Michigan GOP Head Refuses to Leave After Vote for Her Ouster (msn.com)

Stacey Abrams II.

81 million votes. LOL!!!!

Has she claimed Russian collusion, by chance?

Just like Hilary but without the body count.

Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

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I'm sure as heck not going to defend ANTIFA or BLM, but this was not storming the capitol to stop election proceedings on misguided belief of fraud based on Trump's BS.

sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

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I'm sure as heck not going to defend ANTIFA or BLM, but this was not storming the capitol to stop election proceedings on misguided belief of fraud based on Trump's BS.

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Incorrect. They did storm the capitol but they were stopped rather than let in. It was also based on Hillary's Russian Collusion BS, not Trump's campaign. Republicans demonstrated and toured the Capitol for all of 3 hours, democrats rioted all across the US, assaulted republicans and police and spent four years claiming Russia stole the election for Trump on Trump's Inauguration Day.

Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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They are different. Clinton asked electors to be disloyal and overturn election results as well as used Russian disinformation to launch a $40M investigation that consumed time and resources to undermine the functioning of government.

Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

---

I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

---

Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

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I'm sure as heck not going to defend ANTIFA or BLM, but this was not storming the capitol to stop election proceedings on misguided belief of fraud based on Trump's BS.

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Incorrect. They did storm the capitol but they were stopped rather than let in. It was also based on Hillary's Russian Collusion BS, not Trump's campaign. Republicans demonstrated and toured the Capitol for all of 3 hours, democrats rioted all across the US, assaulted republicans and police and spent four years claiming Russia stole the election for Trump.

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Evidence?

And they tried to stop election proceedings?

Yes, many of the J6 protesters were peaceful, but many were not and were not "let in." Rather, they assaulted police officers and forced their way in.

sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

---

I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

---

Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

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I'm sure as heck not going to defend ANTIFA or BLM, but this was not storming the capitol to stop election proceedings on misguided belief of fraud based on Trump's BS.

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LOL

The summer of love resulted in more deaths, more destruction, more chaos over a longer period of time. So, yeah, it was not the same as a bunch of rowdy tourists delaying an official proceeding for a few short hours.

Trump was an idiot for having his rally there. He was stupid enough to walk right into a trap set up by the establishment, and establishment (funded by extreme leftists) that for 4 years, threw as much BS (Steele Dossier says hi) at the wall regarding Trump, just to see if they could get something to stick.

Trump doesn't deserve a vote in the primary, just for being stupid enough to play right into their hands.

If liberals want to Trump to go away, they would've been better off just ignoring him, never bringing up his name, not raiding his house, not file stupid lawsuits or try to keep his name off the ballot. All the democrats are doing is turning him into a martyr.

The DNC should abandon Biden and throw their support behind RFK Jr., but I guess he's not extreme enough for the radical tiktok and twitter 21st century liberal.

The whole MAGA Republican Trump is a threat to mankind cackle coming for the Biden camp and left wing social warriors might play well with their "Vote Blue No Matter Who" brainwashed base, but that's about it.

I voted for George W. in 2000
Libertarian in 2004
Libertarian in 2008
Libertarian in 2012
Trump brought me back to the GOP in 2016
Trump in 2020

I will NOT be voting for Trump in the primary, but I will be voting for him in the general should he be the GOP nominee. If they democrats had dumped Biden for RFK Jr., then that's who I would be voting for in 2024 (if it was Trump vs. RFK Jr).

If it was a DeSantis vs. Biden or RFK Jr., then I'd be voting for DeSantis in the general.

And if it's Trump v Biden in the general, I'll voting for the big bad orange boogey man.

Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

Whiskey Pete said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

---

I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

---

And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

---

I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

---

Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

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I'm sure as heck not going to defend ANTIFA or BLM, but this was not storming the capitol to stop election proceedings on misguided belief of fraud based on Trump's BS.

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Incorrect. They did storm the capitol but they were stopped rather than let in. It was also based on Hillary's Russian Collusion BS, not Trump's campaign. Republicans demonstrated and toured the Capitol for all of 3 hours, democrats rioted all across the US, assaulted republicans and police and spent four years claiming Russia stole the election for Trump.

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Evidence?

And they tried to stop election proceedings?

Yes, many of the J6 protesters were peaceful, but many were not and were not "let in." Rather, they assaulted police officers and forced their way in.

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I remember when angry crowds stormed Capitol Hill during the Kavanaugh confirmation. But I guess official confirmation proceedings are different than official election proceedings.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

---

I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

---

And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

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You may be right. I'd have to go back and watch her speech the next day. But you may be right, she may not have conceded in that speech.

Whiskey Pete said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

---

I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

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I'm sure as heck not going to defend ANTIFA or BLM, but this was not storming the capitol to stop election proceedings on misguided belief of fraud based on Trump's BS.

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LOL

The summer of love resulted in more deaths, more destruction, more chaos over a longer period of time. So, yeah, it was not the same as a bunch of rowdy tourists delaying an official proceeding for a few short hours.

Trump was an idiot for having his rally there. He was stupid enough to walk right into a trap set up by the establishment, and establishment (funded by extreme leftists) that for 4 years, threw as much BS (Steele Dossier says hi) at the wall regarding Trump, just to see if they could get something to stick.

Trump doesn't deserve a vote in the primary, just for being stupid enough to play right into their hands.

If liberals want to Trump to go away, they would've been better off just ignoring him, never bringing up his name, not raiding his house, not file stupid lawsuits or try to keep his name off the ballot. All the democrats are doing is turning him into a martyr.

The DNC should abandon Biden and throw their support behind RFK Jr., but I guess he's not extreme enough for the radical tiktok and twitter 21st century liberal.

The whole MAGA Republican Trump is a threat to mankind cackle coming for the Biden camp and left wing social warriors might play well with their "Vote Blue No Matter Who" brainwashed base, but that's about it.

I voted for George W. in 2000
Libertarian in 2004
Libertarian in 2008
Libertarian in 2012
Trump brought me back to the GOP in 2016
Trump in 2020

I will NOT be voting for Trump in the primary, but I will be voting for him in the general should he be the GOP nominee. If they democrats had dumped Biden for RFK Jr., then that's who I would be voting for in 2024 (if it was Trump vs. RFK Jr).

If it was a DeSantis vs. Biden or RFK Jr., then I'd be voting for DeSantis in the general.

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The emotional, overwrought hysterics about January 6 only lands with the extreme LWNJ crowd as well as the Orwellian rhetoric around THREAT TO DEMOCRACY and ULTRAMAGATRON FASCIST. No one with a brain believes that.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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sombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

---

I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

---

Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

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I'm sure as heck not going to defend ANTIFA or BLM, but this was not storming the capitol to stop election proceedings on misguided belief of fraud based on Trump's BS.

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LOL

The summer of love resulted in more deaths, more destruction, more chaos over a longer period of time. So, yeah, it was not the same as a bunch of rowdy tourists delaying an official proceeding for a few short hours.

Trump was an idiot for having his rally there. He was stupid enough to walk right into a trap set up by the establishment, and establishment (funded by extreme leftists) that for 4 years, threw as much BS (Steele Dossier says hi) at the wall regarding Trump, just to see if they could get something to stick.

Trump doesn't deserve a vote in the primary, just for being stupid enough to play right into their hands.

If liberals want to Trump to go away, they would've been better off just ignoring him, never bringing up his name, not raiding his house, not file stupid lawsuits or try to keep his name off the ballot. All the democrats are doing is turning him into a martyr.

The DNC should abandon Biden and throw their support behind RFK Jr., but I guess he's not extreme enough for the radical tiktok and twitter 21st century liberal.

The whole MAGA Republican Trump is a threat to mankind cackle coming for the Biden camp and left wing social warriors might play well with their "Vote Blue No Matter Who" brainwashed base, but that's about it.

I voted for George W. in 2000
Libertarian in 2004
Libertarian in 2008
Libertarian in 2012
Trump brought me back to the GOP in 2016
Trump in 2020

I will NOT be voting for Trump in the primary, but I will be voting for him in the general should he be the GOP nominee. If they democrats had dumped Biden for RFK Jr., then that's who I would be voting for in 2024 (if it was Trump vs. RFK Jr).

If it was a DeSantis vs. Biden or RFK Jr., then I'd be voting for DeSantis in the general.

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The emotional, overwrought hysterics about January 6 only lands with the extreme LWNJ crowd as well as the Orwellian rhetoric around THREAT TO DEMOCRACY and ULTRAMAGATRON FASCIST. No one with a brain believes that.

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Yep, completely agree. And you know, I think most of them know deep down, is nothing more than hysterics, but 1) They can't help themselves and 2) They think they can convince people that it was worse than 9/11

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

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My mistake, she conceded the next morning.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-231118

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"Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country," Clinton said later Wednesday in her concession. "I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for, and I'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country."

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Trump has never conceded.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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They are different. Clinton asked electors to be disloyal and overturn election results as well as used Russian disinformation to launch a $40M investigation that consumed time and resources to undermine the functioning of government.

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She did this when?

Bestweekeverr said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

---

And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

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My mistake, she conceded the next morning.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-231118

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"Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country," Clinton said later Wednesday in her concession. "I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for, and I'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country."

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Trump has never conceded.

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So what? Hillary instigated nation-wide riots, including at the Capitol, on Trump's Inauguration Day through her rhetoric. Did she ever back down from such accusations and claims? No. But sure, she conceded the next day so we can ignore the violence she instigated at the capitol and elsewhere.

Whiskey Pete said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

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You may be right. I'd have to go back and watch her speech the next day. But you may be right, she may not have conceded in that speech.

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Even if she "conceded" she spent the next 4 years saying he was an illegitimate president, so she didn't really concede.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

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You may be right. I'd have to go back and watch her speech the next day. But you may be right, she may not have conceded in that speech.

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Even if she "conceded" she spent the next 4 years saying he was an illegitimate president, so she didn't really concede.

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Sure, but she assured a peaceful transfer of power immediately following the election. That's what I care about. I don't agree with her saying that, but her being a private citizen years later I don't care.

Trump, as sitting president, undermined the peaceful transfer of power and tried to unilaterally overturn the results of the election outside of the courts. Doesn't get more authoritative than that.

Wangchung said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

---

And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

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My mistake, she conceded the next morning.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-231118

Quote:

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"Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country," Clinton said later Wednesday in her concession. "I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for, and I'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country."

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Trump has never conceded.

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So what? Hillary instigated nation-wide riots, including at the Capitol, on Trump's Inauguration Day through her rhetoric. Did she ever back down from such accusations and claims? No. But sure, she conceded the next day so we can ignore the violence she instigated at the capitol and elsewhere.

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So what?? It doesn't bother you that the sitting President refused to concede his lost election? It doesn't bother you that he lead over a hundred thousand people to the building where our, if not the world's, most important election was being certified, and sat around drinking a diet coke for hours before doing anything to try to stop his supporters from storming said building?

The mental gymnastics you have to do to be okay with that is crazy.

Bestweekeverr said:

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Wangchung said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Whiskey Pete said:

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Bestweekeverr said:

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sombear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

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My mistake, she conceded the next morning.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-231118

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"Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country," Clinton said later Wednesday in her concession. "I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for, and I'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country."

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Trump has never conceded.

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So what? Hillary instigated nation-wide riots, including at the Capitol, on Trump's Inauguration Day through her rhetoric. Did she ever back down from such accusations and claims? No. But sure, she conceded the next day so we can ignore the violence she instigated at the capitol and elsewhere.

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So what?? It doesn't bother you that the sitting President refused to concede his lost election? It doesn't bother you that he lead over a hundred thousand people to the building where our, if not the world's, most important election was being certified, and sat around drinking a diet coke for hours before doing anything to try to stop his supporters from storming said building?

The mental gymnastics you have to do to be okay with that is crazy.

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None of that bothers me because it's all fantasy. Trump told those people to demonstrate peacefully. Trump tried to put out tweets calling for peace but was censored by Twitter. Trump didn't lead anyone anywhere. 100,000? Hilarious. There were a couple thousand at the capitol building after the speech. So, no, your fantasy requires zero mental gymnastics to justify ignoring.

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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They are different. Clinton asked electors to be disloyal and overturn election results as well as used Russian disinformation to launch a $40M investigation that consumed time and resources to undermine the functioning of government.

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Some Hillary supporters asked Electors to be disloyal. She did not. For that matter, a Trump Elector asked other Trump Electors to be disloyal following the 2016 election.

Can you explain to us how an out-of-work Hillary launched an investigation of any kind?

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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And Clinton did not ask Joe Biden to not certify the election results, did not say that she won the election before the votes were finished being counted, conceded on the night of the election, and did not create a set of fake electors.

Clinton is a horrible politician and human being, but the situations are not the same.

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Actually she didn't concede on election night. She then proceeded to call Trump an illegitimate president for his entire term.

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I do not believe she ever has conceded. She still claims the 2016 election was stolen.

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My mistake, she conceded the next morning.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/clinton-concedes-to-trump-we-owe-him-an-open-mind-231118

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"Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country," Clinton said later Wednesday in her concession. "I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for, and I'm sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country."

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Trump has never conceded.

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So what? Hillary instigated nation-wide riots, including at the Capitol, on Trump's Inauguration Day through her rhetoric. Did she ever back down from such accusations and claims? No. But sure, she conceded the next day so we can ignore the violence she instigated at the capitol and elsewhere.

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So what?? It doesn't bother you that the sitting President refused to concede his lost election? It doesn't bother you that he lead over a hundred thousand people to the building where our, if not the world's, most important election was being certified, and sat around drinking a diet coke for hours before doing anything to try to stop his supporters from storming said building?

The mental gymnastics you have to do to be okay with that is crazy.

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Part of the problem is when people actually believe Trump instituted a "Muslim ban," created "kids in cages," and praised the Klan in Charlotteville, we just do not really believe you (not you literally).

Democrats still claim the 2016 election was stolen and were saying the 2020 election could be stolen and questioned the possible results before the election.

And the Clinton campaign asked electors to be faithless and vote for her in 2016.

And Clinton supporters attacked the Capitol and White House, burned a historic church next door, and attacked myriad other state, federal and private properties in 2020.

Trump's behavior after the 2020 election was abhorrent, immature, and foolish like much of what he does. But acting like it was an INSURRECTION or THREAT TO DEMOCRACY is silly. And as noted, Trump did not tell anyone to go into the Capitol. And yes, there is enough smoke around the situation to wonder if it was catalyzed by the government much like the Michigan entrapment case ... I am not saying it was but taken together Pelosi not ordering more protection, the 200 or so agents in the crowd, the Capitol Police opening the doors for people. It sounds crazy at first but in the context of the coordinated, irrational "Get Trump" effort it seems as plausible as using legal fiction to undermine voters' ability to vote for him.

What did Democrats refuse to release the footage? Why did they put on a Hollywood-produced, hyper-partisan Stalinist show trial and delete all the records?

What you read is not defense of Trump or the rioters but a reaction against the disinformation. Democrats can never run on their ideas or results so every election cycle create emotional hysteria and chaos to scare voteres into voting for them.

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Curious ... how are the prosecutions against Clinton and Abrams for being insurrectionists and THREATS TO DEMOCRACY? Have either been convicted yet?

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I despise both of them, as in there are few people I despise more. But neither's supporters stormed the Capitol, and neither pursued numerous frivolous legal and electoral actions.

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Yes, they did that exact thing and worse all across the country.

Even CNN reported on the nationwide democrat violence.


Inauguration protests: Police injured, more than 200 arrested

https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

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I'm sure as heck not going to defend ANTIFA or BLM, but this was not storming the capitol to stop election proceedings on misguided belief of fraud based on Trump's BS.

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LOL

The summer of love resulted in more deaths, more destruction, more chaos over a longer period of time. So, yeah, it was not the same as a bunch of rowdy tourists delaying an official proceeding for a few short hours.

Trump was an idiot for having his rally there. He was stupid enough to walk right into a trap set up by the establishment, and establishment (funded by extreme leftists) that for 4 years, threw as much BS (Steele Dossier says hi) at the wall regarding Trump, just to see if they could get something to stick.

Trump doesn't deserve a vote in the primary, just for being stupid enough to play right into their hands.

If liberals want to Trump to go away, they would've been better off just ignoring him, never bringing up his name, not raiding his house, not file stupid lawsuits or try to keep his name off the ballot. All the democrats are doing is turning him into a martyr.

The DNC should abandon Biden and throw their support behind RFK Jr., but I guess he's not extreme enough for the radical tiktok and twitter 21st century liberal.

The whole MAGA Republican Trump is a threat to mankind cackle coming for the Biden camp and left wing social warriors might play well with their "Vote Blue No Matter Who" brainwashed base, but that's about it.

I voted for George W. in 2000
Libertarian in 2004
Libertarian in 2008
Libertarian in 2012
Trump brought me back to the GOP in 2016
Trump in 2020

I will NOT be voting for Trump in the primary, but I will be voting for him in the general should he be the GOP nominee. If they democrats had dumped Biden for RFK Jr., then that's who I would be voting for in 2024 (if it was Trump vs. RFK Jr).

If it was a DeSantis vs. Biden or RFK Jr., then I'd be voting for DeSantis in the general.

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The emotional, overwrought hysterics about January 6 only lands with the extreme LWNJ crowd as well as the Orwellian rhetoric around THREAT TO DEMOCRACY and ULTRAMAGATRON FASCIST. No one with a brain believes that.

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I agree. The problem is there are a ton of brainless voters out there and their numbers are growing.

“One word: VINDICATED.”

Joseph Rossi details how both the hand count audit and the certified machine recount in Fulton County have been found to be in violation of Georgia election law.

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— Liz Harrington (@realLizUSA) May 7, 2024