Yes that Black Rock.

BR announced that the Shooter appeared in an ad for them along with a few other students, students were not paid.

Interesting tidbit that will fuel the "inside job" beliefs.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/blackrock-says-suspect-trump-rally-appeared-2022-ad-2024-07-15/#:~:text=Thomas%20Crooks%2C%20the%20suspect%20in%20Saturday%27s%20attempted%20assassination,advertisement%20for%20BlackRock%2C%20the%20company%20said%20on%20Sunday.

Why is Blackrock running an advertisement featuring a teacher from that school?

Why was the shooter selected to be one of the students in the background?

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, others are coincidence theorists.

Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

That is a different thread.

Here we're just noting that Blackrock, one of the most connected and powerful organizations on the planet, had contact, perhaps trivial, with the shooter back in HS. Just strange really. But that seems to be the case with many of the facts here.

I'm sure its nothing and not anything strange at all...

Redbrickbear said:

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I'm sure its nothing and not anything strange at all...

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Exactly

Totally inconsequential.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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That is a different thread.

Here we're just noting that Blackrock, one of the most connected and powerful organizations on the planet, had contact, perhaps trivial, with the shooter back in HS. Just strange really. But that seems to be the case with many of the facts here.

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Would Blackrock, with their resources and labor pool bungle it? Or choose that kid?

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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That is a different thread.

Here we're just noting that Blackrock, one of the most connected and powerful organizations on the planet, had contact, perhaps trivial, with the shooter back in HS. Just strange really. But that seems to be the case with many of the facts here.

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Would Blackrock, with their resources and labor pool bungle it? Or choose that kid?

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Most assuredly Blackrock has the people who can do this. So it's a fair point. I guess it depends on your beliefs about how regular people (the lone gunman) get conditioned and then setup to commit crimes for government or corporations. Maybe that is only in the movies though? Maybe there's benefits to having a regular Joe, a young man, be the killing agent. I don't know, but one thing is certain, you don't believe the shooter conspired with anyone. Which reinforces that point. As for "bungled" it, that really seems like a stretch, since just seconds before the shot he was confronted by a cop and had to get shots off rather rapidly.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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That is a different thread.

Here we're just noting that Blackrock, one of the most connected and powerful organizations on the planet, had contact, perhaps trivial, with the shooter back in HS. Just strange really. But that seems to be the case with many of the facts here.

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Would Blackrock, with their resources and labor pool bungle it? Or choose that kid?

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Most assuredly Blackrock has the people who can do this. So it's a fair point. I guess it depends on your beliefs about how regular people get conditioned and then setup to commit crimes for government or corporations. Maybe that is only in the movies though?

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This was no set up, the guy was on the roof, pointed an AR at police and was taken out by a SS Sniper. He was there and did it based on the bullet trajectory.

Now, if we want to talk about how people like that get radicalized I think that is a good conversation. So far this no evidence there was another shooter, he bought ammo right before and experts say it is a shot that a Basic Training Recruit should be able to make. All that points to a novice. How was he radicalized to the point of taking a shot at a Presidential Nominee with SS on the premises from a roof in a prone position. You are not walking away from that.

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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That is a different thread.

Here we're just noting that Blackrock, one of the most connected and powerful organizations on the planet, had contact, perhaps trivial, with the shooter back in HS. Just strange really. But that seems to be the case with many of the facts here.

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Would Blackrock, with their resources and labor pool bungle it? Or choose that kid?

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Most assuredly Blackrock has the people who can do this. So it's a fair point. I guess it depends on your beliefs about how regular people get conditioned and then setup to commit crimes for government or corporations. Maybe that is only in the movies though?

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This was no set up, the guy was on the roof, pointed an AR at police and was taken out by a SS Sniper. He was there and did it based on the bullet trajectory.

Now, if we want to talk about how people like that get radicalized I think that is a good conversation. So far this no evidence there was another shooter, he bought ammo right before and experts say it is a shot that a Basic Training Recruit should be able to make. All that points to a novice. How was he radicalized to the point of taking a shot at a Presidential Nominee with SS on the premises from a roof in a prone position. You are not walking away from that.

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Yes, no one is saying it's fake, talking about how and why radicalized and why an agency would go that route vs using professionals.

KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

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As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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That is a different thread.

Here we're just noting that Blackrock, one of the most connected and powerful organizations on the planet, had contact, perhaps trivial, with the shooter back in HS. Just strange really. But that seems to be the case with many of the facts here.

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Would Blackrock, with their resources and labor pool bungle it? Or choose that kid?

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Most assuredly Blackrock has the people who can do this. So it's a fair point. I guess it depends on your beliefs about how regular people get conditioned and then setup to commit crimes for government or corporations. Maybe that is only in the movies though?

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This was no set up, the guy was on the roof, pointed an AR at police and was taken out by a SS Sniper. He was there and did it based on the bullet trajectory.

Now, if we want to talk about how people like that get radicalized I think that is a good conversation. So far this no evidence there was another shooter, he bought ammo right before and experts say it is a shot that a Basic Training Recruit should be able to make. All that points to a novice. How was he radicalized to the point of taking a shot at a Presidential Nominee with SS on the premises from a roof in a prone position. You are not walking away from that.

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Yes, no one is saying it's fake, talking about how and why radicalized and why an agency would go that route vs using professionals.

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I think that is an outstanding topic.

KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

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It was the lady in the black hat

boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

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As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Yes, who looked at that and said it was not in the perimeter? The interviews with former SS said the perimeter is set by the site specifics, not a set number. Was it a DEI person that didn't know the fundamentals and followed some checklist? Did they go cheap and try to limit Fed Agent usage?

boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

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It is weird.

Blackrock manages teacher pension funds. That's the commercial purpose. How that guy ends up in the video seems odd since it appears to be a 2022 commercial and he'd graduated.

KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

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It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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That is a different thread.

Here we're just noting that Blackrock, one of the most connected and powerful organizations on the planet, had contact, perhaps trivial, with the shooter back in HS. Just strange really. But that seems to be the case with many of the facts here.

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Would Blackrock, with their resources and labor pool bungle it? Or choose that kid?

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Most assuredly Blackrock has the people who can do this. So it's a fair point. I guess it depends on your beliefs about how regular people get conditioned and then setup to commit crimes for government or corporations. Maybe that is only in the movies though?

---

This was no set up, the guy was on the roof, pointed an AR at police and was taken out by a SS Sniper. He was there and did it based on the bullet trajectory.

Now, if we want to talk about how people like that get radicalized I think that is a good conversation. So far this no evidence there was another shooter, he bought ammo right before and experts say it is a shot that a Basic Training Recruit should be able to make. All that points to a novice. How was he radicalized to the point of taking a shot at a Presidential Nominee with SS on the premises from a roof in a prone position. You are not walking away from that.

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Yes, no one is saying it's fake, talking about how and why radicalized and why an agency would go that route vs using professionals.

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I think that is an outstanding topic.

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Should have been clearer, no one in this thread is saying that he wasn't the shooter, sounds like we all agree that he was the shooter, or at least a shooter.
We're just pondering the coincidence that Blackrock had him in a commercial, and such.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

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It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

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Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

And such information is not available to the general public.


The shooter had advanced intel.

KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

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It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

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Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

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A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

---

It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

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Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

---

A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

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He had no way to know where the ss parameter ended.

He had no way to predict that no one would stop a civilian walking around with a rifle in plain sight within 130 yards of an ex president of the United States.

At 130 yards he did not need to be a sharpshooter.


Antifa

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

---

Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

---

It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

---

Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

---

A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

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Beginning to get on this train ATL. I dont think he was any kind of sharpshooter at all. Also thinking in his mind, he just wanted to make a name for himself, not thinking about the longterm (or shorterm as in this case) of what he was doing. He had been a nobody his whole life and instead of working hard to become somebody, he decided to take a shortcut

KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

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It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

---

Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

---

A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

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He had no way to know where the as parameter ended.

He had no way to predict that no one would stop a civilian walking around with a rifle in plain sight within 130 yards of an ex president of the United States.


Antifa

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John Hinkley walked up to Reagan and nearly killed him and James Brady. If anything we've learned we under protect candidates, and the ability to get close at a venue in a state where you can open carry presents unique challenges. But lone wolf crazies are the hardest scenarios.

As far as Antifa I could believe they had a role in radicalization or maybe his Antifa circle helped him gather information, which would be an interesting twist.

ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

---

Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

---

It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

---

Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

---

A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

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He had no way to know where the as parameter ended.

He had no way to predict that no one would stop a civilian walking around with a rifle in plain sight within 130 yards of an ex president of the United States.


Antifa

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As far as Antifa I could believe they had a role in radicalization or maybe his Antifa circle helped him gather information, which would be an interesting twist.

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A concealed pistol vs a rifle with a scope ?

And I don't recall Dems repeatedly calling for Reagan's elimination or talk of putting a bullseye on him.

Totally different sets of circumstances.

This 20 year old had help. In time the details will come out . Especially if Trump lives to become president.

KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

---

Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

---

It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

---

Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

---

A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

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He had no way to know where the as parameter ended.

He had no way to predict that no one would stop a civilian walking around with a rifle in plain sight within 130 yards of an ex president of the United States.


Antifa

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As far as Antifa I could believe they had a role in radicalization or maybe his Antifa circle helped him gather information, which would be an interesting twist.

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A concealed pistol vs a rifle with a scope ?

And I don't recall Dems repeatedly calling for Reagan's elimination or talk of putting a bullseye on him.

Totally different sets of circumstances.

This 20 year old had help. In time the details will come out . Especially if Trump lives to become president.

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Has it been confirmed that he had a scope? Not sure I've seen that. I dont think his father mentioned it either. That would explain "spraying" if he didnt. 130 yards without a scope would have been a lot harder

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

---

As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

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It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

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Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

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A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

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He had no way to know where the as parameter ended.

He had no way to predict that no one would stop a civilian walking around with a rifle in plain sight within 130 yards of an ex president of the United States.


Antifa

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As far as Antifa I could believe they had a role in radicalization or maybe his Antifa circle helped him gather information, which would be an interesting twist.

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A concealed pistol vs a rifle with a scope ?

And I don't recall Dems repeatedly calling for Reagan's elimination or talk of putting a bullseye on him.

Totally different sets of circumstances.

This 20 year old had help. In time the details will come out . Especially if Trump lives to become president.

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Has it been confirmed that he had a scope? Not sure I've seen that. I dont think his father mentioned it either. That would explain "spraying" if he didnt. 130 yards without a scope would have been a lot harder

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I believe he felt rushed. There's no doubt that a police officer confronted/interrupted him seconds before the shot. Not easy repositioning, aiming, and making that same shot within a few seconds knowing that a cop is going to be coming right back up with pistol drawn or your head is about to be removed by a sniper.

I actually don't know why it matters if he was an expert shot or not. But someone missing in these circumstances certainly cannot prove whether he was an expert or not.

Regardless, he clearly was capable of making the shot since he got so close in a rushed situation.

Trump moves his head at the last minute ... otherwise we have a political assassination.

He didn't miss. It just so happened that Trump turned his head at the moment the bullet arrived.

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

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He was provided inside information and assistance.

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As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

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It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

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Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

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A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

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He had no way to know where the as parameter ended.

He had no way to predict that no one would stop a civilian walking around with a rifle in plain sight within 130 yards of an ex president of the United States.


Antifa

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As far as Antifa I could believe they had a role in radicalization or maybe his Antifa circle helped him gather information, which would be an interesting twist.

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A concealed pistol vs a rifle with a scope ?

And I don't recall Dems repeatedly calling for Reagan's elimination or talk of putting a bullseye on him.

Totally different sets of circumstances.

This 20 year old had help. In time the details will come out . Especially if Trump lives to become president.

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Has it been confirmed that he had a scope? Not sure I've seen that. I dont think his father mentioned it either. That would explain "spraying" if he didnt. 130 yards without a scope would have been a lot harder

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I thought he was using iron sights. I didn't hear about a scope anywhere.

He had to know he was not getting out alive, which was is why I lean on the radicalization theory. This was a suicide run, there was no way out from where he was and no cover. They said he literally bought ammo on the way, that is not well thought out. Probably why it worked, he just went and did it.

FLBear5630 said:

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Assassin said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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KaiBear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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boognish_bear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Irrelevant.

Focus on the obvious question.

How did this loser get the intel to easily penetrate Trumps security parameter ?

How did this nobody determine and acquire the perfect snipers perch only 130 yards from the Republican Party nominee for president ?

There are only 2 possibilities.

Either he simply 'lucked out ' and stumbled through security with a RIFLE.

Or


He was provided inside information and assistance.

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As to your first question....the SS is saying that building where he was perched was outside of the jurisdiction of their perimeter. So he would not have had any security to penetrate to get to that spot.

Now that brings up the question....how is an ideal shooting perch that close to the stage not part of their perimeter to begin with.

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Have not read or heard from any source that a roof top only 130 yards from the stage was outside of secret service parameters.

If so someone is a complete idiot as a 130 yard shot is not difficult whatsoever.

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It's out there. This is where limited SS resources and relying on local law enforcement allows a lone wolf rando to get where he was. A more sophisticated op would have ended with a deceased Trump. While tragedy happened, we're lucky it was amateur hour with the assailant.

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Then you believe this lone wolf just got lucky .

I don't .

He had to know ahead of time where the ss parameter ended and which building provided a clear shot .

---

A man was killed by an inexperienced shooter spraying bullets. The only "luck" was it wasn't worse. The fact the SS, and the local Andy Griffith and Barney Fife couldn't get on the same page is a massive failure that created opportunity.

Advanced Intel for this was probably Google Earth, the local fish rag, and a few drive-bys.

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He had no way to know where the as parameter ended.

He had no way to predict that no one would stop a civilian walking around with a rifle in plain sight within 130 yards of an ex president of the United States.


Antifa

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As far as Antifa I could believe they had a role in radicalization or maybe his Antifa circle helped him gather information, which would be an interesting twist.

---

A concealed pistol vs a rifle with a scope ?

And I don't recall Dems repeatedly calling for Reagan's elimination or talk of putting a bullseye on him.

Totally different sets of circumstances.

This 20 year old had help. In time the details will come out . Especially if Trump lives to become president.

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Has it been confirmed that he had a scope? Not sure I've seen that. I dont think his father mentioned it either. That would explain "spraying" if he didnt. 130 yards without a scope would have been a lot harder

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I thought he was using iron sights. I didn't hear about a scope anywhere.

He had to know he was not getting out alive, which was is why I lean on the radicalization theory. This was a suicide run, there was no way out from where he was and no cover. They said he literally bought ammo on the way, that is not well thought out. Probably why it worked, he just went and did it.

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I'm with you on the radicalization. Could be just run of the mill social media or msm radicalization. Of course I won't rule out targeted radicalization at this point.

Regarding picking up the ammo on the way - that seems not thought out at all or very much thought out. Funny how that works depending on which angle you're coming at it. Real challenge is that the SS clearly failed on the exact day he was coming, he knew exactly where to go, was discovered with gun but ignored until he got 5 shots off. Just a really interesting scenario. I actually have no clue what the heck happened here. He won the lottery that day so to speak.

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That is a different thread.

Here we're just noting that Blackrock, one of the most connected and powerful organizations on the planet, had contact, perhaps trivial, with the shooter back in HS. Just strange really. But that seems to be the case with many of the facts here.

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Why would they pick a kid that they have on one of their commercials as their assassin?

A kid with basically no experience. Wouldn't they use a trained sniper?

Surely if one of the most 'connected and powerful organizations on the planet' as you say would be smarter and better than that.