KaiBear said:
Go back to the 1960's and the obvious answer is LBJ.
Opinions. That's what you got. There are actual facts out there, statistics, bills, funding, acts, etc that Trump delivered on. Name facts that other recent people, presidents, politicians have done and compare them to Trump's delivery.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I gave factual evidence of the opinions others had. Of course you reject anyone that disagree with you. Show me some of your published work.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/31/trump-nabj-black-journalists-chicago
3 article from an event 3 days ago from the Guardian expresses how some consider Trump. Of course they are all blacks so they disagree with you.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:KaiBear said:
Go back to the 1960's and the obvious answer is LBJ.
Wow, seriously? So what. I mean nobody is asking about who did more in history.
I picked 10 presidential terms, 40 years, because it seems like a pretty generous time frame to me. Who do you got that did more?
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Fact
The US Department of Justice under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Fact
The US Department of Justice under the Nixon administration, out of all administrations sued the Trump Management Corporation for violating the Fair Housing Act. Federal officials found evidence that Trump had refused to rent to Black tenants and lied to Black applicants about whether apartments were available, among other accusations. Trump said the federal government was trying to get him to rent to welfare recipients. In the aftermath, he signed an agreement in 1975 agreeing not to discriminate to renters of color without admitting to previous discrimination.
Why is this so hard for some? It's not what you say or I say. It's facts, list what Reagan did for the communities and compare them to Trump. Trump has a laundry list of stats, funding, acts, policies that fall under his administration's accomplishments.KaiBear said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:KaiBear said:
Go back to the 1960's and the obvious answer is LBJ.
Wow, seriously? So what. I mean nobody is asking about who did more in history.
I picked 10 presidential terms, 40 years, because it seems like a pretty generous time frame to me. Who do you got that did more?
Ronald Reagan also did more for blacks…..and Americans in general than Trump. Of course he misses your cut line by four years.
Dems will say Barrack Hussein Obama did more for blacks. Although I would disagree with that.
Trump has several faults, but to the objective observer, racism is not remotely one of them. Years before Trump committed the cardinal sin of beating Hillary……he was widely know for hiring minorities and women.
Trump did a lot of good for many people his first term. Unfortunately Covid destroyed the momentum of his economic movement.
And since histories are overwhelmingly written by liberals these days…..Trumps legacy will be unjustly tarnished.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Why is this so hard? It's not what you say or I say. It's facts, list what Reagan did for the communities and compare them to Trump. Trump has a laundry list of stats, funding, acts, policies that fall under his administration's accomplishments.KaiBear said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:KaiBear said:
Go back to the 1960's and the obvious answer is LBJ.
Wow, seriously? So what. I mean nobody is asking about who did more in history.
I picked 10 presidential terms, 40 years, because it seems like a pretty generous time frame to me. Who do you got that did more?
Ronald Reagan also did more for blacks…..and Americans in general than Trump. Of course he misses your cut line by four years.
Dems will say Barrack Hussein Obama did more for blacks. Although I would disagree with that.
Trump has several faults, but to the objective observer, racism is not remotely one of them. Years before Trump committed the cardinal sin of beating Hillary……he was widely know for hiring minorities and women.
Trump did a lot of good for many people his first term. Unfortunately Covid destroyed the momentum of his economic movement.
And since histories are overwhelmingly written by liberals these days…..Trumps legacy will be unjustly tarnished.
When people aren't willing to list Trump's documented accomplishments, their opinion doesn't really matter because it means they didn't do any research. I like Reagan, if you think he did more, convince me. I'll listen. If you count amnesty, I won't fault you for it, but I won't agree that it "helped" blacks long term.
fair enough, wasn't really meaning to be combative with you, I was conflating my frustration with IQRedneck type people, while also asking you about Reagan - should have separated the thought streams out. I like Reagan, and wanted to hear why you think him a match for Trump.KaiBear said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:Why is this so hard? It's not what you say or I say. It's facts, list what Reagan did for the communities and compare them to Trump. Trump has a laundry list of stats, funding, acts, policies that fall under his administration's accomplishments.KaiBear said:TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:KaiBear said:
Go back to the 1960's and the obvious answer is LBJ.
Wow, seriously? So what. I mean nobody is asking about who did more in history.
I picked 10 presidential terms, 40 years, because it seems like a pretty generous time frame to me. Who do you got that did more?
Ronald Reagan also did more for blacks…..and Americans in general than Trump. Of course he misses your cut line by four years.
Dems will say Barrack Hussein Obama did more for blacks. Although I would disagree with that.
Trump has several faults, but to the objective observer, racism is not remotely one of them. Years before Trump committed the cardinal sin of beating Hillary……he was widely know for hiring minorities and women.
Trump did a lot of good for many people his first term. Unfortunately Covid destroyed the momentum of his economic movement.
And since histories are overwhelmingly written by liberals these days…..Trumps legacy will be unjustly tarnished.
When people aren't willing to list Trump's documented accomplishments, their opinion doesn't really matter because it means they didn't do any research. I like Reagan, if you think he did more, convince me. I'll listen. If you count amnesty, I won't fault you for it, but I won't agree that it "helped" blacks long term.
I am not remotely interested in convincing you of anything.
You asked the board a question and I responded.
You don't like my answer.
Oh well.
I was never good at math but…KaiBear said:
Go back to the 1960's and the obvious answer is LBJ.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Walton and Smith (20022020)
Professors Hanes Walton Jr. and Robert Smith in their book American Politics and the African American Quest for Universal Freedom, ranked presidents for their views and actions on the topic of race.[50] Presidents can be ranked twice since "White supremacist" refers only to personal belief; while the other categories incorporate policy actions as well.[50]
Rating of presidential racism[51][page needed]
White supremacist[nb 1] Institutionally racist[nb 2] Institutionally neutral[nb 3] Ambivalent[nb 4] Anti-racist[nb 5]
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson[nb 6]
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
William Harrison
John Tyler
James Polk
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Abraham Lincoln[nb 7]
Andrew Johnson
Grover Cleveland
William McKinley
Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Warren Harding
Harry S. Truman[nb 7]
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Richard Nixon[nb 7]
Donald Trump[nb 8] George Washington
John Adams
Thomas Jefferson[nb 6]
James Madison
James Monroe
John Quincy Adams[nb 9]
Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
William Harrison
John Tyler
James Polk
Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore
Franklin Pierce
James Buchanan
Andrew Johnson
Theodore Roosevelt
Woodrow Wilson
Donald Trump[nb 8]
when you can't form your own opinion, you rely on others. Got it.Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
I gave factual evidence of the opinions others had. Of course you reject anyone that disagree with you. Show me some of your published work.
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/31/trump-nabj-black-journalists-chicago
3 article from an event 3 days ago from the Guardian expresses how some consider Trump. Of course they are all blacks so they disagree with you.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Silly. What facts have you gu en promoting Trump? That's your job not mine.posters have given facts about Reagan LB J and Obama. You have not done anything but complain
Johnny Bear said:
Anything LBJ allegedly "did for the black community" was 100% motivated to cement an easily manipulated perpetual voting block for the dimcrat party. None of it was done out of some benevolent desire to see the black community actually uplifted. And the seemingly never ending problems that disproportionately afflict the black community such as fatherless homes, ongoing generational poverty and government dependence, crime, drugs, etc. can largely be traced back to LBJ's so called "Great Society" that was both a fiscal disaster and a complete failure in its attempt to end or even significantly impact poverty.
To cap it off, in addition to being corrupt, LBJ was himself a demonstrable racist who frequently used the N-word in routine conversation. It's a complete myth that he was any kind of a real friend to the black community and if you believe that you have been totally duped by leftist historic spin.
KaiBear said:Johnny Bear said:
Anything LBJ allegedly "did for the black community" was 100% motivated to cement an easily manipulated perpetual voting block for the dimcrat party. None of it was done out of some benevolent desire to see the black community actually uplifted. And the seemingly never ending problems that disproportionately afflict the black community such as fatherless homes, ongoing generational poverty and government dependence, crime, drugs, etc. can largely be traced back to LBJ's so called "Great Society" that was both a fiscal disaster and a complete failure in its attempt to end or even significantly impact poverty.
To cap it off, in addition to being corrupt, LBJ was himself a demonstrable racist who frequently used the N-word in routine conversation. It's a complete myth that he was any kind of a real friend to the black community and if you believe that you have been totally duped by leftist historic spin.
LBJ wanted to help ALL poor people ….white and black.
Wanted to be remembered as a 'great' President.
Unfortunately for him Vietnam totally destroyed his legacy.
KaiBear said:KaiBear said:Johnny Bear said:
Anything LBJ allegedly "did for the black community" was 100% motivated to cement an easily manipulated perpetual voting block for the dimcrat party. None of it was done out of some benevolent desire to see the black community actually uplifted. And the seemingly never ending problems that disproportionately afflict the black community such as fatherless homes, ongoing generational poverty and government dependence, crime, drugs, etc. can largely be traced back to LBJ's so called "Great Society" that was both a fiscal disaster and a complete failure in its attempt to end or even significantly impact poverty.
To cap it off, in addition to being corrupt, LBJ was himself a demonstrable racist who frequently used the N-word in routine conversation. It's a complete myth that he was any kind of a real friend to the black community and if you believe that you have been totally duped by leftist historic spin.
LBJ wanted to help ALL poor people ….white and black.
Wanted to be remembered as a 'great' President.
Unfortunately for him Vietnam totally destroyed his legacy.
Johnny Bear said:KaiBear said:KaiBear said:Johnny Bear said:
Anything LBJ allegedly "did for the black community" was 100% motivated to cement an easily manipulated perpetual voting block for the dimcrat party. None of it was done out of some benevolent desire to see the black community actually uplifted. And the seemingly never ending problems that disproportionately afflict the black community such as fatherless homes, ongoing generational poverty and government dependence, crime, drugs, etc. can largely be traced back to LBJ's so called "Great Society" that was both a fiscal disaster and a complete failure in its attempt to end or even significantly impact poverty.
To cap it off, in addition to being corrupt, LBJ was himself a demonstrable racist who frequently used the N-word in routine conversation. It's a complete myth that he was any kind of a real friend to the black community and if you believe that you have been totally duped by leftist historic spin.
LBJ wanted to help ALL poor people ….white and black.
Wanted to be remembered as a 'great' President.
Unfortunately for him Vietnam totally destroyed his legacy.
Unfortunately for the country he was one of the worst Presidents of the 20th Century and yes, the Vietnam disaster was a big part of it.
FDR (New Deal) and LBJ (Great Society) strapped America with more debt and cost than any effort in the history of the world.KaiBear said:Johnny Bear said:KaiBear said:KaiBear said:Johnny Bear said:
Anything LBJ allegedly "did for the black community" was 100% motivated to cement an easily manipulated perpetual voting block for the dimcrat party. None of it was done out of some benevolent desire to see the black community actually uplifted. And the seemingly never ending problems that disproportionately afflict the black community such as fatherless homes, ongoing generational poverty and government dependence, crime, drugs, etc. can largely be traced back to LBJ's so called "Great Society" that was both a fiscal disaster and a complete failure in its attempt to end or even significantly impact poverty.
To cap it off, in addition to being corrupt, LBJ was himself a demonstrable racist who frequently used the N-word in routine conversation. It's a complete myth that he was any kind of a real friend to the black community and if you believe that you have been totally duped by leftist historic spin.
LBJ wanted to help ALL poor people ….white and black.
Wanted to be remembered as a 'great' President.
Unfortunately for him Vietnam totally destroyed his legacy.
Unfortunately for the country he was one of the worst Presidents of the 20th Century and yes, the Vietnam disaster was a big part of it.
Yeah the Great Society Legislation did work out at all.
ATL Bear said:FDR (New Deal) and LBJ (Great Society) strapped America with more debt and cost than any effort in the history of the world.KaiBear said:Johnny Bear said:KaiBear said:KaiBear said:Johnny Bear said:
Anything LBJ allegedly "did for the black community" was 100% motivated to cement an easily manipulated perpetual voting block for the dimcrat party. None of it was done out of some benevolent desire to see the black community actually uplifted. And the seemingly never ending problems that disproportionately afflict the black community such as fatherless homes, ongoing generational poverty and government dependence, crime, drugs, etc. can largely be traced back to LBJ's so called "Great Society" that was both a fiscal disaster and a complete failure in its attempt to end or even significantly impact poverty.
To cap it off, in addition to being corrupt, LBJ was himself a demonstrable racist who frequently used the N-word in routine conversation. It's a complete myth that he was any kind of a real friend to the black community and if you believe that you have been totally duped by leftist historic spin.
LBJ wanted to help ALL poor people ….white and black.
Wanted to be remembered as a 'great' President.
Unfortunately for him Vietnam totally destroyed his legacy.
Unfortunately for the country he was one of the worst Presidents of the 20th Century and yes, the Vietnam disaster was a big part of it.
Yeah the Great Society Legislation did work out at all.
