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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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Poverty does play a factor in its continued practice today, its undeniable.

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You again fail to deal with the actual data on the practice as it exists in the world

0.5% in the Western World and 20-60% in the Islamic world

And you use the existence of cousin marriage among the tiny number of the European royalty to try and empty it was a widely accepted Western practice (when no historian would ever agree with you)

You have also not explained why the poor regions of Latin America or the Philippines shun the practice while rich Saudi Arabia embraces it

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I literally answered both your questions. Do you realize Latin America wasn't even modernized until the 17-1800s??

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The pre or post industrial development of Latin America is not relevant to the fact that it was not a widely practiced form of marriage in the region

While it was and is in the Middle East

In fact rich and industrialized parts of the Middle East still practice it more than rural and poor parts of Latin America

You have no answer for why this would be….so you avoid answering it

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You're assuming it doesn't

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Do you have any proof it's happening widely in Latin America today?

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

The closer the consanguinity the greater the problems.

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.


2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?

Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point? So what if in Africa and the Middle East they practice polygamy and intermarriage? In other threads you extol the fact they're some of the few societies staying ahead of population decline. Well, here's one way they do. I'll admit I'm at a loss of the purpose of this conversation at this point, when I originally was only pointing out the fallacy that you think Americans or Europeans were somehow unfamiliar with cousin marriage. It's been part of our culture, even if not as prevalent as others, for centuries.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

---

"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point? So what if in Africa and the Middle East they practice polygamy and intermarriage? In other threads you extol the fact they're some of the few societies staying ahead of population decline. Well, here's one way they do. I'll admit I'm at a loss of the purpose of this conversation at this point, when I originally was only pointing out the fallacy that you think Americans or Europeans were somehow unfamiliar with cousin marriage. It's been part of our culture, even if not as prevalent as others, for centuries.

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You seem strangely interesting in defending a really detrimental practice in the other parts of the world.

While also slinging inaccurate history about cousin marriage in the West (where it has always been a minority practice....I also never said it did not exist in the West....you started off on the wrong foot by making assumptions about my statement)

And I have never "extoled those parts of the world for having large birth rates"....in fact that is not even true on the point of large birth rates.

The MENA (Middle east -north Africa) has a fertility rate of 2.3......that is barely above replacement rete and dropping fast.

Close cousin marriage has absolutely nothing to do with large or small birth rates.....such a strange and inaccurate thing for you to argue

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

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As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

---

1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

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As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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Then change immigration policy, not marriage. That I could agree with. This is veiled ethnic swipes, not problem solving. It's absolutely ironic that this would be changing a law/policy that was established by Henry VIII and has been in place for almost 500 years.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

---

You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

---

And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

---

1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

---

As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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Then change immigration policy, not marriage. That I could agree with. This is veiled ethnic swipes,

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You continue to think that discussing negative social practices in other counties and regions is "ethnic swipes"

That seems to be the reason to rushed into this thread to defend the practice in other parts of the world while inaccurately claiming it was widely practiced in the Western world

Deal with the facts…and accept that some times the truth about other countries will make you feel embarrassed and uneasy

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

---

You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

---

And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

---

"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

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As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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Then change immigration policy, not marriage. That I could agree with. This is veiled ethnic swipes,

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You continue to think that discussing negative social practices in other counties and regions is "ethnic swipes"

That seems to be the reason to rushed into this thread to defend the practice in other parts of the world while inaccurately claiming it was widely practiced in the Western world

Deal with the facts…and accept that some times the truth about other countries will make you feel embarrassed and uneasy

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You actually think I'm embarrassed??? What's embarrassing is the lack of self awareness to recognize this simple fact. Hey UK, we've had a law on the books for nearly 500 years, but we now have too many brown people who practice the same so we need to change it.

Of all the potentially concerning Islamic culture components Muslims could bring to the West, going after cousin marriage looks like xenophobic pettiness.

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I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

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As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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Then change immigration policy, not marriage. That I could agree with. This is veiled ethnic swipes,

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You continue to think that discussing negative social practices in other counties and regions is "ethnic swipes"

That seems to be the reason to rushed into this thread to defend the practice in other parts of the world while inaccurately claiming it was widely practiced in the Western world

Deal with the facts…and accept that some times the truth about other countries will make you feel embarrassed and uneasy

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You actually think I'm embarrassed??? What's embarrassing is the lack of self awareness to recognize this simple fact.

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You are very trigged by the prevenance of cousin marriage in the Muslim world.

So much so that you have felt the need to respond several times with non-factual and non-data back claims trying to pretend its as common in the West and down play it in the Islamic world

Not everyone... everywhere on Earth acts the same.....sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable

And talking about serious problems in other places is not "ethnic swipes"....whatever that means

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

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As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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Then change immigration policy, not marriage. That I could agree with. This is veiled ethnic swipes,

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You continue to think that discussing negative social practices in other counties and regions is "ethnic swipes"

That seems to be the reason to rushed into this thread to defend the practice in other parts of the world while inaccurately claiming it was widely practiced in the Western world

Deal with the facts…and accept that some times the truth about other countries will make you feel embarrassed and uneasy

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You actually think I'm embarrassed??? What's embarrassing is the lack of self awareness to recognize this simple fact.

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You are very trigged by the prevenance of cousin marriage in the Muslim world.

So much so that you have felt the need to respond several times with non-factual and non-data back claims trying to pretend its as common in the West and down play it in the Islamic world

Not everyone... everywhere on Earth acts the same.....sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable

And talking about serious problems in other places is not "ethnic swipes"....whatever that means

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You were the one triggered by the idea that Europeans and Westerners also practiced cousin marriage, and you felt it necessary to go to great lengths to draw out differences. If you think "cousin marriage" is a serious problem when there are so many more serious problems in those regions, I don't know what to say. Deal with the immigration issue, the sharia laws, the treatment of women, other religions, etc.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

---

The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

---

1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

---

As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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Then change immigration policy, not marriage. That I could agree with. This is veiled ethnic swipes,

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You continue to think that discussing negative social practices in other counties and regions is "ethnic swipes"

That seems to be the reason to rushed into this thread to defend the practice in other parts of the world while inaccurately claiming it was widely practiced in the Western world

Deal with the facts…and accept that some times the truth about other countries will make you feel embarrassed and uneasy

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You actually think I'm embarrassed??? What's embarrassing is the lack of self awareness to recognize this simple fact.

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You are very trigged by the prevenance of cousin marriage in the Muslim world.

So much so that you have felt the need to respond several times with non-factual and non-data back claims trying to pretend its as common in the West and down play it in the Islamic world

Not everyone... everywhere on Earth acts the same.....sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable

And talking about serious problems in other places is not "ethnic swipes"....whatever that means

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You were the one triggered by the idea that Europeans and Westerners also practiced cousin marriage,

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Actually I have admitted that from the beginning with no problem

I have simply no let you get away with lying about history or over playing the practice in the West (it was and is a small fraction of the population)

While you continue to try and play games about cousin marriage and inbreeding issues in the Islamic world

You seem determined to mis represent facts and arguments

Why does this issue trigger you so much?

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

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As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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Then change immigration policy, not marriage. That I could agree with. This is veiled ethnic swipes,

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You continue to think that discussing negative social practices in other counties and regions is "ethnic swipes"

That seems to be the reason to rushed into this thread to defend the practice in other parts of the world while inaccurately claiming it was widely practiced in the Western world

Deal with the facts…and accept that some times the truth about other countries will make you feel embarrassed and uneasy

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You actually think I'm embarrassed??? What's embarrassing is the lack of self awareness to recognize this simple fact.

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You are very trigged by the prevenance of cousin marriage in the Muslim world.

So much so that you have felt the need to respond several times with non-factual and non-data back claims trying to pretend its as common in the West and down play it in the Islamic world

Not everyone... everywhere on Earth acts the same.....sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable

And talking about serious problems in other places is not "ethnic swipes"....whatever that means

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You were the one triggered by the idea that Europeans and Westerners also practiced cousin marriage,

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Actually I have admitted that from the beginning with no problem

I have simply no let you get away with lying about history or over playing the practice in the West (it was and is a small fraction of the population)

While you continue to try and play games about cousin marriage and inbreeding issues in the Islamic world

You seem determined to mis represent facts and arguments

Why does this issue trigger you so much?

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You're lost and confused, and repeating it doesn't make it fact.

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I wonder if he understands the medical issues that inbreds have?

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No I doubt he knows that


I also don't think most Western people know how widespread it is across the world.

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Heck, it was a pillar of the pre Industrial Revolution marriage in Europeans worldwide.

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You are wrong about that…

[first cousin marriage was not common in Medieval Europe due to the strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation) established by the Catholic Church, which prohibited marriages between close relatives including first cousins]

[Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity]

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It said cousin marriage, not first cousin marriage. We've even had 2 Presidents that had cousin wives.

FYI, multiple states in the U.S. allow first cousin marriage.

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And what we are talking about is the prevalence of closely related cousin marriage....aka the types of marriage systems that led to low IQ levels and birth defects.

Something that is still common in much of the world and has not been common in the Western world since before the Middle ages. (Adams and Jefferson for instance married 3rd cousins and FDR married a 5th cousin once removed)

[First cousin marriage is common in the Muslim world, with estimates of the practice ranging from 20-60% across countries. In many Arab countries, first cousin marriages account for almost a quarter of all marriages. In Bangladesh, about 10% of people marry a first cousin]

[The prevalence of consanguineous unions varies across different societies, influenced by factors like religion, culture, and geographical location. In Western and European nations, the occurrence of CM is less than 0.5%, while in India, the prevalence stands at 9.9%. On the other hand, consanguinity is particularly prevalent in many Arab nations, with rates ranging from 20 to 50% of all marriages. In these regions, first-cousin marriages are especially common, averaging around 20-30%]


https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10924896/

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The Industrial Revolution not the Middle Ages. Maybe quit making ethnic swipes and own up to Appalachian culture and many others domestically that remain prevalent. It's as much poverty related as culture.

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"Ethnic swipes"….you mean accurate information about other parts of the planet and the behavior of other peoples?

And you were wrong about it being common before the Industrial Revolution in the West

It was not even common in the Middle Ages in the West because of the laws of the Catholic Church (something you were totally uneducated on)

It's laughable to say it's "poverty related"…..it's a practice related to culture and religion.

If poverty was the reason than why is Latin America and South Africa mostly free of the practice? Plenty of poverty there

It's prevalent in places where Christianity is not dominant (or has not yet become multi-generationally dominant)

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The deeply Catholic Hapsburg dynasty (Catholics mind you) had many arranged cousin marriages. There's church rules (which were attempts to box in royal unions for power purposes), and there's what society actually did. Latin countries had significant numbers of consanguious marriages. It's historical fact. Check highly Catholic Spain..

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You keep grasping at the tiny exceptions to the rule…instead of acknowledging the rule that was widely followed

[.. in medieval Spain, which was largely under the influence of the Catholic Church, cousin marriage was not permitted due to the Church's strict rules against consanguinity (blood relation), meaning marriages between close relatives like cousins were forbidden.]

[In Roman Catholic Europe, the canon law of the church forbid marriages within a certain degree of kinship. Which relationships were forbidden to marry varied at different times. While there were some regional disagreements, until the 13th century, the church forbade marriages with consanguinity or affinity (kinship by marriage) to the seventh degreea rule which covered a very large percentage of marriages.

The pope had the power to waive the impediments for particular couples. Frequently, papal dispensations waived the block for royal marriages]

https://www.thoughtco.com/consanguinity-and-medieval-marriages-3529573

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Again, what is your point of bringing this up in the first place?

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Did you even read the thread you are arguing about?

A Muslim politician in the UK is defending 1st cousin marriage

That is what sparked off the discussion

🇬🇧 MP Iqbal Mohamed comes out against a ban on 1st cousin marriages: "30 to 50% of sub-Suharans prefer this marriage. Family intermarriage builds family bonds" pic.twitter.com/t7Uz9vwF0r

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) December 11, 2024

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The person who posted said 1st cousin marriage. The politician only said cousin. That was actually my original point along with, ironically, actual first cousin marriage has come up for debate many times in states here and been defended by plain old white Americans, including here in Georgia.

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1. The point being its 1st and 2nd cousin marriage that is the major problem with inbreeding, low IQ rates, and birth defects

(probably also has effects on wider society by creating a more "clannish type" of social/cultural structure as well)

Its the reason why the map was posted....it is common in the Pakistani community and in parts of Africa....and he might not have said that specific thing but its a big part of the whole "cousin marriage thing" in those parts of the world.

2. I am not aware of any modern Georgia State politicians defending cousin marraige....do you have a link?


Ran the topic through AI to see what it gives us.....

[Cousin marriage is estimated to be 0.2% of marriages in the United States. However, this estimate is from 1981, and experts believe the number has increased in recent decades due to immigration. [4]

Globally, cousin marriage is most common in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and East Asia. Pakistan has the highest rate of cousin marriage in the world, with nearly two-thirds of marriages being between cousins. [4, 5]


Generative AI is experimental.
[1] https://www.allfamilylaw.com/blog/2016/09/can-you-marry-your-cousin-in-georgia/
[2] https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/state/georgia/article287480230.html
[3] https://www.newsweek.com/map-states-marry-cousin-tennessee-ban-1889727
[4] https://theamm.org/articles/1927-kissing-cousins-the-popularity-controversy-of-cousin-marriage
[5] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/padr.12678]

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Why is it relevant now except to draw cultural lines in the sand to criticize? If it's so rare, why do you need a bill? Why are we even debating this at this point?

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As the UK brings in immigrants from places that practice it a lot (like Pakistan with highest rate of cousin marriage in the world).....you get more people engaging in that terrible practice in Britain

Get it?

That is why the bill is being debated in the UK Parliament

I don't know why these facts disturb you and trigger you so much


[Pakistan has one of the highest rates of cousin marriage in the world:

• Prevalence
  In Pakistan, 49.6% of women who have ever been married are first cousins to their husbands, and 8.3% are second cousins. In rural areas, the rate can be as high as 80%]

https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

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Then change immigration policy, not marriage. That I could agree with. This is veiled ethnic swipes,

---

You continue to think that discussing negative social practices in other counties and regions is "ethnic swipes"

That seems to be the reason to rushed into this thread to defend the practice in other parts of the world while inaccurately claiming it was widely practiced in the Western world

Deal with the facts…and accept that some times the truth about other countries will make you feel embarrassed and uneasy

---

You actually think I'm embarrassed??? What's embarrassing is the lack of self awareness to recognize this simple fact.

---

You are very trigged by the prevenance of cousin marriage in the Muslim world.

So much so that you have felt the need to respond several times with non-factual and non-data back claims trying to pretend its as common in the West and down play it in the Islamic world

Not everyone... everywhere on Earth acts the same.....sorry if that makes you feel uncomfortable

And talking about serious problems in other places is not "ethnic swipes"....whatever that means

---

You were the one triggered by the idea that Europeans and Westerners also practiced cousin marriage,

---

Actually I have admitted that from the beginning with no problem

I have simply no let you get away with lying about history or over playing the practice in the West (it was and is a small fraction of the population)

While you continue to try and play games about cousin marriage and inbreeding issues in the Islamic world

You seem determined to mis represent facts and arguments

Why does this issue trigger you so much?

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You're lost and confused, and repeating it doesn't make it fact.

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Gotta go to Christmas service

Be good man and think about re-reading this thread

You could learn a thing if you spent time looking at the facts and data instead of trying to spin narratives

Later!

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