RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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This thread took a turn and it's my fault for not being clearer. I *think* this was about individual debt when I did the OP. People owed more because they couldn't afford as much and went into debt under Biden. Bidenomics was a failure for people. Progressives will only make the rich richer and the poor more subservient.

I'm hopeful that trend is reversed by the Trump economy.

I'm also willing to think that national debt may EVENTUALLY trend better under Trump. Of course, I'm less convinced of that, but cautiously hopeful.

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I have seen no indication in Trump's past that he will cut total spending, he will cut stuff that does not effect him, his cronies or his family.

I can't remember the last decent budget/debt Presidents we have had.

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I'll give you a hint. "I did not have sex with that woman..............Miss Lewinsky!"

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You are not allowed to say that. It was not "the man in the blue dress" that actually left a balanced budget and surplus. If there was anything positive it was Newt... Get with the program...

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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This thread took a turn and it's my fault for not being clearer. I *think* this was about individual debt when I did the OP. People owed more because they couldn't afford as much and went into debt under Biden. Bidenomics was a failure for people. Progressives will only make the rich richer and the poor more subservient.

I'm hopeful that trend is reversed by the Trump economy.

I'm also willing to think that national debt may EVENTUALLY trend better under Trump. Of course, I'm less convinced of that, but cautiously hopeful.

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I have seen no indication in Trump's past that he will cut total spending, he will cut stuff that does not effect him, his cronies or his family.


Biden was just bad.

I can't remember the last decent budget/debt Presidents we have had.

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Spending could remain if revenue is growing. That's supposed to be the plan. Really hope the economy ramps up. We'll see

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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This thread took a turn and it's my fault for not being clearer. I *think* this was about individual debt when I did the OP. People owed more because they couldn't afford as much and went into debt under Biden. Bidenomics was a failure for people. Progressives will only make the rich richer and the poor more subservient.

I'm hopeful that trend is reversed by the Trump economy.

I'm also willing to think that national debt may EVENTUALLY trend better under Trump. Of course, I'm less convinced of that, but cautiously hopeful.

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I have seen no indication in Trump's past that he will cut total spending, he will cut stuff that does not effect him, his cronies or his family.


Biden was just bad.

I can't remember the last decent budget/debt Presidents we have had.

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Spending could remain if revenue is growing. That's supposed to be the plan. Really hope the economy ramps up. We'll see

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We will see.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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This thread took a turn and it's my fault for not being clearer. I *think* this was about individual debt when I did the OP. People owed more because they couldn't afford as much and went into debt under Biden. Bidenomics was a failure for people. Progressives will only make the rich richer and the poor more subservient.

I'm hopeful that trend is reversed by the Trump economy.

I'm also willing to think that national debt may EVENTUALLY trend better under Trump. Of course, I'm less convinced of that, but cautiously hopeful.

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I have seen no indication in Trump's past that he will cut total spending, he will cut stuff that does not effect him, his cronies or his family.

I can't remember the last decent budget/debt Presidents we have had.

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I'll give you a hint. "I did not have sex with that woman..............Miss Lewinsky!"

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You are not allowed to say that. It was not "the man in the blue dress" that actually left a balanced budget and surplus. If there was anything positive it was Newt... Get with the program...

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Yep. Clinton and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich actually reached across the aisle and worked together. That behavior no longer exists in 2025.

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I agree with you there. 100%. We can use some Newt and Tip right now...

BREAKING: 🇺🇸 US national debt reaches new all-time high of $38 trillion. pic.twitter.com/6KzFnwKctH

— Watcher.Guru (@WatcherGuru) October 22, 2025

I understand.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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. Bidenomics was a failure for people. Progressives will only make the rich richer and the poor more subservient.

I'm hopeful that trend is reversed by the Trump economy.

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I'm hopeful of that as well...but I'm afraid early returns seem to suggest we are still seeing the rich get richer without much relief for the average American.

But it's still early in his second term and he had to start from kind of deep in a hole.

I know the stock market was looking good at the tail end of Biden's run...but it seems like more and more the stock market with its heavy reliance on a handful of tech companies has become detached from the actual real economy. I think things were worse than they looked.

BREAKING: The United States just crossed $38,000,000,000,000 in national debt.

It was $36,000,000,000,000 on January 1st.

What happened to DOGE?

— Spencer Hakimian (@SpencerHakimian) October 22, 2025

Democrats are offering $3T in debt. The Republicans are offering $2T in debt. I say we forget both plans and instead opt for my Six Penny Plan, which would balance the budget in 5 years. pic.twitter.com/XvyVzWPrVs

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) October 22, 2025

A million seconds ago was October 11th
A billion seconds ago was 1993
A trillion seconds ago was 30,000 B.C.

The US national debt is now rising by $1 Trillion every ~180 days.pic.twitter.com/MXl0LsH3NK

— Geiger Capital (@Geiger_Capital) October 23, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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BREAKING: The United States just crossed $38,000,000,000,000 in national debt.

It was $36,000,000,000,000 on January 1st.

What happened to DOGE?

— Spencer Hakimian (@SpencerHakimian) October 22, 2025

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Do you realize that DOGE can't pass bills? That includes things like the BUDGET. CONGRESS must pass those. I.E. this is the fault of CONGRESS, not DOGE. I'm 100% certain if DOGE was creating a budget and they, not CONGRESS, had control of this process, that the results would have been far different.

"The US, unlike most other rich nations, is not expected to make any progress in lowering its deficit from current levels. The country’s gross debt-to-GDP ratio will surpass previous record highs to hit 143 per cent by the end of the decade," per the IMF

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 30, 2025

I know. Let's build a fkng ballroom and remodel the office with gold and send half our military to sink speed boats and celebrate with a bigly parade!!!

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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I know. Let's build a fkng ballroom and remodel the office with gold and send half our military to sink speed boats and celebrate with a bigly parade!!!

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But, it goes boom and makes a nice sound bite for the news cycle.

When Trump does stuff like this, you have to look at what he is doing elsewhere. It is a distraction. What is he really doing because he knows it is not really impacting drugs.

Its all a distraction to get Epstein files out of news.

He lies so much and so often no one pays attention. Its like a three ring circus.

Just 17 years ago… Where will it be in another 17 years?

Annual throwback to Halloween 2008 when Rand thought our ten trillion dollar debt was so scary he created a costume about it. Now it’s $38 trillion… with one trillion dollars of debt added in JUST THE LAST THREE MONTHS!! Truly terrifying for the future of our country. pic.twitter.com/ROf9zJ5jJG

— Kelley Paul (@KelleyAshbyPaul) October 31, 2025

⚡️This chart, this whole “$395B unrealized losses” story, is the polite, bloodless way of saying the U.S. banking system is hollowed out and surviving purely on narrative inertia.

The truth is simple:

The system already broke in 2023. Everything since has been balance-sheet… https://t.co/GTLpXtvvpW

— SightBringer (@_The_Prophet__) October 31, 2025

BlackRock, $BLK, CEO Larry Fink has said that if we do not grow our economy by 3% a year over next 10 years, our deficits are going to overwhelm this economy

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 31, 2025

boognish_bear said:

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BlackRock, $BLK, CEO Larry Fink has said that if we do not grow our economy by 3% a year over next 10 years, our deficits are going to overwhelm this economy

— unusual_whales (@unusual_whales) October 31, 2025

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Do we really think tariffs are the answer? Seems short sighted and long term counterproductive. If we are the "only game in town" so they have to do it, does that hold for 10 years?

Before we know it, our national debt will hit $39T.

This is why I opposed both the Democratic and the Republican spending plans. Both added trillions to our deficit instead of cutting waste. pic.twitter.com/aUzszlewPr

— Rand Paul (@RandPaul) November 26, 2025

https://t.co/lPDWn2unO4

— Charlie Bilello (@charliebilello) November 25, 2025

24 cents of every dollar collected in taxes goes to pay interest on the debt https://t.co/eql8te6Zf9 pic.twitter.com/Pqg7lvoE5g

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) November 26, 2025

The national debt is approaching $40 trillion. It will never be paid off. No one is even seriously thinking about how to do it. The federal government will ultimately destroy the currency through hyper-inflation, pretend to pay off the debt - and wipe out any bank savings.…

— FischerKing (@FischerKing64) November 30, 2025

Interest on the debt has ballooned at an alarming rate.

$1.2 trillion just to service the existing debt is massive, requiring more borrowing to continue paying for the borrowing of the past.

Vicious cycle. https://t.co/JoHvBckQWL

— Ron DeSantis (@RonDeSantis) December 5, 2025

Relax. If anyone knows how to pay off debt its Trump.