Redbrickbear said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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How do you like to imagine that you would have reacted when war broke out in Europe in September of 1939?

Do you like to imagine that you would have traveled to England and become a Yank in the R.A.F.?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have stayed home, but at least offered verbal opposition to Germany?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have joined Charles Lindbergh's isolationist "America First" movement?

And, if the American President had claimed, wrongly, that it was Poland that invaded Germany, and not the other way around, do you imagine that you would have supported him?

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The vast majority of the American people wanted to say out of what they saw as another pointless European blood bath

And they were right of course

Congress overwhelming passed the neutrality acts....[the United States Congress continued to demand American neutrality. Between 1936 and 1937, much to the dismay of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Congress passed the Neutrality Acts.]

When the American first committee was estbalished....it quickly ballooned to 850,000 members in 450 chapters in every city in the country within a few months.

There were only 130 million people in the USA in 1940....so that 850,000 is a massive number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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How do you like to imagine that you would have reacted when war broke out in Europe in September of 1939?

Do you like to imagine that you would have traveled to England and become a Yank in the R.A.F.?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have stayed home, but at least offered verbal opposition to Germany?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have joined Charles Lindbergh's isolationist "America First" movement?

And, if the American President had claimed, wrongly, that it was Poland that invaded Germany, and not the other way around, do you imagine that you would have supported him?

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The vast majority of the American people wanted to say out of what they saw as another pointless European blood bath

And they were right of course

Congress overwhelming passed the neutrality acts....[the United States Congress continued to demand American neutrality. Between 1936 and 1937, much to the dismay of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Congress passed the Neutrality Acts.]

When the American first committee was estbalished....it quickly ballooned to 850,000 members in 450 chapters in every city in the country within a few months.

There were only 130 million people in the USA in 1940....so that 850,000 is a massive number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

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THIS

By 1939 the American people realized their sacrifices in WW1 were for nothing.

And they didn't want to be played for suckers again in 1939.

But Churchill and Roosevelt had other ideas.

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Midnight Rider said:

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How do you like to imagine that you would have reacted when war broke out in Europe in September of 1939?

Do you like to imagine that you would have traveled to England and become a Yank in the R.A.F.?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have stayed home, but at least offered verbal opposition to Germany?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have joined Charles Lindbergh's isolationist "America First" movement?

And, if the American President had claimed, wrongly, that it was Poland that invaded Germany, and not the other way around, do you imagine that you would have supported him?

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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How do you like to imagine that you would have reacted when war broke out in Europe in September of 1939?

Do you like to imagine that you would have traveled to England and become a Yank in the R.A.F.?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have stayed home, but at least offered verbal opposition to Germany?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have joined Charles Lindbergh's isolationist "America First" movement?

And, if the American President had claimed, wrongly, that it was Poland that invaded Germany, and not the other way around, do you imagine that you would have supported him?

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The vast majority of the American people wanted to say out of what they saw as another pointless European blood bath

And they were right of course

Congress overwhelming passed the neutrality acts....[the United States Congress continued to demand American neutrality. Between 1936 and 1937, much to the dismay of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Congress passed the Neutrality Acts.]

When the American first committee was estbalished....it quickly ballooned to 850,000 members in 450 chapters in every city in the country within a few months.

There were only 130 million people in the USA in 1940....so that 850,000 is a massive number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

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THIS

By 1939 the American people realized their sacrifices in WW1 were for nothing.

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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How do you like to imagine that you would have reacted when war broke out in Europe in September of 1939?

Do you like to imagine that you would have traveled to England and become a Yank in the R.A.F.?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have stayed home, but at least offered verbal opposition to Germany?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have joined Charles Lindbergh's isolationist "America First" movement?

And, if the American President had claimed, wrongly, that it was Poland that invaded Germany, and not the other way around, do you imagine that you would have supported him?

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The vast majority of the American people wanted to say out of what they saw as another pointless European blood bath

And they were right of course

Congress overwhelming passed the neutrality acts....[the United States Congress continued to demand American neutrality. Between 1936 and 1937, much to the dismay of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Congress passed the Neutrality Acts.]

When the American first committee was estbalished....it quickly ballooned to 850,000 members in 450 chapters in every city in the country within a few months.

There were only 130 million people in the USA in 1940....so that 850,000 is a massive number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

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THIS

By 1939 the American people realized their sacrifices in WW1 were for nothing.

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Honestly worse than nothing

I was the defeat of Germany that led to late creation and rise of the Nazi party

It was because of the WWI that Russia collapsed and the Bolshevik-Communists took power creating the USSR

The collapse of the Ottoman Empire is what has led to the rise of 100 years of conflict and war in the Middle East.

Had WWI never happened the world would have been much better off

WWI help Japan get a foothold on expansion in Asia

In just about every way we can think of World War I was a civilizational disaster and it led right into World War II and the Cold war

Horrible....and all over mostly nothing

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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How do you like to imagine that you would have reacted when war broke out in Europe in September of 1939?

Do you like to imagine that you would have traveled to England and become a Yank in the R.A.F.?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have stayed home, but at least offered verbal opposition to Germany?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have joined Charles Lindbergh's isolationist "America First" movement?

And, if the American President had claimed, wrongly, that it was Poland that invaded Germany, and not the other way around, do you imagine that you would have supported him?

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The vast majority of the American people wanted to say out of what they saw as another pointless European blood bath

And they were right of course

Congress overwhelming passed the neutrality acts....[the United States Congress continued to demand American neutrality. Between 1936 and 1937, much to the dismay of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Congress passed the Neutrality Acts.]

When the American first committee was estbalished....it quickly ballooned to 850,000 members in 450 chapters in every city in the country within a few months.

There were only 130 million people in the USA in 1940....so that 850,000 is a massive number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

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THIS

By 1939 the American people realized their sacrifices in WW1 were for nothing.

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Honestly worse than nothing

I was the defeat of Germany that led to late creation and rise of the Nazi party

It was because of the WWI that Russia collapsed and the Bolshevik-Communists took power creating the USSR

The collapse of the Ottoman Empire is what has led to the rise of 100 years of conflict and war in the Middle East.

Had WWI never happened the world would have been much better off

WWI help Japan get a foothold on expansion in Asia

In just about every way we can think of World War I was a civilizational disaster and it led right into World War II and the Cold war

Horrible....and all over mostly nothing

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Midnight Rider said:

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That being said, I have heard that history doesn't repeat itself, but it sometimes rhymes. Russia's invasion of Ukraine rhymes in several respects with Germany's invasion of Poland.

And, yes, I have seen several news items about Trump claiming that Ukraine started the war with Russia. You can look it up.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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How do you like to imagine that you would have reacted when war broke out in Europe in September of 1939?

Do you like to imagine that you would have traveled to England and become a Yank in the R.A.F.?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have stayed home, but at least offered verbal opposition to Germany?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have joined Charles Lindbergh's isolationist "America First" movement?

And, if the American President had claimed, wrongly, that it was Poland that invaded Germany, and not the other way around, do you imagine that you would have supported him?

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The vast majority of the American people wanted to say out of what they saw as another pointless European blood bath

And they were right of course

Congress overwhelming passed the neutrality acts....[the United States Congress continued to demand American neutrality. Between 1936 and 1937, much to the dismay of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Congress passed the Neutrality Acts.]

When the American first committee was estbalished....it quickly ballooned to 850,000 members in 450 chapters in every city in the country within a few months.

There were only 130 million people in the USA in 1940....so that 850,000 is a massive number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

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THIS

By 1939 the American people realized their sacrifices in WW1 were for nothing.

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Honestly worse than nothing

I was the defeat of Germany that led to late creation and rise of the Nazi party

It was because of the WWI that Russia collapsed and the Bolshevik-Communists took power creating the USSR

The collapse of the Ottoman Empire is what has led to the rise of 100 years of conflict and war in the Middle East.

Had WWI never happened the world would have been much better off

WWI help Japan get a foothold on expansion in Asia

In just about every way we can think of World War I was a civilizational disaster and it led right into World War II and the Cold war

Horrible....and all over mostly nothing

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It can be argued that the period from 1914 through 1989 that began with the Sarajevo assassination of Austria Hungary's Franz Ferdinand and ended with the collapse of the Berlin Wall was one long international conflict that included both World Wars and the Cold War. All of it was connected.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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KaiBear said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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How do you like to imagine that you would have reacted when war broke out in Europe in September of 1939?

Do you like to imagine that you would have traveled to England and become a Yank in the R.A.F.?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have stayed home, but at least offered verbal opposition to Germany?

Or do you like to imagine that you would have joined Charles Lindbergh's isolationist "America First" movement?

And, if the American President had claimed, wrongly, that it was Poland that invaded Germany, and not the other way around, do you imagine that you would have supported him?

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The vast majority of the American people wanted to say out of what they saw as another pointless European blood bath

And they were right of course

Congress overwhelming passed the neutrality acts....[the United States Congress continued to demand American neutrality. Between 1936 and 1937, much to the dismay of President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Congress passed the Neutrality Acts.]

When the American first committee was estbalished....it quickly ballooned to 850,000 members in 450 chapters in every city in the country within a few months.

There were only 130 million people in the USA in 1940....so that 850,000 is a massive number

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_First_Committee

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THIS

By 1939 the American people realized their sacrifices in WW1 were for nothing.

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Honestly worse than nothing

I was the defeat of Germany that led to late creation and rise of the Nazi party

It was because of the WWI that Russia collapsed and the Bolshevik-Communists took power creating the USSR

The collapse of the Ottoman Empire is what has led to the rise of 100 years of conflict and war in the Middle East.

Had WWI never happened the world would have been much better off

WWI help Japan get a foothold on expansion in Asia

In just about every way we can think of World War I was a civilizational disaster and it led right into World War II and the Cold war

Horrible....and all over mostly nothing

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It can be argued that the period from 1914 through 1989 that began with the Sarajevo assassination of Austria Hungary's Franz Ferdinand and ended with the collapse of the Berlin Wall was one long international conflict that included both World Wars and the Cold War. All of it was connected.

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fubar said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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That being said, I have heard that history doesn't repeat itself, but it sometimes rhymes. Russia's invasion of Ukraine rhymes in several respects with Germany's invasion of Poland.

And, yes, I have seen several news items about Trump claiming that Ukraine started the war with Russia. You can look it up.

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There are some striking parallels between the late 1930s and today.

Western Europe sees them. Not sure why we don't.

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