New Look at the Testimonium Flavianum - Josephus' Testimony of Christ

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OsoCoreyell
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I just finished reading a great new book examining the Testimonium Flavianum.

Introduction | Josephus and Jesus: New Evidence for the One Called Christ | Oxford Academic

Quick summary: The Testimonium Flavianum is a passage from a work by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus which purports to relate what early Christians believed about Jesus. It says:

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct to this day.

While many scholars had previously stated that this was a non-Christian source material that provided evidence of (1) Christ's existence, (2) what early Christians believed about Christ, and (3) confirmation of certain historical facts related in the gospels, about the turn of the last century, some scholars began to doubt the authenticity of this passage, stating that it was simply too favorable an account to have been written by a non-Christian Jewish historian. Their conclusion from this was that it must have been a forgery, or altered in some way by early Christians to bolster their claims about the historical Jesus. That view became very mainstream over the years, even to the point where many conservative theologians and historians would say that it was "probably" a forgery or at least altered or supplemented.

But a new book by Yale and Oxford scholar TC Schmidt goes into deep detail on the passage, the provenance of the manuscripts we have of Josephus' historical work that contains it (Antiquities of the Jews), and does a much deeper textual analysis of Josephus's writing style and word selection to conclude that: (1) the interpretations from the Greek which seem to show Josephus spouting Christian doctrine are flawed and that, in fact, when you look at the Arabic and Syriac manuscripts, which were probably made from the original greek, the passage is much less affirming of Christian doctrine and seems to paint a more subtly disbelieving picture of Jesus, though still affirming some historical facts, and (2) the word selection in the passage is actually very consistent with Josephus' writing style throughout Antiquities of the Jews. Accordingly, there is a good argument that the passage IS authentic and therefore does provide evidence for the historical Christ.

Anyway - Interesting new scholarship.
Redbrickbear
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Very cool Oso

I never knew that Josephus talked about Christ.

I knew he was from an aristocratic Jewish family and fought the Romans before being taken prisoner...and was there witnessing the siege of Jerusalem

EatMoreSalmon
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OsoCoreyell said:

I just finished reading a great new book examining the Testimonium Flavianum.

Introduction | Josephus and Jesus: New Evidence for the One Called Christ | Oxford Academic

Quick summary: The Testimonium Flavianum is a passage from a work by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus which purports to relate what early Christians believed about Jesus. It says:

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct to this day.

While many scholars had previously stated that this was a non-Christian source material that provided evidence of (1) Christ's existence, (2) what early Christians believed about Christ, and (3) confirmation of certain historical facts related in the gospels, about the turn of the last century, some scholars began to doubt the authenticity of this passage, stating that it was simply too favorable an account to have been written by a non-Christian Jewish historian. Their conclusion from this was that it must have been a forgery, or altered in some way by early Christians to bolster their claims about the historical Jesus. That view became very mainstream over the years, even to the point where many conservative theologians and historians would say that it was "probably" a forgery or at least altered or supplemented.

But a new book by Yale and Oxford scholar TC Schmidt goes into deep detail on the passage, the provenance of the manuscripts we have of Josephus' historical work that contains it (Antiquities of the Jews), and does a much deeper textual analysis of Josephus's writing style and word selection to conclude that: (1) the interpretations from the Greek which seem to show Josephus spouting Christian doctrine are flawed and that, in fact, when you look at the Arabic and Syriac manuscripts, which were probably made from the original greek, the passage is much less affirming of Christian doctrine and seems to paint a more subtly disbelieving picture of Jesus, though still affirming some historical facts, and (2) the word selection in the passage is actually very consistent with Josephus' writing style throughout Antiquities of the Jews. Accordingly, there is a good argument that the passage IS authentic and therefore does provide evidence for the historical Christ.

Anyway - Interesting new scholarship.



Would be interesting to see the other translations to see the differences. Thanks for the info.
OsoCoreyell
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EatMoreSalmon said:


Would be interesting to see the other translations to see the differences. Thanks for the info.

One of the more interesting textual issues is the "he was a doer of wonderful works." The Syrian translation in particular translates that as "he was a sorcerer and performed sorcery." In Judaism and Christianity, the term "sorcery" has all kinds of negative connotations.
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OsoCoreyell said:

I just finished reading a great new book examining the Testimonium Flavianum.

Introduction | Josephus and Jesus: New Evidence for the One Called Christ | Oxford Academic

Quick summary: The Testimonium Flavianum is a passage from a work by the Jewish historian Flavius Josephus which purports to relate what early Christians believed about Jesus. It says:

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct to this day.

While many scholars had previously stated that this was a non-Christian source material that provided evidence of (1) Christ's existence, (2) what early Christians believed about Christ, and (3) confirmation of certain historical facts related in the gospels, about the turn of the last century, some scholars began to doubt the authenticity of this passage, stating that it was simply too favorable an account to have been written by a non-Christian Jewish historian. Their conclusion from this was that it must have been a forgery, or altered in some way by early Christians to bolster their claims about the historical Jesus. That view became very mainstream over the years, even to the point where many conservative theologians and historians would say that it was "probably" a forgery or at least altered or supplemented.

But a new book by Yale and Oxford scholar TC Schmidt goes into deep detail on the passage, the provenance of the manuscripts we have of Josephus' historical work that contains it (Antiquities of the Jews), and does a much deeper textual analysis of Josephus's writing style and word selection to conclude that: (1) the interpretations from the Greek which seem to show Josephus spouting Christian doctrine are flawed and that, in fact, when you look at the Arabic and Syriac manuscripts, which were probably made from the original greek, the passage is much less affirming of Christian doctrine and seems to paint a more subtly disbelieving picture of Jesus, though still affirming some historical facts, and (2) the word selection in the passage is actually very consistent with Josephus' writing style throughout Antiquities of the Jews. Accordingly, there is a good argument that the passage IS authentic and therefore does provide evidence for the historical Christ.

Anyway - Interesting new scholarship.



All sorts of interesting stuff in Christian History. I finished the book "The Bad Popes" earlier this year. Eusebius' Ecclesiastical Histories before that.

With regards to being a magician or sorcerer, that is one of the prime issues the Jews had with Jesus, brought to a head when he raised Lazarus from the dead.

"Legal debates had in fact ensued over the miracles of Jesus. People wondered by whose power He did His miracles (see Acts 4:7). In Mark 3:22, scribes (legal officials) were brought all the way to Galilee from Jerusalem to give their legal opinion in this case. Their determination was that "He hath Beelzebub [Satan], and by the prince of the devils casteth he out devils." There was not a theological debate going on, then, but a legal investigation resulting in an allegation with dire legal implications.

This same debate continued in Jerusalem. In John 10:1921, we learn that "there was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?"

As Jesus came to Jerusalem for the very last time, one final miracle tipped the scales against Himthe raising of Lazarus. A miracle of this magnitude and notoriety, performed in Bethany just over the hill from the temple in Jerusalem, raised legal issues that could not be ignored. After this miracle, "from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death" (John 11:53). The equivalent of a warrant for the arrest of Jesus was issued: "Now both the chief priests and the Pharisees had given a commandment [a legal order], that, if any man knew where he were, he should shew it, that they might take him" (John 11:57).

And it should be noted that Lazarus was also listed as a wanted man: "The chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus" (John 12:1011). In the chief priests' minds, Lazarus too was leading people into apostasy by colluding with Jesus.

With this background and clear development of factors in the Gospel of John, it is hard to imagine how Jesus's miracle working would not have been the dominant factor that galvanized the chief priests against Him. However, while laws against sorcery are mentioned occasionally by commentators writing about the trial of Jesus, this underlying concern or cause of action is not usually given much attention by readers or scholars. It seems to me that the main reason for this disregard is that no formal accusation of magic, or maleficium, ever appears to be made in the three synoptic Gospels. But in light of the foregoing discussion, a closer look at John 18:30 is required."

The hatred of Jewish leaders for Jesus should not be underestimated.
TinFoilHatPreacherBear
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Good, interesting op.

Today, only dishonest historians question the existence of Jesus. The evidence for his existence and ministry is overwhelming.
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