Pressure Needs To Be Put On Baylor Admin To Remove AJ Barber

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Forest Bueller_bf
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Mitch Blood Green said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:



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Now we're doxing?

All of the information provided is public information. He freely posted it just like he freely posted his evil thoughts. He has made no public apology and has only tried to escape accountability. Let's not forget, he celebrated the death of Charlie. This collective attitude of his and others fostered an environment where it was deemed acceptable to kill a law abiding citizen on public property for simply exercising his Constitutional freedom of speech. Rights that had already been paid for with blood by others.

A better question is why would you want to protect terrorists and terrorist enablers who attack our very democracy and way of life? Why doesn't the public deserve to know who they are to protect themselves and their families? Why are you prioritizing the rights of an unbeliever who did a terrible thing over a good Christian man who was martyred because of this very type of demonization?


It's a Baylor Dean & a grad student, not OBL

It is a grad student who has forfeited his right to be a member of Baylor University by his actions. And if the Baylor Dean is unable to see that, she has forfeited her right to be a Dean at Baylor University. Some decisions are hard to make. This is not one of them. If you are sticking up for her because she is your friend, you should instead be encouraging her to do the right thing.


What Would Charlie Do?

Maybe you forgot but Charlie was murdered in cold blood in front of his wife and children. We can't ask him now. But if he survived and miraculously avoided brain damage, I'd like to think he would do the right thing. And the right thing is AJ has to go. And maybe your friend Shanna Hagan-Burke too. Your tolerance has led to a good Christian man being killed. You should reflect on that.


I believe Charlie would say his death is acceptable loss to protect the second amendment.

Quote:

Take the time to read the entire debate he had when asked a question about the second amendment.

He actually gave solutions to reduce gun violence and reduce and virtually eliminate deaths from guns at schools. He added those deaths should not eliminate peoples rights to own firearms.


Really we shouldn't drive cars, there are over 40,000 deaths per year from vehicle wrecks. Removing cars, remove those 40,000 deaths. Yet people believe they have the absolute right to drive vehicles, and would fight you to keep that right.

Not only that studies show gun defenses saves at least 87,000 lives per year, up to as many as 1.6 million lives a year. My guess it is at the lower end of the number, probably around 100,000 lives saved a year.

I don't believe in such a thing as a "price to pay" to keep the 2nd amendment. I believe evil people murder others, and that it is that evil persons fault, not a firearms fault. Yet I still believe in second amendment rights.

Not as a "price to pay" for that right, because we cannot remove evil from this world, which is what gun murders are, but because if we abide by the law we should have the right to own guns/ bear arms as some people call it.





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Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:



Link:


Now we're doxing?

All of the information provided is public information. He freely posted it just like he freely posted his evil thoughts. He has made no public apology and has only tried to escape accountability. Let's not forget, he celebrated the death of Charlie. This collective attitude of his and others fostered an environment where it was deemed acceptable to kill a law abiding citizen on public property for simply exercising his Constitutional freedom of speech. Rights that had already been paid for with blood by others.

A better question is why would you want to protect terrorists and terrorist enablers who attack our very democracy and way of life? Why doesn't the public deserve to know who they are to protect themselves and their families? Why are you prioritizing the rights of an unbeliever who did a terrible thing over a good Christian man who was martyred because of this very type of demonization?


It's a Baylor Dean & a grad student, not OBL

It is a grad student who has forfeited his right to be a member of Baylor University by his actions. And if the Baylor Dean is unable to see that, she has forfeited her right to be a Dean at Baylor University. Some decisions are hard to make. This is not one of them. If you are sticking up for her because she is your friend, you should instead be encouraging her to do the right thing.


What Would Charlie Do?

Maybe you forgot but Charlie was murdered in cold blood in front of his wife and children. We can't ask him now. But if he survived and miraculously avoided brain damage, I'd like to think he would do the right thing. And the right thing is AJ has to go. And maybe your friend Shanna Hagan-Burke too. Your tolerance has led to a good Christian man being killed. You should reflect on that.


I believe Charlie would say his death is acceptable loss to protect the second amendment.

More accurately he would say his death is no reason to infringe the rights of law abiding citizens. But half quotes used out of context are the lifeblood of you leftists.

Charlie Kirk speech on gun violence reemerges

Taken out of context and with only those few words, not the 100's of words before and after, and the solutions he gave for curbing gun violence, especially gun violence in schools.

All that said, I thought Gavin Newsom gave the most decent and appropriate response to this of all the comments I've heard. He seemed to know Charlie and knew what he stood for.

Cordial debate, respectfully interacting with each other, reasoning together and not demonizing the other side. Those that say Charlie was a Nazi, Extremist, White supremacist, etc. etc. are just regurgitating the company line and have no clue who he was.

He was about as polite as Harold Ford Jr. or the late Alan Combs two very decent liberal commentators who I have great respect for and who debate with decency and fairness.
Osodecentx
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Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Youre a clown said:

Man you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


Kirk was murdered less than 48 hours ago and some folks want to fire a dean in less than 24 hours
All I suggest is that we look at facts before leaping to judgement

It may happen that Baylor separates from the grad student (the local school district made what appears to be a valid complaint), let's not ruin lives in the heat of the moment
I don't understand you.

We know he laughed about Charlie's murder. We can arrive at the conclusion that he's deranged and vile.

From that perfectly sound logic, we should agree that Baylor should immediately cut ties with deranged and vile people.

It's really simple logic.


Would you listen to his side before cutting ties?
Mitch Blood Green
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Forest Bueller_bf said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:



Link:


Now we're doxing?

All of the information provided is public information. He freely posted it just like he freely posted his evil thoughts. He has made no public apology and has only tried to escape accountability. Let's not forget, he celebrated the death of Charlie. This collective attitude of his and others fostered an environment where it was deemed acceptable to kill a law abiding citizen on public property for simply exercising his Constitutional freedom of speech. Rights that had already been paid for with blood by others.

A better question is why would you want to protect terrorists and terrorist enablers who attack our very democracy and way of life? Why doesn't the public deserve to know who they are to protect themselves and their families? Why are you prioritizing the rights of an unbeliever who did a terrible thing over a good Christian man who was martyred because of this very type of demonization?


It's a Baylor Dean & a grad student, not OBL

It is a grad student who has forfeited his right to be a member of Baylor University by his actions. And if the Baylor Dean is unable to see that, she has forfeited her right to be a Dean at Baylor University. Some decisions are hard to make. This is not one of them. If you are sticking up for her because she is your friend, you should instead be encouraging her to do the right thing.


What Would Charlie Do?

Maybe you forgot but Charlie was murdered in cold blood in front of his wife and children. We can't ask him now. But if he survived and miraculously avoided brain damage, I'd like to think he would do the right thing. And the right thing is AJ has to go. And maybe your friend Shanna Hagan-Burke too. Your tolerance has led to a good Christian man being killed. You should reflect on that.


I believe Charlie would say his death is acceptable loss to protect the second amendment.

More accurately he would say his death is no reason to infringe the rights of law abiding citizens. But half quotes used out of context are the lifeblood of you leftists.

Charlie Kirk speech on gun violence reemerges

Taken out of context and with only those few words, not the 100's of words before and after, and the solutions he gave for curbing gun violence, especially gun violence in schools.

All that said, I thought Gavin Newsom gave the most decent and appropriate response to this of all the comments I've heard. He seemed to know Charlie and knew what he stood for.

Cordial debate, respectfully interacting with each other, reasoning together and not demonizing the other side. Those that say Charlie was a Nazi, Extremist, White supremacist, etc. etc. are just regurgitating the company line and have no clue who he was.

He was about as polite as Harold Ford Jr. or the late Alan Combs two very decent liberal commentators who I have great respect for and who debate with decency and fairness.


Here's the guy I appreciated.

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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Youre a clown said:

Man you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


Kirk was murdered less than 48 hours ago and some folks want to fire a dean in less than 24 hours
All I suggest is that we look at facts before leaping to judgement

It may happen that Baylor separates from the grad student (the local school district made what appears to be a valid complaint), let's not ruin lives in the heat of the moment
I don't understand you.

We know he laughed about Charlie's murder. We can arrive at the conclusion that he's deranged and vile.

From that perfectly sound logic, we should agree that Baylor should immediately cut ties with deranged and vile people.

It's really simple logic.


Would you listen to his side before cutting ties?
No, of course not.

If someone can publicly laugh about a brutal murder simply because the victim held different political views, it reveals a complete lack of basic decency, professionalism, and judgment.

I can confidently conclude that this wasn't an accident, mistake or speaking too soon.

That kind of reaction normalizes violence, dehumanizes others, and fosters a toxic environment. It doesn't matter what their role is, if they are willing to mock or dismiss murder, they cannot be trusted to uphold the values of respect, safety, and responsibility that any workplace or institution requires. Especially an institution like Baylor that likes to claim it has a higher standard of values than elsewhere.

There is no excuse for it, and allowing that behavior to stand would send the message that cruelty and political hatred are acceptable.
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BaylorFTW said:

Youre a clown said:

Oh good grief, you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? No one here is calling for this dude to be murdered. Murdering people who don't agree with you politically is what progressives do, but I haven't seen it in this thread.. First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


If by chance you did not know, this is his and Sam's pattern of behavior where they always take the contrarian position. These two posters have been doing this for years and apparently nothing has changed. You see they get their kicks off it and may not even be aware of their behavior as they do it out of habit. Had I started this thread with the opposite opinion, they would have argued against it contradicting their claims in this thread. Once you realize their duplicity, you will not take them seriously. They are trying to make this about themselves which is disgusting given a good Christian man has been slain.





I'll repeat since you missed it -- I'm not defending the guy. Just suggesting a little less hysteria might be appropriate.
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Sam Lowry said:

BaylorFTW said:

Youre a clown said:

Oh good grief, you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? No one here is calling for this dude to be murdered. Murdering people who don't agree with you politically is what progressives do, but I haven't seen it in this thread.. First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


If by chance you did not know, this is his and Sam's pattern of behavior where they always take the contrarian position. These two posters have been doing this for years and apparently nothing has changed. You see they get their kicks off it and may not even be aware of their behavior as they do it out of habit. Had I started this thread with the opposite opinion, they would have argued against it contradicting their claims in this thread. Once you realize their duplicity, you will not take them seriously. They are trying to make this about themselves which is disgusting given a good Christian man has been slain.





I'll repeat since you missed it -- I'm not defending the guy. Just suggesting a little less hysteria might be appropriate.
No. Calling for a less aggressive response is inappropriate.
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Youre a clown said:

Man you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


Kirk was murdered less than 48 hours ago and some folks want to fire a dean in less than 24 hours
All I suggest is that we look at facts before leaping to judgement

It may happen that Baylor separates from the grad student (the local school district made what appears to be a valid complaint), let's not ruin lives in the heat of the moment
I don't understand you.

We know he laughed about Charlie's murder. We can arrive at the conclusion that he's deranged and vile.

From that perfectly sound logic, we should agree that Baylor should immediately cut ties with deranged and vile people.

It's really simple logic.


Would you listen to his side before cutting ties?


Did someone hack his account or hold a gun to his head?
Assassin
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Mitch Blood Green said:

30aBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

You like free speech until it offends you?

I like it until it leads to killing people. Sorry that offends you.


So that grad student is getting more people killed?

FIFY.

And yes. He is perpeuating violence with his remark and telling these youngsters to go ahead and murder someone and we'll all have a good laugh about it afterwards
"All assassins had a full-length mirror in their rooms, because it would be a terrible insult to anyone to kill them when you were badly dressed."
Mitch Blood Green
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Assassin said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

30aBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

You like free speech until it offends you?

I like it until it leads to killing people. Sorry that offends you.


So that grad student is getting more people killed?

FIFY.

And yes. He is perpeuating violence with his remark and telling these youngsters to go ahead and murder someone and we'll all have a good laugh about it afterwards


I'm following him. He told me to go have a liberal baby with Candace Owens.

I'm coming Candace




Osodecentx
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D. C. Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Youre a clown said:

Man you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


Kirk was murdered less than 48 hours ago and some folks want to fire a dean in less than 24 hours
All I suggest is that we look at facts before leaping to judgement

It may happen that Baylor separates from the grad student (the local school district made what appears to be a valid complaint), let's not ruin lives in the heat of the moment
I don't understand you.

We know he laughed about Charlie's murder. We can arrive at the conclusion that he's deranged and vile.

From that perfectly sound logic, we should agree that Baylor should immediately cut ties with deranged and vile people.

It's really simple logic.


Would you listen to his side before cutting ties?


Did someone hack his account or hold a gun to his head?


We can't know until we hear his side of the story. If he was hacked would it change your mind

I'm willing to hear his side before taking action. Separation from Baylor may be appropriate
Osodecentx
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Assassin said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

30aBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

You like free speech until it offends you?

I like it until it leads to killing people. Sorry that offends you.


So that grad student is getting more people killed?

FIFY.

And yes. He is perpeuating violence with his remark and telling these youngsters to go ahead and murder someone and we'll all have a good laugh about it afterwards


Would you listen to his side before firing him?
Wangchung
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Osodecentx said:

Assassin said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

30aBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

You like free speech until it offends you?

I like it until it leads to killing people. Sorry that offends you.


So that grad student is getting more people killed?

FIFY.

And yes. He is perpeuating violence with his remark and telling these youngsters to go ahead and murder someone and we'll all have a good laugh about it afterwards


Would you listen to his side before firing him?
He presented his side in his social media post. Not sure why you're confused. "Maybe he was hacked! Repeatedly!" Sure, and if you buy a lottery ticket you might win.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Osodecentx said:

D. C. Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Youre a clown said:

Man you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


Kirk was murdered less than 48 hours ago and some folks want to fire a dean in less than 24 hours
All I suggest is that we look at facts before leaping to judgement

It may happen that Baylor separates from the grad student (the local school district made what appears to be a valid complaint), let's not ruin lives in the heat of the moment
I don't understand you.

We know he laughed about Charlie's murder. We can arrive at the conclusion that he's deranged and vile.

From that perfectly sound logic, we should agree that Baylor should immediately cut ties with deranged and vile people.

It's really simple logic.


Would you listen to his side before cutting ties?


Did someone hack his account or hold a gun to his head?


We can't know until we hear his side of the story. If he was hacked would it change your mind

I'm willing to hear his side before taking action. Separation from Baylor may be appropriate


Obviously, if he was my employee, I would interview him before firing him and if it turned out that he wasn't responsible for the post he might keep his job.
Osodecentx
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D. C. Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

D. C. Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Youre a clown said:

Man you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


Kirk was murdered less than 48 hours ago and some folks want to fire a dean in less than 24 hours
All I suggest is that we look at facts before leaping to judgement

It may happen that Baylor separates from the grad student (the local school district made what appears to be a valid complaint), let's not ruin lives in the heat of the moment
I don't understand you.

We know he laughed about Charlie's murder. We can arrive at the conclusion that he's deranged and vile.

From that perfectly sound logic, we should agree that Baylor should immediately cut ties with deranged and vile people.

It's really simple logic.


Would you listen to his side before cutting ties?


Did someone hack his account or hold a gun to his head?


We can't know until we hear his side of the story. If he was hacked would it change your mind

I'm willing to hear his side before taking action. Separation from Baylor may be appropriate


Obviously, if he was my employee, I would interview him before firing him and if it turned out that he wasn't responsible for the post he might keep his job.


Agreed
The_barBEARian
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D. C. Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

D. C. Bear said:

Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Youre a clown said:

Man you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


Kirk was murdered less than 48 hours ago and some folks want to fire a dean in less than 24 hours
All I suggest is that we look at facts before leaping to judgement

It may happen that Baylor separates from the grad student (the local school district made what appears to be a valid complaint), let's not ruin lives in the heat of the moment
I don't understand you.

We know he laughed about Charlie's murder. We can arrive at the conclusion that he's deranged and vile.

From that perfectly sound logic, we should agree that Baylor should immediately cut ties with deranged and vile people.

It's really simple logic.


Would you listen to his side before cutting ties?


Did someone hack his account or hold a gun to his head?


We can't know until we hear his side of the story. If he was hacked would it change your mind

I'm willing to hear his side before taking action. Separation from Baylor may be appropriate


Obviously, if he was my employee, I would interview him before firing him and if it turned out that he wasn't responsible for the post he might keep his job.


Everyone makes mistakes. Especially when they are young....

If he shows remorse and promises corrective action, I would give him another chance... and I am the most extreme RWNJ, white supremacist on this board according to the Boomercons...

If this is a pattern of behavior and he has repeatedly done stupid crap like this in the past knowing there would be consequences... then dump his ass.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

You like free speech until it offends you?


Do you understand free speech? It doesn't have to do with emplyment but rather being JAILED for what you say.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

You like free speech until it offends you?

That's MAGA in a nutshell
Wangchung
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Aliceinbubbleland said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

You like free speech until it offends you?

That's MAGA in a nutshell
Right? Next MAGA will be out assassinating people over speech that offends them...
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

Assassin
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Assassin said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

30aBear said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

my You like free speech until it offends you?

I like it until it leads to killing people. Sorry that offends you.


So that grad student is getting more people killed?

FIFY.

And yes. He is perpeuating violence with his remark and telling these youngsters to go ahead and murder someone and we'll all have a good laugh about it afterwards


I'm following him. He told me to go have a liberal baby with Candace Owens.

I'm coming Candace




Dude! She is waaaay to hot for you.

Get out of my way!!
"All assassins had a full-length mirror in their rooms, because it would be a terrible insult to anyone to kill them when you were badly dressed."
Assassin
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ANYONE expressing glee over Charlie Kirk or anyone else's murder should be shunned by Admins, Businesses, Friends, and anyone having anything to do with them. Democrat or Republican.

All they are doing is telling the next assassin that it's okay to murder. 'Drop by when you are done and we'll drink a beer, have a smoke, and kick back. We'll have a good belly laugh. Ha ha!'
"All assassins had a full-length mirror in their rooms, because it would be a terrible insult to anyone to kill them when you were badly dressed."
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True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.

LIB,MR BEARS
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The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Perhaps just the loss of a scholarship or the inability to enroll the following semester.

He had done harm to BU regardless of BUs disclaimer.

His second chance may just need to be at a different university and he may want to leave Midway off his resume
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Perhaps just the loss of a scholarship or the inability to enroll the following semester.

He had done harm to BU regardless of BUs disclaimer.

His second chance may just need to be at a different university and he may want to leave Midway off his resume


I think Baylor does a lot more harm to itself when it charters queer identity groups or endorses BLM events.

But Baylor is a private institution and it should be able to operate more freely than if this was a student at a state college.
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Scrawny with a weird shaped head.

Tracks.
30aBear
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Osodecentx said:

Doc Holliday said:

Osodecentx said:

Youre a clown said:

Man you are a drama queen. Who in here is in a lynch mob? First you dropped the word "doxxing" because people looked up publicly available information that's available on Baylor's website, and now we're in a "lynch mob" because we're talking about it on a website?


Kirk was murdered less than 48 hours ago and some folks want to fire a dean in less than 24 hours
All I suggest is that we look at facts before leaping to judgement

It may happen that Baylor separates from the grad student (the local school district made what appears to be a valid complaint), let's not ruin lives in the heat of the moment
I don't understand you.

We know he laughed about Charlie's murder. We can arrive at the conclusion that he's deranged and vile.

From that perfectly sound logic, we should agree that Baylor should immediately cut ties with deranged and vile people.

It's really simple logic.


Would you listen to his side before cutting ties?
you need to listen to his side? What is wrong with you?
BaylorFTW
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The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Sorry your friend AJ has got to go. He can have his second chance at another institution. That nuance is why Charlie is dead. Such an individual is a threat to everyone around him. Baylor needs to be made safe and Baylor admins need to show such behavior is not acceptable conduct for students. The fact that an ordinary high school knows this better than the Baylor admins is scary.
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The_barBEARian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Perhaps just the loss of a scholarship or the inability to enroll the following semester.

He had done harm to BU regardless of BUs disclaimer.

His second chance may just need to be at a different university and he may want to leave Midway off his resume


I think Baylor does a lot more harm to itself when it charters queer identity groups or endorses BLM events.


I can't confirm yet but my suspicion given how things are playing out is you are speaking to the heart of the issue. It seems Baylor admins don't want to admit they screwed up by enrolling this grad student in the first place. This is not uncommon for liberal minded admins who bring such problems into universities and rather than accepting the blame for the obvious mistake and taking appropriate corrective action, they double down. I fully expect them to start gas lighting people who protest just like some defenders are trying to start to do here in this thread.

This all reminds of a story from my Father who went to an elite private boarding school that had an influx of liberal minded administrators despite traditionally being a very conservative school. I should point out parents sent their children to this school specifically because of that as they valued that kind of education. Nevertheless, the new admins had other ideas and proudly brought in some "disadvantaged groups" only for those same students to turn around and cause distraction and disruption by celebrating the death of some policemen. The conservative parents then voiced their concerns only for the admins to double down in their pride not letting their ego go. The result was the parents started pulling their kids out and the school went under. This was an institution that had been in operation for over 90 years at its closing. All gone because some liberal minded admins couldn't admit they were wrong.
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BaylorFTW said:

The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Sorry your friend AJ has got to go. He can have his second chance at another institution. That nuance is why Charlie is dead. Such an individual is a threat to everyone around him. Baylor needs to be made safe and Baylor admins need to show such behavior is not acceptable conduct for students. The fact that an ordinary high school knows this better than the Baylor admins is scary.


You are making a lot of assumptions and projections based on a "giggles" post.

I'll shoot down one of your lies right now... I am not friends with AJ nor have I ever met the guy before.

You are taking a very hardline position and when you are inevitably on the receiving end of your political opponents mis-framing, lying, and projecting things onto you over a mistake you will inevitably make, you'll want people to show some perspective and nuance.
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Mitch Blood Green said:

Wangchung said:

Mitch Blood Green said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:

Osodecentx said:

BaylorFTW said:



Link:


Now we're doxing?

All of the information provided is public information. He freely posted it just like he freely posted his evil thoughts. He has made no public apology and has only tried to escape accountability. Let's not forget, he celebrated the death of Charlie. This collective attitude of his and others fostered an environment where it was deemed acceptable to kill a law abiding citizen on public property for simply exercising his Constitutional freedom of speech. Rights that had already been paid for with blood by others.

A better question is why would you want to protect terrorists and terrorist enablers who attack our very democracy and way of life? Why doesn't the public deserve to know who they are to protect themselves and their families? Why are you prioritizing the rights of an unbeliever who did a terrible thing over a good Christian man who was martyred because of this very type of demonization?


It's a Baylor Dean & a grad student, not OBL

It is a grad student who has forfeited his right to be a member of Baylor University by his actions. And if the Baylor Dean is unable to see that, she has forfeited her right to be a Dean at Baylor University. Some decisions are hard to make. This is not one of them. If you are sticking up for her because she is your friend, you should instead be encouraging her to do the right thing.


What Would Charlie Do?

Maybe you forgot but Charlie was murdered in cold blood in front of his wife and children. We can't ask him now. But if he survived and miraculously avoided brain damage, I'd like to think he would do the right thing. And the right thing is AJ has to go. And maybe your friend Shanna Hagan-Burke too. Your tolerance has led to a good Christian man being killed. You should reflect on that.


I believe Charlie would say his death is acceptable loss to protect the second amendment.

More accurately he would say his death is no reason to infringe the rights of law abiding citizens. But half quotes used out of context are the lifeblood of you leftists.

Charlie Kirk speech on gun violence reemerges

I posted the long form of this speech on another thread for comment, but it got none. I thought he reasonably expressed a viewpoint in favor of the 2nd Amendment (as our founders clearly were) and concern / empathy re: how to reduce gun violence. Maybe go check out the long form of the discussion, then tell us what you think is wrong with it. I'd be down for that discussion.

Big picture - it is 100% correct that if you have guns you will have more gun violence. Lots of other things are also true regarding unarmed citizenry, other forms of violence, etc. It's a complex discussion. I think his position is ultimately a reasonable one.

Anyone spiking the football because "tee hee hee he got shot with a gun and died" is just showing themselves to be heartless and brainless.
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The_barBEARian said:

BaylorFTW said:

The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Sorry your friend AJ has got to go. He can have his second chance at another institution. That nuance is why Charlie is dead. Such an individual is a threat to everyone around him. Baylor needs to be made safe and Baylor admins need to show such behavior is not acceptable conduct for students. The fact that an ordinary high school knows this better than the Baylor admins is scary.


You are making a lot of assumptions and projections based on a "giggles" post.

I'll shoot down one of your lies right now... I am not friends with AJ nor have I ever met the guy before.

You are taking a very hardline position and when you are inevitably on the receiving end of your political opponents mis-framing, lying, and projecting things onto you over a mistake you will inevitably make, you'll want people to show some perspective and nuance.


Exspeculate some of that new aunce for me. I ain't that bright.

Maybe you can come up with a seen-hairy-o that makes scents
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorFTW said:

The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Sorry your friend AJ has got to go. He can have his second chance at another institution. That nuance is why Charlie is dead. Such an individual is a threat to everyone around him. Baylor needs to be made safe and Baylor admins need to show such behavior is not acceptable conduct for students. The fact that an ordinary high school knows this better than the Baylor admins is scary.


You are making a lot of assumptions and projections based on a "giggles" post.

I'll shoot down one of your lies right now... I am not friends with AJ nor have I ever met the guy before.

You are taking a very hardline position and when you are inevitably on the receiving end of your political opponents mis-framing, lying, and projecting things onto you over a mistake you will inevitably make, you'll want people to show some perspective and nuance.


Exspeculate some of that new aunce for me. I ain't that bright.

Maybe you can come up with a seen-hairy-o that makes scents



The naunce is you tell the guy this isn't acceptable, dont do it again vs excommunicato (which leads to more conflict)

I dont know his history but if its a one off I wouldn't take his head off... but that's just me... the resident RWNJ, white supremacist extremist
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The_barBEARian said:

BaylorFTW said:

The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Sorry your friend AJ has got to go. He can have his second chance at another institution. That nuance is why Charlie is dead. Such an individual is a threat to everyone around him. Baylor needs to be made safe and Baylor admins need to show such behavior is not acceptable conduct for students. The fact that an ordinary high school knows this better than the Baylor admins is scary.


You are making a lot of assumptions and projections based on a "giggles" post.

I'll shoot down one of your lies right now... I am not friends with AJ nor have I ever met the guy before.

You are taking a very hardline position and when you are inevitably on the receiving end of your political opponents mis-framing, lying, and projecting things onto you over a mistake you will inevitably make, you'll want people to show some perspective and nuance.

You are the one making assumptions that Midway High School didn't exercise due diligence in their decision. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? If not, you are doing the very thing you are accusing me of.

And if you don't want to be seen as AJ's friend, stop defending his evil behavior. This is not a mistake or a lapse in judgement. This is a willful celebration of the murder of a good Christian man that AJ purposely chose to make public on social media for all to see. He was not ashamed of his words. And even now, I have no evidence showing he has made a public apology. Nor do I see this man making himself available for questions or taking accountability. Instead, I see that his Instagram account was made private and the deletion of his Linkedin account and apparently his Facebook as well. You want to pretend there is some justification here and entertain anything to give some kind of plausible deniability. Yet, you can't point to a single piece of evidence supporting such things. Sorry but you are the one with the unreasonable position here.








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The_barBEARian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorFTW said:

The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Sorry your friend AJ has got to go. He can have his second chance at another institution. That nuance is why Charlie is dead. Such an individual is a threat to everyone around him. Baylor needs to be made safe and Baylor admins need to show such behavior is not acceptable conduct for students. The fact that an ordinary high school knows this better than the Baylor admins is scary.


You are making a lot of assumptions and projections based on a "giggles" post.

I'll shoot down one of your lies right now... I am not friends with AJ nor have I ever met the guy before.

You are taking a very hardline position and when you are inevitably on the receiving end of your political opponents mis-framing, lying, and projecting things onto you over a mistake you will inevitably make, you'll want people to show some perspective and nuance.


Exspeculate some of that new aunce for me. I ain't that bright.

Maybe you can come up with a seen-hairy-o that makes scents



The naunce is you tell the guy this isn't acceptable, dont do it again vs excommunicato (which leads to more conflict)

I dont know his history but if its a one off I wouldn't take his head off... but that's just me... the resident RWNJ, white supremacist extremist
You would make a great Soros funded DA.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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BaylorFTW said:

The_barBEARian said:

BaylorFTW said:

The_barBEARian said:

True conservatives dont support cancel culture.

We also believe in second chances bcs we are the good guys.

There is room for nuance.... the guy wasn't posting videos of Charlie's death and saying he wish he had been the one to do it.

"Giggles" is inappropriate and he should receive disciplinary action, but not extreme enough to ruin someone's life.



Sorry your friend AJ has got to go. He can have his second chance at another institution. That nuance is why Charlie is dead. Such an individual is a threat to everyone around him. Baylor needs to be made safe and Baylor admins need to show such behavior is not acceptable conduct for students. The fact that an ordinary high school knows this better than the Baylor admins is scary.


You are making a lot of assumptions and projections based on a "giggles" post.

I'll shoot down one of your lies right now... I am not friends with AJ nor have I ever met the guy before.

You are taking a very hardline position and when you are inevitably on the receiving end of your political opponents mis-framing, lying, and projecting things onto you over a mistake you will inevitably make, you'll want people to show some perspective and nuance.

You are the one making assumptions that Midway High School didn't exercise due diligence in their decision. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? If not, you are doing the very thing you are accusing me of.

And if you don't want to be seen as AJ's friend, stop defending his evil behavior. This is not a mistake or a lapse in judgement. This is a willful celebration of the murder of a good Christian man that AJ purposely chose to make public on social media for all to see. He was not ashamed of his words. And even now, I have no evidence showing he has made a public apology. Nor do I see this man making himself available for questions or taking accountability. Instead, I see that his Instagram account was made private and the deletion of his Linkedin account and apparently his Facebook as well. You want to pretend there is some justification here and entertain anything to give some kind of plausible deniability. Yet, you can't point to a single piece of evidence supporting such things. Sorry but you are the one with the unreasonable position here.









Seems like some want to treat cheering the assassination the same as if he accidentally parked in the wrong parking space. "Aw, let's hear his side of him cheering on the murder of an innocent man! Maybe it was an oopsy! Maybe he fell asleep on his keyboard and his face just randomly mashed out the posts! YoU jUsT cAnT kNoW!!!"
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

 
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