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A PRAYER OF SALVATION: If you have any doubts about whether or not you are going to heaven, YOU COULD HUMBLY PRAY SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO GOD FROM YOUR HEART IN FAITH:
"Dear Lord Jesus I know that I am a sinner and need you to save me. I believe that You are the Lord and believe in my heart that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead, shedding your blood as the Sacrifice for my sins. I turn to You as the only way of Salvation, I submit my life to you, I submit my will to yours, I place my Faith and Trust in You alone as Lord of my life, Please save me and I thank You for it, in Jesus holy name, Amen."
If you have truly placed your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord, submitting your life to Him, you can know that you are a child of God and on your way to heaven. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing Church and follow in baptism.
What churches are not Bible believing? Or is that code language for something?
It's interesting that Bible believing is the thing that triggered you.
Nobody triggered. It was the most bizarre part of the post and i enjoy trying to help when I get the opportunity to talk with schismed protestants
Still never got a response from you or anyone on the paradise topic. Thats what i expected though.
Not sure what you're talking about. What about paradise?
Not one single Protestant here responded to my explanation of paradise and where the thief on the cross went with jesus that day. In fact it immediately ended what was a lively discussion so one could only conclude it was unable to be refuted.
Sorry, just now seeing this. Many interpretations of this wording believe Christ was referring to Heaven. I think this is the most likely interpretation, as it is used in other places of scripture to refer to Heaven.
I am not sure of the relevance of the question, however. It's certainly not a difficult question, by any measure.
Yes. The 80 Other times Jesus spoke of Heaven and never once used this word should make one question where Jesus met the thief on the cross after his death
Any logical person would ponder.
Ah, got it. So when Christ said he would be with the thief in paradise, what he really meant is that the thief would be with him in Hades or Purgatory because the thief didn't perform enough works to get into Heaven.
Speaking of a lack of logic, LOL. SMH.
Did Jesus go To haven over the weekend? Smh
We've been over this. Why are you rehashing old arguments and what does that have to do with the thief on the cross?
I get that you're trying to explain away the thief being with Christ given that it destroys the Catholic narrative on baptism and other sacraments being necessary for salvation. I'd suggest not feeling threatened by scripture but opening your mind to the possibility that your works based faith is built on a faulty premise.
You really invent a lot of arguments in your head. I always have to bring you back to the topic. Stick to the topic. Jesus spoke of Heaven 80 times and never once used the word he used with the thief. So where did they go?
Was Jesus in heaven that weekend? Why continued refusal to answer the question? I get no one ever made you look at it this way before with these facts youd never heard before so where was he?
I've answered these questions on another thread. I think you either don't read the posts responding to your questions, or you simply ignore the answers inconvenient for your positions.
As I said on another thread, we are not entirely sure what happened to Christ between his death and resurrection. Some verses suggest he went to Hades. Others suggest he went to Heaven. And still others suggest that he went to a place of comfort and rest for the dead in Sheol - the place of the dead - where he released the patriarchs of the faith following his salvific work on the cross. And then other verses suggest he went to all three of these places. We simply do not know, and won't know until we are with Christ in Heaven.
Now, again, I am trying to determine what you believe this discussion proves, because like many of your inane points, it doesn't seem relevant to the issue at hand. Are you attempting to argue that the thief was not saved? Or are you attempting to argue that he had to do certain things to earn salvation? And if these are your positions, what scriptural support do you have for them, if any.
Or I guess the better question is - do YOU even know what your point is, if any?
An astute observer, which i guess you dont want to be out of stubborness or other, would rightfully question why Jesus, our Lord and Savior,used a word to the thief that protestants love to use as some way of debunking a 2000 yesr old catholic faith and Jesus' church on earth built upon the rock, as proof of something yet they dont seem to understand or question their struggle to prove that because they dont understand the greek
Just things that should make one overwhelmed with pride of their knowledge togo hmmmmm
That is all
I don't know what other protestants say, as unlike you, I don't subscribe to the simplistic and glib idea that "protestants" are some monolithic group who all share the same set of thoughts. All I can say is what I believe.
But let's examine what you're saying here. The thief was with Christ in a place called paradise. Even you would agree with that, I believe. So, how does the fact we don't know if that's Heaven or some other place that is apparently like Heaven support any of your positions? The answer is, it doesn't.
The man was with Christ in a place called paradise. In other words, he wasn't condemned to Hell or this fictional and unmentioned place called Purgatory because he wasn't baptized or didn't perform some sort of sacrament to save himself. Indeed, he was saved, as otherwise, he wouldn't be with Christ in paradise.
That honestly should be the end of the discussions right there. But if you feel that should be interpreted differently, feel free to share your interpretation. Do you believe the man was saved or not?
