I have been wondering whether the MAGA movement will continue for a while or if it is losing momentum.
Some recent events give one pause to think whether this is happening.
1. Marjorie Taylor Green has decided to resign
2. Some Republican Senators have spoken against the boat bombings off of Venezuela coast.
3. Several Economist have voiced objection to the possibility of USA Rebate checks from the tariff revenue.
4. Several countries have voiced disagreement to the Ukraine/Russia peace plan.
5. People have grown tired of the Epstein file issue.

What do you think?

6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

I think there are a number of self-aggrandizing opportunists in the party who see Trump as a lame duck, and want to grab the wheel of MAGA. See MTG, for starters. She's one of the most disingenuous people in Congress, and I think she's love nothing more than to grab the reins. Thomas Massie is another.

Once Trump is gone, I think so will be MAGA. That's not to say remnants won't remain, but Trump IS MAGA. He is a force of nature. The Repubs don't have a replacement for him.

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yeah, that's a real bull**** move by people like Kelly. They can't even identify anything illegal Trump has done, but are calling on the military to ignore him? That's some dangerous stuff.

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

fubar said:

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

fubar said:

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Bull**** and you know it is bull*****

These *****es didn't make an after school special to help the military. They did it to undermine the President.

You know it. Don't play ****** and act surprised.

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Bull**** and you know it is bull*****

These *****es didn't make an after school special to help the military. They did it to undermine the President.

You know it. Don't play ****** and act surprised.

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Recalling a long-retired officer so as to court martial him is bull***** That it's over a true statement of the law is just icing on the **** cake you want military officers to eat.

And if you don't know that, I don't even know what to say.

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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Which one of those rises to sedition?

fubar said:

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Mothra said:

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fubar said:

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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Which one of those rises to sedition?

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I am not sure it rises to sedition. What I take issue with is your attempt to downplay his statement as a mere stating of the law.

We both know that's not what he was doing.

Every a-hole that participated in that treasonous commercial should be stripped of all military recognition and benefits. Truly un American.

Mothra said:

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fubar said:

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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Which one of those rises to sedition?

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I am not sure it rises to sedition. What I take issue with is your attempt to downplay his statement as a mere stating of the law.

We both know that's not what he was doing.

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I am sure it doesn't rise to sedition.

But here's a little fun exercise. I am a former USAF officer. To current miliary service members, my brothers and sisters, I want to say that you are not required to follow an unlawful order. In fact, it is your duty NOT to follow one.

Come and get me.

Mothra said:

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fubar said:

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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they didnt say anything every soldier has heard from basic to deployment. it was also a cautionary message. poor taste maybe

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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Which one of those rises to sedition?

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I am not sure it rises to sedition. What I take issue with is your attempt to downplay his statement as a mere stating of the law.

We both know that's not what he was doing.

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I am sure it doesn't rise to sedition.

But here's a little fun exercise. I am a former USAF officer. To current miliary service members, my brothers and sisters, I want to say that you are not required to follow an unlawful order. In fact, it is your duty NOT to follow one.

Come and get me.

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So glad "all" he was doing was merely educating the apparently stupid military masses.

Had no idea our military was chalk full of idiots. Was that the case when you served as well?

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Mothra said:

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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they didnt say anything every soldier has heard from basic to deployment. it was also a cautionary message. poor taste maybe

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No, no, apparently our military is full of idiots. Kelly was just educating them. Ask fubar.

To those of you who continue to try to defend this hogwash, I say this: There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain.

(That may not be an original thought, but it damn well applies.)

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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Which one of those rises to sedition?

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I am not sure it rises to sedition. What I take issue with is your attempt to downplay his statement as a mere stating of the law.

We both know that's not what he was doing.

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I am sure it doesn't rise to sedition.

But here's a little fun exercise. I am a former USAF officer. To current miliary service members, my brothers and sisters, I want to say that you are not required to follow an unlawful order. In fact, it is your duty NOT to follow one.

Come and get me.

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So glad "all" he was doing was merely educating the apparently stupid military masses.

Had no idea our military was chalk full of idiots. Was that the case when you served as well?

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No, it wasn't. I was taught that from the very beginning of my service. To my knowledge, nobody threatened anybody who taught me that with court martial.

Now which statement was seditious?

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Guy Noir said:

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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Which one of those rises to sedition?

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I am not sure it rises to sedition. What I take issue with is your attempt to downplay his statement as a mere stating of the law.

We both know that's not what he was doing.

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I am sure it doesn't rise to sedition.

But here's a little fun exercise. I am a former USAF officer. To current miliary service members, my brothers and sisters, I want to say that you are not required to follow an unlawful order. In fact, it is your duty NOT to follow one.

Come and get me.

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So glad "all" he was doing was merely educating the apparently stupid military masses.

Had no idea our military was chalk full of idiots. Was that the case when you served as well?

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No, it wasn't. I was taught that from the very beginning of my service. To my knowledge, nobody threatened anybody who taught me that with court martial.

Now which statement was seditious?

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I already said, I am not sure it was seditious. I simply called bull**** on your ridiculous position that Kelly was merely educating the military masses. Glad to hear you've dropped that charade.

What do you think his purpose was in saying that?

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To those of you who continue to try to defend this hogwash, I say this: There will come a day when Donald Trump is gone, but your dishonor will remain.

(That may not be an original thought, but it damn well applies.)

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I am not a huge fan of Trump. Never have been. But when the alternative was the disastrous policies of Biden/Harris, kind of hard to take you seriously.

The Biden administration was a total **** show.

The demise of Maga is just more spin. Trump still has a very high favorable rating by his party. Better than Obama or Bush even did in a their time.

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Yes, but the implication is that the administration is violating the law, and it is encourage sedition.

You know it. You're just being dense because of TDS.

Biden and Obama regularly violated the law - more than Trump - internationally and at home - yet Republicans were not running commercials encouraging the military to ignore those two oatmeal brains.

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I think there are a number of self-aggrandizing opportunists in the party who see Trump as a lame duck, and want to grab the wheel of MAGA. See MTG, for starters. She's one of the most disingenuous people in Congress, and I think she's love nothing more than to grab the reins. Thomas Massie is another.

Once Trump is gone, I think so will be MAGA. That's not to say remnants won't remain, but Trump IS MAGA. He is a force of nature. The Repubs don't have a replacement for him.

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All lame duck presidents have difficulty controlling their own party members toward the end of their term.

Trump will be no different.

Agreed; without Trump MAGA fades away.

Which makes it even more critical the Republicans look to a new source of votes; a new base.

Hello Marco Rubio.

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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He stated the law. There was no suggestion. Most of the speakers were ex military. I wish there was a veteran on this thread, you know, maybe someone from the air force, that could give their opinion. The only thing about the military Trump knows is how to keep from serving/

Takes a broad sense of humor to pretend the Dems paid for commercials and air time merely to publicly 'educate' our servicemen.

Especially since such a propaganda peace was never deemed necessary before in the history of the United States.

Honestly it kind of rings to me like Biden's bullseye comment regarding the Republican Party's presidential nominee.

Who by the sheerest of coincidence ( of course ) almost had his head blown off on national television shortly thereafter.

If no one gets shot from this little piece of educational gameplay……I would hope it's never repeated and eventually forgotten.

But if anyone is hurt…..the producers of this stupidity should face the severest consequences.

The fickle nature of populism.

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Takes a broad sense of humor to pretend the Dems paid for commercials and air time merely to publicly 'educate' our servicemen.

Especially since such a propaganda peace was never deemed necessary before in the history of the United States.

Honestly it kind of rings to me like Biden's bullseye comment regarding the Republican Party's presidential nominee.

Who by the sheerest of coincidence ( of course ) almost had his head blown off on national television shortly thereafter.

If no one gets shot from this little piece of educational gameplay……I would hope it's never repeated and eventually forgotten.

But if anyone is hurt…..the producers of this stupidity should face the severest consequences.

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Geez, we all know ot was a political message. True, they didnt say anything that we all didnt hear in Basic through every JAG briefing. But, yes there was a political message. If you are a Commander being given a mission to blow up civilian boats, i am sure there is a JAG officer in the loop. Hell, that is what DeSantis did as a JAG officer in fhe Navy.

poor taste? yes. politicicizing military members? yes. Seditiuos? No.

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Takes a broad sense of humor to pretend the Dems paid for commercials and air time merely to publicly 'educate' our servicemen.

Especially since such a propaganda peace was never deemed necessary before in the history of the United States.

Honestly it kind of rings to me like Biden's bullseye comment regarding the Republican Party's presidential nominee.

Who by the sheerest of coincidence ( of course ) almost had his head blown off on national television shortly thereafter.

If no one gets shot from this little piece of educational gameplay……I would hope it's never repeated and eventually forgotten.

But if anyone is hurt…..the producers of this stupidity should face the severest consequences.

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Geez, we all know ot was a political message. True, they didnt say anything that we all didnt hear in Basic through every JAG briefing. But, yes there was a political message. If you are a Commander being given a mission to blow up civilian boats, i am sure there is a JAG officer in the loop. Hell, that is what DeSantis did as a JAG officer in fhe Navy.

poor taste? yes. politicicizing military members? yes. Seditiuos? No.

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Unless it inspires violence towards superior officers or our political leadership.

In that case everyone connected to this stupidity should be put in federal lockup.

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6. Trump Admin is threatening Senators that announced to military personnel they did no need to follow orders when the orders were illegal.

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Yep. This is what it's come to. Accurately stating the law is sedition.

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Is that what Kelly was doing? Merely stating the "law" to members of the military?

Or was he suggesting that something Trump had ordered was actually "illegal"?

The latter is how I took it.

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He stated the law. There was no suggestion. Most of the speakers were ex military. I wish there was a veteran on this thread, you know, maybe someone from the air force, that could give their opinion. The only thing about the military Trump knows is how to keep from serving/

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That's one way of looking at it I suppose - the way someone who hates Trump looks at it.

But I would submit both you and fubar know better, and are purposely ignoring the context because of how much you both hate Trump and/or conservatism in general.

This was Kelly speaking at an engagement with a number of other partisan democrats senators and congressmen, who throughout their speeches were highly critical of Trump and his decision to strike cartels. It was at this engagement that Kelly made the comments in question. In that context, even someone deranged by all things Trump knows exactly what Kelly was suggesting.

By the way, I took your advice. Had my weekly morning phone call with my dad this morning - a retired 10 year military veteran who served in Vietnam as a Huey pilot in the 101st airborne. Saw two tours in Vietnam. He thinks Kelly's comments are disgraceful.

Just fyi.

Enjoy your dad while you can. I miss mine so much. Actually there is a poster here on the board that served in the air force. He didnt step up so I will not talk of it again.

Vance seems to be one of the only people who has a pulse on what's occuring at ground level - people will just politically check out if they feel like everything is hopeless https://t.co/f7dLR8WxzB

— captive dreamer (@captive_dreamer) November 24, 2025

My Dad was a Pearl Harbor attack veteran.

18 years old serving on the USS Selfridge. Then saw 4 years of constant combat in the Pacific.

When he died I immediately flew in for his funeral. Wasn't convenient but wished to be a comfort to my mother.

It's a final obligation to ones Father.

Kelley is a schmuck. He's always been a schmuck. This is the same SOB who used his wife's attack for political points. He's an embarrassment to the uniform, Congress, and the nation. He's the kind of dog **** on a sandal human that is so dominant in the radical left.

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Takes a broad sense of humor to pretend the Dems paid for commercials and air time merely to publicly 'educate' our servicemen.

Especially since such a propaganda peace was never deemed necessary before in the history of the United States.

Honestly it kind of rings to me like Biden's bullseye comment regarding the Republican Party's presidential nominee.

Who by the sheerest of coincidence ( of course ) almost had his head blown off on national television shortly thereafter.

If no one gets shot from this little piece of educational gameplay……I would hope it's never repeated and eventually forgotten.

But if anyone is hurt…..the producers of this stupidity should face the severest consequences.

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Geez, we all know ot was a political message. True, they didnt say anything that we all didnt hear in Basic through every JAG briefing. But, yes there was a political message. If you are a Commander being given a mission to blow up civilian boats, i am sure there is a JAG officer in the loop. Hell, that is what DeSantis did as a JAG officer in fhe Navy.

poor taste? yes. politicicizing military members? yes. Seditiuos? No.

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Unless it inspires violence towards superior officers or our political leadership.

In that case everyone connected to this stupidity should be put in federal lockup.

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Really? Any troop that goes violent deserves what they get, but it is THEIR ACTION not some stupid PSA. Surprised, you are usually a "responsible for your own actions type of guy".

Trump obviously being closer to Epstein than he would like to admit doesn't help. Even if he didn't participate he is still putting his own self interests over that of dozens of victims while concurrently showing he isn't interested in bringing all the abusers to light.

Building up our army in South America to stop cartels makes no sense.

Changing your position on Ukraine every week doesn't help.

Starting a trade war with the entire world instead of picking them off in small groups was moronic.

He did shut the border down but because he is blowing it on many other issues we probably are just going to have a dem in next time to reverse everything.