I had been thinking about this question and then saw Tucker Carlson say something similar in a facebook post recently:

Since men and women are designed for each other, it's hard to become fully complete without the other. That's not even a theological point. It's a biological point. It's true for all species. Male and female, that distinction is encoded in all of nature, in plants and animals. It's in the universe, you might say. It's just a fact. And you can ignore it and pretend that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. You can come up with any slogan you want. You can externalize your childhood trauma in any way you want and write all the books you want about how dad is bad, but you can't get around nature because you didn't create it. You don't make the rules. You either live by them and thrive, or you ignore them and are destroyed. That's the choice that we face. Period.

The most important thing to do in life is to find an opposite-sex partner, get married, stay married, and have kids.

Genesis 1 stuff. Until you do that, you will not understand until it is far too late to do anything about it. Once you do that, you won't understand how others don't understand.

Unfortunately the modern version of western civilization (and western-civlization adjacent places) has become an enemy of the prime directive through materialism, feminism, and porn.

What does "without a woman mean?" I've spent the majority about of my life without a wife.

It's more important that you are with the right woman than "a" woman.

BaylorFTW said:

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I had been thinking about this question and then saw Tucker Carlson say something similar in a facebook post recently:

Since men and women are designed for each other, it's hard to become fully complete without the other. That's not even a theological point. It's a biological point. It's true for all species. Male and female, that distinction is encoded in all of nature, in plants and animals. It's in the universe, you might say. It's just a fact. And you can ignore it and pretend that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. You can come up with any slogan you want. You can externalize your childhood trauma in any way you want and write all the books you want about how dad is bad, but you can't get around nature because you didn't create it. You don't make the rules. You either live by them and thrive, or you ignore them and are destroyed. That's the choice that we face. Period.

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So is Tucker or some other dufus trying to say Jesus wasn't a complete man while on earth.

Or Pauls charge that it is better if you can stay single incorrect. So they can devote themselves more fully to the work of the Lord. 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

Human being are not basic animals, we have souls and are created in the image of God. A person can be a complete man or woman without a spouse.

... and the conundrum of the hermaphrodite?

discuss.

- uncle fred*

D!

* dir. UFRI

{ uncle fred loads an imaginary pipe and rubs his prominent brow and regards a large oak and ponders the squirrel running around the base over and over chasing his nuts }

Go Bears!!

Jesus was a unique situation, being God, performing miracles, rising from the dead and all.

Paul's instructions took into account specific geopolitical situations…unless it is your take that it is best for Christians to remain unmarried and join monastic orders?

My problem has always been: Any woman that I am attracted to will have nothing to do with me. Any woman who is attracted to me is obviously of such low standards as to be dismissed.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I had been thinking about this question and then saw Tucker Carlson say something similar in a facebook post recently:

Since men and women are designed for each other, it's hard to become fully complete without the other. That's not even a theological point. It's a biological point. It's true for all species. Male and female, that distinction is encoded in all of nature, in plants and animals. It's in the universe, you might say. It's just a fact. And you can ignore it and pretend that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. You can come up with any slogan you want. You can externalize your childhood trauma in any way you want and write all the books you want about how dad is bad, but you can't get around nature because you didn't create it. You don't make the rules. You either live by them and thrive, or you ignore them and are destroyed. That's the choice that we face. Period.

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So is Tucker or some other dufus trying to say Jesus wasn't a complete man while on earth.

Or Pauls charge that it is better if you can stay single incorrect. So they can devote themselves more fully to the work of the Lord. 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

Human being are not basic animals, we have souls and are created in the image of God. A person can be a complete man or woman without a spouse.

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Reading comprehension is important. Tucker wrote it's hard to become fully complete without the other.

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My problem has always been: Any woman that I am attracted to will have nothing to do with me. Any woman who is attracted to me is obviously of such low standards as to be dismissed.

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Sounds like something Groucho Marx would have said.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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What does "without a woman mean?" I've spent the majority about of my life without a wife.

It's more important that you are with the right woman than "a" woman.

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Do you not think you have been diminished in some ways as a result of this. Would you not be better off with a woman who could balance out your hard points? Also, instead of the "right woman" why not just "a decent woman" whom you could grow together with? There is no soulmate in the bible so I wonder if we are making perfect the enemy of good. I would submit that the vast majority of Christian marriages were not soulmate marriages or marriages with the right one but rather decently chosen partners.

Let's also look at this the other way, do you believe you have qualities that could help benefit a woman? In other words, would her life be enriched and become a more complete person as a result of your presence in her life?

william said:

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... and the conundrum of the hermaphrodite?

discuss.

- uncle fred*

D!

* dir. UFRI

{ uncle fred loads an imaginary pipe and rubs his prominent brow and regards a large oak and ponders the squirrel running around the base over and over chasing his nuts }

Go Bears!!

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We are getting a little far out on the tree branch. However, my understanding is that even in these cases, one sexual organ is typically more predominant/functional than the other which essentially decides their gender. If they then find an understanding person of the opposite gender, I don't see the problem. I think they would benefit from the opposite sex just like any other person.

Seen too many folks miserable and lonely while being married; to believe it's worse being single.

I have been extremely fortunate in finding the one woman who could love me for 45 years and counting.

Realitybites said:

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The most important thing to do in life is to find an opposite-sex partner, get married, stay married, and have kids.

Genesis 1 stuff. Until you do that, you will not understand until it is far too late to do anything about it. Once you do that, you won't understand how others don't understand.

Unfortunately the modern version of western civilization (and western-civlization adjacent places) has become an enemy of the prime directive through materialism, feminism, and porn.

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The most important thing to do in life is to believe in Jesus Christ. Anything else is a distant, distant second.

I've seen married people who were complete, alright. Completely miserable.

BaylorFTW said:

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I had been thinking about this question and then saw Tucker Carlson say something similar in a facebook post recently:

Since men and women are designed for each other, it's hard to become fully complete without the other. That's not even a theological point. It's a biological point. It's true for all species. Male and female, that distinction is encoded in all of nature, in plants and animals. It's in the universe, you might say. It's just a fact. And you can ignore it and pretend that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. You can come up with any slogan you want. You can externalize your childhood trauma in any way you want and write all the books you want about how dad is bad, but you can't get around nature because you didn't create it. You don't make the rules. You either live by them and thrive, or you ignore them and are destroyed. That's the choice that we face. Period.

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Define complete in this instance, please.

ABC BEAR said:

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My problem has always been: Any woman that I am attracted to will have nothing to do with me. Any woman who is attracted to me is obviously of such low standards as to be dismissed.

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Mitch had an alt

BaylorFTW said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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What does "without a woman mean?" I've spent the majority about of my life without a wife.

It's more important that you are with the right woman than "a" woman.

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Do you not think you have been diminished in some ways as a result of this. Would you not be better off with a woman who could balance out your hard points? Also, instead of the "right woman" why not just "a decent woman" whom you could grow together with? There is no soulmate in the bible so I wonder if we are making perfect the enemy of good. I would submit that the vast majority of Christian marriages were not soulmate marriages or marriages with the right one but rather decently chosen partners.

Let's also look at this the other way, do you believe you have qualities that could help benefit a woman? In other words, would her life be enriched and become a more complete person as a result of your presence in her life?

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I married a good woman, heck, I'll even say great woman. However, soulmate? I don't think so.

I am certain that my soulmate has a father with several thousand acres of land just south of Halletsville, a 38' Bertram birthed in Rockport right next to his 22' Kenner flats boat. He also loves me more than his own kids.

KaiBear said:

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Seen too many folks miserable and lonely while being married; to believe it's worse being single.

I have been extremely fortunate in finding the one woman who could love me for 45 years and counting.

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a human?? or some member of the livestock community??

PA.

- UL

... and, as always, TIA.

BID.

william said:

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KaiBear said:

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Seen too many folks miserable and lonely while being married; to believe it's worse being single.

I have been extremely fortunate in finding the one woman who could love me for 45 years and counting.

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a human?? or some member of the livestock community??

PA.

- UL

... and, as always, TIA.

BID.

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LOL

Most definitely human.

From the beautiful and intelligent sub species.

Exceedingly rare.

45 year later and I still can't believe my good luck.

KaiBear said:

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william said:

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KaiBear said:

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Seen too many folks miserable and lonely while being married; to believe it's worse being single.

I have been extremely fortunate in finding the one woman who could love me for 45 years and counting.

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a human?? or some member of the livestock community??

PA.

- UL

... and, as always, TIA.

BID.

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LOL

Most definitely human.

From the beautiful and intelligent sub species.

Exceedingly rare.

45 year later and I still can't believe my good luck.

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well - good. very good.

you are the one who got it right...........

- uncle fred

BaylorFTW said:

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Forest Bueller_bf said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I had been thinking about this question and then saw Tucker Carlson say something similar in a facebook post recently:

Since men and women are designed for each other, it's hard to become fully complete without the other. That's not even a theological point. It's a biological point. It's true for all species. Male and female, that distinction is encoded in all of nature, in plants and animals. It's in the universe, you might say. It's just a fact. And you can ignore it and pretend that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. You can come up with any slogan you want. You can externalize your childhood trauma in any way you want and write all the books you want about how dad is bad, but you can't get around nature because you didn't create it. You don't make the rules. You either live by them and thrive, or you ignore them and are destroyed. That's the choice that we face. Period.

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So is Tucker or some other dufus trying to say Jesus wasn't a complete man while on earth.

Or Pauls charge that it is better if you can stay single incorrect. So they can devote themselves more fully to the work of the Lord. 8 Now to the unmarried[a] and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I do.

Human being are not basic animals, we have souls and are created in the image of God. A person can be a complete man or woman without a spouse.

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Reading comprehension is important. Tucker wrote it's hard to become fully complete without the other.

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And I disagree with him.

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Realitybites said:

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The most important thing to do in life is to find an opposite-sex partner, get married, stay married, and have kids.

Genesis 1 stuff. Until you do that, you will not understand until it is far too late to do anything about it. Once you do that, you won't understand how others don't understand.

Unfortunately the modern version of western civilization (and western-civlization adjacent places) has become an enemy of the prime directive through materialism, feminism, and porn.

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The most important thing to do in life is to believe in Jesus Christ. Anything else is a distant, distant second.

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This. We are complete in Christ.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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The most important thing to do in life is to find an opposite-sex partner, get married, stay married, and have kids.

Genesis 1 stuff. Until you do that, you will not understand until it is far too late to do anything about it. Once you do that, you won't understand how others don't understand.

Unfortunately the modern version of western civilization (and western-civlization adjacent places) has become an enemy of the prime directive through materialism, feminism, and porn.

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The most important thing to do in life is to believe in Jesus Christ. Anything else is a distant, distant second.

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This. We are complete in Christ.

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100% correct.

As usual.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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My problem has always been: Any woman that I am attracted to will have nothing to do with me. Any woman who is attracted to me is obviously of such low standards as to be dismissed.

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Mitch had an alt

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What does this mean? alternate lifestyle?

BaylorFTW said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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My problem has always been: Any woman that I am attracted to will have nothing to do with me. Any woman who is attracted to me is obviously of such low standards as to be dismissed.

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Mitch had an alt

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What does this mean? alternate lifestyle?

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A poor attempt at a joke. You'll get used to it. My wife certainly has.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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ABC BEAR said:

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My problem has always been: Any woman that I am attracted to will have nothing to do with me. Any woman who is attracted to me is obviously of such low standards as to be dismissed.

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Mitch had an alt

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Two alts.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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What does "without a woman mean?" I've spent the majority about of my life without a wife.

It's more important that you are with the right woman than "a" woman.

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Most folks would be better off getting a dog.

BaylorFTW said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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What does "without a woman mean?" I've spent the majority about of my life without a wife.

It's more important that you are with the right woman than "a" woman.

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Do you not think you have been diminished in some ways as a result of this. Would you not be better off with a woman who could balance out your hard points? Also, instead of the "right woman" why not just "a decent woman" whom you could grow together with? There is no soulmate in the bible so I wonder if we are making perfect the enemy of good. I would submit that the vast majority of Christian marriages were not soulmate marriages or marriages with the right one but rather decently chosen partners.

Let's also look at this the other way, do you believe you have qualities that could help benefit a woman? In other words, would her life be enriched and become a more complete person as a result of your presence in her life?

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I'll try to answer. Hope it tracks.

1. I do not believe I've been diminished.
2. I am better off with the woman I'm married to.
3. A descent woman may not be "your" woman. I can assure you, I know lots of descent women many who would have been excellent wives. Some even great ex wives. I'm can't say what makes marriage successful. I can say we can be different people or have different goals at 30/35/45.
4. Enhancing or being enhanced by a person doesn't make them right for you.
5. I don't know what perfect means.
6. I know people who have the perfect marriage and I know people who are miserable. I'm not trying to be miserable.

drahthaar said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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What does "without a woman mean?" I've spent the majority about of my life without a wife.

It's more important that you are with the right woman than "a" woman.

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Most folks would be better off getting a dog.

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The best relationship advice I've ever had, I got from a coach.

I was about 12. It was 48 years ago. I was at the Jerry Sandusky football camp and out of the blue while we were showering, coach said to me "you can be a linebacker"

I carry that with me.

I understand the need to fight against the culture that says marriage and raising kids is unimportant. I also agree that a good Christian woman will often times round out the rough edges, and make you a better man. Believe it or not, despite my persona on this board, my wife has certainly done so. So I do get what Tucker is saying.

But I think once again Tucker is displaying the theology of someone who is a baby Christian. We are only complete in Christ, as others have alluded to. And Paul himself said multiple times that it's better to be single than married, as marriage is a distraction often times from the work of Christ.

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I understand the need to fight against the culture that says marriage and raising kids is unimportant. I also agree that a good Christian woman will often times round out the rough edges, and make you a better man. Believe it or not, despite my persona on this board, my wife has certainly done so. So I do get what Tucker is saying.

But I think once again Tucker is displaying the theology of someone who is a baby Christian. We are only complete in Christ, as others have alluded to. And Paul himself said multiple times that it's better to be single than married, as marriage is a distraction often times from the work of Christ.

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And yet, Paul also thought the return of Christ was to be imminent which could explain a lot of why he said what he did about singleness and marriage. The bible says God created woman as a helper to man and it is not good for man to be alone (Gen 2:18). Paul also said in 1 Cor 7 that men should get married to flee fornication so though it is not a requirement, it is a necessary concession for many men. Opinions vary on who wrote Hebrews but it also says in Heb 13:4- says "Marriage is honourable in all..."

BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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I understand the need to fight against the culture that says marriage and raising kids is unimportant. I also agree that a good Christian woman will often times round out the rough edges, and make you a better man. Believe it or not, despite my persona on this board, my wife has certainly done so. So I do get what Tucker is saying.

But I think once again Tucker is displaying the theology of someone who is a baby Christian. We are only complete in Christ, as others have alluded to. And Paul himself said multiple times that it's better to be single than married, as marriage is a distraction often times from the work of Christ.

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And yet, Paul also thought the return of Christ was to be imminent which could explain a lot of why he said what he did about singleness and marriage. The bible says God created woman as a helper to man and it is not good for man to be alone (Gen 2:18). Paul also said in 1 Cor 7 that men should get married to flee fornication so though it is not a requirement, it is a necessary concession for many men. Opinions vary on who wrote Hebrews but it also says in Heb 13:4- says "Marriage is honourable in all..."

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Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5 that none of us know the times and seasons of Christ's second coming. In other words, he acknowledges that it could occur at any point in the future.

As for the rest, I don't disagree with you. I think marriage is a good thing, when it's with the right Christian woman. But we are complete in Christ, and we do not need a female to make us so. And that's where Tucker once again displays his baby-Christian theology.

- uncle fred

Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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I understand the need to fight against the culture that says marriage and raising kids is unimportant. I also agree that a good Christian woman will often times round out the rough edges, and make you a better man. Believe it or not, despite my persona on this board, my wife has certainly done so. So I do get what Tucker is saying.

But I think once again Tucker is displaying the theology of someone who is a baby Christian. We are only complete in Christ, as others have alluded to. And Paul himself said multiple times that it's better to be single than married, as marriage is a distraction often times from the work of Christ.

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And yet, Paul also thought the return of Christ was to be imminent which could explain a lot of why he said what he did about singleness and marriage. The bible says God created woman as a helper to man and it is not good for man to be alone (Gen 2:18). Paul also said in 1 Cor 7 that men should get married to flee fornication so though it is not a requirement, it is a necessary concession for many men. Opinions vary on who wrote Hebrews but it also says in Heb 13:4- says "Marriage is honourable in all..."

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Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5 that none of us know the times and seasons of Christ's second coming. In other words, he acknowledges that it could occur at any point in the future.

As for the rest, I don't disagree with you. I think marriage is a good thing, when it's with the right Christian woman. But we are complete in Christ, and we do not need a female to make us so. And that's where Tucker once again displays his baby-Christian theology.

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IT is absolutely a good thing to find a GOOD wife and have children, I have both. However, if we are looking for someone else to make us a complete person, we have missed the point. They can't.

Christ is really clear we are complete in Him.

Forest Bueller_bf said:

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Mothra said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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Mothra said:

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I understand the need to fight against the culture that says marriage and raising kids is unimportant. I also agree that a good Christian woman will often times round out the rough edges, and make you a better man. Believe it or not, despite my persona on this board, my wife has certainly done so. So I do get what Tucker is saying.

But I think once again Tucker is displaying the theology of someone who is a baby Christian. We are only complete in Christ, as others have alluded to. And Paul himself said multiple times that it's better to be single than married, as marriage is a distraction often times from the work of Christ.

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And yet, Paul also thought the return of Christ was to be imminent which could explain a lot of why he said what he did about singleness and marriage. The bible says God created woman as a helper to man and it is not good for man to be alone (Gen 2:18). Paul also said in 1 Cor 7 that men should get married to flee fornication so though it is not a requirement, it is a necessary concession for many men. Opinions vary on who wrote Hebrews but it also says in Heb 13:4- says "Marriage is honourable in all..."

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Paul said in 1 Thessalonians 5 that none of us know the times and seasons of Christ's second coming. In other words, he acknowledges that it could occur at any point in the future.

As for the rest, I don't disagree with you. I think marriage is a good thing, when it's with the right Christian woman. But we are complete in Christ, and we do not need a female to make us so. And that's where Tucker once again displays his baby-Christian theology.

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IT is absolutely a good thing to find a GOOD wife and have children, I have both. However, if we are looking for someone else to make us a complete person, we have missed the point. They can't.

Christ is really clear we are complete in Him.

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Agreed.