BUDOS said:
Never mind.
My apologies.
Thought we could have a reasonable exchange of ideas.
BUDOS said:
Never mind.
whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Biden is NO longer President and hasn't been in a while, so not pertinent to the question of Trump's amazing Grif. Question: are there any of you who are OK with Trump and Family rapping and pillaging?
Please list specific evidence involving specific acts of pillaging.
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar. Whitkoff and little whitkoff getting rich with the Trump Boz, Melanie's book. who wants to read a book about a 3rrdworld hooker? $B in Crypto investments. Shall I continue with how Little Johnny and Old83 getting fleeced by the Gold Piggy!
Which of these actions are illegal ?
The Airplane was a gift to the office not to Trump. But you already knew that.
neverTrumper Rule #1: "l I don't like it, it's illegal."AlwaysTrumperDemocrat Rule #1 Nothing is illegal, Anything goes
FIFY
I learned the "if I don't like it, it's illegal" lesson in Republican meeting halls, listening to libertarian kooks oppose everything they didn't like as "unconstitutional." It's the ultimate losers' argument. When you make it, you cede the premise that the policy is an viable solution. Worse, by failing to make an argument that the policy is harmful or ineffective (and that you have a better alternative) you increase the likelihood the policy will pass into law, which then requires years and money (during which time that policy will be shaping pathological outcomes) to litigate the question of illegality or unconstitutionality. And you might well lose in court. Obamacare is a classic example of that dynamic.
I was posting on a thread where JR wrote:
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar.
The Trumps are enriching themselves by leveraging the office of president. Hunter B did it, now Don Jr and Eric are.
So there is no difference between the obvious "let me pay you a lot for doing nothing" stuff like Hunter did in Romania and Kazakhstan and China and Ukraine versus what Trump kids have done with real investments in a real companies?
FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Biden is NO longer President and hasn't been in a while, so not pertinent to the question of Trump's amazing Grif. Question: are there any of you who are OK with Trump and Family rapping and pillaging?
Please list specific evidence involving specific acts of pillaging.
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar. Whitkoff and little whitkoff getting rich with the Trump Boz, Melanie's book. who wants to read a book about a 3rrdworld hooker? $B in Crypto investments. Shall I continue with how Little Johnny and Old83 getting fleeced by the Gold Piggy!
Which of these actions are illegal ?
The Airplane was a gift to the office not to Trump. But you already knew that.
neverTrumper Rule #1: "l I don't like it, it's illegal."AlwaysTrumperDemocrat Rule #1 Nothing is illegal, Anything goes
FIFY
I learned the "if I don't like it, it's illegal" lesson in Republican meeting halls, listening to libertarian kooks oppose everything they didn't like as "unconstitutional." It's the ultimate losers' argument. When you make it, you cede the premise that the policy is an viable solution. Worse, by failing to make an argument that the policy is harmful or ineffective (and that you have a better alternative) you increase the likelihood the policy will pass into law, which then requires years and money (during which time that policy will be shaping pathological outcomes) to litigate the question of illegality or unconstitutionality. And you might well lose in court. Obamacare is a classic example of that dynamic.
I was posting on a thread where JR wrote:
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar.
The Trumps are enriching themselves by leveraging the office of president. Hunter B did it, now Don Jr and Eric are.
So there is no difference between the obvious "let me pay you a lot for doing nothing" stuff like Hunter did in Romania and Kazakhstan and China and Ukraine versus what Trump kids have done with real investments in a real companies?
Geez, give us a number of what Biden made so we can deduct it from Trumps haul. After all, your logic is Biden did it, Trump can do what he wants. So, let's just get a number. How much? How much total, including Hunter. DOGE can cut a check to Donald. That way we can discuss what the current Administration is doing....
KaiBear said:BUDOS said:
And we know Trump' and his people follow the rules, especially Hegseth, Holman, Bondi, Patel, etc. So I guess it's not a matter of who is or isn't putting America first. Nor does it appear to be which presidential term performs the worst or is the most corrupt. For too many it seems to be we are getting what we are willing to settle for, with few lifting a finger to do anything substantial to correct the situation.
Consider you a reasonable individual......so will respond.
Trump has a ton of personal faults. Wanted DeSantis but he failed horribly in the primaries.
However if Harris had been elected; she would have continued Biden's open border policies, woke insanities, the lawfare against white people and Christians; along with destroying our foreign policy positions throughout the world.
Spent the better part of 4 months researching other countries and had finally selected the North Island of New Zealand as our bail out.
Honestly expected the Dems to steal the election again.
I say again because over 16 million votes showed up for Biden in 2020 that has never appeared before or SINCE.
Such numbers are statistically significiant. ( took statistics in grad school )
Our electorate is horribly undereducated and in many cases utterly ignorant. It is far too later to fix the situation as its the dumbest people doing too much of the breeding.
Money controls almost every single aspect of our elections.....along with fraud....and that is also never going to change because most of our politicians get rich out of the process.
So the US is screwed. Trump is only going to delay the collapse by 10 years at most.
When the Dems take over in 2028; we will liquidate our real estate holdings and leave. The where will be determined by my wife, grandchildren and our health.
RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:KaiBear said:BUDOS said:
And we know Trump' and his people follow the rules, especially Hegseth, Holman, Bondi, Patel, etc. So I guess it's not a matter of who is or isn't putting America first. Nor does it appear to be which presidential term performs the worst or is the most corrupt. For too many it seems to be we are getting what we are willing to settle for, with few lifting a finger to do anything substantial to correct the situation.
Consider you a reasonable individual......so will respond.
Trump has a ton of personal faults. Wanted DeSantis but he failed horribly in the primaries.
However if Harris had been elected; she would have continued Biden's open border policies, woke insanities, the lawfare against white people and Christians; along with destroying our foreign policy positions throughout the world.
Spent the better part of 4 months researching other countries and had finally selected the North Island of New Zealand as our bail out.
Honestly expected the Dems to steal the election again.
I say again because over 16 million votes showed up for Biden in 2020 that has never appeared before or SINCE.
Such numbers are statistically significiant. ( took statistics in grad school )
Our electorate is horribly undereducated and in many cases utterly ignorant. It is far too later to fix the situation as its the dumbest people doing too much of the breeding.
Money controls almost every single aspect of our elections.....along with fraud....and that is also never going to change because most of our politicians get rich out of the process.
So the US is screwed. Trump is only going to delay the collapse by 10 years at most.
When the Dems take over in 2028; we will liquidate our real estate holdings and leave. The where will be determined by my wife, grandchildren and our health.
Pretty damn good post, Sir. Agree with most everything you said. My biggest disappointment with it is that you would allow a bunch of crooked, shady politicians run you out of the country. Don't quit. Stay and fight. This is our country. And even with all the deep corruption and flaws it is still worth fighting for.
(I realize you have me on ignore but figured I would respond anyway.)
P.S. - Sure hope DeSantis gets another shot in 2028. He is all business and no bull$h!t!
Osodecentx said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Biden is NO longer President and hasn't been in a while, so not pertinent to the question of Trump's amazing Grif. Question: are there any of you who are OK with Trump and Family rapping and pillaging?
Please list specific evidence involving specific acts of pillaging.
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar. Whitkoff and little whitkoff getting rich with the Trump Boz, Melanie's book. who wants to read a book about a 3rrdworld hooker? $B in Crypto investments. Shall I continue with how Little Johnny and Old83 getting fleeced by the Gold Piggy!
Which of these actions are illegal ?
The Airplane was a gift to the office not to Trump. But you already knew that.
neverTrumper Rule #1: "l I don't like it, it's illegal."AlwaysTrumperDemocrat Rule #1 Nothing is illegal, Anything goes
FIFY
I learned the "if I don't like it, it's illegal" lesson in Republican meeting halls, listening to libertarian kooks oppose everything they didn't like as "unconstitutional." It's the ultimate losers' argument. When you make it, you cede the premise that the policy is an viable solution. Worse, by failing to make an argument that the policy is harmful or ineffective (and that you have a better alternative) you increase the likelihood the policy will pass into law, which then requires years and money (during which time that policy will be shaping pathological outcomes) to litigate the question of illegality or unconstitutionality. And you might well lose in court. Obamacare is a classic example of that dynamic.
I was posting on a thread where JR wrote:
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar.
The Trumps are enriching themselves by leveraging the office of president. Hunter B did it, now Don Jr and Eric are.
So there is no difference between the obvious "let me pay you a lot for doing nothing" stuff like Hunter did in Romania and Kazakhstan and China and Ukraine versus what Trump kids have done with real investments in a real companies?
Geez, give us a number of what Biden made so we can deduct it from Trumps haul. After all, your logic is Biden did it, Trump can do what he wants. So, let's just get a number. How much? How much total, including Hunter. DOGE can cut a check to Donald. That way we can discuss what the current Administration is doing....
Looks like Netflix needs to hire Barron Trump
Trump Looms Over Netflix's Deal for Warner Bros. Discovery
President Trump said the acquisition "could be a problem," suggesting he will insert himself into the regulatory review of the transaction.
Osodecentx said:TexasScientist said:
Propaganda is what you get on Fox, and what is sponsored on social media by the Kremlin.
The only reason for you to turn a blind eye to corruption is because of ignorance, naivety, or you see a personal benefit.
I think many people saw Biden as mentally unfit for the job and voted for Trump as an agent of change. They are reconciled to the fact that Trump is a grifter and malignant narcissist, but better than Biden. It was a horrible dilemma
J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Biden is NO longer President and hasn't been in a while, so not pertinent to the question of Trump's amazing Grif. Question: are there any of you who are OK with Trump and Family rapping and pillaging?
Please list specific evidence involving specific acts of pillaging.
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar. Whitkoff and little whitkoff getting rich with the Trump Boz, Melanie's book. who wants to read a book about a 3rrdworld hooker? $B in Crypto investments. Shall I continue with how Little Johnny and Old83 getting fleeced by the Gold Piggy!
Which of these actions are illegal ?
The Airplane was a gift to the office not to Trump. But you already knew that.
none that we know of yet. Let me ask a question: Are you ok with Trump, family, cronies, get rich off the tax payers and making billions in crypto while in office(that he started).? You ok with the Trump families grift regardless of bumping up to the line. you good with this?
Harrison Bergeron said:TexasScientist said:
Propaganda is what you get on Fox, and what is sponsored on social media by the Kremlin.
The only reason for you to turn a blind eye to corruption is because of ignorance, naivety, or you see a personal benefit.
Flat Earth - would you support a law that required every politician to return every dollar change between the first day sworn in office in his / her last day in office?
TexasScientist said:Harrison Bergeron said:TexasScientist said:
Propaganda is what you get on Fox, and what is sponsored on social media by the Kremlin.
The only reason for you to turn a blind eye to corruption is because of ignorance, naivety, or you see a personal benefit.
Flat Earth - would you support a law that required every politician to return every dollar change between the first day sworn in office in his / her last day in office?
Flat Earth Boy - How about just requiring every politician to follow the laws, and maintain a high standard of ethics, integrity, and character? How about enforcing our laws through an independent DOJ?
TexasScientist said:Harrison Bergeron said:TexasScientist said:
Propaganda is what you get on Fox, and what is sponsored on social media by the Kremlin.
The only reason for you to turn a blind eye to corruption is because of ignorance, naivety, or you see a personal benefit.
Flat Earth - would you support a law that required every politician to return every dollar change between the first day sworn in office in his / her last day in office?
Flat Earth Boy - How about just requiring every politician to follow the laws, and maintain a high standard of ethics, integrity, and character? How about enforcing our laws through an independent DOJ?
KaiBear said:TexasScientist said:Harrison Bergeron said:TexasScientist said:
Propaganda is what you get on Fox, and what is sponsored on social media by the Kremlin.
The only reason for you to turn a blind eye to corruption is because of ignorance, naivety, or you see a personal benefit.
Flat Earth - would you support a law that required every politician to return every dollar change between the first day sworn in office in his / her last day in office?
Flat Earth Boy - How about just requiring every politician to follow the laws, and maintain a high standard of ethics, integrity, and character? How about enforcing our laws through an independent DOJ?
Before or after Biden gave a blanket pardon for his son ?
Osodecentx said:Osodecentx said:FLBear5630 said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Biden is NO longer President and hasn't been in a while, so not pertinent to the question of Trump's amazing Grif. Question: are there any of you who are OK with Trump and Family rapping and pillaging?
Please list specific evidence involving specific acts of pillaging.
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar. Whitkoff and little whitkoff getting rich with the Trump Boz, Melanie's book. who wants to read a book about a 3rrdworld hooker? $B in Crypto investments. Shall I continue with how Little Johnny and Old83 getting fleeced by the Gold Piggy!
Which of these actions are illegal ?
The Airplane was a gift to the office not to Trump. But you already knew that.
neverTrumper Rule #1: "l I don't like it, it's illegal."AlwaysTrumperDemocrat Rule #1 Nothing is illegal, Anything goes
FIFY
I learned the "if I don't like it, it's illegal" lesson in Republican meeting halls, listening to libertarian kooks oppose everything they didn't like as "unconstitutional." It's the ultimate losers' argument. When you make it, you cede the premise that the policy is an viable solution. Worse, by failing to make an argument that the policy is harmful or ineffective (and that you have a better alternative) you increase the likelihood the policy will pass into law, which then requires years and money (during which time that policy will be shaping pathological outcomes) to litigate the question of illegality or unconstitutionality. And you might well lose in court. Obamacare is a classic example of that dynamic.
I was posting on a thread where JR wrote:
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar.
The Trumps are enriching themselves by leveraging the office of president. Hunter B did it, now Don Jr and Eric are.
So there is no difference between the obvious "let me pay you a lot for doing nothing" stuff like Hunter did in Romania and Kazakhstan and China and Ukraine versus what Trump kids have done with real investments in a real companies?
Geez, give us a number of what Biden made so we can deduct it from Trumps haul. After all, your logic is Biden did it, Trump can do what he wants. So, let's just get a number. How much? How much total, including Hunter. DOGE can cut a check to Donald. That way we can discuss what the current Administration is doing....
Looks like Netflix needs to hire Barron Trump
Trump Looms Over Netflix's Deal for Warner Bros. Discovery
President Trump said the acquisition "could be a problem," suggesting he will insert himself into the regulatory review of the transaction.
They should have hired Barron when they could.
Trump's son in law has been hired by Paramount
TexasScientist said:Harrison Bergeron said:TexasScientist said:
Propaganda is what you get on Fox, and what is sponsored on social media by the Kremlin.
The only reason for you to turn a blind eye to corruption is because of ignorance, naivety, or you see a personal benefit.
Flat Earth - would you support a law that required every politician to return every dollar change between the first day sworn in office in his / her last day in office?
Flat Earth Boy - How about just requiring every politician to follow the laws, and maintain a high standard of ethics, integrity, and character? How about enforcing our laws through an independent DOJ?
Osodecentx said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:Osodecentx said:whiterock said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Biden is NO longer President and hasn't been in a while, so not pertinent to the question of Trump's amazing Grif. Question: are there any of you who are OK with Trump and Family rapping and pillaging?
Please list specific evidence involving specific acts of pillaging.
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar. Whitkoff and little whitkoff getting rich with the Trump Boz, Melanie's book. who wants to read a book about a 3rrdworld hooker? $B in Crypto investments. Shall I continue with how Little Johnny and Old83 getting fleeced by the Gold Piggy!
Which of these actions are illegal ?
The Airplane was a gift to the office not to Trump. But you already knew that.
neverTrumper Rule #1: "l I don't like it, it's illegal."AlwaysTrumperDemocrat Rule #1 Nothing is illegal, Anything goes
FIFY
I learned the "if I don't like it, it's illegal" lesson in Republican meeting halls, listening to libertarian kooks oppose everything they didn't like as "unconstitutional." It's the ultimate losers' argument. When you make it, you cede the premise that the policy is an viable solution. Worse, by failing to make an argument that the policy is harmful or ineffective (and that you have a better alternative) you increase the likelihood the policy will pass into law, which then requires years and money (during which time that policy will be shaping pathological outcomes) to litigate the question of illegality or unconstitutionality. And you might well lose in court. Obamacare is a classic example of that dynamic.
I was posting on a thread where JR wrote:
Meme coins, Trump Coins, $400M Airplane from terrorists for his own personal use (though at his library ) Trump Bible, Trump High Tops. golf course/liscence in Quatar.
The Trumps are enriching themselves by leveraging the office of president. Hunter B did it, now Don Jr and Eric are.
So there is no difference between the obvious "let me pay you a lot for doing nothing" stuff like Hunter did in Romania and Kazakhstan and China and Ukraine versus what Trump kids have done with real investments in a real companies?
What are the Trump kids doing?
Sounds like they invested in companies and brought new products to market. Hunter did none of that. HE was the investment. The product was the presidency of the United States of America.
Vulcan Elements, a rare-earth magnets startup backed by Donald Trump Jr.'s VC firm 1789 Capital, has secured a $620 million contract from the U.S. Department of Defense, as reported by the Financial Times. A little-known rare earths start-up with about 30 employees has won a blockbuster funding deal from the Pentagon.
In the months following Donald Trump's return to the White House, a little-known venture fund with ties to the Trump family quietly crossed a milestone: $1 billion in assets.
The firm, 1789 Capital, was once a niche experiment that aimed to align equity investing with conservative political values.
With the addition of Don Jr., the fund has gained extraordinary access to political power.
LOL. the hypocrisy......
Don Jr. INVESTS HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF HIS OWN DOLLARS in a company at the nexus of both the telecom and defense industries.....and its the exact same thing as Hunter investing nothing but taken a $1m/yr salary as an "advisor" and providing nothing of value to the company at all except a cell phone number to a single VIP?
Very foolish, sir. You are better than this.
Don Trump Jr just secured a $620 million contract from his father' dept of defense. Don Jr didn't join the firm until after the election.
The company has 30 employees
J.R. said:
Biden is NO longer President and hasn't been in a while, so not pertinent to the question of Trump's amazing Grif. Question: are there any of you who are OK with Trump and Family rapping and pillaging?
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Trump pardoned a criminal that his financial company does business with. The man pleade guilty and was sentenced. When asked about it Trump claimed he knew nothing about it. He also pardoned one of the biggest cocain lords in the world. Hard to believe his "war on drugs" is real. He finally calmed the Epstien investigation
Slurp. How can you believe anything he says?
J.R. said:
Now, we have young Jared fhrowing in on one of the grifter in chief 's deals. While, I'm no "grifter family" Jared and Ivanca seem to be the smartest of the bunch and seem to have a little class.
FLBear5630 said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Trump pardoned a criminal that his financial company does business with. The man pleade guilty and was sentenced. When asked about it Trump claimed he knew nothing about it. He also pardoned one of the biggest cocain lords in the world. Hard to believe his "war on drugs" is real. He finally calmed the Epstien investigation
Slurp. How can you believe anything he says?
Either Biden did something at some point in his career or you really just don't get it or you are flaming liberal. Take your pick why you are wrong.
KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Now, we have young Jared fhrowing in on one of the grifter in chief 's deals. While, I'm no "grifter family" Jared and Ivanca seem to be the smartest of the bunch and seem to have a little class.
Little class …..compared to who ?
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:FLBear5630 said:Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
Trump pardoned a criminal that his financial company does business with. The man pleade guilty and was sentenced. When asked about it Trump claimed he knew nothing about it. He also pardoned one of the biggest cocain lords in the world. Hard to believe his "war on drugs" is real. He finally calmed the Epstien investigation
Slurp. How can you believe anything he says?
Either Biden did something at some point in his career or you really just don't get it or you are flaming liberal. Take your pick why you are wrong.
Which of these two stories am I wrong about? Do you find Trump to be a truthful man? I have never voted for a dem beyond the county level. I have voted for republican presidents until trump ran. I think America has had poor leadership at the presidential level.
J.R. said:KaiBear said:J.R. said:
Now, we have young Jared fhrowing in on one of the grifter in chief 's deals. While, I'm no "grifter family" Jared and Ivanca seem to be the smartest of the bunch and seem to have a little class.
Little class …..compared to who ?
all relative bro! My mama used to tell me "money cant buy class"..hum