Iran Revolution

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Married A Horn
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-shutdown-protests-intensify-amid-leadership-shake-up-deepening-crisis

They are marching all over Iran, not just in Tehran. Shouting 'Death to Khamenei'.

I think this has been building for awhile, but I am curious to see if this brings in a new more secular government that is USA friendly again.

And could that lead to a fall in Islam around the world?

(Islam is not a religion. It is political conquest masquerading as a religion.)
Realitybites
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The last few times this has happened, nothing came of it.

Lets see.

As far as its influence on Islam, I don't think it will matter much. Islam is an alien religion to the Persians, and the Shia flavor of it is considered an apostasy by the majority Sunni adherents.



Paul Cooper did a good podcast on the rise and fall of the Persian empire, but doesn't really get into the Islamic conquest of Iran which came later.



LIB,MR BEARS
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I'm not holding my breath. There have been several false starts
Married A Horn
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Idk. This one is starting to seem pretty serious.

Russia not able to prop them up this time.
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Married A Horn said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-shutdown-protests-intensify-amid-leadership-shake-up-deepening-crisis

They are marching all over Iran, not just in Tehran. Shouting 'Death to Khamenei'.

I think this has been building for awhile, but I am curious to see if this brings in a new more secular government that is USA friendly again.

And could that lead to a fall in Islam around the world?

(Islam is not a religion. It is political conquest masquerading as a religion.)


All religions are inherently a mix of political and cultural movements bcs god does not exist.
LIB,MR BEARS
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Clotting factor
Human eye
Monarch butterfly lifecycle and migration
Giraffe circulatory system
Woodpecker brain/tongue relationship
Flounder start normal then turn flat
Guidance in bees/birds/fish
Octopus intelligence and camouflage
DNA
Termite/microbe relationship one needs the other
Sea turtles hatching at night and head to the ocean instinctively
Stomach enzymes vs stomach lining

And on
And on
And on

In your view I guess these are all just happy little accidents?
The_barBEARian
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

Clotting factor
Human eye
Monarch butterfly lifecycle and migration
Giraffe circulatory system
Woodpecker brain/tongue relationship
Flounder start normal then turn flat
Guidance in bees/birds/fish
Octopus intelligence and camouflage
DNA
Termite/microbe relationship one needs the other
Sea turtles hatching at night and head to the ocean instinctively
Stomach enzymes vs stomach lining

And on
And on
And on

In your view I guess these are all just happy little accidents?


Can you prove otherwise?

Married A Horn
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The_barBEARian said:

Married A Horn said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-shutdown-protests-intensify-amid-leadership-shake-up-deepening-crisis

They are marching all over Iran, not just in Tehran. Shouting 'Death to Khamenei'.

I think this has been building for awhile, but I am curious to see if this brings in a new more secular government that is USA friendly again.

And could that lead to a fall in Islam around the world?

(Islam is not a religion. It is political conquest masquerading as a religion.)


All religions are inherently a mix of political and cultural movements bcs god does not exist.


Come to my Wednesday night class - we are going over all the proofs, including using archaeology history science and philosophy. But, your faith in atheism is probably stronger... Even though it violates pretty much every law of sience that's out there (evolution - big bang)
Married A Horn
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Mardo Soghom, a veteran Iran expert who has written extensively about the nation, told Fox News Digital that "There is little doubt that President Trump's warning to Iran's Islamic rulers will embolden Iranians, but the fact is that they began their recent protests before Trump made those comments. Most of the Iranians opposed to the regime, especially those inside the country protesting in the streets, are asking for Israeli or U.S. assistance in sort of disarming the regime and neutralizing its forces of repression."

Widespread protests in Iran over state of the economy.

He added, "The current round of protests in Iran is different from previous rounds. People are not asking for reforms, but unanimously and categorically they are aiming for regime change. The protests are also more forceful. This time around, the people are less afraid of the notorious security forces and appear more determined."
The_barBEARian
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Married A Horn said:

The_barBEARian said:

Married A Horn said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-shutdown-protests-intensify-amid-leadership-shake-up-deepening-crisis

They are marching all over Iran, not just in Tehran. Shouting 'Death to Khamenei'.

I think this has been building for awhile, but I am curious to see if this brings in a new more secular government that is USA friendly again.

And could that lead to a fall in Islam around the world?

(Islam is not a religion. It is political conquest masquerading as a religion.)


All religions are inherently a mix of political and cultural movements bcs god does not exist.


Come to my Wednesday night class - we are going over all the proofs, including using archaeology history science and philosophy. But, your faith in atheism is probably stronger... Even though it violates pretty much every law of sience that's out there (evolution - big bang)


Is your class in DFW or online?
LIB,MR BEARS
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The_barBEARian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Clotting factor
Human eye
Monarch butterfly lifecycle and migration
Giraffe circulatory system
Woodpecker brain/tongue relationship
Flounder start normal then turn flat
Guidance in bees/birds/fish
Octopus intelligence and camouflage
DNA
Termite/microbe relationship one needs the other
Sea turtles hatching at night and head to the ocean instinctively
Stomach enzymes vs stomach lining

And on
And on
And on

In your view I guess these are all just happy little accidents?


Can you prove otherwise?



Prove? You can't prove we're having this conversation. This may be the matrix.

Evidence is a totally different thing however and, there is plenty of evidence.
The_barBEARian
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

The_barBEARian said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

Clotting factor
Human eye
Monarch butterfly lifecycle and migration
Giraffe circulatory system
Woodpecker brain/tongue relationship
Flounder start normal then turn flat
Guidance in bees/birds/fish
Octopus intelligence and camouflage
DNA
Termite/microbe relationship one needs the other
Sea turtles hatching at night and head to the ocean instinctively
Stomach enzymes vs stomach lining

And on
And on
And on

In your view I guess these are all just happy little accidents?


Can you prove otherwise?



Prove? You can't prove we're having this conversation. This may be the matrix.

Evidence is a totally different thing however and, there is plenty of evidence.


Plenty of evidence of what exactly?
Married A Horn
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The_barBEARian said:

Married A Horn said:

The_barBEARian said:

Married A Horn said:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/iran-shutdown-protests-intensify-amid-leadership-shake-up-deepening-crisis

They are marching all over Iran, not just in Tehran. Shouting 'Death to Khamenei'.

I think this has been building for awhile, but I am curious to see if this brings in a new more secular government that is USA friendly again.

And could that lead to a fall in Islam around the world?

(Islam is not a religion. It is political conquest masquerading as a religion.)


All religions are inherently a mix of political and cultural movements bcs god does not exist.


Come to my Wednesday night class - we are going over all the proofs, including using archaeology history science and philosophy. But, your faith in atheism is probably stronger... Even though it violates pretty much every law of sience that's out there (evolution - big bang)


Is your class in DFW or online?


North Richland Hills
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Iran has a young population and is dealing with high youth unemployment and lots of government corruption…the regime is unstable


[Demographically, the Islamic Republic is experiencing a generational shift that will profoundly influence both its internal politics and its place in the world. Although it ranks among the older countries of the Middle East, Iran's population structure is unique and deeply significant in political terms. During the 1980s and 1990s, the country witnessed a pronounced "youth bulge" as a result of high fertility rates that prevailed during the Pahlavi era. The impact of this demographic surge has proven long-lasting; as of 2010, over 60 percent of Iran's population was estimated to be under age 30. Today, almost 40 percent of Iran's roughly 86 million citizens are 24 years old or younger.

These figures are deeply significant, because they serve as the basis for a widening rift between the Iranian regime and the country's captive population. Put simply, a majority of Iranians either were not yet alive or were not old enough to be politically aware when Khomeini's Islamic Revolution occurred 45 years ago. As a result, Iran's younger generations lack any formative experience with the Revolution and its underlying tenets or the ideological bonds that might tether them firmly to the current regime in Tehran. Iran's population, in other words, cannot be counted on to stay committed to the Revolution in the absence of favorable internal conditions. And on that score, the news is decidedly not good for the country's ruling clerical regime. ]

https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/rethinking-irans-future
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Redbrickbear said:

Iran has a young population and is dealing with high youth unemployment and lots of government corruption…the regime is unstable


[Demographically, the Islamic Republic is experiencing a generational shift that will profoundly influence both its internal politics and its place in the world. Although it ranks among the older countries of the Middle East, Iran's population structure is unique and deeply significant in political terms. During the 1980s and 1990s, the country witnessed a pronounced "youth bulge" as a result of high fertility rates that prevailed during the Pahlavi era. The impact of this demographic surge has proven long-lasting; as of 2010, over 60 percent of Iran's population was estimated to be under age 30. Today, almost 40 percent of Iran's roughly 86 million citizens are 24 years old or younger.

These figures are deeply significant, because they serve as the basis for a widening rift between the Iranian regime and the country's captive population. Put simply, a majority of Iranians either were not yet alive or were not old enough to be politically aware when Khomeini's Islamic Revolution occurred 45 years ago. As a result, Iran's younger generations lack any formative experience with the Revolution and its underlying tenets or the ideological bonds that might tether them firmly to the current regime in Tehran. Iran's population, in other words, cannot be counted on to stay committed to the Revolution in the absence of favorable internal conditions. And on that score, the news is decidedly not good for the country's ruling clerical regime. ]

https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/rethinking-irans-future


Damn Red... you are eating up this hasbara bull**** now?

I know we are getting older but dont do it.. resist the urge to become a Boomer.

Let Israel pay for its own weapons and fight its own wars.
Realitybites
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Redbrickbear said:

Iran has a young population and is dealing with high youth unemployment and lots of government corruption…the regime is unstable


[Demographically, the Islamic Republic is experiencing a generational shift that will profoundly influence both its internal politics and its place in the world. Although it ranks among the older countries of the Middle East, Iran's population structure is unique and deeply significant in political terms. During the 1980s and 1990s, the country witnessed a pronounced "youth bulge" as a result of high fertility rates that prevailed during the Pahlavi era. The impact of this demographic surge has proven long-lasting; as of 2010, over 60 percent of Iran's population was estimated to be under age 30. Today, almost 40 percent of Iran's roughly 86 million citizens are 24 years old or younger.

These figures are deeply significant, because they serve as the basis for a widening rift between the Iranian regime and the country's captive population. Put simply, a majority of Iranians either were not yet alive or were not old enough to be politically aware when Khomeini's Islamic Revolution occurred 45 years ago. As a result, Iran's younger generations lack any formative experience with the Revolution and its underlying tenets or the ideological bonds that might tether them firmly to the current regime in Tehran. Iran's population, in other words, cannot be counted on to stay committed to the Revolution in the absence of favorable internal conditions. And on that score, the news is decidedly not good for the country's ruling clerical regime. ]

https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/rethinking-irans-future

So based on this analysis, what you're seeing in Iran is the sort of generational fourth turning, the sort of thing that is putting DSA politicans in power here in blue states, seeing historic Christian confessions supplant evangelicalism and pentecostalism, and seeing America First paleoconservatism replace neoconservatism?

Interesting. I suppose that is possible.

More than 50,000 Mosques In Iran Have Closed

"The claim that 50,000 of Iran's 75,000 mosques have closed due to lack of attendance taps into a broader, well-documented trend: a noticeable decline in religious observance and mosque attendance across Iran, especially among younger generations. Iranian officials and clerics themselves have acknowledged this shift in recent years. In 2023, prominent religious figures publicly expressed concern over dwindling mosque participation, with some citing that only a fraction of mosques see regular activity, particularly during daily prayers. Factors contributing to this include growing secularism, disillusionment with the clerical establishment, and the younger population's increasing exposure"

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The_barBEARian said:

All religions are inherently a mix of political and cultural movements bcs god does not exist.


"Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now My kingdom is not of this realm." (John 18:36)
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The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:

Iran has a young population and is dealing with high youth unemployment and lots of government corruption…the regime is unstable


[Demographically, the Islamic Republic is experiencing a generational shift that will profoundly influence both its internal politics and its place in the world. Although it ranks among the older countries of the Middle East, Iran's population structure is unique and deeply significant in political terms. During the 1980s and 1990s, the country witnessed a pronounced "youth bulge" as a result of high fertility rates that prevailed during the Pahlavi era. The impact of this demographic surge has proven long-lasting; as of 2010, over 60 percent of Iran's population was estimated to be under age 30. Today, almost 40 percent of Iran's roughly 86 million citizens are 24 years old or younger.

These figures are deeply significant, because they serve as the basis for a widening rift between the Iranian regime and the country's captive population. Put simply, a majority of Iranians either were not yet alive or were not old enough to be politically aware when Khomeini's Islamic Revolution occurred 45 years ago. As a result, Iran's younger generations lack any formative experience with the Revolution and its underlying tenets or the ideological bonds that might tether them firmly to the current regime in Tehran. Iran's population, in other words, cannot be counted on to stay committed to the Revolution in the absence of favorable internal conditions. And on that score, the news is decidedly not good for the country's ruling clerical regime. ]

https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/rethinking-irans-future


Damn Red... you are eating up this hasbara bull**** now?

I know we are getting older but dont do it.. resist the urge to become a Boomer.

Let Israel pay for its own weapons and fight its own wars.


He's just older and wiser, waiting for you young pups to see the light.

Ah youth, when you think you know everything…
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Realitybites said:

Redbrickbear said:

Iran has a young population and is dealing with high youth unemployment and lots of government corruption…the regime is unstable


[Demographically, the Islamic Republic is experiencing a generational shift that will profoundly influence both its internal politics and its place in the world. Although it ranks among the older countries of the Middle East, Iran's population structure is unique and deeply significant in political terms. During the 1980s and 1990s, the country witnessed a pronounced "youth bulge" as a result of high fertility rates that prevailed during the Pahlavi era. The impact of this demographic surge has proven long-lasting; as of 2010, over 60 percent of Iran's population was estimated to be under age 30. Today, almost 40 percent of Iran's roughly 86 million citizens are 24 years old or younger.

These figures are deeply significant, because they serve as the basis for a widening rift between the Iranian regime and the country's captive population. Put simply, a majority of Iranians either were not yet alive or were not old enough to be politically aware when Khomeini's Islamic Revolution occurred 45 years ago. As a result, Iran's younger generations lack any formative experience with the Revolution and its underlying tenets or the ideological bonds that might tether them firmly to the current regime in Tehran. Iran's population, in other words, cannot be counted on to stay committed to the Revolution in the absence of favorable internal conditions. And on that score, the news is decidedly not good for the country's ruling clerical regime. ]

https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/rethinking-irans-future

So based on this analysis, what you're seeing in Iran is the sort of generational fourth turning, the sort of thing that is putting DSA politicans in power here in blue states, seeing historic Christian confessions supplant evangelicalism and pentecostalism, and seeing America First paleoconservatism replace neoconservatism?

Interesting. I suppose that is possible.

More than 50,000 Mosques In Iran Have Closed

"The claim that 50,000 of Iran's 75,000 mosques have closed due to lack of attendance taps into a broader, well-documented trend: a noticeable decline in religious observance and mosque attendance across Iran, especially among younger generations. Iranian officials and clerics themselves have acknowledged this shift in recent years. In 2023, prominent religious figures publicly expressed concern over dwindling mosque participation, with some citing that only a fraction of mosques see regular activity, particularly during daily prayers. Factors contributing to this include growing secularism, disillusionment with the clerical establishment, and the younger population's increasing exposure"




Your mistake is believing that evangelicalism and confession do not go hand-in-hand. I assume it goes back to your misunderstanding of salvation and focus on doing good works to attain it.
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The_barBEARian said:

Redbrickbear said:

Iran has a young population and is dealing with high youth unemployment and lots of government corruption…the regime is unstable


[Demographically, the Islamic Republic is experiencing a generational shift that will profoundly influence both its internal politics and its place in the world. Although it ranks among the older countries of the Middle East, Iran's population structure is unique and deeply significant in political terms. During the 1980s and 1990s, the country witnessed a pronounced "youth bulge" as a result of high fertility rates that prevailed during the Pahlavi era. The impact of this demographic surge has proven long-lasting; as of 2010, over 60 percent of Iran's population was estimated to be under age 30. Today, almost 40 percent of Iran's roughly 86 million citizens are 24 years old or younger.

These figures are deeply significant, because they serve as the basis for a widening rift between the Iranian regime and the country's captive population. Put simply, a majority of Iranians either were not yet alive or were not old enough to be politically aware when Khomeini's Islamic Revolution occurred 45 years ago. As a result, Iran's younger generations lack any formative experience with the Revolution and its underlying tenets or the ideological bonds that might tether them firmly to the current regime in Tehran. Iran's population, in other words, cannot be counted on to stay committed to the Revolution in the absence of favorable internal conditions. And on that score, the news is decidedly not good for the country's ruling clerical regime. ]

https://www.afpc.org/publications/articles/rethinking-irans-future


Damn Red... you are eating up this hasbara bull**** now?

I know we are getting older but dont do it.. resist the urge to become a Boomer.

Let Israel pay for its own weapons and fight its own wars.


I recommend no specific course of action on Iran.

(and certainly NOT a long-term occupation by American troops or land war with Iran)

Just pointing out the Regime in Tehran has a real problem on its hands with corruption, incompetence, and a youth population that is not happy with the current rulers & is particularly in love with them.
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boognish_bear said:




Looks promising

We need members of the military to flip
Realitybites
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boognish_bear said:




Maybe. Not like the Ayatollahs are good guys. On the other hand, this article says "The opposition-linked National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) said Friday that security forces killed a significant number of protesters overnight in several cities, particularly Tehran and Karaj. The group said repression forces opened fire on civilians in the Fardis area of Karaj, leaving at least 10 young people killed or wounded in one incidentclaims that could not be independently verified."

Further in the article it says "Footage verified by Reuters from Tehran showed hundreds of demonstrators marching, with at least one woman heard shouting, "Death to Khamenei!" Other chants included slogans supporting the monarchy."

Somehow I have a feeling that pro-freedom protests aren't calling for the return of monarchy. Bringing back the Shah sounds more like a CIA plot.
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If the killing continues another day, I expect an Israel style leaflet drop in the area around one or two of the police stations requesting the crowd to disperse. Shortly afterwards I expect the police station to become ruble and some Iranian leaders will get a phone call from a US, perhaps asking if they are aware of the lethality of a B2. Maybe asking them if they'd like a demonstration.
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Realitybites said:

boognish_bear said:



Somehow I have a feeling that pro-freedom protests aren't calling for the return of monarchy. Bringing back the Shah sounds more like a CIA plot.

Nor do they have much sympathy for the MEK, the left-wing terrorist group and long-time US proxy that reportedly has a hand in the protests. If astroturf were real, this would have grass stains all over it.
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whiterock said:




SEC. Yes
Venezuela. maybe
Cuba. Doubtful


Iran no way
Realitybites
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whiterock said:




I'm not really sure that you can say that Venezuela's authoritarian regime has fallen just because you replaced Maduro with his #2 while leaving all his command and control structures in place. I suppose that helps prevent the sort of chaotic collapse we saw after the failed Iraq war.

We can consider the SEC to be in the same situation when the Big 12's commissioner swoops in and steals one of their teams.
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That was some impressive grip strength at the :13 mark

Married A Horn
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LIB,MR BEARS said:

I'm not holding my breath. There have been several false starts


What are your thoughts at this point? It looks almost certain for me at this point. I think its the real deal. Trump instilled confidence and courage in the Iranians and they arent stopping.
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