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KaiBear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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KaiBear said:

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Black 18 year old day care worker intentionally sufficates 11 month old white baby.

Says she was seeking 'attention'.

Wonder how much media attention tampon Tim brings to this murder ?


Prtobably little to none.

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This isn't hard. If this is a true story, 18 year old should never see this side of the bars again.

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2 different local media outlets have detailed the murder and her arrest.

Have not seen it mentioned on any national media.

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I'm not questioning what you're saying. I'm spending the day listening to "baby Beluga" and "Baby Shark"

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Yeah

No one thought you would give a *****

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.

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You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

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Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.

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C'mon man, people don't spend a lot of time worrying about "stupid criminals". There's so many of them, and life happens. Humans can't cry over every single loss across the globe. She intentionally ran into the man, objectively evident to anyone who's paying attention. And no she didn't try to run him over in my opinion.
Its sad for both, especially her. There should be a fair investigation conducted in the normal manner around officer shootings.

But if this was anything other than politically motivated ICE hate, people would have moved on from this story.

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I don't think the evidence is clear. She was looking over her left shoulder, then quickly to her right side as she accelerated, with the sun directly in her eyes and her wheels turned hard to the right, pretty clearly trying to escape. You're saying in that moment she made a precise, split-second calculation to bump the officer and give him a bruise without causing serious injury. Is it possible? Yes, but far from likely. The much simpler explanation is that she was reckless and in a hurry and he happened to be in the way. The video arguably supports Frank Galvin's hypothesis that she never saw him in front of her.

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historian said:

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TexasScientist said:

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historian said:

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The woman committed suicide by law enforcement authority. It was incredibly stupid but she made lots of stupid divisions before then, including even being there.

What kind of person shows up at a location where criminals are being arrested with the purpose of preventing justice? And then expects to be treated like a hero and even worse, often is? The fascists are becoming crazier every day with plenty of help from fascist politicians and the fascist propaganda machine (aka the "media"). Nick Shirley is a better journalist than anyone with a Pulitzer in recent years or anyone else in MSM.

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I think you're question and comment is spot on about her being there. However, you continute to misunderstand the term fascist. Facists make up a part of the extreme right - look it up.

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I gave a very clear understanding of the term "fascist" and it's not what most people assume, especially on the Left. Fascists are not a part of the right, but the Left. The truth of the matter is that many on the Left are actually fascists without realizing or understanding it. And the violence that many are perpetrating in 21st America are too similar to what the black shirts and brown shirts did in 1920s Italy & Germany.

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Fascism is an economic system not a political one. Anyone who uses it in a political sense - like Flat Earth - underscores their ignorance.

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It's both. The two are often intertwined. However, it is best understood economically. That's the mistake usually made: Leftists think of it strictly in political terms. The political aspects flow from the economic. It's a variation of socialism.

Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.

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You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

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Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.

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C'mon man, people don't spend a lot of time worrying about "stupid criminals". There's so many of them, and life happens. Humans can't cry over every single loss across the globe. She intentionally ran into the man, objectively evident to anyone who's paying attention. And no she didn't try to run him over in my opinion.
Its sad for both, especially her. There should be a fair investigation conducted in the normal manner around officer shootings.

But if this was anything other than politically motivated ICE hate, people would have moved on from this story.

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I don't think the evidence is clear. She was looking over her left shoulder, then quickly to her right side as she accelerated, with the sun directly in her eyes and her wheels turned hard to the right, pretty clearly trying to escape. You're saying in that moment she made a precise, split-second calculation to bump the officer and give him a bruise without causing serious injury. Is it possible? Yes, but far from likely. The much simpler explanation is that she was reckless and in a hurry and he happened to be in the way. The video arguably supports Frank Galvin's hypothesis that she never saw him in front of her.

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historian said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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TexasScientist said:

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historian said:

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The woman committed suicide by law enforcement authority. It was incredibly stupid but she made lots of stupid divisions before then, including even being there.

What kind of person shows up at a location where criminals are being arrested with the purpose of preventing justice? And then expects to be treated like a hero and even worse, often is? The fascists are becoming crazier every day with plenty of help from fascist politicians and the fascist propaganda machine (aka the "media"). Nick Shirley is a better journalist than anyone with a Pulitzer in recent years or anyone else in MSM.

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I think you're question and comment is spot on about her being there. However, you continute to misunderstand the term fascist. Facists make up a part of the extreme right - look it up.

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I gave a very clear understanding of the term "fascist" and it's not what most people assume, especially on the Left. Fascists are not a part of the right, but the Left. The truth of the matter is that many on the Left are actually fascists without realizing or understanding it. And the violence that many are perpetrating in 21st America are too similar to what the black shirts and brown shirts did in 1920s Italy & Germany.

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Fascism is an economic system not a political one. Anyone who uses it in a political sense - like Flat Earth - underscores their ignorance.

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It's both. The two are often intertwined. However, it is best understood economically. That's the mistake usually made: Leftists think of it strictly in political terms. The political aspects flow from the economic. It's a variation of socialism.

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Correct. I think the MECE framework is helpful (in general). Employing that, the political aspects of Italy's historical fascism can fall into the authoritarian category of political systems leaving "fascism" to stand in the political system spectrum. Regardless. most leftists are ignorant morons that have no idea what is fascism.

Johnny Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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TexasScientist said:

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historian said:

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The woman committed suicide by law enforcement authority. It was incredibly stupid but she made lots of stupid divisions before then, including even being there.

What kind of person shows up at a location where criminals are being arrested with the purpose of preventing justice? And then expects to be treated like a hero and even worse, often is? The fascists are becoming crazier every day with plenty of help from fascist politicians and the fascist propaganda machine (aka the "media"). Nick Shirley is a better journalist than anyone with a Pulitzer in recent years or anyone else in MSM.

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I think you're question and comment is spot on about her being there. However, you continute to misunderstand the term fascist. Facists make up a part of the extreme right - look it up.

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I gave a very clear understanding of the term "fascist" and it's not what most people assume, especially on the Left. Fascists are not a part of the right, but the Left. The truth of the matter is that many on the Left are actually fascists without realizing or understanding it. And the violence that many are perpetrating in 21st America are too similar to what the black shirts and brown shirts did in 1920s Italy & Germany.

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Fascism is an economic system not a political one. Anyone who uses it in a political sense - like Flat Earth - underscores their ignorance.

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It's both. The two are often intertwined. However, it is best understood economically. That's the mistake usually made: Leftists think of it strictly in political terms. The political aspects flow from the economic. It's a variation of socialism.

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Regardless. most leftists are ignorant morons that have no idea what is fascism.

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To most leftists "a fascist" is anybody that disagrees with me politically. Period.

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Use of masked police squads count? Or threatening anyone who disagrees? The Fascist?

FLBear5630 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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historian said:

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TexasScientist said:

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historian said:

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The woman committed suicide by law enforcement authority. It was incredibly stupid but she made lots of stupid divisions before then, including even being there.

What kind of person shows up at a location where criminals are being arrested with the purpose of preventing justice? And then expects to be treated like a hero and even worse, often is? The fascists are becoming crazier every day with plenty of help from fascist politicians and the fascist propaganda machine (aka the "media"). Nick Shirley is a better journalist than anyone with a Pulitzer in recent years or anyone else in MSM.

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I think you're question and comment is spot on about her being there. However, you continute to misunderstand the term fascist. Facists make up a part of the extreme right - look it up.

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I gave a very clear understanding of the term "fascist" and it's not what most people assume, especially on the Left. Fascists are not a part of the right, but the Left. The truth of the matter is that many on the Left are actually fascists without realizing or understanding it. And the violence that many are perpetrating in 21st America are too similar to what the black shirts and brown shirts did in 1920s Italy & Germany.

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Fascism is an economic system not a political one. Anyone who uses it in a political sense - like Flat Earth - underscores their ignorance.

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It's both. The two are often intertwined. However, it is best understood economically. That's the mistake usually made: Leftists think of it strictly in political terms. The political aspects flow from the economic. It's a variation of socialism.

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Regardless. most leftists are ignorant morons that have no idea what is fascism.

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To most leftists "a fascist" is anybody that disagrees with me politically. Period.

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Use of masked police squads count? Or threatening anyone who disagrees? The Fascist?

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No. You're a ****king ignorant rhettatd. You're a freaking clown. It's amazing how anyone can be so freaking stupid.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.

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You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

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Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.

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Do you blame the Capitol Police for killing Aslhlee Babbitt?

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Not even the same situation. Ashley didn't drive a car into the cop,and didn't have any weapons.

Though I admit I haven't studied it. From the brief video I saw, the cop seemed to shoot the person least threatening. Seemed to be a very strange choice. So yes I blame the cop.

Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.

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You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

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Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.

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C'mon man, people don't spend a lot of time worrying about "stupid criminals". There's so many of them, and life happens. Humans can't cry over every single loss across the globe. She intentionally ran into the man, objectively evident to anyone who's paying attention. And no she didn't try to run him over in my opinion.
Its sad for both, especially her. There should be a fair investigation conducted in the normal manner around officer shootings.

But if this was anything other than politically motivated ICE hate, people would have moved on from this story.

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I don't think the evidence is clear. She was looking over her left shoulder, then quickly to her right side as she accelerated, with the sun directly in her eyes and her wheels turned hard to the right, pretty clearly trying to escape. You're saying in that moment she made a precise, split-second calculation to bump the officer and give him a bruise without causing serious injury. Is it possible? Yes, but far from likely. The much simpler explanation is that she was reckless and in a hurry and he happened to be in the way. The video arguably supports Frank Galvin's hypothesis that she never saw him in front of her.

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Not from what I saw, but to be fair I can look again to see if I've missed that.

It seems to me the cops video makes it clear she was looking right at him and accelerated into him.

The wheels turned only indicates that she likely was trying to flee, and did not intend to run over him.

At the end of the day, it should be investigated like any officer shooting. But given the circumstances, I don't think the cop will be found to have done anything wrong.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.

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You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

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Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.

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C'mon man, people don't spend a lot of time worrying about "stupid criminals". There's so many of them, and life happens. Humans can't cry over every single loss across the globe. She intentionally ran into the man, objectively evident to anyone who's paying attention. And no she didn't try to run him over in my opinion.
Its sad for both, especially her. There should be a fair investigation conducted in the normal manner around officer shootings.

But if this was anything other than politically motivated ICE hate, people would have moved on from this story.

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I don't think the evidence is clear. She was looking over her left shoulder, then quickly to her right side as she accelerated, with the sun directly in her eyes and her wheels turned hard to the right, pretty clearly trying to escape. You're saying in that moment she made a precise, split-second calculation to bump the officer and give him a bruise without causing serious injury. Is it possible? Yes, but far from likely. The much simpler explanation is that she was reckless and in a hurry and he happened to be in the way. The video arguably supports Frank Galvin's hypothesis that she never saw him in front of her.

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Not from what I saw, but to be fair I can look again to see if I've missed that.

It seems to me the cops video makes it clear she was looking right at him and accelerated into him.

The wheels turned only indicates that she likely was trying to flee, and did not intend to run over him.

At the end of the day, it should be investigated like any officer shooting. But given the circumstances, I don't think the cop will be found to have done anything wrong.

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I've found that the investigations usually get it right, and I include the Babbitt case in that. They will probably get it right in this case, even though it's a more difficult one, assuming there is a legitimate investigation. The fact that half a dozen prosecutors have resigned over it is more than a little troubling, however.

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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They can use a LAAW and you will say it is warranted if it is Trump!

whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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When did it shift from the police defending us to us defending the cops that shot a lady pulling away?

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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When did it shift from the police defending us to us defending the cops that shot a lady pulling away?

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When you traitors started lying about everything law enforcement does.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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whiterock said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Vehicle was in park when he stepped in front. She reversed, put it in drive, looked directly at the agent and floored it, hitting him and getting justice as she drove.

FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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Wow. You really have zero integrity.

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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You are so ****ing stupid. ICE arrested more than 16K pedos last years. It's its number 1 job.

The reason you freaking rhetard is the sanctuary cities in democrat controlled areas don't cooperate and release pedos if they're illegal aliens. Turn off the View you're embarrassing yourself and America with your ignorance.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Vehicle was in park when he stepped in front. She reversed, put it in drive, looked directly at the agent and floored it, hitting him and getting justice as she drove.

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Not really, but in that case he was trained to get out of the way, not to dispense justice.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Vehicle was in park when he stepped in front. She reversed, put it in drive, looked directly at the agent and floored it, hitting him and getting justice as she drove.

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Not really, but in that case he was trained to get out of the way, not to dispense justice.

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Unless, of course, he didn't have time to get out of the way because of the speed of the attempted murderer who hit him with her SUV.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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You are so ****ing stupid. ICE arrested more than 16K pedos last years. It's its number 1 job.

The reason you freaking rhetard is the sanctuary cities in democrat controlled areas don't cooperate and release pedos if they're illegal aliens. Turn off the View you're embarrassing yourself and America with your ignorance.

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My favorite lie that he posted was that it was just an immigration violation and she was just driving away and he shot her four times for it.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Vehicle was in park when he stepped in front. She reversed, put it in drive, looked directly at the agent and floored it, hitting him and getting justice as she drove.

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Not really, but in that case he was trained to get out of the way, not to dispense justice.

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Unless, of course, he didn't have time to get out of the way because of the speed of the attempted murderer who hit him with her SUV.

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I'm not sure what you're referring to. We were talking about the Renee Good shooting in Minneapolis earlier this month.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Vehicle was in park when he stepped in front. She reversed, put it in drive, looked directly at the agent and floored it, hitting him and getting justice as she drove.

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Not really, but in that case he was trained to get out of the way, not to dispense justice.

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Unless, of course, he didn't have time to get out of the way because of the speed of the attempted murderer who hit him with her SUV.

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I'm not sure what you're referring to. We were talking about the Renee Good shooting in Minneapolis earlier this month.

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Right topic. You should take some time and view the videos of the incident. You might stop embarrassing yourself here if you do.

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

---

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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Wow. You really have zero integrity.

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And what does integrity have to do with a proportional response? Actually, your integrity is more in question than mine if you are good with what is going on in Minneapolis over green card violations.

She was wrong, no doubt. But she deserved to die? Four shots? That is two, two shot burst or a 3 shot and a single to the upper body and head from close range. Integrity, huh... Anybody that knows weapons, think about that and your training.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

---

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

---

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

---

I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

---

ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

---

Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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Wow. You really have zero integrity.

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And what does integrity have to do with a proportional response? Actually, your integrity is more in question than mine if you are good with what is going on in Minneapolis over green card violations.

She was wrong, no doubt. But she deserved to die? Four shots? That is two, two shot burst or a 3 shot and a single to the upper body and head from close range. Integrity, huh... Anybody that knows weapons, think about that and your training.

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Dude you'll excuse anything it seems.
Cop was rammed with a vehicle.
Ice has been rounding illegals up safely for years and are still doing it.
Difference is now people on the left and people like you actively support or defend people physically interfering with Leos doing their jobs.
Let ICE do their jobs, like the majority of Americans wanted, and everything would be fine. Sadly people like you like comfort the real law breakers, because you don't have a standard other than appeasing progressives that cry loudly.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

---

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

---

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

---

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

---

I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

---

ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

---

Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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Wow. You really have zero integrity.

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And what does integrity have to do with a proportional response? Actually, your integrity is more in question than mine if you are good with what is going on in Minneapolis over green card violations.

She was wrong, no doubt. But she deserved to die? Four shots? That is two, two shot burst or a 3 shot and a single to the upper body and head from close range. Integrity, huh... Anybody that knows weapons, think about that and your training.

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Dude you'll excuse anything it seems.
Cop was rammed with a vehicle.
Ice has been rounding illegals up safely for years and are still doing it.
Difference is now people on the left and people like you actively support or defend people physically interfering with Leos doing their jobs.
Let ICE do their jobs, like the majority of Americans wanted, and everything would be fine. Sadly people like you like comfort the real law breakers, because you don't have a standard other than appeasing progressives that cry loudly.

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exactly. Zero integrity.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

---

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

---

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

---

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

---

I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

---

ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

---

Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

---

Wow. You really have zero integrity.

---

And what does integrity have to do with a proportional response? Actually, your integrity is more in question than mine if you are good with what is going on in Minneapolis over green card violations.

She was wrong, no doubt. But she deserved to die? Four shots? That is two, two shot burst or a 3 shot and a single to the upper body and head from close range. Integrity, huh... Anybody that knows weapons, think about that and your training.

---

Dude you'll excuse anything it seems.
Cop was rammed with a vehicle.
Ice has been rounding illegals up safely for years and are still doing it.
Difference is now people on the left and people like you actively support or defend people physically interfering with Leos doing their jobs.
Let ICE do their jobs, like the majority of Americans wanted, and everything would be fine. Sadly people like you like comfort the real law breakers, because you don't have a standard other than appeasing progressives that cry loudly.

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That cuts both ways. In terms of this forum, you haven't seen contempt for the law until you've been here calling for due process for immigrants.

Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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Wow. You really have zero integrity.

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And what does integrity have to do with a proportional response? Actually, your integrity is more in question than mine if you are good with what is going on in Minneapolis over green card violations.

She was wrong, no doubt. But she deserved to die? Four shots? That is two, two shot burst or a 3 shot and a single to the upper body and head from close range. Integrity, huh... Anybody that knows weapons, think about that and your training.

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Dude you'll excuse anything it seems.
Cop was rammed with a vehicle.
Ice has been rounding illegals up safely for years and are still doing it.
Difference is now people on the left and people like you actively support or defend people physically interfering with Leos doing their jobs.
Let ICE do their jobs, like the majority of Americans wanted, and everything would be fine. Sadly people like you like comfort the real law breakers, because you don't have a standard other than appeasing progressives that cry loudly.

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That cuts both ways. In terms of this forum, you haven't seen contempt for the law until you've been here calling for due process for immigrants.

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Those responses aren't contempt for law, they're contempt for your lies claiming the illegals didn't receive due process.

Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

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that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

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We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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Wow. You really have zero integrity.

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And what does integrity have to do with a proportional response? Actually, your integrity is more in question than mine if you are good with what is going on in Minneapolis over green card violations.

She was wrong, no doubt. But she deserved to die? Four shots? That is two, two shot burst or a 3 shot and a single to the upper body and head from close range. Integrity, huh... Anybody that knows weapons, think about that and your training.

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Dude you'll excuse anything it seems.
Cop was rammed with a vehicle.
Ice has been rounding illegals up safely for years and are still doing it.
Difference is now people on the left and people like you actively support or defend people physically interfering with Leos doing their jobs.
Let ICE do their jobs, like the majority of Americans wanted, and everything would be fine. Sadly people like you like comfort the real law breakers, because you don't have a standard other than appeasing progressives that cry loudly.

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That cuts both ways. In terms of this forum, you haven't seen contempt for the law until you've been here calling for due process for immigrants.

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Those responses aren't contempt for law, they're contempt for your lies claiming the illegals didn't receive due process.

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Case in point.

Sam Lowry said:

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Wangchung said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

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Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

---

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

---

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

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I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

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ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

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Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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Wow. You really have zero integrity.

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And what does integrity have to do with a proportional response? Actually, your integrity is more in question than mine if you are good with what is going on in Minneapolis over green card violations.

She was wrong, no doubt. But she deserved to die? Four shots? That is two, two shot burst or a 3 shot and a single to the upper body and head from close range. Integrity, huh... Anybody that knows weapons, think about that and your training.

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Dude you'll excuse anything it seems.
Cop was rammed with a vehicle.
Ice has been rounding illegals up safely for years and are still doing it.
Difference is now people on the left and people like you actively support or defend people physically interfering with Leos doing their jobs.
Let ICE do their jobs, like the majority of Americans wanted, and everything would be fine. Sadly people like you like comfort the real law breakers, because you don't have a standard other than appeasing progressives that cry loudly.

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That cuts both ways. In terms of this forum, you haven't seen contempt for the law until you've been here calling for due process for immigrants.

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Those responses aren't contempt for law, they're contempt for your lies claiming the illegals didn't receive due process.

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Case in point.

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Yes, because calling out your lies means we don't like due process.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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whiterock said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

---

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

---

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.

Officer & Decorated Iraq War Veteran suffered internal injuries, treated by doctors, according to officials. New angle showing the Minneapolis Ice Shooting in slow motion, 1/7/26 #c... https://t.co/XBKj1K6nev via @YouTube

— @Dawn (@DawnStensland) January 15, 2026

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Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

---

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

---

I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

---

ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

---

Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.

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Wow. You really have zero integrity.

---

And what does integrity have to do with a proportional response? Actually, your integrity is more in question than mine if you are good with what is going on in Minneapolis over green card violations.

She was wrong, no doubt. But she deserved to die? Four shots? That is two, two shot burst or a 3 shot and a single to the upper body and head from close range. Integrity, huh... Anybody that knows weapons, think about that and your training.

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Dude you'll excuse anything it seems.
Cop was rammed with a vehicle.
Ice has been rounding illegals up safely for years and are still doing it.
Difference is now people on the left and people like you actively support or defend people physically interfering with Leos doing their jobs.
Let ICE do their jobs, like the majority of Americans wanted, and everything would be fine. Sadly people like you like comfort the real law breakers, because you don't have a standard other than appeasing progressives that cry loudly.

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Why no investigation? That is standard SOP? Why? Because they know the answer. The officer had to take one step to the right to avoid the car. Four shots at close range? Hell, they could have let he go and picked her up at her home.

There is no investigation because they don't want to prosecute and THAT is causing the issues in MN right now. You don't think there are attorneys that have contracts to evaluate Police shootings in MN? You don't think they know what the process should be? This has been handled horribly and heavy-handed from the start.

Do you guys research anything before having an opinion? Seriously, do you even ask questions on how things should happen or what the standard is before spouting off?