Liberals know she accelerated into the man, they just don't care

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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 5:10p, 1/17/26
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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.


They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.


You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.


Do you blame the Capitol Police for killing Aslhlee Babbitt?


Not even the same situation. Ashley didn't drive a car into the cop,and didn't have any weapons.

Though I admit I haven't studied it. From the brief video I saw, the cop seemed to shoot the person least threatening. Seemed to be a very strange choice. So yes I blame the cop.

We certainly agree here. No way Ashley should have shot dead, she wasn't really a threat.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 5:52p, 1/17/26
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The woman committed suicide by law enforcement authority. It was incredibly stupid but she made lots of stupid divisions before then, including even being there.

What kind of person shows up at a location where criminals are being arrested with the purpose of preventing justice? And then expects to be treated like a hero and even worse, often is? The fascists are becoming crazier every day with plenty of help from fascist politicians and the fascist propaganda machine (aka the "media"). Nick Shirley is a better journalist than anyone with a Pulitzer in recent years or anyone else in MSM.

I think you're question and comment is spot on about her being there. However, you continute to misunderstand the term fascist. Facists make up a part of the extreme right - look it up.

I gave a very clear understanding of the term "fascist" and it's not what most people assume, especially on the Left. Fascists are not a part of the right, but the Left. The truth of the matter is that many on the Left are actually fascists without realizing or understanding it. And the violence that many are perpetrating in 21st America are too similar to what the black shirts and brown shirts did in 1920s Italy & Germany.


Fascism is an economic system not a political one. Anyone who uses it in a political sense - like Flat Earth - underscores their ignorance.

It's both. The two are often intertwined. However, it is best understood economically. That's the mistake usually made: Leftists think of it strictly in political terms. The political aspects flow from the economic. It's a variation of socialism.

Regardless. most leftists are ignorant morons that have no idea what is fascism.

To most leftists "a fascist" is anybody that disagrees with me politically. Period.


Use of masked police squads count? Or threatening anyone who disagrees? The Fascist?

Masked thugs fighting police on behalf of violent criminals are far more fascist than legal authorities trying to protect the people from those criminals. The fact that they wear masks to protect themselves & their families does not impact that analysis one iota.

This is not rocket science.
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In reply to TinFoilHatPreacherBear • 5:55p, 1/17/26
Renee Good tried to run over a cop with her SUV. The vehicle itself is a dangerous weapon. I've seen multiple videos from different angles and they are all pretty clear what she was doing, especially the cop's body cam. And the cop sustained serious injuries from her attempted murder.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 5:59p, 1/17/26
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Sam Lowry said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.


I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.


Illegal aliens and green card violators are criminals, by definition. Most of those arrested by ICE were also guilty of other offenses, usually violent felonies like rape, murder, child rape, etc.
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In reply to historian • 6:02p, 1/17/26
historian said:
Renee Good tried to run over a cop with her SUV. The vehicle itself is a dangerous weapon. I've seen multiple videos from different angles and they are all pretty clear what she was doing, especially the cop's body cam. And the cop sustained serious injuries from her attempted murder.

Yep, it's amazing to me that they blame the cop for being rammed. "He should have stepped out of the way" - such a doofus comment. Like anyone expects a person to speed into them from a parked position. TDS affects judgement for these people. I don't know that I've seen all the videos, and I may have an incomplete picture, so I'm good with them having an investigation of course, I think there should be one. All I can say is that the videos I've seen make it clear she rammed him with her vehicle - and it appears to be while looking directly at him.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 7:45p, 1/17/26
FLBear5630 said:
Sam Lowry said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.


I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

ICE agents and LEOs in general are trained not to position themselves in front of a moving vehicle, much less with guns drawn, in order to prevent its escape. If they can safely move out of the way without firing, they must do so.

That's what would have happened if his training had kicked in.

Thank you...

We are talking immigration here, not criminal.

Why are we going full ballistic on illegal aliens or Green Card violations? If they are criminal, gang members or cartel, ICS shouldn't be apprehending show the evidence, get a warrant, get the Police or Federal Law Enforcement and arrest them. But, we are talking immigration violations here that are going south into shooting women driving away 4 times. And anyone that questions is the one that is looked at strange????

I am surprised at the Texas guys, like us in Florida, illegal aliens have been a part of life forever. Go to any Home Depot in the morning and you can hire them for day work.



Yes, our government has failed us for years. Thankfully we are finally enforcing our bipartisan immigration laws.
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In reply to historian • 8:38p, 1/17/26
historian said:
FLBear5630 said:
Johnny Bear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
historian said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
historian said:
TexasScientist said:
historian said:
The woman committed suicide by law enforcement authority. It was incredibly stupid but she made lots of stupid divisions before then, including even being there.

What kind of person shows up at a location where criminals are being arrested with the purpose of preventing justice? And then expects to be treated like a hero and even worse, often is? The fascists are becoming crazier every day with plenty of help from fascist politicians and the fascist propaganda machine (aka the "media"). Nick Shirley is a better journalist than anyone with a Pulitzer in recent years or anyone else in MSM.

I think you're question and comment is spot on about her being there. However, you continute to misunderstand the term fascist. Facists make up a part of the extreme right - look it up.

I gave a very clear understanding of the term "fascist" and it's not what most people assume, especially on the Left. Fascists are not a part of the right, but the Left. The truth of the matter is that many on the Left are actually fascists without realizing or understanding it. And the violence that many are perpetrating in 21st America are too similar to what the black shirts and brown shirts did in 1920s Italy & Germany.


Fascism is an economic system not a political one. Anyone who uses it in a political sense - like Flat Earth - underscores their ignorance.

It's both. The two are often intertwined. However, it is best understood economically. That's the mistake usually made: Leftists think of it strictly in political terms. The political aspects flow from the economic. It's a variation of socialism.

Regardless. most leftists are ignorant morons that have no idea what is fascism.

To most leftists "a fascist" is anybody that disagrees with me politically. Period.


Use of masked police squads count? Or threatening anyone who disagrees? The Fascist?

Masked thugs fighting police on behalf of violent criminals are far more fascist than legal authorities trying to protect the people from those criminals. The fact that they wear masks to protect themselves & their families does not impact that analysis one iota.

This is not rocket science.


That dude has become a Minnesota bull dyke in three weeks.
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In reply to Forest Bueller III • 11:06p, 1/17/26
Forest Bueller III said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Sam Lowry said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.


They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.


You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.


Do you blame the Capitol Police for killing Aslhlee Babbitt?


Not even the same situation. Ashley didn't drive a car into the cop,and didn't have any weapons.

Though I admit I haven't studied it. From the brief video I saw, the cop seemed to shoot the person least threatening. Seemed to be a very strange choice. So yes I blame the cop.

We certainly agree here. No way Ashley should have shot dead, she wasn't really a threat.


My friend, I readily admit you are smarter than I am.

However if anyone is crazy enough to harass me for an extended period of time…..then hits me with a vehicle she is driving.

I am going to open up on her.

Then let the rest of the world argue what constitutes 'really' a threat. From the safe and secure distance of 20 / 20 hindsight.

Because if I did nothing…..only God knows what the crazy ***** would have done next.

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 6:14a, 1/18/26
FLBear5630 said:
whiterock said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.

They can use a LAAW and you will say it is warranted if it is Trump!

Nope. Just citing law, precedence, and facts. A car is a deadly weapon. Using a deadly weapon to harm a LEO justifies use of deadly force by LEO. Any time. Anywhere.

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 6:17a, 1/18/26
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.

We were talking about the Good head shot (completely justified, given the circumstances) and then you conflate it with the Venezuelan gang member shooting (also completely justified). That latter was shot in the leg reflects tactical reality - officer did not fire on a shooting range in a Chapman Stance. He fired in a real-life hand to hand struggle with a suspect, who was resisting, when 2 additional people emerged and started bashing the officer about the head and shoulders with a snow shovel. He had to attempt to disengage, retreat, and draw into a strong-hand retention stance (which protects the weapon from assailants) while instinctively trying to fend off blows from a deadly weapon. Accuracy would understandably be further compromised if if the officer was on the ground at the time.

Both a car and a shovel are deadly weapons. Not really debateable. A blow to the head with a shovel can kill you graveyard dead. Its a heavy metal object with a sharp edge.


I'm not conflating it with the recent leg shooting. You're the one doing that.
Clearly in a struggle it's anything goes. I was explaining that officers will not aim for the leg because they are trained repeatedly to only shoot at "kill areas". They don't point a pistol and aim to shoot a gun out of some bad guys hand, or shoot bad guys in the foot, etc, life is not like the TV. They are trained to shoot to kill (neutralize the threat per Florida). Once the lady rammed him with the car and he decided to shoot, training kicked in and he neutralized the threat. That's all that I was pointing out.

I'm not Sam, I'm the guy defending the cops here, the recent leg shooting was a struggle and clearly justified as far as we know right now. Very different situation than aiming to shoot someone from a distance.

When did it shift from the police defending us to us defending the cops that shot a lady pulling away?

she wasn't pulling away. She was driving thru a LEO in front of her car. She struck him. The blow left internal injuries.

LEOs are also trained that someone who attacks them with deadly force is a threat to the entire community.....
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All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.


They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.


You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.


Do you blame the Capitol Police for killing Aslhlee Babbitt?


Not even the same situation. Ashley didn't drive a car into the cop,and didn't have any weapons.

Though I admit I haven't studied it. From the brief video I saw, the cop seemed to shoot the person least threatening. Seemed to be a very strange choice. So yes I blame the cop.

We certainly agree here. No way Ashley should have shot dead, she wasn't really a threat.


My friend, I readily admit you are smarter than I am.

However if anyone is crazy enough to harass me for an extended period of time…..then hits me with a vehicle she is driving.

I am going to open up on her.

Then let the rest of the world argue what constitutes 'really' a threat. From the safe and secure distance of 20 / 20 hindsight.

Because if I did nothing…..only God knows what the crazy ***** would have done next.


Forest has a point. Babbitt was unarmed and did not pose a threat to life/limb or the officer. Not a justifiable shooting in that narrow context. The only way her shooting could be justified is that she was attempting insurrection, and I'm pretty sure there isn't a lot of statute or court precedence on use of deadly force in that scenario.....who decides when the threshold is crossed between riot and insurrection? A single officer facing an uarmed woman in a window? Justifying the Babbitt shooting is very, very soft ground. Not at all like the Good shooting, which was a classic example of a good use of force.
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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?
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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?
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Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?


They were attempting to arrest. One of the ICE agents was moving around the vehicle towards the driver's side to help in the arrest when the driver attempted to flee by driver through that ICE agent.

Watch ALL the videos. It was clearly self defense. She was 100% in the wrong. She was looking right at the agent when she struck him with her SUV. The agent used appropriate force to stop the violent attack.

Your real issue is that you don't like the fact that ICE is deporting illegal aliens. It is causing you to see things in a biased filter that justifies assault with a deadly weapon against LEO. If this was a drug dealer shot during a drug bust, you probably would defend the LEO. Because it was an anti-ICE protestor who was obstructing justice and then attempting to evade arrest by killing a LEO... you are taking the side of the crazy, criminal lezbo.
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whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Sam Lowry said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.


They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.


You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.


Do you blame the Capitol Police for killing Aslhlee Babbitt?


Not even the same situation. Ashley didn't drive a car into the cop,and didn't have any weapons.

Though I admit I haven't studied it. From the brief video I saw, the cop seemed to shoot the person least threatening. Seemed to be a very strange choice. So yes I blame the cop.

We certainly agree here. No way Ashley should have shot dead, she wasn't really a threat.


My friend, I readily admit you are smarter than I am.

However if anyone is crazy enough to harass me for an extended period of time…..then hits me with a vehicle she is driving.

I am going to open up on her.

Then let the rest of the world argue what constitutes 'really' a threat. From the safe and secure distance of 20 / 20 hindsight.

Because if I did nothing…..only God knows what the crazy ***** would have done next.


Forest has a point. Babbitt was unarmed and did not pose a threat to life/limb or the officer. Not a justifiable shooting in that narrow context. The only way her shooting could be justified is that she was attempting insurrection, and I'm pretty sure there isn't a lot of statute or court precedence on use of deadly force in that scenario.....who decides when the threshold is crossed between riot and insurrection? A single officer facing an uarmed woman in a window? Justifying the Babbitt shooting is very, very soft ground. Not at all like the Good shooting, which was a classic example of a good use of force.

Forest is an excellent poster.....regularly has a lot of good points.

However in my view,,,,it was a clean shoot.

After all the crap she had pulled PRIOR to hitting the ICE agent with the vehicle......there was no telling what she was going to do next.





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FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?
Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.
Our vibrations were getting nasty. But why? I was puzzled, frustrated... Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

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Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.
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FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

Incorrect as usual. ICE regular arrests tens of thousands of violent offenders every year.

What other agency has angry, disinformed Karens actively interfering in their work and how do they handle it?

You're a disinformed clown
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whiterock said:
KaiBear said:
Forest Bueller III said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
Harrison Bergeron said:
Sam Lowry said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
FLBear5630 said:
TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:
whiterock said:
Forest Bueller III said:
Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:
All the videos cleary show both of his feet were to the left of the vehicle when he fires. He shot her as she was leaving. One bullet went in the far left of the windshield. The other two went through the left window and killed her. Why? It doesnt matter if she was a carpet muncher or an idiot or an aggie. She was a human.

Virtually nobody on her seems to be willing to accept this fact. She was a human being. The last 2 shots he was completely out of any harm's way and simply fired in anger as he called her a "****ing *****".

Not only that, those last two shots, endangered others, and put a vehicle completely out of control, accelerating when she slumped forward dead, which could have killed or injured others on the ground.


There are reasons there is police policy not to do things this officer did.

that argument is as full of it as the proverbial Christmas Goose. Not just wrong, but maliciously so.

The officer was in front of the car. Was struck by the car. Was hospitalized with internal bleeding. = a superhighway of legal precedent about that. A car is a deadly weapon. Any person who attacks a police officer with a deadly weapon is a threat the the community which must be stopped. What she did was no different, legally, than pulling a firearm/knife on an officer. The moment she hit the accelerator, she became a threat to the entire community.

This is as about as clear a case of justified shooting as it gets. Please quit the neverTrump nonsense. It's going to get more people killed, officers and public alike.




Leo's are trained to shoot to kill. If they fire their gun, it means their life or another's is in danger. They are trained to never aim for a leg because that would mean they shot when their life wasn't in danger. Shoot center mass, shoot to kill, or don't shoot.


They are not taught to shoot to kill. And shooting center mass does not mean shoot to kill. They are taught to stop the threat, not kill and center mass is a shooting technique to increase odds of hitting the target in high stress situations to stop a threat. They prefer the person not to die, which is why they immediately call for paramedics. LEO goal is not to kill, read their motto to serve and protect. They are trained to de-escalate. If involved in a shooting something went very wrong. If someone dies, something went horribly wrong.

This is where the masks and tactical gear come in on routine apprehensions. They de-humanize the officer and make it easier to go violent. People do not want to kill people, it is harder to hurt who you know. Put a mask on and it is no longer a person. This lady was not a sociopath killer, yet the officers escalated and dehumanized. This apprehension went terribly wrong. Yet, no one wants to admit it or fix it. Just blame the lady. Better yet, train to shoot to kill right?

Geez, you guys are playing too many online shooting games. Go to a war zone, dont even need to be combat troop. Just be there and see the carnage, Or better yet clean up after. Death is serious, not a phrase. People dont get a second life like Call of Duty. Dead is dead.


You're right but we're saying the same thing. You're using the politically correct language that sounds good. They do shoot to neutralize the threat and stop it, that is why they shoot center mass. You will likely never hear a cop say that they purposely aimed and shot a person in the leg - it'd have to be something very unusual.

And of course they want people to live, but shooting center mass is about neutralizing a person, they shoot to kill, and hope the person stops being a threat and lives. Who wouldn't prefer that? You don't like the terminology, that's fine. It's unsavory language. OK. They shoot center mass, typically multiple rounds, to neutralize. I'm good with that take.

And we all know it went wrong. We all know it's terrible. We all think it's terrible that she intentionally drove into the officer. We all think it's terrible that he felt the need to kill her.
Doesn't change that it happened, and it shouldn't be used by the press to show ICE officers as evil.

Yes, the outpouring of grief in the SicEm community over the death of the [checks notes] "fat dyke" has been deeply moving. Ditto the rush to judge her intentions on the flimsiest of evidence.


Do you blame the Capitol Police for killing Aslhlee Babbitt?


Not even the same situation. Ashley didn't drive a car into the cop,and didn't have any weapons.

Though I admit I haven't studied it. From the brief video I saw, the cop seemed to shoot the person least threatening. Seemed to be a very strange choice. So yes I blame the cop.

We certainly agree here. No way Ashley should have shot dead, she wasn't really a threat.


My friend, I readily admit you are smarter than I am.

However if anyone is crazy enough to harass me for an extended period of time…..then hits me with a vehicle she is driving.

I am going to open up on her.

Then let the rest of the world argue what constitutes 'really' a threat. From the safe and secure distance of 20 / 20 hindsight.

Because if I did nothing…..only God knows what the crazy ***** would have done next.


Forest has a point. Babbitt was unarmed and did not pose a threat to life/limb or the officer. Not a justifiable shooting in that narrow context. The only way her shooting could be justified is that she was attempting insurrection, and I'm pretty sure there isn't a lot of statute or court precedence on use of deadly force in that scenario.....who decides when the threshold is crossed between riot and insurrection? A single officer facing an uarmed woman in a window? Justifying the Babbitt shooting is very, very soft ground. Not at all like the Good shooting, which was a classic example of a good use of force.

That's the more interesting aspect of this tragedy, the double standard, extreme reaction of the radical leftists that were making fun of Babbitt on Tuesday and going hysterical about Good on Wednesday. It just shows these lunatics cannot be engaged with in a rational way.

Babbitt was unarmed, not posing a threat, and killed by a Didn't Earn It cop with a questionable record that likely would have gotten him fired if he was not a Didn't Earn It. Yet, the left are ready to make a statue out of hiim.

Good was interfering with law enforcement operations, posed a threat, and was killed after she struck the LEO with her car. The only reason the left and TDSers have a polarized reaction is because they're tribal idiots.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 11:47a, 1/18/26
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.
So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.
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In reply to Wangchung • 11:56a, 1/18/26
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.
So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.


He has been trolling for weeks.

Put him on ignore….works pretty well.
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In reply to KaiBear • 12:00p, 1/18/26
KaiBear said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.
So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.


He has been trolling for weeks.

Put him on ignore….works pretty well.


Yep. He's and Sam are just trolling at this point.
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In reply to Wangchung • 12:39p, 1/18/26
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.



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In reply to FLBear5630 • 12:42p, 1/18/26
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

She ran his ass over. Inflicted internal injuries in an LEO. And somehow it's the LEO's fault.

You're the one who's friggin' nuts. I mean stark raving lunatic level.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 12:47p, 1/18/26
" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 12:53p, 1/18/26
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.



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Oldbear83 said:
" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.
ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing
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4th and Inches said:
Oldbear83 said:
" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.
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In reply to Oldbear83 • 2:08p, 1/18/26
Oldbear83 said:
4th and Inches said:
Oldbear83 said:
" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.

And if Law Enforcement is doing something unlawful, do you have the right to call them out on it? Do you have the right to protest?
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:14p, 1/18/26
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
4th and Inches said:
Oldbear83 said:
" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.

And if Law Enforcement is doing something unlawful, do you have the right to call them out on it? Do you have the right to protest?
they werent doing anything unlawful but, yes, you have those rights until you overstep and obstruct.

Then you have the right to remain silent..
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2:15p, 1/18/26
Springsteen Denounces ICE Deployments and Renee Good's Killing
In a surprise appearance in New Jersey, the musician dedicated his song "The Promised Land" to Ms. Good, who was killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis this month.
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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:18p, 1/18/26
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.




Hey All,

this is the first time I've seen someone here actually try to claim this. " He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before " But in the video, the officer being hit occurs right before the woman was shot. Is Florida wrong, or my memory, or is the video wrong or fake?

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In reply to FLBear5630 • 2:19p, 1/18/26
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.





Wait, when did that happen?
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4th and Inches said:
FLBear5630 said:
Oldbear83 said:
4th and Inches said:
Oldbear83 said:
" This was an ICE officer, not a police officer"

I know you hate to hear it, FLBear, but ICE Officers ARE police officers.

ICE agents are not police officers; they are federal agents under the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, specifically tasked with enforcing immigration laws and conducting investigations related to customs and immigration violations. While they may wear uniforms that say "police" or "federal agent," their authority and functions differ from those of local police.

They do have the right to detain those that are obstructing

They are law enforcement.

That's good enough for law-abiding people.

And if Law Enforcement is doing something unlawful, do you have the right to call them out on it? Do you have the right to protest?

they werent doing anything unlawful but, yes, you have those rights until you overstep and obstruct.

Then you have the right to remain silent..

You don't know if they weren't doing anything, we won't know until the investigation is complete to what happened. Not one view of video on TV, not one interview with Noem. They are investigating the whole situation. That will determine what happened and who was wrong.

Yes, remain silent. Not shot dead...


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In reply to GrowlTowel • 2:21p, 1/18/26
GrowlTowel said:
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Wangchung said:
FLBear5630 said:
Realitybites said:
Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.





Wait, when did that happen?

We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead. Wangchung saw a TV clip and knows. Shut down the investigation.

God, I wish I was trolling. Sadly, these people are serious...
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