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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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Read the timeline, there is definitely some ambiguity. Take it for what it is worth. Does not seem skewed and is very time specific. Could it be? Sure, but it puts out a detailed timeline and HSA has not put out a timeline that contradicts this.

Points that caused me to have doubts.

First - she pulled diagonally and her partner got out to talk and video to officer.
Second- A car was passing, detailed enough to ID CA plates. She waved them by.
Third - Wheels were turned away from officer. She was reversing
Fourth - Officer was to front and left, not in front and shot through front windshield then vehicle went forward.

Was she agitating? Probably. Was she being polite? Probably not. Was her intent to disrupt? Definetley.

Was her intent to use her vehicle as a weapon? Those three points say no to me. You don't stop and leave your partner with the Police if your intent is to run them over. You don't wave by traffic with your wheels turned away. It looks like she dropped her off and was trying to get out of there and it went wrong.

OR at least need an investigation and a determination by third party, which is why I thought IG. There is too much conflicting info for anyone to know. And shooting someone to death is not a light act.

That is why I think the echo chamber is causing more harm that good. AND to keep claiming Officer safety blurs the lines of what happened.

We probably won't agree. But, at least both sides of the information is out there to make your own decision. Not just go with the Officer Safety and anyone that questions a fatal shooting is pro-criminal.


Minneapolis ICE shooting: A minute-by-minute timeline of how Renee Nicole Good died - Good Morning America

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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a couple days ago he and Sam swore the agent wasn't even in front of the vehicle and never got hit by the vehicle. They're just lying in order to troll.

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False.

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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She was parked there for over 3 minutes blaring her horn.

Which makes over half of what you typed absolute lies.

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

---

They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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She was parked there for over 3 minutes blaring her horn.

Which makes over half of what you typed absolute lies.

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Read the timeline. Everything I put in there is from the timeline.

****, blaring her horn? Put her down...

She was not a threat, she was trying to get out of there. She even told the ICE agent she wasn't mad at him.

Watch the video and read the timeline. This is going to end up blowing up for the poor Agent that reacted unreasonable and poorly because Noem and the Feds mishandled it. Now, it is going to go to trial. If they got on top of it, they probably would have been downgraded. Not now, it has become a mission for the left. When will the MAGA idiots figure out that they cannot just blow things off and get more heavy handed.

Watch...

Cherry-picking items out of context, and pretending an artificial review of subjective claims is equal or superior to simply addressing all of the relevant facts (especially applicable law), does not convey an appropriate perspective, nor move the conversation forward.

We know all the base facts now, and so both sides are relegated to basically repeating the same arguments over and over while review by the authorities proceeds.

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Cherry-picking items out of context, and pretending an artificial review of subjective claims is equal or superior to simply addressing all of the relevant facts (especially applicable law), does not convey an appropriate perspective, nor move the conversation forward.

We know all the base facts now, and so both sides are relegated to basically repeating the same arguments over and over while review by the authorities proceeds.

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Watch how this plays out. He has other reasonable recourse, shooting last resort. Job is bringing them in, not executing. He also broke numerous rules. He killed a person, that does not get swept under rug or rubber stamped.

Agree with maybe 8% of your last post. From what I have seen, this was self-defense and maybe the cleanest defense anyone in Minnesota can produce for their actions.

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

They seem to bristle at having to be part of the Government and its checks/balances, so they strike out that they don't need it or nothing was done wrong. Rather than saying they are part of the process.

I think the part MAGA doesn't get is they are right, they will never get the Progressives that are protesting and they have MAGA. It is the 48% Independents they have to worry about. Those people, I am one of them, value the US systems and processes. Going off saying we can do everything on Presidential Authority alone, even if technically legal, is going to alienate those votes the GOP needs. That is my analysis.

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58% percent of Independents don't think the killing was justified.

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

They seem to bristle at having to be part of the Government and its checks/balances, so they strike out that they don't need it or nothing was done wrong. Rather than saying they are part of the process.

I think the part MAGA doesn't get is they are right, they will never get the Progressives that are protesting and they have MAGA. It is the 48% Independents they have to worry about. Those people, I am one of them, value the US systems and processes. Going off saying we can do everything on Presidential Authority alone, even if technically legal, is going to alienate those votes the GOP needs. That is my analysis.

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58% percent of Independents don't think the killing was justified.

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What poll? CBS and CNN are known for having special definitions of 'Independent'

In any case, what matters are the facts, not what media sells.

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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Read the timeline, there is definitely some ambiguity. Take it for what it is worth. Does not seem skewed and is very time specific. Could it be? Sure, but it puts out a detailed timeline and HSA has not put out a timeline that contradicts this.

Points that caused me to have doubts.

First - she pulled diagonally and her partner got out to talk and video to officer.
Second- A car was passing, detailed enough to ID CA plates. She waved them by.
Third - Wheels were turned away from officer. She was reversing
Fourth - Officer was to front and left, not in front and shot through front windshield then vehicle went forward.

Was she agitating? Probably. Was she being polite? Probably not. Was her intent to disrupt? Definetley.

Was her intent to use her vehicle as a weapon? Those three points say no to me. You don't stop and leave your partner with the Police if your intent is to run them over. You don't wave by traffic with your wheels turned away. It looks like she dropped her off and was trying to get out of there and it went wrong.

OR at least need an investigation and a determination by third party, which is why I thought IG. There is too much conflicting info for anyone to know. And shooting someone to death is not a light act.

That is why I think the echo chamber is causing more harm that good. AND to keep claiming Officer safety blurs the lines of what happened.

We probably won't agree. But, at least both sides of the information is out there to make your own decision. Not just go with the Officer Safety and anyone that questions a fatal shooting is pro-criminal.


Minneapolis ICE shooting: A minute-by-minute timeline of how Renee Nicole Good died - Good Morning America

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Her "intent" cannot necessarily be known by the officer. I'm interested to see what the investigation says.

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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Read the timeline, there is definitely some ambiguity. Take it for what it is worth. Does not seem skewed and is very time specific. Could it be? Sure, but it puts out a detailed timeline and HSA has not put out a timeline that contradicts this.

Points that caused me to have doubts.

First - she pulled diagonally and her partner got out to talk and video to officer.
Second- A car was passing, detailed enough to ID CA plates. She waved them by.
Third - Wheels were turned away from officer. She was reversing
Fourth - Officer was to front and left, not in front and shot through front windshield then vehicle went forward.

Was she agitating? Probably. Was she being polite? Probably not. Was her intent to disrupt? Definetley.

Was her intent to use her vehicle as a weapon? Those three points say no to me. You don't stop and leave your partner with the Police if your intent is to run them over. You don't wave by traffic with your wheels turned away. It looks like she dropped her off and was trying to get out of there and it went wrong.

OR at least need an investigation and a determination by third party, which is why I thought IG. There is too much conflicting info for anyone to know. And shooting someone to death is not a light act.

That is why I think the echo chamber is causing more harm that good. AND to keep claiming Officer safety blurs the lines of what happened.

We probably won't agree. But, at least both sides of the information is out there to make your own decision. Not just go with the Officer Safety and anyone that questions a fatal shooting is pro-criminal.


Minneapolis ICE shooting: A minute-by-minute timeline of how Renee Nicole Good died - Good Morning America

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Her "intent" cannot necessarily be known by the officer. I'm interested to see what the investigation says.

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He intent is irrelevant.

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

---

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

---

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

---

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

---

Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

---

They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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Read the timeline, there is definitely some ambiguity. Take it for what it is worth. Does not seem skewed and is very time specific. Could it be? Sure, but it puts out a detailed timeline and HSA has not put out a timeline that contradicts this.

Points that caused me to have doubts.

First - she pulled diagonally and her partner got out to talk and video to officer.
Second- A car was passing, detailed enough to ID CA plates. She waved them by.
Third - Wheels were turned away from officer. She was reversing
Fourth - Officer was to front and left, not in front and shot through front windshield then vehicle went forward.

Was she agitating? Probably. Was she being polite? Probably not. Was her intent to disrupt? Definetley.

Was her intent to use her vehicle as a weapon? Those three points say no to me. You don't stop and leave your partner with the Police if your intent is to run them over. You don't wave by traffic with your wheels turned away. It looks like she dropped her off and was trying to get out of there and it went wrong.

OR at least need an investigation and a determination by third party, which is why I thought IG. There is too much conflicting info for anyone to know. And shooting someone to death is not a light act.

That is why I think the echo chamber is causing more harm that good. AND to keep claiming Officer safety blurs the lines of what happened.

We probably won't agree. But, at least both sides of the information is out there to make your own decision. Not just go with the Officer Safety and anyone that questions a fatal shooting is pro-criminal.


Minneapolis ICE shooting: A minute-by-minute timeline of how Renee Nicole Good died - Good Morning America

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That's a timeline by ABC news that is in no way definitive or official. It cannot be interpreted to be saying the agent fired before he is getting hit. It becomes suspect in leaving out the content of the conversations between participants at the scene.

Continuing to opine someone could just step out of the way of the vehicle while on an icy road isn't logical. My own opinion is that Good did not account for slippage in her driving as she tried to flee the scene and avoid arrest.

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

---

You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

---

Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

---

Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

---

So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

---

You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

---

Wait, when did that happen?

---

We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

---

They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

---

Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

---

From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

They seem to bristle at having to be part of the Government and its checks/balances, so they strike out that they don't need it or nothing was done wrong. Rather than saying they are part of the process.

I think the part MAGA doesn't get is they are right, they will never get the Progressives that are protesting and they have MAGA. It is the 48% Independents they have to worry about. Those people, I am one of them, value the US systems and processes. Going off saying we can do everything on Presidential Authority alone, even if technically legal, is going to alienate those votes the GOP needs. That is my analysis.

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58% percent of Independents don't think the killing was justified.

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What poll? CBS and CNN are known for having special definitions of 'Independent'

In any case, what matters are the facts, not what media sells.

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It was a YouGov poll.

A majority (53%) of Americans say that Ross was not justified in shooting Good. Only 28% say the shooting was justified. While majorities of Democrats (88%) and Independents (58%) believe the shooting was not justified, only 15% of Republicans agree. A majority (61%) of Republicans say that Ross was justified in shooting Good.

Of course it's just a poll, but a snapshot of what people are thinking.

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

They seem to bristle at having to be part of the Government and its checks/balances, so they strike out that they don't need it or nothing was done wrong. Rather than saying they are part of the process.

I think the part MAGA doesn't get is they are right, they will never get the Progressives that are protesting and they have MAGA. It is the 48% Independents they have to worry about. Those people, I am one of them, value the US systems and processes. Going off saying we can do everything on Presidential Authority alone, even if technically legal, is going to alienate those votes the GOP needs. That is my analysis.

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58% percent of Independents don't think the killing was justified.

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What poll? CBS and CNN are known for having special definitions of 'Independent'

In any case, what matters are the facts, not what media sells.

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It was a YouGov poll.

A majority (53%) of Americans say that Ross was not justified in shooting Good. Only 28% say the shooting was justified. While majorities of Democrats (88%) and Independents (58%) believe the shooting was not justified, only 15% of Republicans agree. A majority (61%) of Republicans say that Ross was justified in shooting Good.

Of course it's just a poll, but a snapshot of what people are thinking.

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YouGov tends to heavily oversample Democrats, and to consider left-leaning as 'independent'.

At least, they did through 2024. Have not bothered to look into the weeds of their polls since then.

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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Read the timeline, there is definitely some ambiguity. Take it for what it is worth. Does not seem skewed and is very time specific. Could it be? Sure, but it puts out a detailed timeline and HSA has not put out a timeline that contradicts this.

Points that caused me to have doubts.

First - she pulled diagonally and her partner got out to talk and video to officer.
Second- A car was passing, detailed enough to ID CA plates. She waved them by.
Third - Wheels were turned away from officer. She was reversing
Fourth - Officer was to front and left, not in front and shot through front windshield then vehicle went forward.

Was she agitating? Probably. Was she being polite? Probably not. Was her intent to disrupt? Definetley.

Was her intent to use her vehicle as a weapon? Those three points say no to me. You don't stop and leave your partner with the Police if your intent is to run them over. You don't wave by traffic with your wheels turned away. It looks like she dropped her off and was trying to get out of there and it went wrong.

OR at least need an investigation and a determination by third party, which is why I thought IG. There is too much conflicting info for anyone to know. And shooting someone to death is not a light act.

That is why I think the echo chamber is causing more harm that good. AND to keep claiming Officer safety blurs the lines of what happened.

We probably won't agree. But, at least both sides of the information is out there to make your own decision. Not just go with the Officer Safety and anyone that questions a fatal shooting is pro-criminal.


Minneapolis ICE shooting: A minute-by-minute timeline of how Renee Nicole Good died - Good Morning America

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Continuing to opine someone could just step out of the way of the vehicle while on an icy road isn't logical.

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I can see a certain logic to it since it is in fact what happened.

Sam can see a certain logic to it since it is what he wishes had happened.

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Oldbear83 said:

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Forest Bueller III said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

They seem to bristle at having to be part of the Government and its checks/balances, so they strike out that they don't need it or nothing was done wrong. Rather than saying they are part of the process.

I think the part MAGA doesn't get is they are right, they will never get the Progressives that are protesting and they have MAGA. It is the 48% Independents they have to worry about. Those people, I am one of them, value the US systems and processes. Going off saying we can do everything on Presidential Authority alone, even if technically legal, is going to alienate those votes the GOP needs. That is my analysis.

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58% percent of Independents don't think the killing was justified.

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What poll? CBS and CNN are known for having special definitions of 'Independent'

In any case, what matters are the facts, not what media sells.

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It was a YouGov poll.

A majority (53%) of Americans say that Ross was not justified in shooting Good. Only 28% say the shooting was justified. While majorities of Democrats (88%) and Independents (58%) believe the shooting was not justified, only 15% of Republicans agree. A majority (61%) of Republicans say that Ross was justified in shooting Good.

Of course it's just a poll, but a snapshot of what people are thinking.

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YouGov tends to heavily oversample Democrats, and to consider left-leaning as 'independent'.

At least, they did through 2024. Have not bothered to look into the weeds of their polls since then.

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A real problem we have that is a headwind to a functional democracy is what most Americans believe to be true. Most believe that tens of thousands of unarmed bleks are killed by police each year. Ignorance and disinformation lead to a very poorly informed public.

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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Read the timeline, there is definitely some ambiguity. Take it for what it is worth. Does not seem skewed and is very time specific. Could it be? Sure, but it puts out a detailed timeline and HSA has not put out a timeline that contradicts this.

Points that caused me to have doubts.

First - she pulled diagonally and her partner got out to talk and video to officer.
Second- A car was passing, detailed enough to ID CA plates. She waved them by.
Third - Wheels were turned away from officer. She was reversing
Fourth - Officer was to front and left, not in front and shot through front windshield then vehicle went forward.

Was she agitating? Probably. Was she being polite? Probably not. Was her intent to disrupt? Definetley.

Was her intent to use her vehicle as a weapon? Those three points say no to me. You don't stop and leave your partner with the Police if your intent is to run them over. You don't wave by traffic with your wheels turned away. It looks like she dropped her off and was trying to get out of there and it went wrong.

OR at least need an investigation and a determination by third party, which is why I thought IG. There is too much conflicting info for anyone to know. And shooting someone to death is not a light act.

That is why I think the echo chamber is causing more harm that good. AND to keep claiming Officer safety blurs the lines of what happened.

We probably won't agree. But, at least both sides of the information is out there to make your own decision. Not just go with the Officer Safety and anyone that questions a fatal shooting is pro-criminal.


Minneapolis ICE shooting: A minute-by-minute timeline of how Renee Nicole Good died - Good Morning America

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Continuing to opine someone could just step out of the way of the vehicle while on an icy road isn't logical.

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I can see a certain logic to it since it is in fact what happened.

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Putting 4 shots in her on a public street makes more sense.

Amazing the kinds of posts people leave when they completely abandon context.

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Putting 4 shots in her on a public street makes more sense.

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Well, he couldn't very well shoot her at home, or all the left-wing radicals would have crucified him for not having a warrant. These guys just can't catch a break, I'm telling you.

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Amazing the kinds of posts people leave when they completely abandon context.

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Yeah, stepping out if the way is just so unreasonable...

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Redbrickbear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

---

It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

They seem to bristle at having to be part of the Government and its checks/balances, so they strike out that they don't need it or nothing was done wrong. Rather than saying they are part of the process.

I think the part MAGA doesn't get is they are right, they will never get the Progressives that are protesting and they have MAGA. It is the 48% Independents they have to worry about. Those people, I am one of them, value the US systems and processes. Going off saying we can do everything on Presidential Authority alone, even if technically legal, is going to alienate those votes the GOP needs. That is my analysis.

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58% percent of Independents don't think the killing was justified.

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What poll? CBS and CNN are known for having special definitions of 'Independent'

In any case, what matters are the facts, not what media sells.

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It was a YouGov poll.

A majority (53%) of Americans say that Ross was not justified in shooting Good. Only 28% say the shooting was justified. While majorities of Democrats (88%) and Independents (58%) believe the shooting was not justified, only 15% of Republicans agree. A majority (61%) of Republicans say that Ross was justified in shooting Good.

Of course it's just a poll, but a snapshot of what people are thinking.

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Many think what their media outlet of choice….tells them to think.

Of course the millions of illegals still in the country are always going to hate ice

Amazing how so many individuals choose to forget Mexico does not permit illegals either.

And they certainly do not give them free housing , food and medical care.

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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She was parked there for over 3 minutes blaring her horn.

Which makes over half of what you typed absolute lies.

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Read the timeline. Everything I put in there is from the timeline.

****, blaring her horn? Put her down...

She was not a threat, she was trying to get out of there. She even told the ICE agent she wasn't mad at him.

Watch the video and read the timeline. This is going to end up blowing up for the poor Agent that reacted unreasonable and poorly because Noem and the Feds mishandled it. Now, it is going to go to trial. If they got on top of it, they probably would have been downgraded. Not now, it has become a mission for the left. When will the MAGA idiots figure out that they cannot just blow things off and get more heavy handed.

Watch...

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Lies. Lies and lies.

She was a threat behind several thousand pounds of vehicle.

Still no comments at all from those opposing ice about the violence from the left.

Just silence.

People being attacked.

Churches invaded.

And yet silence from the crowd worried about civil liberties, justice, due process, etc.

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Still no comments at all from those opposing ice about the violence from the left.

Just silence.

People being attacked.

Churches invaded.

And yet silence from the crowd worried about civil liberties, justice, due process, etc.

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Our resident Dems routinely go silent when their storm troopers …..kill burn and assault others.

These locals are the biggest hypocrites in the world.

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Still no comments at all from those opposing ice about the violence from the left.

Just silence.

People being attacked.

Churches invaded.

And yet silence from the crowd worried about civil liberties, justice, due process, etc.

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Arrest them. No Issues here. Break the law, arrest them. Arrest and let Judge and Jury do their thing. Shoot them, no.

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Still no comments at all from those opposing ice about the violence from the left.

Just silence.

People being attacked.

Churches invaded.

And yet silence from the crowd worried about civil liberties, justice, due process, etc.

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Your first mistake is believing they care about that. Tampon sent armed police to arrest people during 2020 for going outside and setup a Stassi-style snitch line. To LWNJs, civil liberties are a speed bump to their authoritarian dreams.

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Look, any single one of us who was serious about exercising all their constitutional rights would have opened fire on that driver if we were put in that situation. The fact that he was an ICE agent is incidental to the matter.

But the reality is that a lesbian Karen casualty isn't enough to get BLM to burn down Minneapolis a second time in January.

Look for the left to produce more such incidents as the weather improves.

Why hasn't Pam Blondi been rolling up Antifa cells?

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You would have opened fire? Rather than stepping out of the way as he is trained to do. That is the training and guidelines, not to put yourself in front of a vehicle and to move out of the way of moving vehicles.

You guys are frigging nuts, you de-escalate. These are law enforcement agents. Their job is NOT to kill people but to protect people from being killed.

Was she wrong? Yeah. Could she have been arrested, sure. Did she deserve to die?

What is your expectation for law enforcement? To shoot or to try and avoid shooting?

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Please, I beg you, I dare you, whatever it takes, please tell me how YOU would de-escalate those two dykes with the whistles who were repeatedly and intentionally blocking the ICE vehicles after finding them through ICEWatch. Show us what you got. This is your chance to shine.

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Have you watched it? Or read the minute-by-minute timeline? She was trying to leave. She is seen waving a car in front of here and then reverses, turns her wheel away from the Officer and moves forward. The Officer shoots 1 shot through the windshield and the car goes forward, and he shoots 3 times more. The car crashes. He was struck AFTER he fired a round through the windshield, not before.

This was an ICE officer, not a police officer. Let the law enforcement people that are trained to deal with civilian unrest deal with it. That is what they do. ICE serve Administrative warrants. Get the license and pick her up at home if she said something that bad.

As for de-escalating, one thing for sure shooting 4 times into a moving vehicle from close range ain't it...

Watch the video and read the timeline.

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So you're going with lying about what we plainly see on the many videos? And you of course have NO methods of de-escalation to suggest, just your fantasy that the two activists that had been harassing and blocking ICE vehicles all day were suddenly just trying to leave. Despite the car being in park across the road while her wife walked around and filmed. Face it, at this point you're just trolling.

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You are on the side of a big, Federalized Government that can shoot people without any investigation or questioning. The Government is right, the individual is wrong. Got it.

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Wait, when did that happen?

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We don't need no stinking investigation when Federal Officers shoot someone dead....

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They are in fact investigating this shooting

One of the reasons that you are so mad might be that you often make things up in your head…when the facts in the real world are quite different

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Yes, I know I posted it. I said that it what drives me nuts about this Administration. If they just say what they are doing and quit with the posturing and saying they don't have to it would help them tremendously.

This is the second time, Hegswith with the boat blowing up he escalated it for no reason. The SEAL Admiral professionally answered the questions and everything calmed down. Now, Noem. All she had to do was make this statement after the incident and the whole thing calms down.

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From the get go they said it was their view this was a justified shooting and that they were investigating it

Maybe it's others trying to inflame things and stoke a response

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It is a combination for sure. Others stoke it and they hit the lure like a bass every time.

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Lol, spoken by the one that hits the lure every time

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You can say with a straight face she deserved to be shot That ICE is handling this well?

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No, why would I say that? Deserved is not the right word.

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Exactly.

We had a US citizen shot 4 times from 2 locations for protesting.

Read the timeline. The car strick the Officer AFTER he fired through front windshield. Did she lose control after being hit? She pulled over to let her passenger out to video the arrest. It looks like she was pulling out and jad to wait for a car to pass. Read it.

Do you want masked Federal agents being able to shoot you with the assumption you are wrong, prove otherwise after you were shot?

Could she be arrested? Sure. Should she have been? Sure, if the officer was impeded. Four shots, one through the windshield and 3 through the side window?

Someone said how do you de-escalate. How about telling her to move the car? Happens hundreds of times a day.

Read the timeline. There are several. GMA has a write up down to the seconds based on video from HSA. GMA is not conservative so take that into account too.

Shooting should be last resort. This is not Fallujah.

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You believe that he shot the lady while the car was sitting there? That's what you think happened?

I'm not saying you are definitely wrong, I just don't believe that at this point.

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Read the timeline, there is definitely some ambiguity. Take it for what it is worth. Does not seem skewed and is very time specific. Could it be? Sure, but it puts out a detailed timeline and HSA has not put out a timeline that contradicts this.

Points that caused me to have doubts.

First - she pulled diagonally and her partner got out to talk and video to officer.
Second- A car was passing, detailed enough to ID CA plates. She waved them by.
Third - Wheels were turned away from officer. She was reversing
Fourth - Officer was to front and left, not in front and shot through front windshield then vehicle went forward.

Was she agitating? Probably. Was she being polite? Probably not. Was her intent to disrupt? Definetley.

Was her intent to use her vehicle as a weapon? Those three points say no to me. You don't stop and leave your partner with the Police if your intent is to run them over. You don't wave by traffic with your wheels turned away. It looks like she dropped her off and was trying to get out of there and it went wrong.

OR at least need an investigation and a determination by third party, which is why I thought IG. There is too much conflicting info for anyone to know. And shooting someone to death is not a light act.

That is why I think the echo chamber is causing more harm that good. AND to keep claiming Officer safety blurs the lines of what happened.

We probably won't agree. But, at least both sides of the information is out there to make your own decision. Not just go with the Officer Safety and anyone that questions a fatal shooting is pro-criminal.


Minneapolis ICE shooting: A minute-by-minute timeline of how Renee Nicole Good died - Good Morning America

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Continuing to opine someone could just step out of the way of the vehicle while on an icy road isn't logical.

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I can see a certain logic to it since it is in fact what happened.

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Since the suv suv hit the agent, you are wrong on purpose.

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Amazing the kinds of posts people leave when they completely abandon context.

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Yeah, stepping out if the way is just so unreasonable...

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You ever get out of Florida in the winter?

The U.S. Capitol Police officer who shot Ashli Babbitt, Lt. Michael Byrd, was cleared of wrongdoing by both the Department of Justice (DOJ) and the Capitol Police's internal investigation, with officials concluding his actions were lawful as he defended members of Congress from an advancing mob. Byrd faced intense public scrutiny, death threats, and went into hiding but later publicly identified himself, stating he acted to protect lives during the January 6th Capitol riot.
Investigations & Findings:

Department of Justice: Closed its investigation in April 2021, finding insufficient evidence to support criminal charges, determining the officer's actions were justified.

Capitol Police Internal Review: The Office of Professional Responsibility found the officer's conduct lawful and within department policy, noting his use of deadly force was to defend human life.

Officer Michael Byrd:
Role: A U.S. Capitol Police lieutenant who fired the fatal shot as Babbitt attempted to climb through a barricaded door into the Speaker's Lobby.
Aftermath: Received numerous threats and racist attacks, forcing him and his family into hiding for months.

Public Statement: Came forward in August 2021 to share his experience, stating he believed he saved lives by following training.

Controversy:
Babbitt, an Air Force veteran, became a martyr figure for some on the far-right, with figures like Donald Trump calling for accountability for the officer.
Her family considered a lawsuit, and accusations were made about the secrecy surrounding the officer's identity, which Byrd said was due to safety concerns.
Current Status:

Lt. Michael Byrd was exonerated by official investigations and is no longer facing disciplinary action, though the incident remains a polarizing topic.

"To LWNJs, civil liberties are a speed bump to their authoritarian dreams."

Harrison, just to clarify, are you saying that Trump has not and does not exhibit authoritarian behavior?

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Amazing the kinds of posts people leave when they completely abandon context.

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Yeah, stepping out if the way is just so unreasonable...

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Ramming a cop is always OK, to you.

Would not how one interprets the context of how a situation is presented depends on upon one's belief system? If one has a liberal or conservative belief system, would that not affect how they accept the information as true or false or at least questionable, if the context creates dissonance?