J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.R. said:

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Serious question. Not intended on a big fight over Trump. That POS ain't worth my time any longer.

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Calm down my friend! Just saw a clip from Trump's presser where he says he wants to put a 10 percent cap on credit cards for one year. He said this will give "billions"_of Americans debt relief. Yes, " billions." Only problem is the American population is currently around 340 million people.

The man literally pulls numbers out of his ass and his worshipping followers never question a thing he says.

I will try to post the clip.

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10% cap on credit will NEVER happen. ever. Like most things trump, sounds good and yall buy it, but he's lying again. Never happen

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Robert Wilson said:

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J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.R. said:

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Serious question. Not intended on a big fight over Trump. That POS ain't worth my time any longer.

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Calm down my friend! Just saw a clip from Trump's presser where he says he wants to put a 10 percent cap on credit cards for one year. He said this will give "billions"_of Americans debt relief. Yes, " billions." Only problem is the American population is currently around 340 million people.

The man literally pulls numbers out of his ass and his worshipping followers never question a thing he says.

I will try to post the clip.

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10% cap on credit will NEVER happen. ever. Like most things trump, sounds good and yall buy it, but he's lying again. Never happen

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It's a bad idea. Lots of people simply won't be able to get credit.

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KaiBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.R. said:

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Serious question. Not intended on a big fight over Trump. That POS ain't worth my time any longer.

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Calm down my friend! Just saw a clip from Trump's presser where he says he wants to put a 10 percent cap on credit cards for one year. He said this will give "billions"_of Americans debt relief. Yes, " billions." Only problem is the American population is currently around 340 million people.

The man literally pulls numbers out of his ass and his worshipping followers never question a thing he says.

I will try to post the clip.

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10% cap on credit will NEVER happen. ever. Like most things trump, sounds good and yall buy it, but he's lying again. Never happen

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It's a bad idea. Lots of people simply won't be able to get credit.

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True

Maybe a compromise can be reached.

Because 25-27% interest rates are ruinous

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KaiBear said:

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The United States suffered approximately 500,000 war dead protecting Great Britain from Nazi Germany .

Only to see the Soviet Union enslave much of central
and eastern Europe at the wars end.

So forgive me if I could care less about Great Britain's war dead.

No more European wars for the United States.

Ever.

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Robert Wilson said:

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J.R. said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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J.R. said:

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Serious question. Not intended on a big fight over Trump. That POS ain't worth my time any longer.

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Calm down my friend! Just saw a clip from Trump's presser where he says he wants to put a 10 percent cap on credit cards for one year. He said this will give "billions"_of Americans debt relief. Yes, " billions." Only problem is the American population is currently around 340 million people.

The man literally pulls numbers out of his ass and his worshipping followers never question a thing he says.

I will try to post the clip.

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10% cap on credit will NEVER happen. ever. Like most things trump, sounds good and yall buy it, but he's lying again. Never happen

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It's a bad idea. Lots of people simply won't be able to get credit.

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Robert Wilson said:

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You've seen all the warts of a Trump presidency.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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If you don't have borders, you don't have a country.

Donald Trump is the first Republican with a national presence since Patrick Buchanan who has been willing to tackle the immigration problem head on.

If this isn't fixed the country is dead.

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Two separate issues.

First - Borders. Trump has been THE best President to get the border shut. IMO, excelled in this...

Second - Illegal Immigrants. ICE is turning what was a pro-GOP issue with the population against those here illegally to people (voters) siding with the illegals after seeing the way ICE is going about it. Trump is failing on the optics and tactics side. When you have people comparing them to the Gestapo that is not a win...

Tactics and optics matter. The Social Media world is a double edged sword. That is something many don't get.

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

---

You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

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Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

---

You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

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Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

---

Ridiculous case of a short memory

A. Harris would have continued Biden's horribly destructive immigration flood
B. Would have continued Biden's bizarre / destructive woke policies
C. Would have continued Biden's indifference to the fentanyl crises
D. Would have INCREASED Taxes. Where Trump has provided tax relief
E. The Middle East would still be in turmoil from Iran's nuclear bomb program
F. NATO would not have increased their defense spending
G Lawfare against Christians would have not only continued….but made worse.
H. Ridiculous green regulations would have continued to hamper economic growth.
I. Implicit discrimination against white people would have increased.
J. Military recruitment and morale would have continued to plummet.



Gone too far ?
How ?

You prefer to have these criminals remain on our streets ?

How many more have to be raped or murdered before you finally wake up ?

Or will it take the killing of a family member by a drunk driving illegal to finally insert a sense of reality into your insulated world ?

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

---

You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

---

Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

---

Ridiculous case of a short memory

A. Harris would have continued Biden's horribly destructive immigration flood
B. Would have continued Biden's bizarre / destructive woke policies
C. Would have continued Biden's indifference to the fentanyl crises
D. Would have INCREASED Taxes. Where Trump has provided tax relief
E. The Middle East would still be in turmoil from Iran's nuclear bomb program
F. NATO would not have increased their defense spending
G Lawfare against Christians would have not only continued….but made worse.
H. Ridiculous green regulations would have continued to hamper economic growth.
I. Implicit discrimination against white people would have increased.
J. Military recruitment and morale would have continued to plummet.



Gone too far ?
How ?

You prefer to have these criminals remain on our streets ?

How many more have to be raped or murdered before you finally wake up ?

Or will it take the killing of a family member by a drunk driving illegal to finally insert a sense of reality into your insulated world ?

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Johnny Bear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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If you don't have borders, you don't have a country.

Donald Trump is the first Republican with a national presence since Patrick Buchanan who has been willing to tackle the immigration problem head on.

If this isn't fixed the country is dead.

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Two separate issues.

First - Borders. Trump has been THE best President to get the border shut. IMO, excelled in this...

Second - Illegal Immigrants. ICE is turning what was a pro-GOP issue with the population against those here illegally to people (voters) siding with the illegals after seeing the way ICE is going about it. Trump is failing on the optics and tactics side. When you have people comparing them to the Gestapo that is not a win...

Tactics and optics matter. The Social Media world is a double edged sword. That is something many don't get.

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Exactly how would you suggest ICE "go about it" differently when you're talking about arresting and deporting murderers, rapists, gang bangers, terrorists, human/child traffickers, etc. in some cases (as in Minneapolis), without any assistance from local law enforcement and out and out opposition from elected officials to the point of encouraging violent mobs to harass and assault them? In cities / areas where there has been appropriate local law enforcement cooperation and POS politicians like small Frey, Tampon Timmy, and Keith Ellison aren't present (like Memphis as an example) the situation and the process of deporting the worst of the worst that a clear majority voted for in '24 has been completely different. Despite what the democrats and The MSM want you to believe, ICE isn't in any shape form or fashion to blame for the 100% leftist caused chaos in Minnesota.

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

---

You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

---

Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

---

Ridiculous case of a short memory

A. Harris would have continued Biden's horribly destructive immigration flood
B. Would have continued Biden's bizarre / destructive woke policies
C. Would have continued Biden's indifference to the fentanyl crises
D. Would have INCREASED Taxes. Where Trump has provided tax relief
E. The Middle East would still be in turmoil from Iran's nuclear bomb program
F. NATO would not have increased their defense spending
G Lawfare against Christians would have not only continued….but made worse.
H. Ridiculous green regulations would have continued to hamper economic growth.
I. Implicit discrimination against white people would have increased.
J. Military recruitment and morale would have continued to plummet.



Gone too far ?
How ?

You prefer to have these criminals remain on our streets ?

How many more have to be raped or murdered before you finally wake up ?

Or will it take the killing of a family member by a drunk driving illegal to finally insert a sense of reality into your insulated world ?

---

Some good points that I omitted. But some of these could not have happened with GOP House/Senate.

I don't think Trump has done much of anything on Fentanyl. The issue there is China, and he's done very little.

My position on immigration is pretty mainstream - secure the border and remove criminals. Leave law-abiding folks alone, and enforce consistent with Constitution and decency.

NATO countries had already increased their spending, and I have given Trump credit for that.

But, again, I acknowledge these tradeoffs. I just think on balance, Trump has done more long term damage to the Country and to conservatism. I realize it's not an easy call - heck, I'm a 3-time Trump voter, and held my nose each time (though 2020 was an easier call b/c he did well first term).

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

---

You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

---

Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

---

Ridiculous case of a short memory

A. Harris would have continued Biden's horribly destructive immigration flood
B. Would have continued Biden's bizarre / destructive woke policies
C. Would have continued Biden's indifference to the fentanyl crises
D. Would have INCREASED Taxes. Where Trump has provided tax relief
E. The Middle East would still be in turmoil from Iran's nuclear bomb program
F. NATO would not have increased their defense spending
G Lawfare against Christians would have not only continued….but made worse.
H. Ridiculous green regulations would have continued to hamper economic growth.
I. Implicit discrimination against white people would have increased.
J. Military recruitment and morale would have continued to plummet.



Gone too far ?
How ?

You prefer to have these criminals remain on our streets ?

How many more have to be raped or murdered before you finally wake up ?

Or will it take the killing of a family member by a drunk driving illegal to finally insert a sense of reality into your insulated world ?

---

Some good points that I omitted. But some of these could not have happened with GOP House/Senate.

I don't think Trump has done much of anything on Fentanyl. The issue there is China, and he's done very little.

My position on immigration is pretty mainstream - secure the border and remove criminals. Leave law-abiding folks alone, and enforce consistent with Constitution and decency.

NATO countries had already increased their spending, and I have given Trump credit for that.

But, again, I acknowledge these tradeoffs. I just think on balance, Trump has done more long term damage to the Country and to conservatism. I realize it's not an easy call - heck, I'm a 3-time Trump voter, and held my nose each time (though 2020 was an easier call b/c he did well first term).

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Trillions of investment coming into the country
Overdoses down by 20% in one year
Billions in savings removing millions of illegals
Crime down in several US cities
US military stronger than ever
Gasoline cheaper than in years
Trade deficit lower than in many years
Inflation much lower
Taxes lower


Good grief what president has EVER accomplished more in a single year ?

Name him.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

---

You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

---

Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

---

Ridiculous case of a short memory

A. Harris would have continued Biden's horribly destructive immigration flood
B. Would have continued Biden's bizarre / destructive woke policies
C. Would have continued Biden's indifference to the fentanyl crises
D. Would have INCREASED Taxes. Where Trump has provided tax relief
E. The Middle East would still be in turmoil from Iran's nuclear bomb program
F. NATO would not have increased their defense spending
G Lawfare against Christians would have not only continued….but made worse.
H. Ridiculous green regulations would have continued to hamper economic growth.
I. Implicit discrimination against white people would have increased.
J. Military recruitment and morale would have continued to plummet.



Gone too far ?
How ?

You prefer to have these criminals remain on our streets ?

How many more have to be raped or murdered before you finally wake up ?

Or will it take the killing of a family member by a drunk driving illegal to finally insert a sense of reality into your insulated world ?

---

Some good points that I omitted. But some of these could not have happened with GOP House/Senate.

I don't think Trump has done much of anything on Fentanyl. The issue there is China, and he's done very little.

My position on immigration is pretty mainstream - secure the border and remove criminals. Leave law-abiding folks alone, and enforce consistent with Constitution and decency.

NATO countries had already increased their spending, and I have given Trump credit for that.

But, again, I acknowledge these tradeoffs. I just think on balance, Trump has done more long term damage to the Country and to conservatism. I realize it's not an easy call - heck, I'm a 3-time Trump voter, and held my nose each time (though 2020 was an easier call b/c he did well first term).

---

Trillions of investment coming into the country
Overdoses down by 20% in one year
Billions in savings removing millions of illegals
Crime down in several US cities
US military stronger than ever
Gasoline cheaper than in years
Trade deficit lower than in many years
Inflation much lower
Taxes lower


Good grief what president has EVER accomplished more in a single year ?

Name him.

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But #MeanTweets

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J.R. said:

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J.R. said:

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Serious question. Not intended on a big fight over Trump. That POS ain't worth my time any longer.

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Calm down my friend! Just saw a clip from Trump's presser where he says he wants to put a 10 percent cap on credit cards for one year. He said this will give "billions"_of Americans debt relief. Yes, " billions." Only problem is the American population is currently around 340 million people.

The man literally pulls numbers out of his ass and his worshipping followers never question a thing he says.

I will try to post the clip.

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10% cap on credit will NEVER happen. ever. Like most things trump, sounds good and yall buy it, but he's lying again. Never happen

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ron.reagan said:

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Trump is still a lot better than any of the potential democrats as they would all waste the potential of the country. Unfortunately Trump is lowering our potential every time he get involved with any issues that are not domestic.

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

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You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

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You greatly over estimate how effective Harris would have been. I see no reason that she could accomplish all those things. A Democrat controlled Congress could, and she might serve as a rubber stamp, but how terrible she was as a Vice President would not suddenly be fixed if she were President.

All that power gets you somewhere, as Trump has proven, but Harris is a talented good-for-nothing, in the political realm.

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Robert Wilson said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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KaiBear said:

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

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You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

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Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

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Ridiculous case of a short memory

A. Harris would have continued Biden's horribly destructive immigration flood
B. Would have continued Biden's bizarre / destructive woke policies
C. Would have continued Biden's indifference to the fentanyl crises
D. Would have INCREASED Taxes. Where Trump has provided tax relief
E. The Middle East would still be in turmoil from Iran's nuclear bomb program
F. NATO would not have increased their defense spending
G Lawfare against Christians would have not only continued….but made worse.
H. Ridiculous green regulations would have continued to hamper economic growth.
I. Implicit discrimination against white people would have increased.
J. Military recruitment and morale would have continued to plummet.



Gone too far ?
How ?

You prefer to have these criminals remain on our streets ?

How many more have to be raped or murdered before you finally wake up ?

Or will it take the killing of a family member by a drunk driving illegal to finally insert a sense of reality into your insulated world ?

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Some good points that I omitted. But some of these could not have happened with GOP House/Senate.

I don't think Trump has done much of anything on Fentanyl. The issue there is China, and he's done very little.

My position on immigration is pretty mainstream - secure the border and remove criminals. Leave law-abiding folks alone, and enforce consistent with Constitution and decency.

NATO countries had already increased their spending, and I have given Trump credit for that.

But, again, I acknowledge these tradeoffs. I just think on balance, Trump has done more long term damage to the Country and to conservatism. I realize it's not an easy call - heck, I'm a 3-time Trump voter, and held my nose each time (though 2020 was an easier call b/c he did well first term).

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Trillions of investment coming into the country
Overdoses down by 20% in one year
Billions in savings removing millions of illegals
Crime down in several US cities
US military stronger than ever
Gasoline cheaper than in years
Trade deficit lower than in many years
Inflation much lower
Taxes lower


Good grief what president has EVER accomplished more in a single year ?

Name him.

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But #MeanTweets

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That really is the primary response.

But ... decorum! "He's mean to our international friends" provides at least some measure of a policy hook for the "but decorum" argument.

Doesn't hurt the world to remember that we *can* throw our weight around a little bit, even if we go decades without really doing so.

The idea that "but decorum" means a Kamala presidency would have been better blows my mind. That means you care way too much about decorum and have a failure of imagination with respect to what that ditz could have botched while in office.

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

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You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

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Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TDS is funny.

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As concerns Europe, I think there are four:

1) Trump told Europe: You're killing yourself with mass migration. Stop.

2) Trump told NATO: You've got to spend more on your own defense.

3) Trump told the EU: You're hurting yourselves with draconian regulations.

4) Trump told… https://t.co/I0dFHmujMl

— Byron York (@ByronYork) January 23, 2026

sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

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You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

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Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

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whiterock said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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TDS is funny.

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He does all the right things, but it inflames establishment vanities. They go nuts. Then the nuts go nuts. In the process, he is proven to be exactly correct all along. For example:

As concerns Europe, I think there are four:

1) Trump told Europe: You're killing yourself with mass migration. Stop.

2) Trump told NATO: You've got to spend more on your own defense.

3) Trump told the EU: You're hurting yourselves with draconian regulations.

4) Trump told… https://t.co/I0dFHmujMl

— Byron York (@ByronYork) January 23, 2026

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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Mothra said:

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sombear said:

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I said and posted on here for months prior to the election that for the first time in my life I wasn't going to vote for the GOP candidate. I changed my mind last minute based on all the pro-Hamas BS by the Dems and crazy Green Deal BS from Kamala.

I regret my vote. The reason I was not going to vote for Trump was long term v. short term. No doubt, Trump was going to be better short term than Kamala - from a traditional conservate perspective. My concern was long term. And my concerns have proven justified.

I believe long term Trump has severely damaged: the GOP, conservatism, free markets, separation of powers, our Country's reputation, ally and international relations, global security, international freedom movements, among others. I also am angry that he single-handedly has forever precluded any argument that character or the most basic level of decency matters. Laughing about "mean tweets" has turned into rationalizing or even relishing bizarre and abhorrent behavior.

I say without reservation that conservatism and decency would have been better off long term with a disastrous Kamala presidency. It would have galvanized the best of our country against liberalism and cultural debauchery.

I was wrong.

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You're one of the most thoughtful posters on this board, and I don't disagree much with your assessment of Trump.

Where I think you err is you greatly underestimate the amount of irreversible damage that would have been done to our country by another 4 years of the Biden admin. There's a strong likelihood that Harris would have attempted to pack the Supreme Court, ala FDR, to get her agenda passed. And of course a perpetuation of open borders, gender issues, identity politics, cracking down on free speech, political prosecutions, and foreign affair blunders would have undoubtedly been a total disaster, doing lasting damage to our country.

Republicans had crappy options, including Trump. But when it's crappy vs. evil, you better choose crappy.

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Kamala would have had a GOP House and Senate, so short damage would have been mitigated.

She would not have touched the Court.

1A - Trump has been worse than Kamala would have been. (Threatening or even suing law firms, companies, media, judges; saying it should be treasonous to teach anything anti-American in schools; suing banks for de-banking him; firing or endorsing firing of gov employees over their views.)

Trump has been WORSE on foreign policy than I think Kamala would have been. Kamala would have supported Israel and would have been much stronger for Ukraine. She likely would not have bombed Iran (so I give that issue to Trump). She would not have invaded Venezuela or bombed boats (so I give her the edge there).

She definitely would not have mistreated and in some cases threatened our closest allies, issued tariffs, etc.

She would not have been so cozy with Russia or China.

Trump's political prosecutions (or threats) are just as bad, and he is more directly involved.

Credit Trump bigly on the border, but he's also gone too far.

I also credit Trump for speaking out against wokeness, etc., but there was already a major backlash in the making there.

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I think you are forgetting how many things most recent presidents have accomplished via executive order. 162 total by Biden. It was a gigantic list of pet liberal causes, and included among other things extending transgender and sexual orientation to Title IX and using OSHA to mandate vaccines on private employers. Hard to imagine Kamala would have been any different in that regard, and congress could have done little to stop her. We would have had to rely on a judiciary that would grow increasingly liberal, due to 8 years of Democrat appointments (another disaster, in and of itself).

As for the other specific issues, I don't disagree with your assessment, for the most part - outside of foreign policy, which I think you get badly wrong. Biden was a paper tiger, and so would have been Kamala. The peace deals we have seen under Trump? Never would have happened under Kamala. They would have hamstrung Israel in Gaza, and we'd likely be closer to war with Russia. And I think taking out Maduro was a good thing.

Trump has done bad things, no question. But I would submit Biden was WAY worse.

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