Harrison
Trump's involvement in January 6th, by itself, should tell you what he thinks about the Constitution and the pledge he took as president of uphold it.

The fact that we believed in enough of his lies to put him back in speaks little to true conservatism, as it does to the blooming liberals who attempted for too long to put someone in who was too old and incompetent.

Say what you will and believe what you want; however our country is not in a good place when we allow ourselves to choose between such individuals, one which refused to accept the results of the election, and care less what it might do to the fabric of our democracy.

I recognize that you appear to have, at the least, a more reasoned political belief system than the average Trump supporter, and those that don't. In my opinion part of our country's problem is that too many of us are not politically informed, much less active.
I worry about how we can remain strong, when we appear to be so divided and very angry at each other.

BUDOS said:

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Harrison
Trump's involvement in January 6th, by itself, should tell you what he thinks about the Constitution and the pledge he took as president of uphold it.

The fact that we believed in enough of his lies to put him back in speaks little to true conservatism, as it does to the blooming liberals who attempted for too long to put someone in who was too old and incompetent.

Say what you will and believe what you want; however our country is not in a good place when we allow ourselves to choose between such individuals, one which refused to accept the results of the election, and care less what it might do to the fabric of our democracy.

I recognize that you appear to have, at the least, a more reasoned political belief system than the average Trump supporter, and those that don't. In my opinion part of our country's problem is that too many of us are not politically informed, much less active.
I worry about how we can remain strong, when we appear to be so divided and very angry at each other.

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Not sure how your aloof / insulting comments are the sort that would do much healing.

The media has insured that neither side trusts or thinks highly of the intelligence of the other.

And not because of any firmly held ideology by the media……rather solely for corporate profits.

BUDOS said:

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Harrison
Trump's involvement in January 6th, by itself, should tell you what he thinks about the Constitution and the pledge he took as president of uphold it.

The fact that we believed in enough of his lies to put him back in speaks little to true conservatism, as it does to the blooming liberals who attempted for too long to put someone in who was too old and incompetent.

Say what you will and believe what you want; however our country is not in a good place when we allow ourselves to choose between such individuals, one which refused to accept the results of the election, and care less what it might do to the fabric of our democracy.

I recognize that you appear to have, at the least, a more reasoned political belief system than the average Trump supporter, and those that don't. In my opinion part of our country's problem is that too many of us are not politically informed, much less active.
I worry about how we can remain strong, when we appear to be so divided and very angry at each other.

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Again, you're not being specific. What did Trump specifically do on January Sixth that you find so deplorable? Do you think politicians should not hold rallies? Again, sort of hard to get butthurt about January Sixth when Democrats sponsored and encouraged burning, looting, and murdering during the entire summer of 2020 and similarly are calling for active revolt against the government trying to deport pedophiles and rapists. So it is possible to think January Sixth was terrible and also not pretend it was some kind of singular, uniquely terrible event.

Do you think all the Democrats that denied the 2016 election results and claimed Russian hackers stole the election should be similarly disqualified? Do you think anyone that pretended Stacey Abrams was the rightful governor of Georgia should be disqualified?

I generally agree with your sentiment, but what I have little patience for is the outright hypocrisy and double standards and divisive language deployed by the left. We had a president that did a Hitler imitation and basically call anyone that disagrees with him a racist and fascist yet Trump's "mean tweets" are the problem? You see where I don't have a lot of patience for the outrage over Trump's boorish behaviors - I don't condone it but Trump's behavior is mild compared to the average Democrat. Trump makes fun of politicians - it was Clinton that called voters "deplorables" and Obama that called them "bitter clingers." That's actual division and shows a true hatred of Americans.

I'm enjoying the TDS by some posters in here

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I am most concerned about our deteriorated relationships with our best allies.

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I could, of course, be wrong, but I'm really not concerned about that at all. Many of them have been taking advantage of us for a long time, and it was time for a level set.

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I love you man, but on this we will agree to disagree. "These countries have been ripping us off for years" means that other countries have been selling us inexpensive products for years and Trump will not stand for it. Trump's cover charge of 10 percent at the door just to do business with us is arrogant and putting a drag on the world economy. Canada is making trade deals with China for crying out loud. Trump continues to defecate on Canada and Mexico and it will cost us dearly in the long run.

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This is an interesting piece from an Ottawa think tank that definitely does not like Trump, begrudgingly conceding that the long-standing world order in which we trade freely while other countries have protectionist policies, we basically fund NATO, etc., really did not appear to be working out for the US the way that advocates of that system claim that it did.

https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/what-if-trump-is-painfully-right-stephen-nagy-for-inside-policy/

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I am most concerned about our deteriorated relationships with our best allies.

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I could, of course, be wrong, but I'm really not concerned about that at all. Many of them have been taking advantage of us for a long time, and it was time for a level set.

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I love you man, but on this we will agree to disagree. "These countries have been ripping us off for years" means that other countries have been selling us inexpensive products for years and Trump will not stand for it. Trump's cover charge of 10 percent at the door just to do business with us is arrogant and putting a drag on the world economy. Canada is making trade deals with China for crying out loud. Trump continues to defecate on Canada and Mexico and it will cost us dearly in the long run.

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This is an interesting piece from an Ottawa think tank that definitely does not like Trump, begrudgingly conceding that the long-standing world order in which we trade freely while other countries have protectionist policies, we basically fund NATO, etc., really did not appear to be working out for the US the way that advocates of that system claim that it did.

https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/what-if-trump-is-painfully-right-stephen-nagy-for-inside-policy/

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wow, excellent and fair article.

30aBear said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Robert Wilson said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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I am most concerned about our deteriorated relationships with our best allies.

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I could, of course, be wrong, but I'm really not concerned about that at all. Many of them have been taking advantage of us for a long time, and it was time for a level set.

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I love you man, but on this we will agree to disagree. "These countries have been ripping us off for years" means that other countries have been selling us inexpensive products for years and Trump will not stand for it. Trump's cover charge of 10 percent at the door just to do business with us is arrogant and putting a drag on the world economy. Canada is making trade deals with China for crying out loud. Trump continues to defecate on Canada and Mexico and it will cost us dearly in the long run.

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This is an interesting piece from an Ottawa think tank that definitely does not like Trump, begrudgingly conceding that the long-standing world order in which we trade freely while other countries have protectionist policies, we basically fund NATO, etc., really did not appear to be working out for the US the way that advocates of that system claim that it did.

https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/what-if-trump-is-painfully-right-stephen-nagy-for-inside-policy/

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wow, excellent and fair article.

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Yeah, I thought so. You don't see a lot of that these days.