El Oso said:
Is it racism or apathy toward Palestine?
Consider, the white male was a US citizen who wasn't doing anything wrong and the police killed him. This is a massive problem.
Palestine is on the other side of the world, and while the Palestinians here occasionally block traffic I am in, I just don't care about the Palestinian Israeli conflict. America should practice isolationism until we get our own house in order.
So, is that racism or apathy towards the problems of other countries?
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
Nope. Still complete bull***** A violent man armed himself and left his home that day intending interfere with law enforcement, using deadly force if necessary. There is no other reason to bring a gun to a conflict. You can pretend this is about the second amendment but it became irrelevant the moment he broke the law and physically interfered with law enforcement, as he had a proven violent history of doing. You don't believe in the second amendment and I seriously doubt you own any guns.El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls an unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
How does the possible spontaneous discharge of his weapon at the most inopportune time during his resisting of arrest factor in your analysis with regard to the shooting?
El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Wangchung said:
You don't believe in the second amendment and I seriously doubt you own any guns.
Exactly. It's a novelty zit popper.El Oso said:Wangchung said:
You don't believe in the second amendment and I seriously doubt you own any guns.
Well, after that terrible boating accident last summer, you're right, I don't actually own any guns. I thought about buying a new one, and since how things identify seems to be what they actually are now, I was going to call it a paper weight if I every got asked about it, but I decided not to do that either.
Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
No they didn't. Stop making up stuff.
El Oso said:Harrison Bergeron said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
No they didn't. Stop making up stuff.
I posted the FBI director flipping, I posted Noem flipping. I posted Trump flipping. All just this week.
I debated posting the names of Sic 'Em posters who have flipped, but I won't call them out. They know who they are, and anybody who reads this board on a regular basis knows I'm right about the flipping from 2A is an absolute right to but not for this guy...
El Oso said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
How does the possible spontaneous discharge of his weapon at the most inopportune time during his resisting of arrest factor in your analysis with regard to the shooting?
I'll admit spontaneous discharge of his weapon is a new one one me. However, in the video, you can clearly see an ICE agent walk away from the dogpile with Alex's gun in his hand. Even ICE admits he was disarmed and his gun was never fired. You can then see an agent on the other side open fire. Alex was not killed by his own gun.
And, if you meant the ICE agent's gun, guns don't just go off. I reject the spontaneous discharge of anyone's weapon outright.
LIB,MR BEARS said:El Oso said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
How does the possible spontaneous discharge of his weapon at the most inopportune time during his resisting of arrest factor in your analysis with regard to the shooting?
I'll admit spontaneous discharge of his weapon is a new one one me. However, in the video, you can clearly see an ICE agent walk away from the dogpile with Alex's gun in his hand. Even ICE admits he was disarmed and his gun was never fired. You can then see an agent on the other side open fire. Alex was not killed by his own gun.
And, if you meant the ICE agent's gun, guns don't just go off. I reject the spontaneous discharge of anyone's weapon outright.
Typically, guns don't just go off. However Sig Sauer has a known issue
"Reports of unintentional discharges (UDs) with the SIG Sauer P320 handgun have led to lawsuits and safety concerns, alleging the pistol can fire without the trigger being pulled, often while holstered, due to design issues like a light trigger and lack of external safeties, though SIG Sauer, the manufacturer, maintains the pistol is safe and attributes incidents to user error or improper handling, like foreign objects or worn holsters, despite evidence from internal testing and user claims suggesting potential design flaws."
Harrison Bergeron said:
I have been skeptical about claims of T'RACISM as much as anyone. However, this week may have convinced me I am wrong.
Consider ...
There is more outrage and lunacy over one dead white male than thousands of dead Iranian protesters.
canoso said:Harrison Bergeron said:
I have been skeptical about claims of T'RACISM as much as anyone. However, this week may have convinced me I am wrong.
Consider ...
There is more outrage and lunacy over one dead white male than thousands of dead Iranian protesters.
Simple. President Trump's political opposition sees no electoral advantage resulting from thousands of dead Iranian protesters.
El Oso said:LIB,MR BEARS said:El Oso said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
How does the possible spontaneous discharge of his weapon at the most inopportune time during his resisting of arrest factor in your analysis with regard to the shooting?
I'll admit spontaneous discharge of his weapon is a new one one me. However, in the video, you can clearly see an ICE agent walk away from the dogpile with Alex's gun in his hand. Even ICE admits he was disarmed and his gun was never fired. You can then see an agent on the other side open fire. Alex was not killed by his own gun.
And, if you meant the ICE agent's gun, guns don't just go off. I reject the spontaneous discharge of anyone's weapon outright.
Typically, guns don't just go off. However Sig Sauer has a known issue
"Reports of unintentional discharges (UDs) with the SIG Sauer P320 handgun have led to lawsuits and safety concerns, alleging the pistol can fire without the trigger being pulled, often while holstered, due to design issues like a light trigger and lack of external safeties, though SIG Sauer, the manufacturer, maintains the pistol is safe and attributes incidents to user error or improper handling, like foreign objects or worn holsters, despite evidence from internal testing and user claims suggesting potential design flaws."
Pretti's gun (your model in question after a few searches, thus the edit) is in an ICE agent's hand who is walking away from the scene when the other ICE agent opens fire. It did not spontaneously go off.
ICE carries Glocks through a contract between Glock and Homeland Security. Nobody in ICE has said the ICE agent's gun spontaneously fired, so I bet it didn't spontaneously go off or they would have led with that.
El Oso said:LIB,MR BEARS said:El Oso said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
How does the possible spontaneous discharge of his weapon at the most inopportune time during his resisting of arrest factor in your analysis with regard to the shooting?
I'll admit spontaneous discharge of his weapon is a new one one me. However, in the video, you can clearly see an ICE agent walk away from the dogpile with Alex's gun in his hand. Even ICE admits he was disarmed and his gun was never fired. You can then see an agent on the other side open fire. Alex was not killed by his own gun.
And, if you meant the ICE agent's gun, guns don't just go off. I reject the spontaneous discharge of anyone's weapon outright.
Typically, guns don't just go off. However Sig Sauer has a known issue
"Reports of unintentional discharges (UDs) with the SIG Sauer P320 handgun have led to lawsuits and safety concerns, alleging the pistol can fire without the trigger being pulled, often while holstered, due to design issues like a light trigger and lack of external safeties, though SIG Sauer, the manufacturer, maintains the pistol is safe and attributes incidents to user error or improper handling, like foreign objects or worn holsters, despite evidence from internal testing and user claims suggesting potential design flaws."
Pretti's gun (your model in question after a few searches, thus the edit) is in an ICE agent's hand who is walking away from the scene when the other ICE agent opens fire. It did not spontaneously go off.
ICE carries Glocks through a contract between Glock and Homeland Security. Nobody in ICE has said the ICE agent's gun spontaneously fired, so I bet it didn't spontaneously go off or they would have led with that.
El Oso said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
How does the possible spontaneous discharge of his weapon at the most inopportune time during his resisting of arrest factor in your analysis with regard to the shooting?
I'll admit spontaneous discharge of his weapon is a new one one me. However, in the video, you can clearly see an ICE agent walk away from the dogpile with Alex's gun in his hand. Even ICE admits he was disarmed and his gun was never fired. You can then see an agent on the other side open fire. Alex was not killed by his own gun.
And, if you meant the ICE agent's gun, guns don't just go off. I reject the spontaneous discharge of anyone's weapon outright.
Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls an unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
Nope. Still complete bull***** A violent man armed himself and left his home that day intending interfere with law enforcement, using deadly force if necessary. There is no other reason to bring a gun to a conflict. You can pretend this is about the second amendment but it became irrelevant the moment he broke the law and physically interfered with law enforcement, as he had a proven violent history of doing. You don't believe in the second amendment and I seriously doubt you own any guns.
BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
How does the possible spontaneous discharge of his weapon at the most inopportune time during his resisting of arrest factor in your analysis with regard to the shooting?
I'll admit spontaneous discharge of his weapon is a new one one me. However, in the video, you can clearly see an ICE agent walk away from the dogpile with Alex's gun in his hand. Even ICE admits he was disarmed and his gun was never fired. You can then see an agent on the other side open fire. Alex was not killed by his own gun.
And, if you meant the ICE agent's gun, guns don't just go off. I reject the spontaneous discharge of anyone's weapon outright.
Do you honestly think that we're saying that the spontaneous gun discharge is what shot Pretti? Yikes.
What's really been remarkable to witness here in these threads is how you and others, even when introduced to the fact about the gun discharge, can't or simply refuse to make the extremely obvious connection between the gun discharging and Pretti getting shot. Who had the gun when it discharged is entirely irrelevant. Whether Pretti was disarmed is entirely irrelevant. What matters is whether the other officers during the chaos of wrestling with Pretti knew that at the time.
It's as if you guys are so set on a certain narrative that you're having to purposefully dance around the obvious. If it isn't on purpose, then it shows a huge gap in your thinking. It truly is a wonder.
El Oso said:
Nobody knew he had a gun until he had been pepper sprayed and was on the ground.
Nobody knew what kind of gun he had until it wasn't in his possession anymore.
Could it have gone off in the dogpile? Unlikely but possible. But it didn't. There was no reason to open fire on a citizen exercising his second amendment rights.
Forest Bueller III said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:BusyTarpDuster2017 said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:Wangchung said:El Oso said:
Probably for a similar reason to the one that many card carrying Republicans, and other conservatives, flipped on their 2A stance and used the white guy's mere possession of a firearm as a good enough a reason as any for him to be murdered.
Never saw anyone do that, but plenty mentioned that being a violent moron who attacks law enforcement makes being armed far more dangerous and in fact illegal.
I would like for you to post a video of him attacking law enforcement on the day he was murdered. You have a video. It's just 11 days before the murder. And he kicked a car not an actual person. Yes, he could have been arrested for that, but he wasn't. Whose fault is that? But on the day in question, he did nothing wrong and ended up dead.
He armed himself with the intent to, once again, interfere with law enforcement. He antagonized law enforcement and then fought them while being arrested. At that point, he killed himself. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
You don't have any proof of his intent. Here you go spinning your 2A beliefs just like I said people are doing. Legal gun carriers, like me, put our guns on every time we leave the house. We do it just like putting on any other article of clothing. You cannot prove his intent.
You can't even prove he interfered with law enforcement on the day in question. He crossed a street. He helped a lady up. ICE pepper sprayed him. ICE shot him. Those are the undeniable events to anyone who has seen the videos.
He was tackled. If you want to see a fight so be it.
It's pretty clear an ICE agent shot him. An ICE agent walked off with his gun about a second before he was shot, so it's pretty clear he didn't kill himself.
He did not attack anyone. He definitely damaged a car 11 days before, and that is a crime, but for whatever reason he was not arrested. No arrest, no chance at conviction. No conviction, he is a legal gun carrier on the day in question.
Here is the 2A spin I said was happening in my original post. There are all kinds of posts by you throughout the years on this board supporting 2A, but not for this guy.
Ridiculous spin and made up nonsense. We have video of his prior engagements with law enforcement. We know why he was there. We know why he armed himself to go to interfere with enforcement. I am armed all the time. I do not arm myself and then go commit crimes, which is EXACTLY what he did and had a proven violent history of doing. Those are facts. You don't have the right to attack law enforcement.
It's non spin. It's a direct account of everything in the videos of the shooting.
Again, you have no proof of his intent. 11 days before, you definitely have a video of him kicking out the light of a car. You can even see a silhouette of what I believe to be the same gun in his back in that video. This means he took the gun to the event where he did cause damage to a police car and never drew it. That means you cannot prove he intended to use it. On the day he died, we know he had the gun again, and yet he never took it out. As an admitted gun carrier, you know you do not draw your gun unless you intend to use it. Two videos and we never see the gun in his hand. You have no proof of his intentions with that gun either day.
He committed a crime 11 days before he died. ICE could have immediately stopped the car and taken him into custody. They did not. Without due process that ends in conviction, he is not a criminal. If he's not a criminal, he is a legal gun carrier the day he dies. And, he never attacked ICE the day he was shot. They engaged him.
As a gun carrier, you should know these things, and yet, just as I said several posts ago, you are backpedaling on what the NRA calls a unequivocal belief in the second amendment. I'm doing nothing but doubling down on my belief that LWNJ, just a democrat, moderate, republican, MAGA republican, whoever the person may be had a legal right to possess a gun, and multiple magazines, on that street in MN at the exact same time Alex was murdered for doing so.
How does the possible spontaneous discharge of his weapon at the most inopportune time during his resisting of arrest factor in your analysis with regard to the shooting?
I'll admit spontaneous discharge of his weapon is a new one one me. However, in the video, you can clearly see an ICE agent walk away from the dogpile with Alex's gun in his hand. Even ICE admits he was disarmed and his gun was never fired. You can then see an agent on the other side open fire. Alex was not killed by his own gun.
And, if you meant the ICE agent's gun, guns don't just go off. I reject the spontaneous discharge of anyone's weapon outright.
Do you honestly think that we're saying that the spontaneous gun discharge is what shot Pretti? Yikes.
What's really been remarkable to witness here in these threads is how you and others, even when introduced to the fact about the gun discharge, can't or simply refuse to make the extremely obvious connection between the gun discharging and Pretti getting shot. Who had the gun when it discharged is entirely irrelevant. Whether Pretti was disarmed is entirely irrelevant. What matters is whether the other officers during the chaos of wrestling with Pretti knew that at the time.
It's as if you guys are so set on a certain narrative that you're having to purposefully dance around the obvious. If it isn't on purpose, then it shows a huge gap in your thinking. It truly is a wonder.
Pretti's gun didn't discharge. Take the time to look at the best videos in slow motion, while he is trapped on the ground, then as his gun is being removed by the officer and then carried away by the officer. There is no discharge.
Lies by the administration are not facts, and they have proven they will lie like fake news. They realize the sheep will believe anything they say. That does not make it truth.
