You still haven't grasped one of the most basic concepts, which is the distinction between why a war is fought and how a war is fought.

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How many Russian civilians were killed in acts of state terrorism by Ukraine?

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Between 3300 (if you believe NATO sources) and 14,000 (if you believe Russian sources).

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The irony is Ukraine hasn't engaged in anything remotely similar, and yet, you somehow believe that was a justified war. Like I said, you're a Putin shiel and a big fan of dictators.

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But they have. Depending on who you believe, the Ukrainian military has killed roughly 3x-10x the number of Russian civilians in the eastern proviinces as the number of Israelis killed on October 7th by Hamas.

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You still haven't grasped one of the most basic concepts, which is the distinction between why a war is fought and how a war is fought.

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Another one of your hallmark vague platitudes that lacks substance.

You got nothing.

Realitybites said:

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Mothra said:

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How many Russian civilians were killed in acts of state terrorism by Ukraine?

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Between 3300 (if you believe NATO sources) and 14,000 (if you believe Russian sources).

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The irony is Ukraine hasn't engaged in anything remotely similar, and yet, you somehow believe that was a justified war. Like I said, you're a Putin shiel and a big fan of dictators.

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But they have. Depending on who you believe, the Ukrainian military has killed roughly 3x-10x the number of Russian civilians in the eastern proviinces as the number of Israelis killed on October 7th by Hamas.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian? You're talking about a war zone, not strikes inside actual Russian territory. And we are also talking after the invasion. If you will review my original post, I made the distinction between before and after the Russian invasion.

There wasn't an unprovoked attack on Russia by Ukraine.

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Sam Lowry said:

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You still haven't grasped one of the most basic concepts, which is the distinction between why a war is fought and how a war is fought.

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Another one of your hallmark vague platitudes that lacks substance.

You got nothing.

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It's at the core of the Just War analysis.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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The same could be said about all of Ukraine. There are lots of native Russians who speak Russian.

But that doesn't change the fact that the fighting is taking place in an area of Ukraine, and the people therein were Ukrainian citizens. And the violence there has occurred after the invasion of those areas by Russia.

So it's really an apples to oranges comparison, when compared to Gaza.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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Applied to our Revolutionary War, Sam would be on the British side for those reasons. How dare the colonists demand their freedom from British dominion!

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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The same could be said about all of Ukraine. There are lots of native Russians who speak Russian.

But that doesn't change the fact that the fighting is taking place in an area of Ukraine, and the people therein were Ukrainian citizens. And the violence there has occurred after the invasion of those areas by Russia.

So it's really an apples to oranges comparison, when compared to Gaza.

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Ukraine has been attacking civilians since long before the invasion, and unlike the Russians, they do so intentionally. Russia chose to invade in February of 2022 in part because Kiev was preparing to escalate attacks on the Donbas.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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Applied to our Revolutionary War, Sam would be on the British side for those reasons. How dare the colonists demand their freedom from British dominion!

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Donetsk and Luhansk were demanding their freedom from Ukraine, not Russia. So actually it's you who would be on the British side.

Somali Sam still pumping out absurd posts, hoping volume will compensate for a dearth of lucidity.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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The same could be said about all of Ukraine. There are lots of native Russians who speak Russian.

But that doesn't change the fact that the fighting is taking place in an area of Ukraine, and the people therein were Ukrainian citizens. And the violence there has occurred after the invasion of those areas by Russia.

So it's really an apples to oranges comparison, when compared to Gaza.

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Ukraine has been attacking civilians since long before the invasion, and unlike the Russians, they do so intentionally. Russia chose to invade in February of 2022 in part because Kiev was preparing to escalate attacks on the Donbas.

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And Germany should have the Sudetenland.

If China' version of the CIA overthrow the government of Canada and installs a Pro-CCP Prime Minister who leaves NATO and joins a defensive alliance with China... what would America do?

Actually look no further than Venezuela... we just killed a bunch of people, kidnapped the President, and took their oil... why is Russia evil when they do the same thing?

Why the hell is it so hard for Boomers in their twilight years to focus on the financial mess they've made in this country and not on every other backwater conflict between this former Soviet Republic or that former Soviet Republic or sand people wars? Turn off FOX News and touch grass Grandpa.

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Why the hell is it so hard for Boomers in their twilight years to focus on the financial mess they've made in this country and not on every other backwater conflict between this former Soviet Republic or that former Soviet Republic or sand people wars? Turn off FOX News and touch grass Grandpa.

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LOL. Look who is fixing it.

Trump (Boomer)
Bessent (Boomer)
Lutnik (Boomer)

The generational hate is profoundly dumb......

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Why the hell is it so hard for Boomers in their twilight years to focus on the financial mess they've made in this country and not on every other backwater conflict between this former Soviet Republic or that former Soviet Republic or sand people wars? Turn off FOX News and touch grass Grandpa.

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Got it. Nothing any other country does on the other side of the world will ever impact us. Domino effects do not exist.
Thanks for the clarity.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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The same could be said about all of Ukraine. There are lots of native Russians who speak Russian.

But that doesn't change the fact that the fighting is taking place in an area of Ukraine, and the people therein were Ukrainian citizens. And the violence there has occurred after the invasion of those areas by Russia.

So it's really an apples to oranges comparison, when compared to Gaza.

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Ukraine has been attacking civilians since long before the invasion, and unlike the Russians, they do so intentionally. Russia chose to invade in February of 2022 in part because Kiev was preparing to escalate attacks on the Donbas.

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And Germany should have the Sudetenland.

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Who was killing Germans in the Sudetenland?

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The_barBEARian said:

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Why the hell is it so hard for Boomers in their twilight years to focus on the financial mess they've made in this country and not on every other backwater conflict between this former Soviet Republic or that former Soviet Republic or sand people wars? Turn off FOX News and touch grass Grandpa.

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Got it. Nothing any other country does on the other side of the world will ever impact us. Domino effects do not exist.
Thanks for the clarity.

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Mark Levin: Isolationists call us "warmongers"—I call them diplomacy-mongers. pic.twitter.com/WLbhxGWM1O

— Chris Menahan 🇺🇸 (@infolibnews) February 15, 2026

The Unsettling Truths The Epstein Files Reveal About Power And Privilege

"...What the Epstein files expose, above all, is the social and moral estrangement of American elites from the people they claim to govern.

Epstein was not merely a predator who gained access to power. He was a node within a closed world of wealth, influence, and immunity. The scandal is not that powerful people behaved badly in privatehistory shows many such examplesbut that they did so with a confidence rooted in the belief they were insulated from the consequences of their behavior.

They moved through a transnational elite culture that had largely severed itself from ordinary moral constraints, legal accountability, and civic obligation. That culture did not merely tolerate Epstein but normalized him.
This echoes the point Christopher Lasch made decades ago, long before private islands and hedge-fund philanthropy became familiar symbols of elite excess. In his 1994 book "The Revolt of the Elites," Lasch argued that the modern American ruling classes had stopped seeing themselves as stewards of a shared national project. Instead, they increasingly saw themselves as a mobile, globalized caste, educated in the same institutions, moving through the same cities, governed by the same tastes, and primarily accountable only to each other. Citizenship was seen as a minor inconvenience. Nationhood and patriotism were just sentimental relics from less enlightened times.

The Epstein affair reads like a case study in Lasch's thesis...:

Realitybites said:

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The Unsettling Truths The Epstein Files Reveal About Power And Privilege

"...What the Epstein files expose, above all, is the social and moral estrangement of American elites from the people they claim to govern.

Epstein was not merely a predator who gained access to power. He was a node within a closed world of wealth, influence, and immunity. The scandal is not that powerful people behaved badly in privatehistory shows many such examplesbut that they did so with a confidence rooted in the belief they were insulated from the consequences of their behavior.

They moved through a transnational elite culture that had largely severed itself from ordinary moral constraints, legal accountability, and civic obligation. That culture did not merely tolerate Epstein but normalized him.
This echoes the point Christopher Lasch made decades ago, long before private islands and hedge-fund philanthropy became familiar symbols of elite excess. In his 1994 book "The Revolt of the Elites," Lasch argued that the modern American ruling classes had stopped seeing themselves as stewards of a shared national project. Instead, they increasingly saw themselves as a mobile, globalized caste, educated in the same institutions, moving through the same cities, governed by the same tastes, and primarily accountable only to each other. Citizenship was seen as a minor inconvenience. Nationhood and patriotism were just sentimental relics from less enlightened times.

The Epstein affair reads like a case study in Lasch's thesis...:

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This is very good.

Well, Bondi made it all available. We will finally get an accounting of who did what. Too many listed by association and the coverup dragged them into the shadows, which they don't deserve.

Those that took part, deserve what they get. What went on, has too many ramifications not to get sunlight.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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The same could be said about all of Ukraine. There are lots of native Russians who speak Russian.

But that doesn't change the fact that the fighting is taking place in an area of Ukraine, and the people therein were Ukrainian citizens. And the violence there has occurred after the invasion of those areas by Russia.

So it's really an apples to oranges comparison, when compared to Gaza.

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Ukraine has been attacking civilians since long before the invasion, and unlike the Russians, they do so intentionally. Russia chose to invade in February of 2022 in part because Kiev was preparing to escalate attacks on the Donbas.

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Pre-2014?

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If China' version of the CIA overthrow the government of Canada and installs a Pro-CCP Prime Minister who leaves NATO and joins a defensive alliance with China... what would America do?

Actually look no further than Venezuela... we just killed a bunch of people, kidnapped the President, and took their oil... why is Russia evil when they do the same thing?

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This is just another made-up conspiracy theory. There is no verifiable evidence that the CIA directly engineered the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, though Russia has of course alleged the 2014 Maidan Revolution was a US-backed coup as pretext for their invasion. The 2014 revolution followed mass protests against President Yanukovych, which were driven by domestic discontent due to his susceptibility to Russian influence and pressure, and his suspension of constitutional amendments. He ended up killing hundreds, if not thousands of protestors in the process. He was quite unpopular, and the decision to cozy up with Russia was not popular among the people.

There simply is no verifiable evidence of any foreign orchestrated action.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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Applied to our Revolutionary War, Sam would be on the British side for those reasons. How dare the colonists demand their freedom from British dominion!

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Donetsk and Luhansk were demanding their freedom from Ukraine, not Russia. So actually it's you who would be on the British side.

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This is a very charitable (and as always, pro-Russian) characterization of the facts. What really happened is pro-Russian separatist groups seized control of the govts. of these provinces in protest of the post-Maidan government in Kyiv, and the politicians, faced with being assassinated, decided to declare independence, which of course was not recognized internationally. While some local support existed for the separatists, studies and polls from 2014 indicated that a majority of the population in these regions did not support immediate secession.

Sam Lowry said:

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Mothra said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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You still haven't grasped one of the most basic concepts, which is the distinction between why a war is fought and how a war is fought.

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Another one of your hallmark vague platitudes that lacks substance.

You got nothing.

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It's at the core of the Just War analysis.

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As pointed out, you've yet to make a compelling case.

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You consider the people in Donetsk and Luhansk, Russian?

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Of course they are Russian. Russian is their mother tongue. The majority of them are part of the canonical Ukrainian Orthodox Church. They are genetically Russian.

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Applied to our Revolutionary War, Sam would be on the British side for those reasons. How dare the colonists demand their freedom from British dominion!

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Donetsk and Luhansk were demanding their freedom from Ukraine, not Russia. So actually it's you who would be on the British side.

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This is a very charitable (and as always, pro-Russian) characterization of the facts. What really happened is pro-Russian separatist groups seized control of the govts. of these provinces in protest of the post-Maidan government in Kyiv, and the politicians, faced with being assassinated, decided to declare independence, which of course was not recognized internationally. While some local support existed for the separatists, studies and polls from 2014 indicated that a majority of the population in these regions did not support immediate secession.

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On the contrary, independent polling showed overwhelming support.

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The_barBEARian said:

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If China' version of the CIA overthrow the government of Canada and installs a Pro-CCP Prime Minister who leaves NATO and joins a defensive alliance with China... what would America do?

Actually look no further than Venezuela... we just killed a bunch of people, kidnapped the President, and took their oil... why is Russia evil when they do the same thing?

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This is just another made-up conspiracy theory. There is no verifiable evidence that the CIA directly engineered the overthrow of the Ukrainian government, though Russia has of course alleged the 2014 Maidan Revolution was a US-backed coup as pretext for their invasion. The 2014 revolution followed mass protests against President Yanukovych, which were driven by domestic discontent due to his susceptibility to Russian influence and pressure, and his suspension of constitutional amendments. He ended up killing hundreds, if not thousands of protestors in the process. He was quite unpopular, and the decision to cozy up with Russia was not popular among the people.

There simply is no verifiable evidence of any foreign orchestrated action.

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About 100 were killed, mostly by anti-government militias.