The Left loves mass murder: babies in the womb, terrorists, anyone killing Jews or Christian's (and other groups), treating illegal aliens murderers & rapists as heroes, defunding the police, celebrating & excusing criminals in general, and on and on. The last thing the Left wants is any real justice. Heck they treat Luigi Mangione as a hero and celebrate the murder of Charlie Kirk. Barbarians.

Wangchung said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Wangchung said:

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rejecting Romans 1:27
"27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Or rejecting Colossians 3:8

"8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips."

Is the Colossians passage a plank in your eye?

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Remind me again when we have the anger, rage, malice, slander and filthy language pride parade/month and are celebrated and elevated by all major media networks and the fake Christian denominations?

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I take it you don't have cable, don't attend sporting events, always follow good drivers?

One thing has supporters doing everything they can to make it mainstream. The other thing is already mainstream.

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Oh cool! Where can I attend a Curse Word Pride Parade? Are there any scholarships for people who curse? Hate crime protections? Can tell you how many times people have assaulted others over curse words and that bigotry needs to end.

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From a secular sense, none of the things I mentioned in the OP are bad.

The thread isn't about secularism.

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Right. It's about sin. You're wondering why some care about homosexuality more than the more banal sins like cursing. It has been clearly explained why they are treated differently.

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Not "some" as a group but, "some" as individuals.

You're right, there are no cursing clubs or organizations.

I get to answer for me, you get to answer for you..

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historian said:

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Wangchung said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Wangchung said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Wangchung said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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rejecting Romans 1:27
"27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Or rejecting Colossians 3:8

"8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips."

Is the Colossians passage a plank in your eye?

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Remind me again when we have the anger, rage, malice, slander and filthy language pride parade/month and are celebrated and elevated by all major media networks and the fake Christian denominations?

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I take it you don't have cable, don't attend sporting events, always follow good drivers?

One thing has supporters doing everything they can to make it mainstream. The other thing is already mainstream.

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Oh cool! Where can I attend a Curse Word Pride Parade? Are there any scholarships for people who curse? Hate crime protections? Can tell you how many times people have assaulted others over curse words and that bigotry needs to end.

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From a secular sense, none of the things I mentioned in the OP are bad.

The thread isn't about secularism.

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Right. It's about sin. You're wondering why some care about homosexuality more than the more banal sins like cursing. It has been clearly explained why they are treated differently.

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No sins should be treated differently. Sin is sin and they all matter. In the cosmic sense, God does not treat them differently.

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Neat. Not all sins are shoved in our faces and we are called bigots or worse for not celebrating. You won't lose your job for publicly talking bad about liars and murderers. It's not the same.

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In this thread, you continue to blend our relationship with the world with our relationship with God.

At one time George Carlin's 7 dirty words was a big hit because it was cutting edge. Today, it wouldn't raise an eyebrow because they are a part of everyday culture. The culture has changed.

What was a sin in 1976 is still a sin today. Not because it's judged by the culture but because it is judged by God.

Culture be damned…. literally.

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If you are paying them they are not slaves, by definition.

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Between you and me, I don't really own any slaves or indentured servants. My post was intended to highlight the problem of saying the scriptures are infallible and should be interpreted verbatim. The Old Testament and New were written and passed down for thousands / hundreds of years by mortal men. Mortal men make mistakes and are far from perfect.

The Bible is the inspired word of God,- not the literal words of God.

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Who said scripture should be interpreted verbatim?

Christ described himself as "the door" not the three oh, seven oh door.

Christ told us to hate our father and mother but He doesn't want us to hate our father and mother.

Context matters.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Wangchung said:

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historian said:

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Wangchung said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Wangchung said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Wangchung said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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rejecting Romans 1:27
"27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Or rejecting Colossians 3:8

"8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips."

Is the Colossians passage a plank in your eye?

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Remind me again when we have the anger, rage, malice, slander and filthy language pride parade/month and are celebrated and elevated by all major media networks and the fake Christian denominations?

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I take it you don't have cable, don't attend sporting events, always follow good drivers?

One thing has supporters doing everything they can to make it mainstream. The other thing is already mainstream.

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Oh cool! Where can I attend a Curse Word Pride Parade? Are there any scholarships for people who curse? Hate crime protections? Can tell you how many times people have assaulted others over curse words and that bigotry needs to end.

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From a secular sense, none of the things I mentioned in the OP are bad.

The thread isn't about secularism.

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Right. It's about sin. You're wondering why some care about homosexuality more than the more banal sins like cursing. It has been clearly explained why they are treated differently.

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No sins should be treated differently. Sin is sin and they all matter. In the cosmic sense, God does not treat them differently.

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Neat. Not all sins are shoved in our faces and we are called bigots or worse for not celebrating. You won't lose your job for publicly talking bad about liars and murderers. It's not the same.

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In this thread, you continue to blend our relationship with the world with our relationship with God.

At one time George Carlin's 7 dirty words was a big hit because it was cutting edge. Today, it wouldn't raise an eyebrow because they are a part of everyday culture. The culture has changed.

What was a sin in 1976 is still a sin today. Not because it's judged by the culture but because it is judged by God.

Culture be damned…. literally.

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I blend them because the topic of the thread questions why some sins are focused on more than others. Whether that is asking as a society or as posters here on Sicem, the answer is the same, so don't let that get in the way of the greater point that clearly answers the original question.

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If you are paying them they are not slaves, by definition.

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Between you and me, I don't really own any slaves or indentured servants. My post was intended to highlight the problem of saying the scriptures are infallible and should be interpreted verbatim. The Old Testament and New were written and passed down for thousands / hundreds of years by mortal men. Mortal men make mistakes and are far from perfect.

The Bible is the inspired word of God,- not the literal words of God.

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What I think gets missed, is context. A lot of people cite individual verses and put them together (or just toss out one verse by itself) to create an argument which may miss - or even ignore - the intent of the original scripture.

Consider, as an example, how many of the Mosaic laws were handed down while the Hebrew people were in the wilderness. Laws about hygiene, disease, food preparation and preservation take on a different meaning when you consider that the Hebrew people were at that time isolated and concentrated, and an outbreak could devastate the population. I am not saying that is the only reason, but it plays a role, and also helps explain why Jesus was far less worried about washing hands before eating and why in the New Testament a food previously forbidden may become acceptable.

This is why proper Bible study looks at larger samples of text, and depends on context.

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Hand washing before eating was NOT a mosaic Law. It was an oral tradition. Jesus' point was that the Pharisees were treating their oral tradition as being on the same level as the written Law. Roman Catholics and Orthodox christians need to take heed.

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Oldbear83 said:

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historian said:

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If you are paying them they are not slaves, by definition.

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Between you and me, I don't really own any slaves or indentured servants. My post was intended to highlight the problem of saying the scriptures are infallible and should be interpreted verbatim. The Old Testament and New were written and passed down for thousands / hundreds of years by mortal men. Mortal men make mistakes and are far from perfect.

The Bible is the inspired word of God,- not the literal words of God.

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What I think gets missed, is context. A lot of people cite individual verses and put them together (or just toss out one verse by itself) to create an argument which may miss - or even ignore - the intent of the original scripture.

Consider, as an example, how many of the Mosaic laws were handed down while the Hebrew people were in the wilderness. Laws about hygiene, disease, food preparation and preservation take on a different meaning when you consider that the Hebrew people were at that time isolated and concentrated, and an outbreak could devastate the population. I am not saying that is the only reason, but it plays a role, and also helps explain why Jesus was far less worried about washing hands before eating and why in the New Testament a food previously forbidden may become acceptable.

This is why proper Bible study looks at larger samples of text, and depends on context.

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Hand washing before eating was NOT a mosaic Law. It was an oral tradition. Jesus' point was that the Pharisees were treating their oral tradition as being on the same level as the written Law. Roman Catholics and Orthodox christians need to take heed.

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…and Baptist. We don't always have to have green bean casserole at the pot luck.

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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historian said:

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If you are paying them they are not slaves, by definition.

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Between you and me, I don't really own any slaves or indentured servants. My post was intended to highlight the problem of saying the scriptures are infallible and should be interpreted verbatim. The Old Testament and New were written and passed down for thousands / hundreds of years by mortal men. Mortal men make mistakes and are far from perfect.

The Bible is the inspired word of God,- not the literal words of God.

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What I think gets missed, is context. A lot of people cite individual verses and put them together (or just toss out one verse by itself) to create an argument which may miss - or even ignore - the intent of the original scripture.

Consider, as an example, how many of the Mosaic laws were handed down while the Hebrew people were in the wilderness. Laws about hygiene, disease, food preparation and preservation take on a different meaning when you consider that the Hebrew people were at that time isolated and concentrated, and an outbreak could devastate the population. I am not saying that is the only reason, but it plays a role, and also helps explain why Jesus was far less worried about washing hands before eating and why in the New Testament a food previously forbidden may become acceptable.

This is why proper Bible study looks at larger samples of text, and depends on context.

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Hand washing before eating was NOT a mosaic Law. It was an oral tradition. Jesus' point was that the Pharisees were treating their oral tradition as being on the same level as the written Law. Roman Catholics and Orthodox christians need to take heed.

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…and Baptist. We don't always have to have green bean casserole at the pot luck.

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In what way do Baptists do this?

Good point. There are sections of the Bible that are not intended to be taken literally. Christ's "I am" statements on joh are excellent examples. Many of the prophecies are confusing because they were apocryphal visions of much later events told by someone 2,000 or 3,000 years ago. They probably described it as best they could from their perspective. I can only imagine how someone from ancient times would describe airplanes, helicopters, autos, motorcycles, etc assuming that's what they were describing.

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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historian said:

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If you are paying them they are not slaves, by definition.

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Between you and me, I don't really own any slaves or indentured servants. My post was intended to highlight the problem of saying the scriptures are infallible and should be interpreted verbatim. The Old Testament and New were written and passed down for thousands / hundreds of years by mortal men. Mortal men make mistakes and are far from perfect.

The Bible is the inspired word of God,- not the literal words of God.

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What I think gets missed, is context. A lot of people cite individual verses and put them together (or just toss out one verse by itself) to create an argument which may miss - or even ignore - the intent of the original scripture.

Consider, as an example, how many of the Mosaic laws were handed down while the Hebrew people were in the wilderness. Laws about hygiene, disease, food preparation and preservation take on a different meaning when you consider that the Hebrew people were at that time isolated and concentrated, and an outbreak could devastate the population. I am not saying that is the only reason, but it plays a role, and also helps explain why Jesus was far less worried about washing hands before eating and why in the New Testament a food previously forbidden may become acceptable.

This is why proper Bible study looks at larger samples of text, and depends on context.

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Hand washing before eating was NOT a mosaic Law. It was an oral tradition. Jesus' point was that the Pharisees were treating their oral tradition as being on the same level as the written Law. Roman Catholics and Orthodox christians need to take heed.

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…and Baptist. We don't always have to have green bean casserole at the pot luck.

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In what way do Baptists do this?

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My wife doesn't laugh at my jokes either. Just skip it and let's stay on topic

I derailed my own thread.

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Wangchung said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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rejecting Romans 1:27
"27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Or rejecting Colossians 3:8

"8 But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips."

Is the Colossians passage a plank in your eye?

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If the Bible is to be followed literally, I would have gouged both of my eyes out at 16.

Matthew 5:28-30

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Are F-bombs only permissible at the deer lease and golf course or is the choir loft included?

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No one is celebrating that, but you are celebrating the degeneracy of the butt sex lifestyle. That's the difference you keep trying to ignore.

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I'm absolutely NOT celebrating butt sex lifestyle.

I frequently point out that Waco47 treats the Bible like a Chinese menu, picking and choosing what he wants. I think many of us, myself included, tend to do the same thing.

There's been threads on the forum before defending foul language. The thread is simply pointing out the similarities many of us have with 47 et al.

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I get your point here, and you do have a point that people tend to pick and choose which sins are bad and which they can choose to commit. My point is we all sin, but we have to genuinely try to NOT sin. We don't hold Liar Pride parades BUT WE CELEBRATE SALESPERSON OF THE MONTH REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY GOT THERE (that's why I have a sign in my office that says "truth vs agenda-who wins?",

we don't have Murderer Pride Month BUT THE NUMBER OF TEARDROPS TATTOOED BY THE EYE PROVIDE STREET CREDIT AND A SCORE CARD FOR MURDER,

no Covet thy neighbor's wife week BUT WE TALK ABOUT TROPHY WIVES AND SOME CELEBRATE THAT

etc. So there is sin we commit against our own wishes, and those sins some choose to elevate to exalted status in society. That is what makes people focus on particular sins over others.

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You and I don't celebrate the homosexual lifestyle but certain parts of society do, just as certain parts of society celebrate the benefits of lies, murder, and coveting another's wife, mule, TaylorMades etc. Advertising thrives on the public's level of coveting.

What is it that defiles a man?

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The scriptures are infallible. They are the perfect word of God. The words were inspired by God and written by men with divine clarity and unity. Yes, we humans are flawed but God uses flawed humans to achieve His purpose sometimes in huge ways, more often in small things. Moses, David, Peter, & Paul were all flawed. Their flaws help to illustrate God's perfection and power. He gets the glory.

Any problem we humans have in understanding or interpreting scripture is 100% on us.

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so what kind of literal wine was it ? Bordeaux, Burgundy? yep infallible.

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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historian said:

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If you are paying them they are not slaves, by definition.

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Between you and me, I don't really own any slaves or indentured servants. My post was intended to highlight the problem of saying the scriptures are infallible and should be interpreted verbatim. The Old Testament and New were written and passed down for thousands / hundreds of years by mortal men. Mortal men make mistakes and are far from perfect.

The Bible is the inspired word of God,- not the literal words of God.

---

What I think gets missed, is context. A lot of people cite individual verses and put them together (or just toss out one verse by itself) to create an argument which may miss - or even ignore - the intent of the original scripture.

Consider, as an example, how many of the Mosaic laws were handed down while the Hebrew people were in the wilderness. Laws about hygiene, disease, food preparation and preservation take on a different meaning when you consider that the Hebrew people were at that time isolated and concentrated, and an outbreak could devastate the population. I am not saying that is the only reason, but it plays a role, and also helps explain why Jesus was far less worried about washing hands before eating and why in the New Testament a food previously forbidden may become acceptable.

This is why proper Bible study looks at larger samples of text, and depends on context.

---

Hand washing before eating was NOT a mosaic Law. It was an oral tradition. Jesus' point was that the Pharisees were treating their oral tradition as being on the same level as the written Law. Roman Catholics and Orthodox christians need to take heed.

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…and Baptist. We don't always have to have green bean casserole at the pot luck.

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In what way do Baptists do this?

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My wife doesn't laugh at my jokes either. Just skip it and let's stay on topic

I derailed my own thread.

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I got a chuckle out of it.

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What is it that defiles a man?

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Spiritual food that doesn't come from God.

What we put in place of the spiritual food we need will defile us and make us spiritually weak.

Examples:

- Sports when it takes precedence over spiritual life
- A really nice ride when it takes precedence over our financial obligations to God and others
- The latest video game when it takes away time for daily prayer and scripture study
- The desire to control every aspect of our life when it keeps us from accepting God's leading
- Fear when it puts other people's perception of us above God's will for us

There is, of course, a lot more that can rule over us if we are not alert and daily in communication with God. Everyone is a little different in their weak spots. I know I have several to watch over.

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" Bordeaux, Burgundy? "

You do understand this was not just miracle wine, but happened in the Middle East, not France, hmm?

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where do you think those grapes come from, clown? Middle East. First wine created in Croatia. Stay on point. I have an issue with all you inherency people. Water into wine is just the most fanciful.

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Bordeaux, Burgundy? "

You do understand this was not just miracle wine, but happened in the Middle East, not France, hmm?

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where do you think those grapes come from, clown? Middle East. First wine created in Croatia. Stay on point. I have an issue with all you inherency people. Water into wine is just the most fanciful.

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How do you feel about pond scum to quick lube employee?

LIB,MR BEARS said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Bordeaux, Burgundy? "

You do understand this was not just miracle wine, but happened in the Middle East, not France, hmm?

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where do you think those grapes come from, clown? Middle East. First wine created in Croatia. Stay on point. I have an issue with all you inherency people. Water into wine is just the most fanciful.

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How do you feel about pond scum to quick lube employee?

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just carry on with your Latte swilling mega church with your ripped jeans and frosted tips. The go home to 4 walls of air(mcmansion. ) in some podunk burb. enjoy queer