KaiBear said:

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Section 122 allows temporary tariffs to address balance-of-payments issues. It is narrower and time-limited compared to broader emergency powers.

If used ‘across the board,’ it would likely trigger immediate legal scrutiny again.

— Dr. Lakshay Mittal (@drlsmittal) February 20, 2026

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what value is there in an oath to execute the laws faithfully from a man who either has no regard for the law or delusionally sees the law as what he personally wants with what he doesn't want seen not merely as illegal but treasonous?

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We saw from his first term that he had no real knowledge of the Constitution, or desire to understand it. This term he seem to want to actually understand how to circumvent it.

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Continues to amuse me how leftists constantly refer to the constitution…..when only one in a thousand of them actually posses complete comprehension of the document.

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What is the statistic for righties?

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Probably slightly better.

Since most righties can actually read beyond a 5th grade level .

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That could be accurate. I would not expect either side to hold a major advantage in understanding the Constitution.

Indiana Governor Mike Braun says President Trump’s tariffs helped revive manufacturing in the state:

“The amount of investment that’s coming back to this country… you can do that through tariffs.” pic.twitter.com/BOnZ4QkK52

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) February 22, 2026

Has any Republican governor said anything bad about the tariffs? Has any Democratic governor said anything good?

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Has any Republican governor said anything bad about the tariffs? Has any Democratic governor said anything good?

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I'm sure there have been some GOP critics of all ranks

Because there is more ideological debate and disagreement on the Right in modern America than there is on the Left

PS

"Wyoming Governor Mark Gordon has been one of the most prominent GOP voices to express direct concern about their impact."

We've arrived at some weird Dungeons and Dragons world where magic words must be cast to validate the executive power of the Presidency.

"You said IEEPA, not 122 or 891 and your roll of 5 isn't high enough to counter the spell."
- said Dungeon Master Roberts pic.twitter.com/I1yLJ7zsiy

— Equality 7-2521 (@Equality7d2521) February 22, 2026

🇺🇸JUST IN: Thousands of companies, including Costco, have filed lawsuits seeking over $150B in refunds on duties paid under Trump's tariffs. pic.twitter.com/AFKsTS5pM9

— Coin Bureau (@coinbureau) February 22, 2026

Trouble in Trump panhandling paradise?

The Art of the Deal.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-says-accept-no-increase-160348603.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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Trouble in Trump panhandling paradise?

The Art of the Deal.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-says-accept-no-increase-160348603.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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If they have a written deal then it should be honored.

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Trouble in Trump panhandling paradise?

The Art of the Deal.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/eu-says-accept-no-increase-160348603.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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If they have a written deal then it should be honored.

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Depends on what the contract says. It appears that Trump and the United States have broken the contract.

The scariest part here is what kind of reckless, nasty, threatening temper tantrum is Trump going to throw at the EU for giving him the finger on his tariffs?

NEW -- SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON said he doesn't think there would be much of an appetite for legislation putting in place new tariffs:

"It's going to be, I think, a challenge to find consensus on any path forward on the tariffs on the legislative side. And so that is why I think…

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) February 23, 2026

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🇺🇸JUST IN: Thousands of companies, including Costco, have filed lawsuits seeking over $150B in refunds on duties paid under Trump's tariffs. pic.twitter.com/AFKsTS5pM9

— Coin Bureau (@coinbureau) February 22, 2026

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As expected.

That's the problem with a shotgun and haphazard approach. Big L for Trump here.

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So these businesses just ate their tariff losses instead of passing them on to the consumer? Really?

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🇺🇸JUST IN: Thousands of companies, including Costco, have filed lawsuits seeking over $150B in refunds on duties paid under Trump's tariffs. pic.twitter.com/AFKsTS5pM9

— Coin Bureau (@coinbureau) February 22, 2026

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As expected.

That's the problem with a shotgun and haphazard approach. Big L for Trump here.

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So these businesses just ate their tariff losses instead of passing them on to the consumer? Really?

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Both. Studies I linked previously show they passed much of the costs off to consumers, but also absorbed some of the costs, resulting in smaller profit margins to American firms (in addition to a decline in jobs). Here is another that explains it for those too lazy to review my previous links.

https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2025/06/are-businesses-absorbing-the-tariffs-or-passing-them-on-to-their-customers/

Of course, this is something you should have learned in high school economics (sleep through that class)?

And now, the businesses will be seeking a refund from the tariffs they passed on to the American consumer, resulting in essentially a double recovery, in legal parlance.

So, Trump's amazing tariff policy at the end of the day will be a huge boon to their bottom lines. Of course, American consumers will take it in the shorts, as usual.

Thanks, Trump!

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Today, the Supreme Court decided that Congress, despite giving the president the ability to "regulate imports", didn't actually mean it. This is lawlessness from the Court, plain and simple. And its only effect will be to make it harder for the president to protect American…

— JD Vance (@JDVance) February 20, 2026

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Remember kids, tariffs are a tax, but Obamacare mandates aren't a tax despite the marketplace actually taking your tax refund to cover subsidies.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. The Court's ruling on Obamacare was wrong. This ruling isn't.

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Has any Republican governor said anything bad about the tariffs? Has any Democratic governor said anything good?

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This is not about tariffs? Do them. It is how he did them. Work with Congress, Commerce do the work and use them.

This is mot about tariffs. This is Trump pissed he cant just do what he wants whenever hwe wants.

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Would be awesome if congress didn't hate us and actually wanted to work with POTUS.

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🇺🇸JUST IN: Thousands of companies, including Costco, have filed lawsuits seeking over $150B in refunds on duties paid under Trump's tariffs. pic.twitter.com/AFKsTS5pM9

— Coin Bureau (@coinbureau) February 22, 2026

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As expected.

That's the problem with a shotgun and haphazard approach. Big L for Trump here.

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So these businesses just ate their tariff losses instead of passing them on to the consumer? Really?

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Both. Studies I linked previously show they passed much of the costs off to consumers, but also absorbed some of the costs, resulting in smaller profit margins to American firms (in addition to a decline in jobs). Here is another that explains it for those too lazy to review my previous links.

https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2025/06/are-businesses-absorbing-the-tariffs-or-passing-them-on-to-their-customers/

Of course, this is something you should have learned in high school economics (sleep through that class)?

And now, the businesses will be seeking a refund from the tariffs they passed on to the American consumer, resulting in essentially a double recovery, in legal parlance.

So, Trump's amazing tariff policy at the end of the day will be a huge boon to their bottom lines. Of course, American consumers will take it in the shorts, as usual.

Thanks, Trump!

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Sincere thanks for the response. But I do have a quick question: how does one sleep through a class in a course one never took?

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boognish_bear said:

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🇺🇸JUST IN: Thousands of companies, including Costco, have filed lawsuits seeking over $150B in refunds on duties paid under Trump's tariffs. pic.twitter.com/AFKsTS5pM9

— Coin Bureau (@coinbureau) February 22, 2026

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As expected.

That's the problem with a shotgun and haphazard approach. Big L for Trump here.

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So these businesses just ate their tariff losses instead of passing them on to the consumer? Really?

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Both. Studies I linked previously show they passed much of the costs off to consumers, but also absorbed some of the costs, resulting in smaller profit margins to American firms (in addition to a decline in jobs). Here is another that explains it for those too lazy to review my previous links.

https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2025/06/are-businesses-absorbing-the-tariffs-or-passing-them-on-to-their-customers/

Of course, this is something you should have learned in high school economics (sleep through that class)?

And now, the businesses will be seeking a refund from the tariffs they passed on to the American consumer, resulting in essentially a double recovery, in legal parlance.

So, Trump's amazing tariff policy at the end of the day will be a huge boon to their bottom lines. Of course, American consumers will take it in the shorts, as usual.

Thanks, Trump!

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Sincere thanks for the response. But I do have a quick question: how does one sleep through a class in a course one never took?

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This explains a lot.

Mothra said:

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canoso said:

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🇺🇸JUST IN: Thousands of companies, including Costco, have filed lawsuits seeking over $150B in refunds on duties paid under Trump's tariffs. pic.twitter.com/AFKsTS5pM9

— Coin Bureau (@coinbureau) February 22, 2026

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As expected.

That's the problem with a shotgun and haphazard approach. Big L for Trump here.

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So these businesses just ate their tariff losses instead of passing them on to the consumer? Really?

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Both. Studies I linked previously show they passed much of the costs off to consumers, but also absorbed some of the costs, resulting in smaller profit margins to American firms (in addition to a decline in jobs). Here is another that explains it for those too lazy to review my previous links.

https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2025/06/are-businesses-absorbing-the-tariffs-or-passing-them-on-to-their-customers/

Of course, this is something you should have learned in high school economics (sleep through that class)?

And now, the businesses will be seeking a refund from the tariffs they passed on to the American consumer, resulting in essentially a double recovery, in legal parlance.

So, Trump's amazing tariff policy at the end of the day will be a huge boon to their bottom lines. Of course, American consumers will take it in the shorts, as usual.

Thanks, Trump!

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Sincere thanks for the response. But I do have a quick question: how does one sleep through a class in a course one never took?

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This explains a lot.

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Absolutely. Why do you think I asked my question? Economics was not a required course at any level of my formal education, and other electives interested me more. My informal education continues.

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🇺🇸JUST IN: Thousands of companies, including Costco, have filed lawsuits seeking over $150B in refunds on duties paid under Trump's tariffs. pic.twitter.com/AFKsTS5pM9

— Coin Bureau (@coinbureau) February 22, 2026

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As expected.

That's the problem with a shotgun and haphazard approach. Big L for Trump here.

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So these businesses just ate their tariff losses instead of passing them on to the consumer? Really?

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Both. Studies I linked previously show they passed much of the costs off to consumers, but also absorbed some of the costs, resulting in smaller profit margins to American firms (in addition to a decline in jobs). Here is another that explains it for those too lazy to review my previous links.

https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2025/06/are-businesses-absorbing-the-tariffs-or-passing-them-on-to-their-customers/

Of course, this is something you should have learned in high school economics (sleep through that class)?

And now, the businesses will be seeking a refund from the tariffs they passed on to the American consumer, resulting in essentially a double recovery, in legal parlance.

So, Trump's amazing tariff policy at the end of the day will be a huge boon to their bottom lines. Of course, American consumers will take it in the shorts, as usual.

Thanks, Trump!

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Sincere thanks for the response. But I do have a quick question: how does one sleep through a class in a course one never took?

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This explains a lot.

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Absolutely. Why do you think I asked my question? Economics was not a required course at any level of my formal education, and other electives interested me more. My informal education continues.

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You asked because you saw my previous statement that the costs are passed off to consumers, and you thought you had a real gotcha with your silly question.

This is what you do.

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We've arrived at some weird Dungeons and Dragons world where magic words must be cast to validate the executive power of the Presidency.

"You said IEEPA, not 122 or 891 and your roll of 5 isn't high enough to counter the spell."
- said Dungeon Master Roberts pic.twitter.com/I1yLJ7zsiy

— Equality 7-2521 (@Equality7d2521) February 22, 2026

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In the real world in the private sector, you want your company to be easy to do business with. The United States is becoming more and more difficult to do business with. Donald Trump is basically saying you either give us money or we don't want to do business with you. At this point in the real world, companies start looking elsewhere for other suppliers. This is exactly what is happening to the United States. Not real sure how anyone that understands business and economics thinks this is good trade policy. It is not.

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LOL flatly at odds with reality.

We have +$20T in foreign investment pouring in for energy, infrastructure, and production capacity. They are making those investments despite having to pay higher tariffs for the privilege of doing business here.

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boognish_bear said:

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🇺🇸JUST IN: Thousands of companies, including Costco, have filed lawsuits seeking over $150B in refunds on duties paid under Trump's tariffs. pic.twitter.com/AFKsTS5pM9

— Coin Bureau (@coinbureau) February 22, 2026

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As expected.



That's the problem with a shotgun and haphazard approach. Big L for Trump here.

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So these businesses just ate their tariff losses instead of passing them on to the consumer? Really?

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Both. Studies I linked previously show they passed much of the costs off to consumers, but also absorbed some of the costs, resulting in smaller profit margins to American firms (in addition to a decline in jobs). Here is another that explains it for those too lazy to review my previous links.

https://libertystreeteconomics.newyorkfed.org/2025/06/are-businesses-absorbing-the-tariffs-or-passing-them-on-to-their-customers/

Of course, this is something you should have learned in high school economics (sleep through that class)?

And now, the businesses will be seeking a refund from the tariffs they passed on to the American consumer, resulting in essentially a double recovery, in legal parlance.

So, Trump's amazing tariff policy at the end of the day will be a huge boon to their bottom lines. Of course, American consumers will take it in the shorts, as usual.

Thanks, Trump!

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Sincere thanks for the response. But I do have a quick question: how does one sleep through a class in a course one never took?

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This explains a lot.

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Absolutely. Why do you think I asked my question? Economics was not a required course at any level of my formal education, and other electives interested me more. My informal education continues.

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Out of curiosity only: what state did you go to high school in? Economics has been a required high school course in Texas since at least the early 90s (dating myself). It's possible you're older than me, went to private schools (I'm not sure their graduation requirements), or went out of state.

Just curious which here.

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Redbrickbear said:

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We've arrived at some weird Dungeons and Dragons world where magic words must be cast to validate the executive power of the Presidency.

"You said IEEPA, not 122 or 891 and your roll of 5 isn't high enough to counter the spell."
- said Dungeon Master Roberts pic.twitter.com/I1yLJ7zsiy

— Equality 7-2521 (@Equality7d2521) February 22, 2026

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In the real world in the private sector, you want your company to be easy to do business with. The United States is becoming more and more difficult to do business with. Donald Trump is basically saying you either give us money or we don't want to do business with you. At this point in the real world, companies start looking elsewhere for other suppliers. This is exactly what is happening to the United States. Not real sure how anyone that understands business and economics thinks this is good trade policy. It is not.

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LOL flatly at odds with reality.

We have +$20T in foreign investment pouring in for energy, infrastructure, and production capacity. They are making those investments despite having to pay higher tariffs for the privilege of doing business here.

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20T??? Our whole economy is 30T, if that were to happen GDP would increase by 66%. You really think this is accurate?

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whiterock said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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We've arrived at some weird Dungeons and Dragons world where magic words must be cast to validate the executive power of the Presidency.

"You said IEEPA, not 122 or 891 and your roll of 5 isn't high enough to counter the spell."
- said Dungeon Master Roberts pic.twitter.com/I1yLJ7zsiy

— Equality 7-2521 (@Equality7d2521) February 22, 2026

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In the real world in the private sector, you want your company to be easy to do business with. The United States is becoming more and more difficult to do business with. Donald Trump is basically saying you either give us money or we don't want to do business with you. At this point in the real world, companies start looking elsewhere for other suppliers. This is exactly what is happening to the United States. Not real sure how anyone that understands business and economics thinks this is good trade policy. It is not.

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LOL flatly at odds with reality.

We have +$20T in foreign investment pouring in for energy, infrastructure, and production capacity. They are making those investments despite having to pay higher tariffs for the privilege of doing business here.

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20T??? Our whole economy is 30T, if that were to happen GDP would increase by 66%. You really think this is accurate?

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Yes, the number is $20T. It will not all hit in a single year. More like a 5yr parabola A little hit the last qtr of 2025. A bunch will hit this year. Same for 2027. Should start trickling downward in 2028.

I've explained this many times in context of the equation for GDP = C + I + G + T. Trump is attempting to stimulate long-term growth by driving up I in order to raise wages to stimulate C, rather than engaging in deficit spending to drive up G and derivatively stimulate C.

For the purposes of simply driving up GDP growth, his plan cannot fail. It's baked in. Driving up I will drive up GDP, and also stimulate C. Would be abnormal if it didn't. The only question is....can it be sustained. That's where the tariffs kick in. They will support increased domestic production (to replace reduced imports). That turns T from a negative number the last 50yrs to a positive number.

As the economists insist.....the only sustainable growth is export-led growth.

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Has any Republican governor said anything bad about the tariffs? Has any Democratic governor said anything good?

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This is not about tariffs? Do them. It is how he did them. Work with Congress, Commerce do the work and use them.

This is mot about tariffs. This is Trump pissed he cant just do what he wants whenever hwe wants.

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Would be awesome if congress didn't hate us and actually wanted to work with POTUS.

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congress hates trump not us. Trump has made his bed. I wouldn't work with that bully either.

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BUDOS said:

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Has any Republican governor said anything bad about the tariffs? Has any Democratic governor said anything good?

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This is not about tariffs? Do them. It is how he did them. Work with Congress, Commerce do the work and use them.

This is mot about tariffs. This is Trump pissed he cant just do what he wants whenever hwe wants.

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Would be awesome if congress didn't hate us and actually wanted to work with POTUS.

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Would be nice .

But I lost all hope of such consideration the day Dems declared Mitt Romney ( of all people ) wanted to put black people in chains.

Trump hurts his own case on many occasions…..but regardless which Republican follows him into the White House……the hatred from Dems and the legacy media will not diminish at all.

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Has any Republican governor said anything bad about the tariffs? Has any Democratic governor said anything good?

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This is not about tariffs? Do them. It is how he did them. Work with Congress, Commerce do the work and use them.

This is mot about tariffs. This is Trump pissed he cant just do what he wants whenever hwe wants.

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Would be awesome if congress didn't hate us and actually wanted to work with POTUS.

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congress hates trump not us. Trump has made his bed. I wouldn't work with that bully either.

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Wrong as usual. Trump supporters (I.e., the majority of the country per the last election) are actually the people dimcrats hate the most. They see Trump as the embodiment and leader of this group that is standing between them and the authoritarian power to "remake" the country that they so crave and thus focus an enormous amount of viscious hatred toward him, hoping, with the help of the sycophantic MSM, that simpleton dupes like yourself will believe that they only hate him because he's such a meanie. And not surprisingly in your TDS stricken brain you fall for it every time.

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Has any Republican governor said anything bad about the tariffs? Has any Democratic governor said anything good?

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This is not about tariffs? Do them. It is how he did them. Work with Congress, Commerce do the work and use them.

This is mot about tariffs. This is Trump pissed he cant just do what he wants whenever hwe wants.

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Would be awesome if congress didn't hate us and actually wanted to work with POTUS.

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congress hates trump not us. Trump has made his bed. I wouldn't work with that bully either.

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Wrong as usual. Trump supporters (I.e., the majority of the country per the last election) are actually the people dimcrats hate the most. They see Trump as the embodiment and leader of this group that is standing between them and the authoritarian power to "remake" the country that they so crave and thus focus an enormous amount of viscious hatred toward him, hoping, with the help of the sycophantic MSM, that simpleton dupes like yourself will believe that they only hate him because he's such a meanie. And not surprisingly in your TDS stricken brain you fall for it every time.

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here is why I think he is terrible for the US. which one of these traits are ok by you in the leader of the free world. The grift (stealing from you), Lies, Lies, That mfer cannot tell the truth. Tariffs have worked out really well. Minn. was horrific, childish, vindictive, petulant, crook,bully. which one of those traits to you and the Maggots respect. Yes, he won the election. We got what we voted for. Get ready for a D house and senate 100% due to Trump and his crooked cabinet.

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Redbrickbear said:

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We've arrived at some weird Dungeons and Dragons world where magic words must be cast to validate the executive power of the Presidency.

"You said IEEPA, not 122 or 891 and your roll of 5 isn't high enough to counter the spell."
- said Dungeon Master Roberts pic.twitter.com/I1yLJ7zsiy

— Equality 7-2521 (@Equality7d2521) February 22, 2026

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In the real world in the private sector, you want your company to be easy to do business with. The United States is becoming more and more difficult to do business with. Donald Trump is basically saying you either give us money or we don't want to do business with you. At this point in the real world, companies start looking elsewhere for other suppliers. This is exactly what is happening to the United States. Not real sure how anyone that understands business and economics thinks this is good trade policy. It is not.

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LOL flatly at odds with reality.

We have +$20T in foreign investment pouring in for energy, infrastructure, and production capacity. They are making those investments despite having to pay higher tariffs for the privilege of doing business here.

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This is what is at odds with reality:

Trump claimed in his speech last night that the income tax is going to be replaced by tariff revenue. The United States budget for 2025 was $7.2 trillion. Please know that most all revenue collected by the U.S. comes from income taxes and payroll taxes. Trump collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Trump needs to stop making unrealistic promises. His repeated $18 trillion promised for investment in the U.S. are mostly smiles and handshakes,- not formal contracts. As much as I wish it could, the math just does not work. Sorry.

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LOL like I said. We have over $20T in foreign investment pouring in for energy, infrastructure, and production capacity from allies who agreed to pay higher tariffs for the privilege of doing business here.

Whether or not future tariff revenue will replace the income tax is a completely different question. I'm skeptical that it will ever happen, but wouldn't mind a bit if it did. Neither should any reasonable person.