fubar said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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Per your 2nd point, he never said that tariffs collected in 2025 (as if no additional tariffs in greater amounts will be collected going forward) will replace income taxes. The comment had more to do with a shift to greater amounts of revenue being collected from tariffs to replace a significant amount of income taxes in the future. I agree it remains to be seen if that will happen, but I believe that's what the comment was intended to mean.

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I love you Johnny, but C'MON MANNNNNN!!!!!!

$190 billion tariff revenue would represent less than 3 percent of the $7.2 trillion budget. Trump has said that EVERYONE is getting a tax cut. Where will the lost revenue come from? Do you think the world is going to happily subsidize the United States for the next three years? I don't think so.

All of this reminds me of a term coined by former President George W. Bush, - "Fuzzy math!"

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If memory serves the "fuzzy math" comment by GHWB was directed at Reagan who was a pretty great POTUS (just sayin'). Again time will tell as far as the long term impact of using tariffs as an additional or substitutive option for revenue generation, but as one of millions of over taxed taxpayers, at a minimum I like the idea of increased external revenue replacing the same old same old concept of just continuing to 100% soak individual taxpayers. And as far as the short term goes so far, we're doing fine.

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"Fuzzy math" was GWB in response to Al Gore at their first debate. Seems like he said it a dozen times.

GHWB's dig at Reagan was "voodoo economics."

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You're right - got them confused. I'll also say Reagan's "voodoo economics" worked out spectacularly back in the day.

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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All of this reminds me of a term coined by former President George W. Bush, - "Fuzzy math!"



There is a lot of fuzzy math going on.

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If only someone would just talk to the national debt and de-escalate.

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I agree! Even if he is bringing in more money, he is spending more money. He wants 1.5T SecDef budget.

Debt is not coming down...

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Exactly! All he needs to do is just talk to the national debt in the right way to de-escalate it!

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We agree on this point...

I wouldn't mind seeing a percentage of the tariff's dedicated to the debt by law. That is how we smaller jurisdictions do it. It may take years, but it sundowns on debt being paid off.

If as much investment as that are saying is coming, 20T over 5 years. We can dedicate 15% of tariffs to debt retirement.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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All of this reminds me of a term coined by former President George W. Bush, - "Fuzzy math!"



There is a lot of fuzzy math going on.

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If only someone would just talk to the national debt and de-escalate.

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I agree! Even if he is bringing in more money, he is spending more money. He wants 1.5T SecDef budget.

Debt is not coming down...

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Exactly! All he needs to do is just talk to the national debt in the right way to de-escalate it!

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We agree on this point...

I wouldn't mind seeing a percentage of the tariff's dedicated to the debt by law. That is how we smaller jurisdictions do it. It may take years, but it sundowns on debt being paid off.

If as much investment as that are saying is coming, 20T over 5 years. We can dedicate 15% of tariffs to debt retirement.

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That's crazy. Trump doesn't need to do all that. All he needs to do is de-escalate the national debt through his words.

Yes, mocking medal winners is a good strategy!

Democrat Rep. Robin Kelly laughs at and mocks American veterans who received the Medal of Honor during President Trump's SOTU speech.

KELLY: “It was like an award show, you get a medal! You get a medal! You get a medal!”

Absolutely despicable. pic.twitter.com/dIPgxZayJp

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) February 25, 2026

Honoring our sacred trust with the American people.

When historic floods devastated Central Texas this July, @USCG Aviation Survival Technician Scott Ruskan and his fellow crewmembers answered the call.

Last night, @POTUS awarded Ruskan the Legion of Merit during the State of… pic.twitter.com/YRAwEVEdGK

— U.S. Coast Guard (@USCG) February 25, 2026

Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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All of this reminds me of a term coined by former President George W. Bush, - "Fuzzy math!"



There is a lot of fuzzy math going on.

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If only someone would just talk to the national debt and de-escalate.

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I agree! Even if he is bringing in more money, he is spending more money. He wants 1.5T SecDef budget.

Debt is not coming down...

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Exactly! All he needs to do is just talk to the national debt in the right way to de-escalate it!

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We agree on this point...

I wouldn't mind seeing a percentage of the tariff's dedicated to the debt by law. That is how we smaller jurisdictions do it. It may take years, but it sundowns on debt being paid off.

If as much investment as that are saying is coming, 20T over 5 years. We can dedicate 15% of tariffs to debt retirement.

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That's crazy. Trump doesn't need to do all that. All he needs to do is de-escalate the national debt through his words.

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If you want something paid for, dedicated revenue source is the best way. Words don't do it, they never survive the next emergency and there is always an emergency.

FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Wangchung said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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All of this reminds me of a term coined by former President George W. Bush, - "Fuzzy math!"



There is a lot of fuzzy math going on.

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If only someone would just talk to the national debt and de-escalate.

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I agree! Even if he is bringing in more money, he is spending more money. He wants 1.5T SecDef budget.

Debt is not coming down...

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Exactly! All he needs to do is just talk to the national debt in the right way to de-escalate it!

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We agree on this point...

I wouldn't mind seeing a percentage of the tariff's dedicated to the debt by law. That is how we smaller jurisdictions do it. It may take years, but it sundowns on debt being paid off.

If as much investment as that are saying is coming, 20T over 5 years. We can dedicate 15% of tariffs to debt retirement.

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That's crazy. Trump doesn't need to do all that. All he needs to do is de-escalate the national debt through his words.

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If you want something paid for, dedicated revenue source is the best way. Words don't do it, they never survive the next emergency and there is always an emergency.

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Nah, I have it on good authority that merely telling politicians and law enforcement that they should "de-escalate" without being specific is the best way to offer up an opinion on such topics.

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Yes, mocking medal winners is a good strategy!

Democrat Rep. Robin Kelly laughs at and mocks American veterans who received the Medal of Honor during President Trump's SOTU speech.

KELLY: “It was like an award show, you get a medal! You get a medal! You get a medal!”

Absolutely despicable. pic.twitter.com/dIPgxZayJp

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) February 25, 2026

Honoring our sacred trust with the American people.

When historic floods devastated Central Texas this July, @USCG Aviation Survival Technician Scott Ruskan and his fellow crewmembers answered the call.

Last night, @POTUS awarded Ruskan the Legion of Merit during the State of… pic.twitter.com/YRAwEVEdGK

— U.S. Coast Guard (@USCG) February 25, 2026

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Dang that is near soulless. They might want to check WHY they got a medal.

Jack Bauer said:

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Yes, mocking medal winners is a good strategy!

Democrat Rep. Robin Kelly laughs at and mocks American veterans who received the Medal of Honor during President Trump's SOTU speech.

KELLY: “It was like an award show, you get a medal! You get a medal! You get a medal!”

Absolutely despicable. pic.twitter.com/dIPgxZayJp

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) February 25, 2026

Honoring our sacred trust with the American people.

When historic floods devastated Central Texas this July, @USCG Aviation Survival Technician Scott Ruskan and his fellow crewmembers answered the call.

Last night, @POTUS awarded Ruskan the Legion of Merit during the State of… pic.twitter.com/YRAwEVEdGK

— U.S. Coast Guard (@USCG) February 25, 2026

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Another example of the absolute evil that is the modern demoncrat politician.

I'm sure that some democrat voters are good people... but they need to be exposed to just how evil their party leadership is right now.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

the only real unifying moment of the night was when he gave The Javelina the long Arbys curly fry........

- UF

can't lie - got a little choked up.

One of the few times everyone stood and applauded.

D!

{ sipping coffee }

{ eating donut }

Go Bears!!

whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Need to spell out each word very slowly for the ex football player.

whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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The vast majority of democrats in congress are just evil, and they proved it again tonight.

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And you know what we do with evil people

quash said:

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ShooterTX said:

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The vast majority of democrats in congress are just evil, and they proved it again tonight.

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And you know what we do with evil people

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I know you tend to worship them.

The rest of us just reject them and cast them out of civilized society.

quash said:

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ShooterTX said:

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The vast majority of democrats in congress are just evil, and they proved it again tonight.

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And you know what we do with evil people

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A scary number of us elect them into positions of leadership due to mental ******ation.

quash said:

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ShooterTX said:

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The vast majority of democrats in congress are just evil, and they proved it again tonight.

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And you know what we do with evil people

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re elect them?

We are an unserious voting populace

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

4th and Inches said:

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quash said:

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ShooterTX said:

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The vast majority of democrats in congress are just evil, and they proved it again tonight.

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And you know what we do with evil people

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re elect them?

We are an unserious voting populace

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Correct as to Trump

May you get what y'all voted for

whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

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I will simply quit trying to explain it to you, especially if you are just going to be an ass. Thought we were having a friendly discussion.

You should probably have a discussion with your taxman. He could obviously explain it a whole lot better than me. Good luck.

whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

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RD2 is a good guy. Have no doubt he's fun to have a few beers with.

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

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RD2 is a good guy. Have no doubt he's fun to have a few beers with.

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

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Not sure I see the need for insults from you either. Really not necessary.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

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RD2 is a good guy. Have no doubt he's fun to have a few beers with.

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

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Not sure I see the need for insults from you either. Really not necessary.

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My apologies.

Was trying to be balanced...not attempting to insult.

KaiBear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

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RD2 is a good guy. Have no doubt he's fun to have a few beers with.

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

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Not sure I see the need for insults from you either. Really not necessary.

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My apologies.

Was trying to be balanced...not attempting to insult.

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No problem. Thank you.

KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

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Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

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Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

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With all due respect, I told you guys months ago how the Supreme Court was going to rule on tariffs. I also told you how eight of the nine justices were going to vote. You are always welcome to disagree with and not like my opinion. But please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Have a good evening.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

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Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

---

With all due respect, I told you guys months ago how the Supreme Court was going to rule on tariffs. I also told you how eight of the nine justices were going to vote. You are always welcome to disagree with and not like my opinion. But please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Have a good evening.

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actually, I posted several times that I thought the tariff case was the one he was most likely to lose, that his best case victory would be 5-4.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

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No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

---

LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

---

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

---

With all due respect, I told you guys months ago how the Supreme Court was going to rule on tariffs. I also told you how eight of the nine justices were going to vote. You are always welcome to disagree with and not like my opinion. But please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Have a good evening.

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Thought we had this settled , but obviously you have decided to circle back.


Heck of a nice guy. Would rather drink beers with you than Trump or Obama.

But you were in the sales division for a reason

KaiBear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

---

I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

---

No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

---

LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

---

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

---

With all due respect, I told you guys months ago how the Supreme Court was going to rule on tariffs. I also told you how eight of the nine justices were going to vote. You are always welcome to disagree with and not like my opinion. But please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Have a good evening.

---

Thought we had this settled , but obviously you have decided to circle back.


Heck of a nice guy. Would rather drink beers with you than Trump or Obama.

But you were in the sales division for a reason

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Thank you Sir. But if Obama or Trump should invite us for a beer, we should go. We should respect the office. Even though we probably don't agree 100 percent on either man's agenda.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

---

I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

---

No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

---

LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

---

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

---

With all due respect, I told you guys months ago how the Supreme Court was going to rule on tariffs. I also told you how eight of the nine justices were going to vote. You are always welcome to disagree with and not like my opinion. But please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Have a good evening.

---

Thought we had this settled , but obviously you have decided to circle back.


Heck of a nice guy. Would rather drink beers with you than Trump or Obama.

But you were in the sales division for a reason

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Thank you Sir. But if Obama or Trump should invite us for a beer, we should go. We should respect the office. Even though we probably don't agree 100 percent on either man's agenda.

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You are a good soul.

Peace Be With You.

KaiBear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

---

No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

---

LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

---

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

---

With all due respect, I told you guys months ago how the Supreme Court was going to rule on tariffs. I also told you how eight of the nine justices were going to vote. You are always welcome to disagree with and not like my opinion. But please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Have a good evening.

---

Thought we had this settled , but obviously you have decided to circle back.


Heck of a nice guy. Would rather drink beers with you than Trump or Obama.

But you were in the sales division for a reason

---

Thank you Sir. But if Obama or Trump should invite us for a beer, we should go. We should respect the office. Even though we probably don't agree 100 percent on either man's agenda.

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Peace Be With You.

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And also with you! Your Catholic upbringing just bubbled up!

Have a good evening, my friend.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

---

No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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Married filing jointly get a $31,500 standard deduction. That would cover a good chunk of social security.

The standard deduction for singles is $15,750 also a pretty good chunk.

Forest Bueller III said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

---

No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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Married filing jointly get a $31,500 standard deduction. That would cover a good chunk of social security.

The standard deduction for singles is $15,750 also a pretty good chunk.

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no tax on social security is indeed a popcorn fart, for me. we will be way above the phaseout threshold. But for the average Joe, it's a pretty big deal.

RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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KaiBear said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

---

No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

---

LOL. Stop and look at your post there for a moment. Carefully. First, you say that $23k SS income is "average," then conclude with the statement the number of people who will not pay taxes on SS is "very small." So which is it....average (meaning a preponderance of the public) or a very small number?

Reality: the $6k deduction moves the preponderance of SS recipients back underneath the statutory threshold for tax liability on SS payments, which has remained fixed for many years while inflation effectively moved more and more recipients above the threshold. Thus, the "no tax on Social Security" means nearly 90% of beneficiaries will in fact owe no taxes on their social security payments.

Do you ever think before you post?

---

Just don't expect much substance in his posts.

---

With all due respect, I told you guys months ago how the Supreme Court was going to rule on tariffs. I also told you how eight of the nine justices were going to vote. You are always welcome to disagree with and not like my opinion. But please don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about.

Have a good evening.

---

Thought we had this settled , but obviously you have decided to circle back.


Heck of a nice guy. Would rather drink beers with you than Trump or Obama.

But you were in the sales division for a reason

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Thank you Sir. But if Obama or Trump should invite us for a beer, we should go. We should respect the office. Even though we probably don't agree 100 percent on either man's agenda.

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Are you kidding me, throw in the Clintons. That would be one hell of a night. The converdation and insights would be incredible. Sign me up for any and all theee. They all made and are making US history for the past 50 years. Hillary worked on Watergate.
Say what you will, but we all would ho in a heartbeat.

Forest Bueller III said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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whiterock said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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Get your popcorn ready.

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I gave Trump a solid B for his speech last night.

Two big things he said early on were completely false and should not be overlooked:

1. He claims that Americans no longer pay taxes on a Social Security. This is absolutely pure bu!!****. Not true.

2. He claims that income taxes will be replaced by tariff revenue. The total U.S. budget in 2025 was $7.2 trillion. The U.S. Treasury collected $190 billion in tariffs in 2025. Does anybody else see a math problem here?

---

No tax on Social Security was a provision of the Big Beautiful Bill passed last summer. It went into effect 01 Jan. It phases out for high income earners, but for the vast majority of seniors it is absolutely true.

---

Got a little clarity from my taxman, whiterock. Donald Trump's "No more taxes on Social Security" is nothing more than a political popcorn fart.

It only applies to those 65 and older. It is nothing but a $6,000 maximum deduction. It phases out in 2028. The average Social Security payment is $1,920. This is $23,040 per year. Only $6,000 can be deducted leaving single taxpayers on the hook for $17,040 in Social Security tax liability. Anything over $6,000 still goes towards your adjusted gross income. The number of taxpayers that will not pay taxes on their SS is very small.

The longstanding rule that up to 85 percent of Social Security taxes may be taxable remains in place.

https://tax.thomsonreuters.com/blog/breaking-down-the-obbbas-social-security-tax-deduction/

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Married filing jointly get a $31,500 standard deduction. That would cover a good chunk of social security.

The standard deduction for singles is $15,750 also a pretty good chunk.

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Hello Forest. The standard deduction was in place long before The Big Beautiful Bill.