KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

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Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

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Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

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Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

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Go Bears!

william said:

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Democrats strike Gold again w/ the TSA shutdown*

- UF

D!

* no impact on ICE funding at all.

Gold Jerry, Gold!!

BID.

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another Dem shut down failure......

>>
Senators approved a compromise measure early Friday to fund most of the Department of Homeland Security through the end of September, taking a major step toward ending the 42-day partial shutdown that has seen hundreds of airport security workers quit after missing paychecks and snarled travel nationwide.

The agreement, passed by voice vote before senators departed Washington for a two-week recess for Easter and Passover, will be considered by the House later Friday morning.

The last-ditch deal does not include any of the demands Democrats have placed on Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) including that agents be barred from wearing masks and operate under tougher warrant requirements to detain illegal migrants.

The bill does not provide funding for ICE or Border Patrol, but those subagencies already received billions of dollars under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act signed by Trump and immigration enforcement has gone on uninterrupted by the shutdown.
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- UF

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

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Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

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Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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Nothing 'different' about ICE. They are merely enforcing EXISTING federal immigration laws. The same laws OBAMA enforced at least as strictly as Trump.



Why play this silly game ?

Adriacus Peratuun said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

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Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

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Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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You constantly pretending to be non-liberal and non-establishment is what doesn't make sense.

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I am not Liberal or Conservative. I am also not Republican or Democrat. Each issue requires its own position. Trying to label yourself or others on variables as numerous and complex seems a bit foolish to me. If a good Democrat comes along I will vote for them as easily as a good Republican.

You can't be against Abortion but still believe that health care is a right? Or, that we should support Ukraine, but not invade Iran? Every situation requires its own analysis and solution. Otherwise, you end up like MAGA having to defend everything or your out...

EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

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Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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Ice and Border Patrol are naturally together. It would not make sense to separate those two. TSA is also. The best thing that could happen is that these agencies would be always considered essential. Take them off the political football field.

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Sure it would. One protects the border at the border, the other are paid bounty hunters. I would agree on Customs, but Customs is not what is causing the issue.

FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

---

Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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Ice and Border Patrol are naturally together. It would not make sense to separate those two. TSA is also. The best thing that could happen is that these agencies would be always considered essential. Take them off the political football field.

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Sure it would. One protects the border at the border, the other are paid bounty hunters. I would agree on Customs, but Customs is not what is causing the issue.

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"Paid bounty hunters"? This is how FLBear makes clear he is abandoning both character and reason in this debate.

FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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Ice and Border Patrol are naturally together. It would not make sense to separate those two. TSA is also. The best thing that could happen is that these agencies would be always considered essential. Take them off the political football field.

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Sure it would. One protects the border at the border, the other are paid bounty hunters. I would agree on Customs, but Customs is not what is causing the issue.

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Look up Border patrol. They work with ICE away from the border as well.

FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

---

Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

Porteroso: " But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people."

I think the Founding Fathers would be very upset with Congress just passing 'continuing resolutions' over and over, instead of a real budget with some actual planning and debate.

Personally, I think if the public demanded their Reps and Senators explain all the crap we pay for, the sheer panic would be peak entertainment.

Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

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Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

---

DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

---

Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

---

So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

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Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

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lol, border patrol and ice go together. You are just trying to draw some imaginary line - as if once the border breakers are already in the country is not an issue.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

---

Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

---

So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

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Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

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lol, border patrol and ice go together. You are just trying to draw some imaginary line - as if once the border breakers are already in the country is not an issue.

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No they are not. ICE didnt even exist before 2003. They are two separate Agencies. Border focuses on external and ICE focuses on internal. So you can easily fund Border and deal with ICE separately.

Before laughing at people you should really know what you are talking about.

" Before laughing at people you should really know what you are talking about."

Rather ironic, that coming from FLBear.

Oldbear83 said:

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" Before laughing at people you should really know what you are talking about."

Rather ironic, that coming from FLBear.

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If I post it, I have checked it and have a source. You are the one that blows off facts as liberal media...

FLBear5630 said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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" Before laughing at people you should really know what you are talking about."

Rather ironic, that coming from FLBear.

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If I post it, I have checked it and have a source. You are the one that blows off facts as liberal media...

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We get it. You hate Trump, ergo it's okay to hate certain federal law enforcement officers.

Thanks for giving us the Minneapolis POV, tovarisch.

Grok

How They Work Together (Post-2003)
Since both became part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in 2003, Border Patrol (under CBP) and ICE have coordinated on immigration enforcement. For example:

Border Patrol agents apprehend individuals near the border and often rely on ICE for detention and removal processing.
They share information, participate in joint task forces, and collaborate on operations (e.g., repatriation or expedited removal working groups).
In practice, there have been interagency liaison efforts and local coordination to handle handoffs from border apprehensions to interior removals.

This cooperation has intensified in certain periods (including under recent administrations), with Border Patrol agents sometimes supporting interior operations. However, their core mandates remain distinct: Border Patrol/CBP focuses on preventing illegal crossings at and near the borders (with expanded authority in a 100-mile border zone), while ICE handles interior enforcement, investigations, and removals deeper inside the U.S.
In short, "always" does not applyBorder Patrol existed and operated independently for nearly eight decades before ICE was formed. Their relationship is a product of the 2003 DHS restructuring, not an original feature of either agency.

FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

---

Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

---

So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

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Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

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So you view ICE as less essential, but why does that make them more political?

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Grok

How They Work Together (Post-2003)
Since both became part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in 2003, Border Patrol (under CBP) and ICE have coordinated on immigration enforcement. For example:

Border Patrol agents apprehend individuals near the border and often rely on ICE for detention and removal processing.
They share information, participate in joint task forces, and collaborate on operations (e.g., repatriation or expedited removal working groups).
In practice, there have been interagency liaison efforts and local coordination to handle handoffs from border apprehensions to interior removals.

This cooperation has intensified in certain periods (including under recent administrations), with Border Patrol agents sometimes supporting interior operations. However, their core mandates remain distinct: Border Patrol/CBP focuses on preventing illegal crossings at and near the borders (with expanded authority in a 100-mile border zone), while ICE handles interior enforcement, investigations, and removals deeper inside the U.S.
In short, "always" does not applyBorder Patrol existed and operated independently for nearly eight decades before ICE was formed. Their relationship is a product of the 2003 DHS restructuring, not an original feature of either agency.

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I don't think FLBear needed you to help prove his point, but it's certainly kind of you to do so. We could use more of that cooperative spirit around here.

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Grok

How They Work Together (Post-2003)
Since both became part of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in 2003, Border Patrol (under CBP) and ICE have coordinated on immigration enforcement. For example:

Border Patrol agents apprehend individuals near the border and often rely on ICE for detention and removal processing.
They share information, participate in joint task forces, and collaborate on operations (e.g., repatriation or expedited removal working groups).
In practice, there have been interagency liaison efforts and local coordination to handle handoffs from border apprehensions to interior removals.

This cooperation has intensified in certain periods (including under recent administrations), with Border Patrol agents sometimes supporting interior operations. However, their core mandates remain distinct: Border Patrol/CBP focuses on preventing illegal crossings at and near the borders (with expanded authority in a 100-mile border zone), while ICE handles interior enforcement, investigations, and removals deeper inside the U.S.
In short, "always" does not applyBorder Patrol existed and operated independently for nearly eight decades before ICE was formed. Their relationship is a product of the 2003 DHS restructuring, not an original feature of either agency.

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I don't think FLBear needed you to help prove his point, but it's certainly kind of you to do so. We could use more of that cooperative spirit around here.

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You read weirdly.

Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

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Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

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Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

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Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

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So you view ICE as less essential, but why does that make them more political?

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Because when Congress only holds the purse strings as leverage, anything non-essential is leverage which turns into a political fight. It is their only recourse to the Executive Branch. I thought we were talking in the context of checks and balances. The reality is that certain things HAVE to continue to function regardless of the Exxecutive/Legislative standoff. TSA, Border, Defense have to keep going. ICE could pause and not impact essential functions. IT DOES NOT MEAN ICE IS NOT IMPORTANT.

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

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Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

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Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

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Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

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So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

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Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

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lol, border patrol and ice go together. You are just trying to draw some imaginary line - as if once the border breakers are already in the country is not an issue.

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No they are not. ICE didnt even exist before 2003. They are two separate Agencies. Border focuses on external and ICE focuses on internal. So you can easily fund Border and deal with ICE separately.

Before laughing at people you should really know what you are talking about.

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I said they go together. After the last decade of letting millions upon millions of illegals in, one is just as important as the other.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

---

Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

---

So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

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Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

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lol, border patrol and ice go together. You are just trying to draw some imaginary line - as if once the border breakers are already in the country is not an issue.

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No they are not. ICE didnt even exist before 2003. They are two separate Agencies. Border focuses on external and ICE focuses on internal. So you can easily fund Border and deal with ICE separately.

Before laughing at people you should really know what you are talking about.

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I said they go together. After the last decade of letting millions upon millions of illegals in, one is just as important as the other.

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I agree. But in terms of funding, Border Patrol is essential. ICE can wait until funding is worked out. ICE handles people already here, some for years, a few weeks is not make or break

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

---

Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

---

So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

---

Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

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lol, border patrol and ice go together. You are just trying to draw some imaginary line - as if once the border breakers are already in the country is not an issue.

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No they are not. ICE didnt even exist before 2003. They are two separate Agencies. Border focuses on external and ICE focuses on internal. So you can easily fund Border and deal with ICE separately.

Before laughing at people you should really know what you are talking about.

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I said they go together. After the last decade of letting millions upon millions of illegals in, one is just as important as the other.

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I agree. But in terms of funding, Border Patrol is essential. ICE can wait until funding is worked out. ICE handles people already here, some for years, a few weeks is not make or break

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Should be BP, then ICE and then TSA last. Fast travel is the last priority.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Porteroso said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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KaiBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Zero wait

Wheres the problems?

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Are we having problems yet? Maybe we should solve our issues at home before invading Iran.

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DHS funding problem is ridiculous. ICE has already implemented body cams. The demand to unmask them is just theatrics and stupid all mixed together. Funding should be happening. How far are the Democrats willing to go at the expense of US safety to make a point they can't win.

The actions of the Iranian regime to attack its neighbors with weapons they aren't supposed to have should wake up every western country that depends on the strait of Hormuz. Its safety has always been tenuous at best. It is too much leverage to allow a regime like Iran's to control.

This war will show just how bad a lot of western weaknesses have been. It could be and should be a serious wake up call for every country in Europe and tied to Europe - including the US.

---

Well, funding of TSA, Coast Guard and Border Patrol (separate from ICE) should be automatic, like military. Separate funding silo and not part of these theatrics. The American people should not be put at risk over theatrics.


That said, I do not agree on ICE. ICE should not be included and should be open to scrutiny, as they are operating internally and literally hunting people. That is not the same.

---

Ice is 'hunting' individuals who are in this country illegally which is a violation of existing federal law.

Just as it is unlawful in every country in the world.

Why this is such a difficult concept for you to comprehend is amusing.

---

Didn't say not to fund them. Don't tie what they do to people guarding the entrance points. Border, Coast Guard, and TSA all guard the gates. Doesn't make sense to make that a "political" item. ICE is different.

---

So ICE is political, but Border Patrol is not? Why should that be?

The resident hardiner righties are correct that ICE should not be portrayed by the media like they are. Also true is Noem really portrayed them poorly, made it seem like comic book levels of villainous government overreach.

But funding ICE should be the same as other entities serving the people.

---

Don't agree. There are functions that HAVE to continue for the safety and continuity of the US, ICE is not one of them. If we didn't have ICE serving Administrative Warrants for 2 months, it is not an issue. If illegals cross into breaking laws, we have law enforcement and they can be detained. It is not a make or break like Border, Military or Air Traffic Controllers.

We don't have Border Patrol for 2 months, it is a huge issue.

---

lol, border patrol and ice go together. You are just trying to draw some imaginary line - as if once the border breakers are already in the country is not an issue.

---

No they are not. ICE didnt even exist before 2003. They are two separate Agencies. Border focuses on external and ICE focuses on internal. So you can easily fund Border and deal with ICE separately.

Before laughing at people you should really know what you are talking about.

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I said they go together. After the last decade of letting millions upon millions of illegals in, one is just as important as the other.

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I agree. But in terms of funding, Border Patrol is essential. ICE can wait until funding is worked out. ICE handles people already here, some for years, a few weeks is not make or break

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Should be BP, then ICE and then TSA last. Fast travel is the last priority.

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Right now they should all three be priority. Any sanctuary city or state is an invitation to all sleeper cells. If Iran or any other adversary wants to get people into the country past border guard, they can. Every coastline would be available as well as the wilder parts of the borders. We need the FBI and ICE working inside the country. We also need TSA to keep track of people and luggage moving around the country.