Do our resident groypers still support Nick Fuentes

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For a young guy, you are really sharp...You are running circles around a guy twice your age!
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The_barBEARian said:

For a young guy, you are really sharp...You are running circles around a guy twice your age!



Thank you brother, I appreciate it! The Gen Z/Millennial alliance runs deep

Mothra is a bully, I'm sure he will have a long winded response about how I don't know anything because I'm not married and don't have children or something along those lines
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"…..this one time, at band camp, a guy in the flute section said his cousin who played the tuba knew a girl in the percussion section at another high school who played the triangle with a pickle!….."
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BASED

People are hungry for tradition and uniformity

Indeed.

Young men need accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority.

Just because a church has leaders that wear costumes, have long bears, worship paintings and statutes, and have a list of criteria necessary for salvation doesn't mean there isn't accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority outside of Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

Your silly assumptions are a real crutch for you.

Just because a church has leaders that wear $5k suits, drive g wagons, kneel before worship bands, worship reformers and practice neo-Gnosticism, doesn't mean there isn't accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority outside of calvinist evangelicalism.

See how dumb that sounds?


My roommates went to Harris Creek while I was a student at Baylor. I tagged along a few times… it's exactly what you described

JP (the pastor) frequently wore designer clothing with luxury watches. I can count at least three times where he incorporated the construction of his second home into sermons. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but I can't get an honest read on him.

JP is a personal friend. He doesn't have designer clothes, nor a huge house. I've been there a number of times.

He is a gifted preacher who has led man college-aged kids to Christ.


Ah, that explains the rampant heretical takes

If I've said anything heretical, you certainly haven't been able to refute it, that is for sure, given your rudimentary understanding of scripture.


My church is 2000 years old, your pastor wears Travis Scott Nike sneakers… I'll take my chances with mine

Your leader wears gold jewelry and lives in a Billion+ dollar castle. Very Christ relatable…


Yup! Pope Leo walked into the local jewelry shop and bought himself some nice jewelry to stunt on the poors.

Surely they're not timeless ceremonial pieces that have been worn for centuries?


Ah, well in that case such decadent opulence is OK then. Engaging in a practice for centuries is certainly the standard by which we judge whether the practice is rider moral.


Yeah man believe it or not, the largest Church in the world needs a lot of money to operate. When you're 2000 years old, you accumulate lots of priceless artifacts and donations… Shall we liquidate it all and give it away? Doesn't sound like a good strategy for long term success to me…

Funny enough, the Mormon church is believed to have significantly more liquid assets than the Catholic church, most of the Catholics assets are priceless buildings and art pieces that cannot be liquidated. We also operate on a multi-million dollar deficit each year while being the largest non-government provider of education and medical services in the world.

Your little buddy over there is living lavishly, google says he has a net worth between $2-$5 million. Harris Creek itself has WAY more money per member than the Catholic Church

Unwittingly, you've made a really good argument for why one shouldn't be Catholic, or at the very least a part of a large, opulent and corrupt religious organization that enriches itself off of its partitioners, and displays that wealth in really decadent and grotesque ways. You complain about the clothing of a guy who has helped lead revival across college campuses because of his purported net worth, but simply ignore the ornate jewelry and opulence of the church you attend, merely casting it off as a product of the organization's age. How convenient, ironic and tone deaf.

For the record, JP's wealth - if you can actually call it that - is from his book sales. The guy has authored several books which have been NYT best sellers on the list of top religious book lists. He's not making that money off of the church, and in fact, actually gave back his salary for a few years to assist with church growth. Last time I checked, he hadn't been accused of rampant sexual abuse and corruption, like the church you attend.


Enriches itself? My Church is a non profit institution that relies on tourism and donations to sustain itself and its services. The Sistine Chapel, Notre Dame Cathedral, countless relics spread throughout the world… is that grotesque to you?

You say I complain about a man who has led a revival across college campuses, I say you complain about a global institution who has converted billions of souls to Christ and has invested an astronomical amount of resources into charity.

I don't really care what JP wears… in fact you brought up clothing/appearance first when you mocked Orthodox priests for wearing beards and ceremonial attire. My comment regarding JPs clothing was more of a jab regarding the validity of our respective churches, as I think it's weird for a Pastor to wear $1000 sneakers designed by a known Satanic Rapper. Talk about tone deaf…

The Catholic Church consists of well over a billion people, yes shocker, there are a few bad apples among the bunch. However no church I have ever attended has had a priest involved in scandal. Harris Creek had an employee caught distributing CP a year ago, I remember another scandal back in college where one of the pastors got caught in an affair with a younger girl. No church is immune to scandal and corruption, so I don't know why you people only criticize our Church for it while ignoring the skeletons in your own closet.

If you didn't want to talk about profits and wealth, then you shouldn't have brought it up.

Nonprofit or not, the Catholic Church manages approximately $3 billion in assets, and is one of the wealthiest nonprofits in the United States. It has a vast collection of art and jewelry, among other assets, which are undoubtedly needed to serve the poor.

With respect to the rest, I wish I was complaining about a church that has converted billions of souls to Christ. The unfortunate reality is the Catholic Church has led far more people down a path of destruction, due to its heretical teachings.

Indeed, all churches have had scandals. They are full of sinners. It's just that Catholicism seems to have far more than its fair share.
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BigGameBaylorBear said:

The_barBEARian said:

For a young guy, you are really sharp...You are running circles around a guy twice your age!



Thank you brother, I appreciate it! The Gen Z/Millennial alliance runs deep

Mothra is a bully, I'm sure he will have a long winded response about how I don't know anything because I'm not married and don't have children or something along those lines

The resident Nazi is your brother.

Of course. Such a good Catholic.
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The_barBEARian said:

For a young guy, you are really sharp...You are running circles around a guy twice your age!


How's tinder working out for you?
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Oldbear83
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As an old Southern Baptist, I will say that through my work I have had contact with a number of charities helping people with bills, and Catholic Charites has a long history of good work, helping people in need without regard to their religion.

The Baptists have held their own in donating to help the poor, especially on a per-capita basis.

To the best of my knowledge, Lakewood Church has never contributed even a penny to help the poor. Nor have the Mormons, who reserve their charity for only Mormons. Ditto the Muslims; I have no recollection of a Muslim charity set up to help anyone in the general public.
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Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

ATL Bear said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

Doc Holliday said:

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BASED

People are hungry for tradition and uniformity

Indeed.

Young men need accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority.

Just because a church has leaders that wear costumes, have long bears, worship paintings and statutes, and have a list of criteria necessary for salvation doesn't mean there isn't accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority outside of Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

Your silly assumptions are a real crutch for you.

Just because a church has leaders that wear $5k suits, drive g wagons, kneel before worship bands, worship reformers and practice neo-Gnosticism, doesn't mean there isn't accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority outside of calvinist evangelicalism.

See how dumb that sounds?


My roommates went to Harris Creek while I was a student at Baylor. I tagged along a few times… it's exactly what you described

JP (the pastor) frequently wore designer clothing with luxury watches. I can count at least three times where he incorporated the construction of his second home into sermons. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but I can't get an honest read on him.

JP is a personal friend. He doesn't have designer clothes, nor a huge house. I've been there a number of times.

He is a gifted preacher who has led man college-aged kids to Christ.


Ah, that explains the rampant heretical takes

If I've said anything heretical, you certainly haven't been able to refute it, that is for sure, given your rudimentary understanding of scripture.


My church is 2000 years old, your pastor wears Travis Scott Nike sneakers… I'll take my chances with mine

Your leader wears gold jewelry and lives in a Billion+ dollar castle. Very Christ relatable…


Yup! Pope Leo walked into the local jewelry shop and bought himself some nice jewelry to stunt on the poors.

Surely they're not timeless ceremonial pieces that have been worn for centuries?


Ah, well in that case such decadent opulence is OK then. Engaging in a practice for centuries is certainly the standard by which we judge whether the practice is rider moral.


Yeah man believe it or not, the largest Church in the world needs a lot of money to operate. When you're 2000 years old, you accumulate lots of priceless artifacts and donations… Shall we liquidate it all and give it away? Doesn't sound like a good strategy for long term success to me…

Funny enough, the Mormon church is believed to have significantly more liquid assets than the Catholic church, most of the Catholics assets are priceless buildings and art pieces that cannot be liquidated. We also operate on a multi-million dollar deficit each year while being the largest non-government provider of education and medical services in the world.

Your little buddy over there is living lavishly, google says he has a net worth between $2-$5 million. Harris Creek itself has WAY more money per member than the Catholic Church

Unwittingly, you've made a really good argument for why one shouldn't be Catholic, or at the very least a part of a large, opulent and corrupt religious organization that enriches itself off of its partitioners, and displays that wealth in really decadent and grotesque ways. You complain about the clothing of a guy who has helped lead revival across college campuses because of his purported net worth, but simply ignore the ornate jewelry and opulence of the church you attend, merely casting it off as a product of the organization's age. How convenient, ironic and tone deaf.

For the record, JP's wealth - if you can actually call it that - is from his book sales. The guy has authored several books which have been NYT best sellers on the list of top religious book lists. He's not making that money off of the church, and in fact, actually gave back his salary for a few years to assist with church growth. Last time I checked, he hadn't been accused of rampant sexual abuse and corruption, like the church you attend.


Enriches itself? My Church is a non profit institution that relies on tourism and donations to sustain itself and its services. The Sistine Chapel, Notre Dame Cathedral, countless relics spread throughout the world… is that grotesque to you?

You say I complain about a man who has led a revival across college campuses, I say you complain about a global institution who has converted billions of souls to Christ and has invested an astronomical amount of resources into charity.

I don't really care what JP wears… in fact you brought up clothing/appearance first when you mocked Orthodox priests for wearing beards and ceremonial attire. My comment regarding JPs clothing was more of a jab regarding the validity of our respective churches, as I think it's weird for a Pastor to wear $1000 sneakers designed by a known Satanic Rapper. Talk about tone deaf…

The Catholic Church consists of well over a billion people, yes shocker, there are a few bad apples among the bunch. However no church I have ever attended has had a priest involved in scandal. Harris Creek had an employee caught distributing CP a year ago, I remember another scandal back in college where one of the pastors got caught in an affair with a younger girl. No church is immune to scandal and corruption, so I don't know why you people only criticize our Church for it while ignoring the skeletons in your own closet.

If you didn't want to talk about profits and wealth, then you shouldn't have brought it up.

Nonprofit or not, the Catholic Church manages approximately $3 billion in assets, and is one of the wealthiest nonprofits in the United States. It has a vast collection of art and jewelry, among other assets, which are undoubtedly needed to serve the poor.

With respect to the rest, I wish I was complaining about a church that has converted billions of souls to Christ. The unfortunate reality is the Catholic Church has led far more people down a path of destruction, due to its heretical teachings.

Indeed, all churches have had scandals. They are full of sinners. It's just that Catholicism seems to have far more than its fair share.


Wow… so full of piss and vinegar!

Do you understand the concept of "per capita"?

You do realize your church is FAR wealthier per member than mine?

Even then, many assets owned by the Catholic Church are historic cathedrals and art pieces in the Vatican museum.

You remind me of Judas when he scolded that woman for using the expensive perfume on Jesus. To which he defended by saying "Why do you trouble the woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me"

Our cathedrals and art pieces are priceless, men dedicated their entire lives to crafting these masterpieces which glorify our God. Hundreds of years later, Christians from all over the world come to enjoy these pieces of art for themselves. I guess some people don't see the beauty in that though…
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As an old Southern Baptist, I will say that through my work I have had contact with a number of charities helping people with bills, and Catholic Charites has a long history of good work, helping people in need without regard to their religion.

The Baptists have held their own in donating to help the poor, especially on a per-capita basis.

To the best of my knowledge, Lakewood Church has never contributed even a penny to help the poor. Nor have the Mormons, who reserve their charity for only Mormons. Ditto the Muslims; I have no recollection of a Muslim charity set up to help anyone in the general public.


Thanks for sharing
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BigGameBaylorBear said:

Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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BASED

People are hungry for tradition and uniformity

Indeed.

Young men need accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority.

Just because a church has leaders that wear costumes, have long bears, worship paintings and statutes, and have a list of criteria necessary for salvation doesn't mean there isn't accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority outside of Catholicism and Orthodoxy.

Your silly assumptions are a real crutch for you.

Just because a church has leaders that wear $5k suits, drive g wagons, kneel before worship bands, worship reformers and practice neo-Gnosticism, doesn't mean there isn't accountability, structure, reverence and binding authority outside of calvinist evangelicalism.

See how dumb that sounds?


My roommates went to Harris Creek while I was a student at Baylor. I tagged along a few times… it's exactly what you described

JP (the pastor) frequently wore designer clothing with luxury watches. I can count at least three times where he incorporated the construction of his second home into sermons. I'm not saying he's a bad guy, but I can't get an honest read on him.

JP is a personal friend. He doesn't have designer clothes, nor a huge house. I've been there a number of times.

He is a gifted preacher who has led man college-aged kids to Christ.


Ah, that explains the rampant heretical takes

If I've said anything heretical, you certainly haven't been able to refute it, that is for sure, given your rudimentary understanding of scripture.


My church is 2000 years old, your pastor wears Travis Scott Nike sneakers… I'll take my chances with mine

Your leader wears gold jewelry and lives in a Billion+ dollar castle. Very Christ relatable…


Yup! Pope Leo walked into the local jewelry shop and bought himself some nice jewelry to stunt on the poors.

Surely they're not timeless ceremonial pieces that have been worn for centuries?


Ah, well in that case such decadent opulence is OK then. Engaging in a practice for centuries is certainly the standard by which we judge whether the practice is rider moral.


Yeah man believe it or not, the largest Church in the world needs a lot of money to operate. When you're 2000 years old, you accumulate lots of priceless artifacts and donations… Shall we liquidate it all and give it away? Doesn't sound like a good strategy for long term success to me…

Funny enough, the Mormon church is believed to have significantly more liquid assets than the Catholic church, most of the Catholics assets are priceless buildings and art pieces that cannot be liquidated. We also operate on a multi-million dollar deficit each year while being the largest non-government provider of education and medical services in the world.

Your little buddy over there is living lavishly, google says he has a net worth between $2-$5 million. Harris Creek itself has WAY more money per member than the Catholic Church

Unwittingly, you've made a really good argument for why one shouldn't be Catholic, or at the very least a part of a large, opulent and corrupt religious organization that enriches itself off of its partitioners, and displays that wealth in really decadent and grotesque ways. You complain about the clothing of a guy who has helped lead revival across college campuses because of his purported net worth, but simply ignore the ornate jewelry and opulence of the church you attend, merely casting it off as a product of the organization's age. How convenient, ironic and tone deaf.

For the record, JP's wealth - if you can actually call it that - is from his book sales. The guy has authored several books which have been NYT best sellers on the list of top religious book lists. He's not making that money off of the church, and in fact, actually gave back his salary for a few years to assist with church growth. Last time I checked, he hadn't been accused of rampant sexual abuse and corruption, like the church you attend.


Enriches itself? My Church is a non profit institution that relies on tourism and donations to sustain itself and its services. The Sistine Chapel, Notre Dame Cathedral, countless relics spread throughout the world… is that grotesque to you?

You say I complain about a man who has led a revival across college campuses, I say you complain about a global institution who has converted billions of souls to Christ and has invested an astronomical amount of resources into charity.

I don't really care what JP wears… in fact you brought up clothing/appearance first when you mocked Orthodox priests for wearing beards and ceremonial attire. My comment regarding JPs clothing was more of a jab regarding the validity of our respective churches, as I think it's weird for a Pastor to wear $1000 sneakers designed by a known Satanic Rapper. Talk about tone deaf…

The Catholic Church consists of well over a billion people, yes shocker, there are a few bad apples among the bunch. However no church I have ever attended has had a priest involved in scandal. Harris Creek had an employee caught distributing CP a year ago, I remember another scandal back in college where one of the pastors got caught in an affair with a younger girl. No church is immune to scandal and corruption, so I don't know why you people only criticize our Church for it while ignoring the skeletons in your own closet.

If you didn't want to talk about profits and wealth, then you shouldn't have brought it up.

Nonprofit or not, the Catholic Church manages approximately $3 billion in assets, and is one of the wealthiest nonprofits in the United States. It has a vast collection of art and jewelry, among other assets, which are undoubtedly needed to serve the poor.

With respect to the rest, I wish I was complaining about a church that has converted billions of souls to Christ. The unfortunate reality is the Catholic Church has led far more people down a path of destruction, due to its heretical teachings.

Indeed, all churches have had scandals. They are full of sinners. It's just that Catholicism seems to have far more than its fair share.


Wow… so full of piss and vinegar!

Do you understand the concept of "per capita"?

You do realize your church is FAR wealthier per member than mine?

Even then, many assets owned by the Catholic Church are historic cathedrals and art pieces in the Vatican museum.

You remind me of Judas when he scolded that woman for using the expensive perfume on Jesus. To which he defended by saying "Why do you trouble the woman? She has done a beautiful thing to me"

Our cathedrals and art pieces are priceless, men dedicated their entire lives to crafting these masterpieces which glorify our God. Hundreds of years later, Christians from all over the world come to enjoy these pieces of art for themselves. I guess some people don't see the beauty in that though…

You don't know my church. Rest assured, it isn't wealthy.
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Oldbear83 said:

To the best of my knowledge, Lakewood Church has never contributed even a penny to help the poor. Nor have the Mormons, who reserve their charity for only Mormons. Ditto the Muslims; I have no recollection of a Muslim charity set up to help anyone in the general public.


After one of the hurricanes here, a local mosque actually was handing out relief supplies to all comers.

Not sure how widespread that behavior is, I was a little surprised to see that as I had thought as you had with regards to that. Curious if anyone has seen a synagogue do that. I haven't.

Lakewood church is a family business. It is little more than proof that you can fool some of the people all of the time.

When Catholic Charities got into the business of importing illegal aliens, that pretty much undid whatever good they might have done in the past.
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Those who bless Israel will be blessed.....

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The_barBEARian said:

Those who bless Israel will be blessed.....


You know that the Bible doesn't actually say that right?

Genesis 12:3 is referring to Abraham.

A thousand years before the nation-state of Israel was established.

That is a common bit of scripture twisting by Christian Zionists.

This is what the Bible actually says about the nation-state of Israel from Deuteronomy 28, one the chapters evangelical preachers like to skip because it is completely incompatible with a Sunday morning worshiptainment session:

"And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the Lord thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:"

"But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:

Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store.
Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.
The Lord shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.
The Lord shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.
The Lord shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
And thy heaven that is over thy head shall be brass, and the earth that is under thee shall be iron.
The Lord shall make the rain of thy land powder and dust: from heaven shall it come down upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
And thy carcase shall be meat unto all fowls of the air, and unto the beasts of the earth, and no man shall fray them away.
The Lord will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.
The Lord shall smite thee with madness, and blindness, and astonishment of heart:
And thou shalt grope at noonday, as the blind gropeth in darkness, and thou shalt not prosper in thy ways: and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore, and no man shall save thee.
Thou shalt betroth a wife, and another man shall lie with her: thou shalt build an house, and thou shalt not dwell therein: thou shalt plant a vineyard, and shalt not gather the grapes thereof.
Thine ox shall be slain before thine eyes, and thou shalt not eat thereof: thine ass shall be violently taken away from before thy face, and shall not be restored to thee: thy sheep shall be given unto thine enemies, and thou shalt have none to rescue them.
Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long; and there shall be no might in thine hand.
The fruit of thy land, and all thy labours, shall a nation which thou knowest not eat up; and thou shalt be only oppressed and crushed alway:
So that thou shalt be mad for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
The Lord shall smite thee in the knees, and in the legs, with a sore botch that cannot be healed, from the sole of thy foot unto the top of thy head.
The Lord shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
And thou shalt become an astonishment, a proverb, and a byword, among all nations whither the Lord shall lead thee.
Thou shalt carry much seed out into the field, and shalt gather but little in; for the locust shall consume it.
Thou shalt plant vineyards, and dress them, but shalt neither drink of the wine, nor gather the grapes; for the worms shall eat them.
Thou shalt have olive trees throughout all thy coasts, but thou shalt not anoint thyself with the oil; for thine olive shall cast his fruit.
Thou shalt beget sons and daughters, but thou shalt not enjoy them; for they shall go into captivity.
All thy trees and fruit of thy land shall the locust consume.
The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.
He shall lend to thee, and thou shalt not lend to him: he shall be the head, and thou shalt be the tail.
Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever.
Because thou servedst not the Lord thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;"
Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the Lord shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
The Lord shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;
A nation of fierce countenance, which shall not regard the person of the old, nor shew favour to the young:
And he shall eat the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy land, until thou be destroyed: which also shall not leave thee either corn, wine, or oil, or the increase of thy kine, or flocks of thy sheep, until he have destroyed thee.
And he shall besiege thee in all thy gates, until thy high and fenced walls come down, wherein thou trustedst, throughout all thy land: and he shall besiege thee in all thy gates throughout all thy land, which the Lord thy God hath given thee.
And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters, which the Lord thy God hath given thee, in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee:
So that the man that is tender among you, and very delicate, his eye shall be evil toward his brother, and toward the wife of his bosom, and toward the remnant of his children which he shall leave:
So that he will not give to any of them of the flesh of his children whom he shall eat: because he hath nothing left him in the siege, and in the straitness, wherewith thine enemies shall distress thee in all thy gates.
The tender and delicate woman among you, which would not adventure to set the sole of her foot upon the ground for delicateness and tenderness, her eye shall be evil toward the husband of her bosom, and toward her son, and toward her daughter,
And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them for want of all things secretly in the siege and straitness, wherewith thine enemy shall distress thee in thy gates.
If thou wilt not observe to do all the words of this law that are written in this book, that thou mayest fear this glorious and fearful name, The Lord Thy God;
Then the Lord will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.
Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.
Also every sickness, and every plague, which is not written in the book of this law, them will the Lord bring upon thee, until thou be destroyed.
And ye shall be left few in number, whereas ye were as the stars of heaven for multitude; because thou wouldest not obey the voice of the Lord thy God.
And it shall come to pass, that as the Lord rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the Lord will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought; and ye shall be plucked from off the land whither thou goest to possess it."

...and they crucified Jesus. Big oops. God responded as He said he would. He replaced Israel with His Church. I am going to link a podcast that I'd recommend listening to from the 13 minute mark to the 24 minute mark. The whole thing is very good, but that ten minute segment directly addresses these questions.

Understanding The Ladder of Divine Ascent

2000 years later the UN created a Golden Calf. Those who are misled worship it.
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The_barBEARian said:

Those who bless Israel will be blessed.....



So to be clear, you're now blaming the Jews for wokeness?

Wow.

Is there any bad or evil thing in the world today you don't hold them responsible for?
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