Well, although we may not often agree on some other issues we do pretty much on this one. The average person/voter has allowed themselves to drift away from their civic duty and responsibility of being at least an informed citizen. They might be educated but too many are not informed on the issues and don't care to take the time.
The founding fathers were concerned this would happen. They could not protect us from our devolement into laziness and complacency, including denial of something as the federal debt based upon basic math/economics.

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Waco1947 said:

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Of course, we have not had a king over the USA, but Trump acts like he is a king. Hence, No Kings.

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" Trump acts like he is a king March"

Just doesnt have the same ring, eh?

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Did you ever get a job, Assman or you still living on us taxpayers?

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I thought you don't even live in the US? Why do you care so much about it if you live in another country?

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I don't live in the US permanately. I'm in US 1/3 of the time (hope that's ok with you) but I am a TAX paying citizen that is funding lots of these MAGA hypocrites, specifically like assman. I believe Alanis Morisette said "Isn't it Ironic with all the Maga on the dole paid for by us Tax payers. oh and btw smart guy, I pay a lot more taxes than you do. I used to care because its my country and has afforded my lots of opportunity. now its on its way to being a chithole. Too many dumb asses like you in Van Zant Co running your meth still in your wife beater. carry on. thanks for checking. Trump and you Maggot are doing yalls damn well best to FUBAR the US. Normals really appreciate it.

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LOL.

1. No you don't pay more than me.

2. I have told you I am not a trump fan but I am not so blind by TDS that every post is turned into an attack on him/his supporters.

3. I am not so hateful of trump that every poster who disagrees with me is labeled a trump supporter and therefore open to a vile, hateful attack.

4. I find it hard to believe such an angry, hateful person like yourself could run anything successful.

5. At least I am educated enough to type, spell, and use correct grammar. You want to talk about uneducated and then your posts are full of uneducated type errors.

6. I am not so full of hate that every poster who doesn't support everything I say must be an idiot, uneducated, druggie, criminal, etc. like you do.

7. I don't ignore posts I don't like... unlike you that ignores posts that prove you wrong.

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1) guarantee you ain't right
2) Trump fan shows intellect.
3)Not hateful, just mimicking your Gold Jesus. Maybe he and Jesus can change places tomorr
4)my business history speaks for itself. How about yours? Cube jockey, pest control, on the dole?
5)fella, I don't have time to proofread every post, nor want to. As far as education. I doubt it. BU-finance, SMU-MBA finance concentration. AA in culinary arts. So, lets see what ya got, mr stone thrower
6) again , doing a Trump bit for you idiots who are too dumb to figure out
7)Respect that.

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Lol. Again. Your TDS has blinded you that you don't even pay attention when people say they are not a Trump supporter and STILL attack them for being one.

Yes you are hateful. Because you take every chance to attack Trump and tie him to every poster you respond to, again when some of them have told you they are not Trump supporters. Like me. So saying he is my gold Jesus is stupid because I do not support him.

I guarantee you are not as wealthy and good at business as you claim. You just talk big on the internet but probably live in mamas basement.

Lol. Don't have time? It takes a few seconds to know you haven't made any errors in your posts.

Glad you have at least admitted you were wrong on the history of Thailand.

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I also admit you are really, really dumb Trump guy. I'll pass.

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And your TDS still blinds you so that you cannot make a post without throwing in something about Trump and calling anyone who doesn't agree with you one of his followers even when those people have told you repeatedly they are not.

I'll take you calling me dumb as a compliment because at least I and everyone else on this board knows how to read to see that I know history and you do not. That I proved you wrong and you ran away to hide with your tail between your legs. You are nothing but the classic internet tough guy boomer. All talk from behind your keyboard.

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what is TDS? no internet tough guy here. I'm an open book so you can go eff yourself if you think I run and hide. To the contrary, punk azz. Ask around, you can find out who I am. Have been on record saying Trump is Bad for the US. I have absolutely proven to be right. the tough guy and name calling is just a bit to show what a PIG you people elected. I'm far from that in real life. Funny, most don't get that it's a bit and think that's me. surprise....not so much. I do like to hurl shots at our resident heretics masquerading as a good Christian. The hate coming form these good Christians is amazing. WWJD, bro!

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LOL. You still are not smart enough to read. You again turn a post into a chance to attack Trump.

You know what TDS. It is what you have. Where you take every shot to attack him, even to someone who does not support him (me).

Yeah I doubt this is a bit. Yes you are an internet tough guy because you are talking like this from behind a keyboard but admit you wouldn't do it in person.

From reading your post, you seem to believe TDS is a bad thing, correct? Why?

I would like to have a better idea of where having negative opinions on some versus all of Trump's stance and policies becomes TDS.

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Waco1947 said:

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Of course, we have not had a king over the USA, but Trump acts like he is a king. Hence, No Kings.

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" Trump acts like he is a king March"

Just doesnt have the same ring, eh?

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Did you ever get a job, Assman or you still living on us taxpayers?

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I thought you don't even live in the US? Why do you care so much about it if you live in another country?

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I don't live in the US permanately. I'm in US 1/3 of the time (hope that's ok with you) but I am a TAX paying citizen that is funding lots of these MAGA hypocrites, specifically like assman. I believe Alanis Morisette said "Isn't it Ironic with all the Maga on the dole paid for by us Tax payers. oh and btw smart guy, I pay a lot more taxes than you do. I used to care because its my country and has afforded my lots of opportunity. now its on its way to being a chithole. Too many dumb asses like you in Van Zant Co running your meth still in your wife beater. carry on. thanks for checking. Trump and you Maggot are doing yalls damn well best to FUBAR the US. Normals really appreciate it.

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LOL.

1. No you don't pay more than me.

2. I have told you I am not a trump fan but I am not so blind by TDS that every post is turned into an attack on him/his supporters.

3. I am not so hateful of trump that every poster who disagrees with me is labeled a trump supporter and therefore open to a vile, hateful attack.

4. I find it hard to believe such an angry, hateful person like yourself could run anything successful.

5. At least I am educated enough to type, spell, and use correct grammar. You want to talk about uneducated and then your posts are full of uneducated type errors.

6. I am not so full of hate that every poster who doesn't support everything I say must be an idiot, uneducated, druggie, criminal, etc. like you do.

7. I don't ignore posts I don't like... unlike you that ignores posts that prove you wrong.

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1) guarantee you ain't right
2) Trump fan shows intellect.
3)Not hateful, just mimicking your Gold Jesus. Maybe he and Jesus can change places tomorr
4)my business history speaks for itself. How about yours? Cube jockey, pest control, on the dole?
5)fella, I don't have time to proofread every post, nor want to. As far as education. I doubt it. BU-finance, SMU-MBA finance concentration. AA in culinary arts. So, lets see what ya got, mr stone thrower
6) again , doing a Trump bit for you idiots who are too dumb to figure out
7)Respect that.

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Lol. Again. Your TDS has blinded you that you don't even pay attention when people say they are not a Trump supporter and STILL attack them for being one.

Yes you are hateful. Because you take every chance to attack Trump and tie him to every poster you respond to, again when some of them have told you they are not Trump supporters. Like me. So saying he is my gold Jesus is stupid because I do not support him.

I guarantee you are not as wealthy and good at business as you claim. You just talk big on the internet but probably live in mamas basement.

Lol. Don't have time? It takes a few seconds to know you haven't made any errors in your posts.

Glad you have at least admitted you were wrong on the history of Thailand.

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I also admit you are really, really dumb Trump guy. I'll pass.

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And your TDS still blinds you so that you cannot make a post without throwing in something about Trump and calling anyone who doesn't agree with you one of his followers even when those people have told you repeatedly they are not.

I'll take you calling me dumb as a compliment because at least I and everyone else on this board knows how to read to see that I know history and you do not. That I proved you wrong and you ran away to hide with your tail between your legs. You are nothing but the classic internet tough guy boomer. All talk from behind your keyboard.

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what is TDS? no internet tough guy here. I'm an open book so you can go eff yourself if you think I run and hide. To the contrary, punk azz. Ask around, you can find out who I am. Have been on record saying Trump is Bad for the US. I have absolutely proven to be right. the tough guy and name calling is just a bit to show what a PIG you people elected. I'm far from that in real life. Funny, most don't get that it's a bit and think that's me. surprise....not so much. I do like to hurl shots at our resident heretics masquerading as a good Christian. The hate coming form these good Christians is amazing. WWJD, bro!

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LOL. You still are not smart enough to read. You again turn a post into a chance to attack Trump.

You know what TDS. It is what you have. Where you take every shot to attack him, even to someone who does not support him (me).

Yeah I doubt this is a bit. Yes you are an internet tough guy because you are talking like this from behind a keyboard but admit you wouldn't do it in person.

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well see won't we Donnie! You too are an imbecilic Maga Trumpian which I have less than 0 time for. I'm all in on Trump. Keep blowing chit up Donnie.....My kids thank you!

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Waco1947 said:

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Of course, we have not had a king over the USA, but Trump acts like he is a king. Hence, No Kings.

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" Trump acts like he is a king March"

Just doesnt have the same ring, eh?

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Did you ever get a job, Assman or you still living on us taxpayers?

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I thought you don't even live in the US? Why do you care so much about it if you live in another country?

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I don't live in the US permanately. I'm in US 1/3 of the time (hope that's ok with you) but I am a TAX paying citizen that is funding lots of these MAGA hypocrites, specifically like assman. I believe Alanis Morisette said "Isn't it Ironic with all the Maga on the dole paid for by us Tax payers. oh and btw smart guy, I pay a lot more taxes than you do. I used to care because its my country and has afforded my lots of opportunity. now its on its way to being a chithole. Too many dumb asses like you in Van Zant Co running your meth still in your wife beater. carry on. thanks for checking. Trump and you Maggot are doing yalls damn well best to FUBAR the US. Normals really appreciate it.

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LOL.

1. No you don't pay more than me.

2. I have told you I am not a trump fan but I am not so blind by TDS that every post is turned into an attack on him/his supporters.

3. I am not so hateful of trump that every poster who disagrees with me is labeled a trump supporter and therefore open to a vile, hateful attack.

4. I find it hard to believe such an angry, hateful person like yourself could run anything successful.

5. At least I am educated enough to type, spell, and use correct grammar. You want to talk about uneducated and then your posts are full of uneducated type errors.

6. I am not so full of hate that every poster who doesn't support everything I say must be an idiot, uneducated, druggie, criminal, etc. like you do.

7. I don't ignore posts I don't like... unlike you that ignores posts that prove you wrong.

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1) guarantee you ain't right
2) Trump fan shows intellect.
3)Not hateful, just mimicking your Gold Jesus. Maybe he and Jesus can change places tomorr
4)my business history speaks for itself. How about yours? Cube jockey, pest control, on the dole?
5)fella, I don't have time to proofread every post, nor want to. As far as education. I doubt it. BU-finance, SMU-MBA finance concentration. AA in culinary arts. So, lets see what ya got, mr stone thrower
6) again , doing a Trump bit for you idiots who are too dumb to figure out
7)Respect that.

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Lol. Again. Your TDS has blinded you that you don't even pay attention when people say they are not a Trump supporter and STILL attack them for being one.

Yes you are hateful. Because you take every chance to attack Trump and tie him to every poster you respond to, again when some of them have told you they are not Trump supporters. Like me. So saying he is my gold Jesus is stupid because I do not support him.

I guarantee you are not as wealthy and good at business as you claim. You just talk big on the internet but probably live in mamas basement.

Lol. Don't have time? It takes a few seconds to know you haven't made any errors in your posts.

Glad you have at least admitted you were wrong on the history of Thailand.

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I also admit you are really, really dumb Trump guy. I'll pass.

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And your TDS still blinds you so that you cannot make a post without throwing in something about Trump and calling anyone who doesn't agree with you one of his followers even when those people have told you repeatedly they are not.

I'll take you calling me dumb as a compliment because at least I and everyone else on this board knows how to read to see that I know history and you do not. That I proved you wrong and you ran away to hide with your tail between your legs. You are nothing but the classic internet tough guy boomer. All talk from behind your keyboard.

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what is TDS? no internet tough guy here. I'm an open book so you can go eff yourself if you think I run and hide. To the contrary, punk azz. Ask around, you can find out who I am. Have been on record saying Trump is Bad for the US. I have absolutely proven to be right. the tough guy and name calling is just a bit to show what a PIG you people elected. I'm far from that in real life. Funny, most don't get that it's a bit and think that's me. surprise....not so much. I do like to hurl shots at our resident heretics masquerading as a good Christian. The hate coming form these good Christians is amazing. WWJD, bro!

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LOL. You still are not smart enough to read. You again turn a post into a chance to attack Trump.

You know what TDS. It is what you have. Where you take every shot to attack him, even to someone who does not support him (me).

Yeah I doubt this is a bit. Yes you are an internet tough guy because you are talking like this from behind a keyboard but admit you wouldn't do it in person.

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well see won't we Donnie! You too are an imbecilic Maga Trumpian which I have less than 0 time for. I'm all in on Trump. Keep blowing chit up Donnie.....My kids thank you!

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Whatever. You are clueless and don't know how to read. I have said several times I am not MAGA and am not all for Trump and criticize him a lot.

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From reading your post, you seem to believe TDS is a bad thing, correct? Why?

I would like to have a better idea of where having negative opinions on some versus all of Trump's stance and policies becomes TDS.

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Having TDS is bad because those that do cannot see anything good he does. He could cure cancer and they would find a reason to hate it. Someone with TDS cannot accept he has done some things that have been good.

People without TDS can have discussions on what he has done that is good, what he has done that is bad and what is unclear which direction it will go.

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Like this:

Border crossings - halo
Government stakes in private companies - pitchfork
Trade deficit down - halo
National debt up - pitchfork
Manufacturing investment incentives -halo
Blanket tariffs - pitchfork
Targeted tariffs - halo
Tantrum tariffs - pitchfork

Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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You are not understanding the connection I was making. The same that many people have made.

The people marching in the No Kings protests were trying to call Trump a king but ignoring the fact that Harris was not nominated, elected or chosen by the people to be the Democratic nominee for president. She was selected by Joe Biden (or his handlers). Sort of the way a king sometimes selects his successor.

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I do understand the connection you're trying to drawit's about perceived fairness and how candidates end up on the ballot versus how people talk about "democracy" in protests. But the comparison you're making mixes two very different kinds of processes, and that's where it starts to break down.
First, the "No Kings" rhetoric aimed at Donald Trump isn't really about how someone becomes a nominee. It's about concerns (fair or not) over executive power, rule of law, and whether a president might act like a king once in officeabove constraints. So the protest language is symbolic, not a literal claim about how candidates are selected.
Second, the situation with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden is more procedural than monarchical. Political parties in the U.S. are private organizations, and their nomination processes aren't actually governed directly by the Constitution. When a candidate steps aside late, the partythrough delegates and the Democratic National Committeehas rules that allow them to select a replacement quickly. It's not the same as voters choosing in a primary, but it is part of the system the party established ahead of time.
That doesn't mean you have to like it. A lot of peopleacross the political spectrumcriticize party control over nominations, especially when it feels like voters had less say. That's a fair concern.
But calling that process "like a king choosing a successor" goes a bit too far, because:

• There are still delegates, rules, and internal votes involved (not one person deciding unilaterally).
• Ultimately, voters still choose in the general election.
• And unlike a monarchy, the process can beand often ischallenged, criticized, or changed.

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BUDOS said:

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From reading your post, you seem to believe TDS is a bad thing, correct? Why?

I would like to have a better idea of where having negative opinions on some versus all of Trump's stance and policies becomes TDS.

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Having TDS is bad because those that do cannot see anything good he does. He could cure cancer and they would find a reason to hate it. Someone with TDS cannot accept he has done some things that have been good.

People without TDS can have discussions on what he has done that is good, what he has done that is bad and what is unclear which direction it will go.

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Thank you for taking my request as it was meant.
I like that explanation.
Based on your explanation, I would say that I am a semi-TDSer, or a bit more.
One reason is because, as Oldbear indicates, we of course don't always know and have the information He has, and that ain't always a bad thing. Another reason is that he did alleviate the uncontrolled immigration issue for now. I don't approve of his methods but something needed to be done. Me thoughts are similar about Iran. He has shook up NATO to fund themselves more, but then he goes too far. I think my real issue is that I just don't like his leadership style, narcissism, bigotry, being a compulsive liar, lack of professionalism, respect for others and his office, and I certainly don't trust him.

In my opinion he is the RINO, and he has done much to severely weaken my former party. No I am not a Democrat. I am a moderate conservative. To make things worse, I am more than willing to do what I have done in the past--vote for a third party candidate who is not as bad as the leading two party candidates. I know all the arguments against it, probably better than some others on this forum. However, until we suck it up, quite griping and do something about it, the public will continue to get what we have been getting. And no I don't expect us to really do anything, but it is possible to hope.

Again, thank you, both of us knowing that many times we will not agree. I respect the time you took to explain this to me and in the manner in which you did.

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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You are not understanding the connection I was making. The same that many people have made.

The people marching in the No Kings protests were trying to call Trump a king but ignoring the fact that Harris was not nominated, elected or chosen by the people to be the Democratic nominee for president. She was selected by Joe Biden (or his handlers). Sort of the way a king sometimes selects his successor.

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I do understand the connection you're trying to drawit's about perceived fairness and how candidates end up on the ballot versus how people talk about "democracy" in protests. But the comparison you're making mixes two very different kinds of processes, and that's where it starts to break down.
First, the "No Kings" rhetoric aimed at Donald Trump isn't really about how someone becomes a nominee. It's about concerns (fair or not) over executive power, rule of law, and whether a president might act like a king once in officeabove constraints. So the protest language is symbolic, not a literal claim about how candidates are selected.
Second, the situation with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden is more procedural than monarchical. Political parties in the U.S. are private organizations, and their nomination processes aren't actually governed directly by the Constitution. When a candidate steps aside late, the partythrough delegates and the Democratic National Committeehas rules that allow them to select a replacement quickly. It's not the same as voters choosing in a primary, but it is part of the system the party established ahead of time.
That doesn't mean you have to like it. A lot of peopleacross the political spectrumcriticize party control over nominations, especially when it feels like voters had less say. That's a fair concern.
But calling that process "like a king choosing a successor" goes a bit too far, because:

• There are still delegates, rules, and internal votes involved (not one person deciding unilaterally).
• Ultimately, voters still choose in the general election.
• And unlike a monarchy, the process can beand often ischallenged, criticized, or changed.

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LOL. yeah sure. Whatever.

If you are going to cut and paste someone else's views you should at least give them credit and provide the link you stole it from.

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cowboycwr said:

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BUDOS said:

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From reading your post, you seem to believe TDS is a bad thing, correct? Why?

I would like to have a better idea of where having negative opinions on some versus all of Trump's stance and policies becomes TDS.

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Having TDS is bad because those that do cannot see anything good he does. He could cure cancer and they would find a reason to hate it. Someone with TDS cannot accept he has done some things that have been good.

People without TDS can have discussions on what he has done that is good, what he has done that is bad and what is unclear which direction it will go.

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Thank you for taking my request as it was meant.
I like that explanation.
Based on your explanation, I would say that I am a semi-TDSer, or a bit more.
One reason is because, as Oldbear indicates, we of course don't always know and have the information He has, and that ain't always a bad thing. Another reason is that he did alleviate the uncontrolled immigration issue for now. I don't approve of his methods but something needed to be done. Me thoughts are similar about Iran. He has shook up NATO to fund themselves more, but then he goes too far. I think my real issue is that I just don't like his leadership style, narcissism, bigotry, being a compulsive liar, lack of professionalism, respect for others and his office, and I certainly don't trust him.

In my opinion he is the RINO, and he has done much to severely weaken my former party. No I am not a Democrat. I am a moderate conservative. To make things worse, I am more than willing to do what I have done in the past--vote for a third party candidate who is not as bad as the leading two party candidates. I know all the arguments against it, probably better than some others on this forum. However, until we suck it up, quite griping and do something about it, the public will continue to get what we have been getting. And no I don't expect us to really do anything, but it is possible to hope.

Again, thank you, both of us knowing that many times we will not agree. I respect the time you took to explain this to me and in the manner in which you did.

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I would not call that TDS but rather just normal criticism of the president (or any president). The problem as I see it with Trump is there seem to be way too many people on either end- where he does nothing right or he does nothing wrong. When in fact like any president he gets some right and some wrong.

cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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You are not understanding the connection I was making. The same that many people have made.

The people marching in the No Kings protests were trying to call Trump a king but ignoring the fact that Harris was not nominated, elected or chosen by the people to be the Democratic nominee for president. She was selected by Joe Biden (or his handlers). Sort of the way a king sometimes selects his successor.

---

I do understand the connection you're trying to drawit's about perceived fairness and how candidates end up on the ballot versus how people talk about "democracy" in protests. But the comparison you're making mixes two very different kinds of processes, and that's where it starts to break down.
First, the "No Kings" rhetoric aimed at Donald Trump isn't really about how someone becomes a nominee. It's about concerns (fair or not) over executive power, rule of law, and whether a president might act like a king once in officeabove constraints. So the protest language is symbolic, not a literal claim about how candidates are selected.
Second, the situation with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden is more procedural than monarchical. Political parties in the U.S. are private organizations, and their nomination processes aren't actually governed directly by the Constitution. When a candidate steps aside late, the partythrough delegates and the Democratic National Committeehas rules that allow them to select a replacement quickly. It's not the same as voters choosing in a primary, but it is part of the system the party established ahead of time.
That doesn't mean you have to like it. A lot of peopleacross the political spectrumcriticize party control over nominations, especially when it feels like voters had less say. That's a fair concern.
But calling that process "like a king choosing a successor" goes a bit too far, because:

• There are still delegates, rules, and internal votes involved (not one person deciding unilaterally).
• Ultimately, voters still choose in the general election.
• And unlike a monarchy, the process can beand often ischallenged, criticized, or changed.

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LOL. yeah sure. Whatever.

If you are going to cut and paste someone else's views you should at least give them credit and provide the link you stole it from.

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My view entirely. "Whateveer" simply means you have proof, so you bow out of the fray

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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You are not understanding the connection I was making. The same that many people have made.

The people marching in the No Kings protests were trying to call Trump a king but ignoring the fact that Harris was not nominated, elected or chosen by the people to be the Democratic nominee for president. She was selected by Joe Biden (or his handlers). Sort of the way a king sometimes selects his successor.

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I do understand the connection you're trying to drawit's about perceived fairness and how candidates end up on the ballot versus how people talk about "democracy" in protests. But the comparison you're making mixes two very different kinds of processes, and that's where it starts to break down.
First, the "No Kings" rhetoric aimed at Donald Trump isn't really about how someone becomes a nominee. It's about concerns (fair or not) over executive power, rule of law, and whether a president might act like a king once in officeabove constraints. So the protest language is symbolic, not a literal claim about how candidates are selected.
Second, the situation with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden is more procedural than monarchical. Political parties in the U.S. are private organizations, and their nomination processes aren't actually governed directly by the Constitution. When a candidate steps aside late, the partythrough delegates and the Democratic National Committeehas rules that allow them to select a replacement quickly. It's not the same as voters choosing in a primary, but it is part of the system the party established ahead of time.
That doesn't mean you have to like it. A lot of peopleacross the political spectrumcriticize party control over nominations, especially when it feels like voters had less say. That's a fair concern.
But calling that process "like a king choosing a successor" goes a bit too far, because:

• There are still delegates, rules, and internal votes involved (not one person deciding unilaterally).
• Ultimately, voters still choose in the general election.
• And unlike a monarchy, the process can beand often ischallenged, criticized, or changed.

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LOL. yeah sure. Whatever.

If you are going to cut and paste someone else's views you should at least give them credit and provide the link you stole it from.

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My view entirely. "Whateveer" simply means you have proof, so you bow out of the fray

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I have given you the proof. You choose to ignore it.

There is no way that is yours as you never make that clear of an argument. Ever.

Again the proof has been provided to you. You choose to ignore it and deflect away from it because it hurts your argument.

The same people marching for "no kings" were ok with a person being chosen by a select few to be the presidential nominee.

You can try and dismiss it but that is what happened. Biden dropped out. He said KH should be the nominee. Then the Democratic party leaders voted her to be it. Which was really their only choice. They did not get to vote on her or someone else. It was her or no one. Her or start the process to find a replacement late in the summer with the election months away.

So again she was chosen by a select few like an oligarchy.

So again the no kings protesters are trying to focus on Trump being a king but ignoring the king like actions of the Democrats.

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Ok, I apologize if I missed the first part of this "conversation" between you two. My question is about this last couple of posts. What about the voters, such as the independents who voted for Trump, then, after observing his actions for a period of time decided that they had made a mistake and are trying to do something about it, such as protesting? I know such people right here in Southwest Missouri.

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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You are not understanding the connection I was making. The same that many people have made.

The people marching in the No Kings protests were trying to call Trump a king but ignoring the fact that Harris was not nominated, elected or chosen by the people to be the Democratic nominee for president. She was selected by Joe Biden (or his handlers). Sort of the way a king sometimes selects his successor.

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I do understand the connection you're trying to drawit's about perceived fairness and how candidates end up on the ballot versus how people talk about "democracy" in protests. But the comparison you're making mixes two very different kinds of processes, and that's where it starts to break down.
First, the "No Kings" rhetoric aimed at Donald Trump isn't really about how someone becomes a nominee. It's about concerns (fair or not) over executive power, rule of law, and whether a president might act like a king once in officeabove constraints. So the protest language is symbolic, not a literal claim about how candidates are selected.
Second, the situation with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden is more procedural than monarchical. Political parties in the U.S. are private organizations, and their nomination processes aren't actually governed directly by the Constitution. When a candidate steps aside late, the partythrough delegates and the Democratic National Committeehas rules that allow them to select a replacement quickly. It's not the same as voters choosing in a primary, but it is part of the system the party established ahead of time.
That doesn't mean you have to like it. A lot of peopleacross the political spectrumcriticize party control over nominations, especially when it feels like voters had less say. That's a fair concern.
But calling that process "like a king choosing a successor" goes a bit too far, because:

• There are still delegates, rules, and internal votes involved (not one person deciding unilaterally).
• Ultimately, voters still choose in the general election.
• And unlike a monarchy, the process can beand often ischallenged, criticized, or changed.

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LOL. yeah sure. Whatever.

If you are going to cut and paste someone else's views you should at least give them credit and provide the link you stole it from.

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My view entirely. "Whateveer" simply means you have proof, so you bow out of the fray

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I have given you the proof. You choose to ignore it.

There is no way that is yours as you never make that clear of an argument. Ever.

Again the proof has been provided to you. You choose to ignore it and deflect away from it because it hurts your argument.

The same people marching for "no kings" were ok with a person being chosen by a select few to be the presidential nominee.

You can try and dismiss it but that is what happened. Biden dropped out. He said KH should be the nominee. Then the Democratic party leaders voted her to be it. Which was really their only choice. They did not get to vote on her or someone else. It was her or no one. Her or start the process to find a replacement late in the summer with the election months away.

So again she was chosen by a select few like an oligarchy.

So again the no kings protesters are trying to focus on Trump being a king but ignoring the king like actions of the Democrats.

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Ok, I apologize if I missed the first part of this "conversation" between you two. My question is about this last couple of posts. What about the voters, such as the independents who voted for Trump, then, after observing his actions for a period of time decided that they had made a mistake and are trying to do something about it, such as protesting? I know such people right here in Southwest Missouri.

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There is a difference between protesting a president, feeling fooled by their campaign promises, feeling they are doing the opposite of it, etc. and calling them a king.

I voted for Trump and think he has failed at numerous things and have called him out on them. He did nothing about Hillary or draining the swamp. He has botched the Epstein files. The Iran war. Etc.

But I do not think any of his actions are "king like" and will not be marching in a no kings protest.

People have opposed Presidents and their actions since Washington. But no one has gone out and held marches against them like this.

Heck even when Presidents were accused of being "king like" for their actions like Jackson and his defiance of the Supreme Court or FDR and his election to a 4th term, people did not call them king as much as they do Trump and him doing things that every president does.

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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Yes, but they should also be forced to post who is bankrolling those protests, what their purpose for bankolling them, how much each protestor is being paid, how much have they spent printing all the signage and so forth

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Nah, disagree. Just imagine someone in power forcing all those conditions on any protest. We all remember Obama persecuting conservatives just because he wanted to, using the IRS to deny valid exemptions and using the FBI to terrorize moms and dads who asked questions from school boards.

Better to do the research ourselves and let the public know.

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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You are not understanding the connection I was making. The same that many people have made.

The people marching in the No Kings protests were trying to call Trump a king but ignoring the fact that Harris was not nominated, elected or chosen by the people to be the Democratic nominee for president. She was selected by Joe Biden (or his handlers). Sort of the way a king sometimes selects his successor.

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I do understand the connection you're trying to drawit's about perceived fairness and how candidates end up on the ballot versus how people talk about "democracy" in protests. But the comparison you're making mixes two very different kinds of processes, and that's where it starts to break down.
First, the "No Kings" rhetoric aimed at Donald Trump isn't really about how someone becomes a nominee. It's about concerns (fair or not) over executive power, rule of law, and whether a president might act like a king once in officeabove constraints. So the protest language is symbolic, not a literal claim about how candidates are selected.
Second, the situation with Kamala Harris and Joe Biden is more procedural than monarchical. Political parties in the U.S. are private organizations, and their nomination processes aren't actually governed directly by the Constitution. When a candidate steps aside late, the partythrough delegates and the Democratic National Committeehas rules that allow them to select a replacement quickly. It's not the same as voters choosing in a primary, but it is part of the system the party established ahead of time.
That doesn't mean you have to like it. A lot of peopleacross the political spectrumcriticize party control over nominations, especially when it feels like voters had less say. That's a fair concern.
But calling that process "like a king choosing a successor" goes a bit too far, because:

• There are still delegates, rules, and internal votes involved (not one person deciding unilaterally).
• Ultimately, voters still choose in the general election.
• And unlike a monarchy, the process can beand often ischallenged, criticized, or changed.

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LOL. yeah sure. Whatever.

If you are going to cut and paste someone else's views you should at least give them credit and provide the link you stole it from.

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My view entirely. "Whateveer" simply means you have proof, so you bow out of the fray

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"Whatever" normally means that what was said/typed/done was dismissed as implausible, unreasonable, unrealistic, or way off the mark.

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well then I'm wrong . my apologies

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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Yes, but they should also be forced to post who is bankrolling those protests, what their purpose for bankolling them, how much each protestor is being paid, how much have they spent printing all the signage and so forth

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what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Of course we have people riding checks to support these protest. They are not free. We are simply doing what Trump does, which is rely on private money for all his rallies and projects.

Waco1947 said:

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Assassin said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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Yes, but they should also be forced to post who is bankrolling those protests, what their purpose for bankolling them, how much each protestor is being paid, how much have they spent printing all the signage and so forth

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what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Of course we have people riding checks to support these protest. They are not free. We are simply doing what Trump does, which is rely on private money for all his rallies and projects.

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That may be the dumbest of all the dumb things you have ever posted on this site. Congratulations

Assassin said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Assassin said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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Yes, but they should also be forced to post who is bankrolling those protests, what their purpose for bankolling them, how much each protestor is being paid, how much have they spent printing all the signage and so forth

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what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Of course we have people riding checks to support these protest. They are not free. We are simply doing what Trump does, which is rely on private money for all his rallies and projects.

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That may be the dumbest of all the dumb things you have ever posted on this site. Congratulations

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Why? You simply made an assertion with no proof. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Not saying some of the apparent fact that Trump is taking advantage of opportunities to increase his wealth is illegal, but ethics don't seem to mean as much to him as many of us would like to see. The American public used to demand better, but over the last few elections we seem to settle for less and demand far less. Perhaps we are getting the leaders we deserve.

20 White House cabinet members have directed at least $30 million to benefit Trump - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-investigations/20-white-house-cabinet-members-have-directed-at-least-30-million-to-benefit-trump/

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Waco1947 said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Assassin said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Your choices were to not march in a no Kings protest after being ok with a presidential candidate the voters did not choose.


Minority rights include the right to protest. Am I missing something in the Constitution?
The key is the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. It protects several related freedoms:

• Freedom of speech
• Freedom of the press
• Freedom of assembly
• The right to petition the government for a redress of grievances

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Yes, but they should also be forced to post who is bankrolling those protests, what their purpose for bankolling them, how much each protestor is being paid, how much have they spent printing all the signage and so forth

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what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Of course we have people riding checks to support these protest. They are not free. We are simply doing what Trump does, which is rely on private money for all his rallies and projects.

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That may be the dumbest of all the dumb things you have ever posted on this site. Congratulations

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Why? You simply made an assertion with no proof. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Times like this, it's important to remember that English is not Waco's first language, and idioms' meanings escape him at times.

It may well be beyond his scope for him to grasp the difference between Trump spending private money on projects which benefit the nation and hurt no one, and hidden figures spending money to falsely claim millions of Americans are outraged.

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He's pretty thick