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SCOTUS takes up birthright citizenship
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Most countries do not allow 'birthright citizenship'.
Strange that the US allows such a frequently abused practice.
Strange that the US allows such a frequently abused practice.
KaiBear said:
Most countries do not allow 'birthright citizenship'.
Strange that the US allows such a frequently abused practice.
They literally had to kill half the country to make it law.
KaiBear said:
Most countries do not allow 'birthright citizenship'.
Strange that the US allows such a frequently abused practice.
That's because our country is for sale
BREAKING: Justice Sam Alito explains that unlimited birthright citizenship means a Chinese, Iranian or Russian foreigner can have a child in America, and that US citizen owes military allegiance to a foreign adversary. pic.twitter.com/f58J4QR8mS
— Leading Report (@LeadingReport) April 1, 2026
Chief Justice Roberts probes Solicitor General Sauer on salience of "birth tourism" in birthright citizenship case: "You do agree that has no impact on the legal analysis before us?"
— CSPAN (@cspan) April 1, 2026
Sauer: "We're in a new world now."
Roberts: "It's a new world, it's the same Constitution." pic.twitter.com/aRSSEjpkrh
boognish_bear said:Chief Justice Roberts probes Solicitor General Sauer on salience of "birth tourism" in birthright citizenship case: "You do agree that has no impact on the legal analysis before us?"
— CSPAN (@cspan) April 1, 2026
Sauer: "We're in a new world now."
Roberts: "It's a new world, it's the same Constitution." pic.twitter.com/aRSSEjpkrh
Suddenly Roberts is a originalist!
In all seriousness, its up to the congress to make a law to limit birthright tourism IMO. Of course that would be challenged too but may be a better way to go than an executive order.
BearFan33 said:boognish_bear said:Chief Justice Roberts probes Solicitor General Sauer on salience of "birth tourism" in birthright citizenship case: "You do agree that has no impact on the legal analysis before us?"
— CSPAN (@cspan) April 1, 2026
Sauer: "We're in a new world now."
Roberts: "It's a new world, it's the same Constitution." pic.twitter.com/aRSSEjpkrh
Suddenly Roberts is a originalist!
In all seriousness, its up to the congress to make a law to limit birthright tourism IMO. Of course that would be challenged too but may be a better way to go than an executive order.
While I agree, Democrats will not, because birthright tourism is playing by the rules. Simply playing the game, in a straightforward and lawful way. If they limit that, they would have to also limit birthright for illegals, because it is not playing by the rules, and the result of breaking the law.
How is someone illegally coming into the country able to get their children birthright citizenship. It is like giving a foreign combatant the right to have citizen children because they gave birth here. I would have to believe there is evidence in the debate on the 14th amendment that this was not the intent of the amendment.
EatMoreSalmon said:
How is someone illegally coming into the country able to get their children birthright citizenship. It is like giving a foreign combatant the right to have citizen children because they gave birth here. I would have to believe there is evidence in the debate on the 14th amendment that this was not the intent of the amendment.
I feel like if INTENT is argued then it would be that the 14th amendment was meant to give former slaves citizenship. And that was it. At the time even Native Americans were still not considered citizens (so the government could continue to fight them without getting into the legal gray area of denying due process, fighting your own citizens, etc.)
So I agree the intent is where the debate should/will end up
Chinese national pleads guilty to running 'birth tourism' scheme that helped aliens give birth in US to secure birthright citizenship
"SANTA ANA, Calif. A Chinese national pleaded guilty today to federal criminal charges for running an Orange County-based "birth tourism" business that catered to wealthy pregnant clients and Chinese government officials, charging them tens of thousands of dollars to help them give birth in the United States so their children would get U.S. citizenship.
Dongyuan Li (), 41, of Irvine, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit immigration fraud and one count of visa fraud. Li was one of 19 defendants named in a series of indictments unsealed earlier this year which resulted from an massive probe by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Los Angeles and IRS Criminal Investigation. Substantial assistance was provided by the Irvine Police Department and the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.
Li is the first of the charged operators of birth tourism businesses to plead guilty. The remaining defendants either are pending trial or are fugitives.
The indictment details that Li used 20 apartments in Irvine, charged each customer between $40,000 and $80,000, and she received $3 million in international wire transfers from China in two years."
"SANTA ANA, Calif. A Chinese national pleaded guilty today to federal criminal charges for running an Orange County-based "birth tourism" business that catered to wealthy pregnant clients and Chinese government officials, charging them tens of thousands of dollars to help them give birth in the United States so their children would get U.S. citizenship.
Dongyuan Li (), 41, of Irvine, pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy to commit immigration fraud and one count of visa fraud. Li was one of 19 defendants named in a series of indictments unsealed earlier this year which resulted from an massive probe by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement's (ICE) Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Los Angeles and IRS Criminal Investigation. Substantial assistance was provided by the Irvine Police Department and the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.
Li is the first of the charged operators of birth tourism businesses to plead guilty. The remaining defendants either are pending trial or are fugitives.
The indictment details that Li used 20 apartments in Irvine, charged each customer between $40,000 and $80,000, and she received $3 million in international wire transfers from China in two years."
Schrodinger's American where everyone in the world is American but also America and Americans are just an idea built on stolen land that really don't exist at all.
— Paul (@WomanDefiner) April 2, 2026
Not a singular East Asian country has birthright citizenship btw https://t.co/WDcBHYvasB
— Kangmin Lee | 이강민 (@kangminlee) April 1, 2026
EatMoreSalmon said:
How is someone illegally coming into the country able to get their children birthright citizenship. It is like giving a foreign combatant the right to have citizen children because they gave birth here. I would have to believe there is evidence in the debate on the 14th amendment that this was not the intent of the amendment.
It was done slowly, the courts ruling that way. But the courts never imagined the scale of today.
It is likely that Congress would have to address this. Precedent has been set. Trump's team might have screwed up making this mostly about birthright tourism, instead of illegal immigrant birthright citizenship.
I have a hard time believing that this Supreme Court is going to rule to end it. I guess we will see. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. The granting of citizenship to a foreigner should be a very deliberate act, not something that happens because the blue passport has been placed in vending machines.
Birthright citizenship is problematic to be sure. We don't need baby tourists. I'm all for immigration if done legally. Piggy can't change it with a sharpie scribble. Has to be done by congress. This litigious POS is on a roll swinging and missing! What does it cost for fat man to tie up our courts on non sense.
This, in the end, is why the gleeful, criminal abuse of birthright citizenship is such a crime. It essentially bleeds my own children dry and sends our hardwon resources to children of people who just got here.
— Peachy Keenan (@KeenanPeachy) April 2, 2026
My husband and I both work. Even with that, with five kids in CA,…
Realitybites said:
I have a hard time believing that this Supreme Court is going to rule to end it..
You are right
They wont…but they should
The 14th was created in a specific time and to address a specific issue (ex-slaves denied citizenship). But in the modern world of near instantaneous jet travel it's a system designed to be abused.
In 2023, 9% of all US births came from undocumented immigrants and temporary visa workers, the latter of which Trump’s administration has opted to expand the number of.
— AF Post (@AFpost) April 2, 2026
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We're cooked.
muddybrazos said:In 2023, 9% of all US births came from undocumented immigrants and temporary visa workers, the latter of which Trump’s administration has opted to expand the number of.
— AF Post (@AFpost) April 2, 2026
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We're cooked.
The fate of the republic rests on the shoulders of a white woman with two Haitian kids
Sic 'em Bears and Go Birds
Redbrickbear said:Realitybites said:
I have a hard time believing that this Supreme Court is going to rule to end it..
You are right
They wont…but they should
They would have to completely upend their own precedent, so...probably not.
First proposed version of 14th amendment citizenship clause:
All laws, state or national, shall operate impartially and equally on all persons without regard to race or color.
Final version:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
All laws, state or national, shall operate impartially and equally on all persons without regard to race or color.
Final version:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
"The policy implication is straightforward...A system that emphasizes family reunification or humanitarian admissions will, by design, admit individuals who are poorer, less likely to speak English, be employed, and more likely naturally to be on welfare." https://t.co/a7YLr7i58c pic.twitter.com/TPlg9oR2y7
— Rob Henderson (@robkhenderson) April 3, 2026
This is a very smart argument - I hope John Sauer made it in his brief on anchor babies' alleged "citizenship."
— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) April 9, 2026
<<The extent of birthright citizenship thus turns on conflicting ideas about jurisdiction—one view being based on territory, the other on exclusive allegiance....
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