Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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I think we can model God's will after Africa. Nothing brings more glory to the creator than a 35 year old Nigerian woman with 12 children.

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Nigerian women don't have 12 kids anymore…in fact they never did…their fertility rate was never as high as 12

And in fact the fertility rate there and all over Africa is in free fall.

Nations once they embrace modern values, birth control-family planning tech, and move off the farm and leave behind agriculture for urban development…all see their birth rates drastically reduce

Africa is going through the exact same process the West and Asia went through.

Across Africa the fertility rate is now down to 4.5 (some say 4.0) ….and the USA in 1960 was at 3.6

So it's nearly at the same rate America was when the boomers were kids.

And the African decline continues at pace….

Seems like fertility decline hit Africa later but it’s now collapsing similarly to Asia pic.twitter.com/IYDDaQ0nzC

— Dr. Ben Braddock (@GraduatedBen) April 7, 2023

"A little-known fact is that even Africa's fertility rate is falling fast -- it's now down to 4, and at this pace of decline it'll go below replacement in 33 years."

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Are you planning a mission trip to fix this? We can't have women walking around without babies in their arms

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I don't even know what you mean by this....and you probably don't as well.

I assume its some kind of dumb jab against anyone who worries about human depopulation collapse or who might see negatives theologically with mass contraceptive use.

Christianity is pro-child. If you don't like then you might need to find another religion.

And modern Human advanced economies need at the very least replacement rate fertility to keep going....if not...then economic collapse is inevitable.

I assume you enjoy living in the modern world with nice convivences....that is built on having enough babies being born to keep the whole thing going into the next generation.

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I can't imagine how hard of time you have programming your microwave

ron.reagan said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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ron.reagan said:

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I think we can model God's will after Africa. Nothing brings more glory to the creator than a 35 year old Nigerian woman with 12 children.

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Nigerian women don't have 12 kids anymore…in fact they never did…their fertility rate was never as high as 12

And in fact the fertility rate there and all over Africa is in free fall.

Nations once they embrace modern values, birth control-family planning tech, and move off the farm and leave behind agriculture for urban development…all see their birth rates drastically reduce

Africa is going through the exact same process the West and Asia went through.

Across Africa the fertility rate is now down to 4.5 (some say 4.0) ….and the USA in 1960 was at 3.6

So it's nearly at the same rate America was when the boomers were kids.

And the African decline continues at pace….

Seems like fertility decline hit Africa later but it’s now collapsing similarly to Asia pic.twitter.com/IYDDaQ0nzC

— Dr. Ben Braddock (@GraduatedBen) April 7, 2023

"A little-known fact is that even Africa's fertility rate is falling fast -- it's now down to 4, and at this pace of decline it'll go below replacement in 33 years."

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Are you planning a mission trip to fix this? We can't have women walking around without babies in their arms

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I don't even know what you mean by this....and you probably don't as well.

I assume its some kind of dumb jab against anyone who worries about human depopulation collapse or who might see negatives theologically with mass contraceptive use.

Christianity is pro-child. If you don't like then you might need to find another religion.

And modern Human advanced economies need at the very least replacement rate fertility to keep going....if not...then economic collapse is inevitable.

I assume you enjoy living in the modern world with nice convivences....that is built on having enough babies being born to keep the whole thing going into the next generation.

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I can't imagine how hard of time you have programming your microwave

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You wasted a post with that?

Mitch Blood Green said:

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I have several successful marriage-eligible nephews who are avoiding marriage and avoiding American women.

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That's a separate issue, specifically the disadvantage men face in family law court. 80% of divorces filings in America are filed by women. You can be a perfectly good guy, and if your wife decides she wants to trans your son, file a strategic divorce and take half your assets and look for the next draft pick, there's little to be done about it.

If I was in my 20s, I would probably be doing something similar.

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It can be a sin NOT to practice contraception - if a married couple is not ready to support a child, then they would knowlingly risk putting a strain on them, their family, and society as well as risk endangering the well-being of a potential child by their not using contraception. It would be a selfish, irresponsible, and unloving act.

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This is the same argument people use to justify abortion.

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I stayed out of this discussion for a while, because I see a number of points for each side, and the effect on conscience some decisions have.

It should be obvious as a starting place that abortion - killing a human life - is very different from contraception, even if someone believes contraception to be sin.

It should also be obvious that some things we can know today are very different from what we could know a century ago, let alone when the Scriptures were penned. So discernment is needed to judge rightly.

I also keep in mind that a young woman who finds herself pregnant when she did not mean to be, is going to be weighed down with emotion, and sound judgment is difficult in such times, especially if that woman does not have a health and supportive family, not to mention the men who create pregnancies then run away from their responsibility.

I believe in a Lord of mercy, who earnestly desires us to make the right decision but is not quick to punish for even serious mistakes of judgment.

Does anyone disagree with those four points?

Doc Holliday said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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It can be a sin NOT to practice contraception - if a married couple is not ready to support a child, then they would knowlingly risk putting a strain on them, their family, and society as well as risk endangering the well-being of a potential child by their not using contraception. It would be a selfish, irresponsible, and unloving act.

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This is the same argument people use to justify abortion.

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It is. And?

A guy breaks up with his girlfriend because he he wants to have peace and to escape from all her drama that was driving him crazy.

Another guy also wants to have peace and escape from his girlfriend's drama.... so he kills her.


Same reasoning, so I guess that first guy was wrong, eh?

No.

Battle me? That's a sin.

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It should be obvious as a starting place that abortion - killing a human life - is very different from contraception, even if someone believes contraception to be sin.

It should also be obvious that some things we can know today are very different from what we could know a century ago, let alone when the Scriptures were penned. So discernment is needed to judge rightly.

I also keep in mind that a young woman who finds herself pregnant when she did not mean to be, is going to be weighed down with emotion, and sound judgment is difficult in such times, especially if that woman does not have a health and supportive family, not to mention the men who create pregnancies then run away from their responsibility.

I believe in a Lord of mercy, who earnestly desires us to make the right decision but is not quick to punish for even serious mistakes of judgment.

Does anyone disagree with those four points?

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I agree without any dispute with point #4 and point #3.

With regards to point #2, I think it would be equally easy to indict our society with the words of Festus: "Paul, you are out of your mind! Your great learning is driving you insane" as opposed to drawing the conclusion that what we have learned makes us better decision makers corporately. Knowledge and wisdom are two separate things and what I see is stark devolution in human behavior, intellect, culture, and decision making ability.

With regards to point #1, the degree to which contraception differs from abortion would depend on the method of contraception used and the point at which one considers life to have begun.

Realitybites said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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It should be obvious as a starting place that abortion - killing a human life - is very different from contraception, even if someone believes contraception to be sin.

It should also be obvious that some things we can know today are very different from what we could know a century ago, let alone when the Scriptures were penned. So discernment is needed to judge rightly.

I also keep in mind that a young woman who finds herself pregnant when she did not mean to be, is going to be weighed down with emotion, and sound judgment is difficult in such times, especially if that woman does not have a health and supportive family, not to mention the men who create pregnancies then run away from their responsibility.

I believe in a Lord of mercy, who earnestly desires us to make the right decision but is not quick to punish for even serious mistakes of judgment.

Does anyone disagree with those four points?

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I agree without any dispute with point #4 and point #3.

With regards to point #2, I think it would be equally easy to indict our society with the words of Festus: "Paul, you are out of your mind! Your great learning is driving you insane" as opposed to drawing the conclusion that what we have learned makes us better decision makers corporately. Knowledge and wisdom are two separate things and what I see is stark devolution in human behavior, intellect, culture, and decision making ability.

With regards to point #1, the degree to which contraception differs from abortion would depend on the method of contraception used and the point at which one considers life to have begun.

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With regards to your statement about learning and knowledge. It is important to note that the world has definitely changed since new testament times. the world is facing a much large population and the challenge of feeding that population is an important thing that we need to manage. I believe that God gave people intelligence for a purpose and we need to use that intelligence.

Realitybites said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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It should be obvious as a starting place that abortion - killing a human life - is very different from contraception, even if someone believes contraception to be sin.

It should also be obvious that some things we can know today are very different from what we could know a century ago, let alone when the Scriptures were penned. So discernment is needed to judge rightly.

I also keep in mind that a young woman who finds herself pregnant when she did not mean to be, is going to be weighed down with emotion, and sound judgment is difficult in such times, especially if that woman does not have a health and supportive family, not to mention the men who create pregnancies then run away from their responsibility.

I believe in a Lord of mercy, who earnestly desires us to make the right decision but is not quick to punish for even serious mistakes of judgment.

Does anyone disagree with those four points?

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With regards to point #1, the degree to which contraception differs from abortion would depend on the method of contraception used and the point at which one considers life to have begun.

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True in a sense, but historically the two sins were considered equivalent regardless of when life began. The gravity of both sins was in their violation of the unitive and procreative aspects of marriage, not necessarily the violation of a human life.

Sam Lowry said:

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Contraception is completely antithetical to Christian morality. It's among the root causes of the West's current crisis by way of countless societal ills (fatherless homes, generational poverty, population decline, etc.).

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Not by a long shot. Contraception is one way to prevent to prevent fatherless homes and poverty.

TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Contraception is completely antithetical to Christian morality. It's among the root causes of the West's current crisis by way of countless societal ills (fatherless homes, generational poverty, population decline, etc.).

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Not by a long shot. Contraception is one way to prevent to prevent fatherless homes and poverty.

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The evidence of objective reality suggests otherwise.

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ATL Bear said:

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Using contraception isn't a sin. Using contraception to live a sinful life is. Unfortunately I am willing to admit since its advent the latter has created family and social crisis.

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I don't understand. Seems to me, lack of birth control has created the problems y'all speak of.

Birth control prevents abortions and out of wedlock births.

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Really? We have more abortions and out of wedlock births by an incredible multiple compared to before birth control.

What birth control created was a fundamental altering of sexual mores. And as a result we have everything from the aforementioned abortions and out of wedlock births, to broken families, accepted promiscuity and deviancy, and a sexualized culture that impacts our youth at a younger and younger age. Yes, it's prevented some unwanted pregnancies along the way, but at what cost did decoupling sex and responsibility have on our society? Incalculable.

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None of that has anything to do with birth control. It's all the change in society. The cause is far more complicated than whether I wore a condom or not. In my parents' generation, pregnant women married the guy and sometimes suffered through a horrible marriage due to a lack of resources and opportunity.

Today, she's foolishly a "strong" single mom." At times, she's a 4th-generation single mom. No shame in having 4 kids by 4 men. Birth control would have made those women more desirable to the eligible men they want at 30.

From what I see online, there's a huge fissureAm between men and women that I don't know how to solve. From what I see, more people are choosing not to marry. That's where I'd start. I have several successful marriage-eligible nephews who are avoiding marriage and avoiding American women.

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preach brother Mitch! As someone whose partner is not American....I get your nephews. There are good ones out there , but most are taken and the rest result fishing in a small pool.

There are millions of Americans missing because of abortion.

Missing of course being a nice way of saying they were murdered in the womb.

But another interesting question is how many millions are missing because of contraception?

There have been roughly 60 million (recorded) abortions since Roe v Wade in 1973.

There are roughly 58 million immigrants in the U.S. (likely higher due to unrecorded illegal entries), beginning primarily with the Hart-Cellar act of 1965.

70 million people today are considered…

— American Philosophy (@AmerPhilo2025) April 16, 2026

Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Contraception is completely antithetical to Christian morality. It's among the root causes of the West's current crisis by way of countless societal ills (fatherless homes, generational poverty, population decline, etc.).

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Not by a long shot. Contraception is one way to prevent to prevent fatherless homes and poverty.

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The evidence of objective reality suggests otherwise.

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Not by a long shot.

TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Contraception is completely antithetical to Christian morality. It's among the root causes of the West's current crisis by way of countless societal ills (fatherless homes, generational poverty, population decline, etc.).

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Not by a long shot. Contraception is one way to prevent to prevent fatherless homes and poverty.

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The evidence of objective reality suggests otherwise.

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Not by a long shot.

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But contraception has little to do with fatherless. America has never had more fatherless homes than now and that increase began right around the time of mass co contraception.

So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

We ran the experiment and it didn't work

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Less poverty is debatable. Would be increasing to see some studies and see if contraception has any real effect on poverty rates.

Economic development, capitalism, and technological innovation lead to less poverty. I doubt having less kids has much of an effect. And long term less kids is not usually good for the economy (aging & declining population leads to less development, innovation, workers/consumers and more economic stagnation)


% of fatherless in America by decade:

Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Contraception is completely antithetical to Christian morality. It's among the root causes of the West's current crisis by way of countless societal ills (fatherless homes, generational poverty, population decline, etc.).

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Not by a long shot. Contraception is one way to prevent to prevent fatherless homes and poverty.

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The evidence of objective reality suggests otherwise.

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Not by a long shot.

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But contraception has little to do with fatherless. America has never had more fatherless homes than now and that increase began right around the time of mass co contraception.

So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

We ran the experiment and it didn't work

PS

Less poverty is debatable. Would be increasing to see some studies and see if contraception has any real effect on poverty rates.

Economic development, capitalism, and technological innovation lead to less poverty. I doubt having less kids has much of an effect. And long term less kids is not usually good for the economy (aging & declining population leads to less development, innovation, workers/consumers and more economic stagnation)


% of fatherless in America by decade:

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So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

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You're right, correlation does not automatically equal causation. It does point to how much worse fatherless homes would be without contraception. I guess you know the National Fatherhood Initiative encourages healthcare providers to ask women about future pregnancy plans and, if they wish to avoid pregnancy, discuss various birth control options.

It's a vicious cycle. People who grow up in poverty, fatherless or not, have less opportunity, and are likely remain in poverty and to make bad life decisions. Impoverished women most often are the ones impregnated by irresponsible men - men who will not take on the responsibility of being a father. In many instances, these men make terrible fathers, husbands, and role models. The best way to prevent fatherless households is to provide access to contraception, avoiding pregnancy in the first place.

Strange.

There is strong evidence that women who have abortions are often less happy in their long-term relationships.

Also strong evidence that fatherless children grow up with serious and permanent problems.

A reasonable person would look at those two data points and conclude that helping hetero couples find stable, loving relationships is the best plan for happiness and prosperity for all persons involved including the children, yet some still cling to the idea that abortion is a good thing and/or that men are not essential to a happy home.

And let's not forget the men who follow role 'models' in sports and celebrity who don't meet their duties as committed partners, fathers and heads of households. Such men should be shamed, not praised.

TexasScientist said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Contraception is completely antithetical to Christian morality. It's among the root causes of the West's current crisis by way of countless societal ills (fatherless homes, generational poverty, population decline, etc.).

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Not by a long shot. Contraception is one way to prevent to prevent fatherless homes and poverty.

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The evidence of objective reality suggests otherwise.

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Not by a long shot.

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But contraception has little to do with fatherless. America has never had more fatherless homes than now and that increase began right around the time of mass co contraception.

So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

We ran the experiment and it didn't work

PS

Less poverty is debatable. Would be increasing to see some studies and see if contraception has any real effect on poverty rates.

Economic development, capitalism, and technological innovation lead to less poverty. I doubt having less kids has much of an effect. And long term less kids is not usually good for the economy (aging & declining population leads to less development, innovation, workers/consumers and more economic stagnation)


% of fatherless in America by decade:

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So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

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You're right, correlation does not automatically equal causation. It does point to how much worse fatherless homes would be without contraception..

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And we had LESS fatherless homes before contraception was available.

So we can blow out your theory that somehow the pill is helping things.

We went from around 10% of kids being born out of wedlock…to 30%-40% today

(70% in the Black community)

The pill did little to nothing to stop that…in fact it might have accelerated the effect since many people think contraceptives are totally preventative (something that is not true) and thus radically increased their risky sexual activity.

The pill ushered in the age cheap and commitment-less sex. Marriage rates collapsed right after the pill came on the scene.

The pill did little else to actually help society.

And now we know that the mass use of it among married couples might be bringing on a demographic crisis and economic collapse

Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Contraception is completely antithetical to Christian morality. It's among the root causes of the West's current crisis by way of countless societal ills (fatherless homes, generational poverty, population decline, etc.).

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Not by a long shot. Contraception is one way to prevent to prevent fatherless homes and poverty.

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The evidence of objective reality suggests otherwise.

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Not by a long shot.

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But contraception has little to do with fatherless. America has never had more fatherless homes than now and that increase began right around the time of mass co contraception.

So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

We ran the experiment and it didn't work

PS

Less poverty is debatable. Would be increasing to see some studies and see if contraception has any real effect on poverty rates.

Economic development, capitalism, and technological innovation lead to less poverty. I doubt having less kids has much of an effect. And long term less kids is not usually good for the economy (aging & declining population leads to less development, innovation, workers/consumers and more economic stagnation)


% of fatherless in America by decade:

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Quote:

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So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

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You're right, correlation does not automatically equal causation. It does point to how much worse fatherless homes would be without contraception..

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And we had LESS fatherless homes before contraception was available.

So we can blow out your theory that somehow the pill is helping things.

We went from around 10% of kids being born out of wedlock…to 30%-40% today

(70% in the Black community)

The pill did little to nothing to stop that…in fact it might have accelerated the effect since many people think contraceptives are totally preventative (something that is not true) and thus radically increased their risky sexual activity.

The pill ushered in the age cheap and commitment-less sex. Marriage rates collapsed right after the pill came on the scene.

The pill did little else to actually help society.

And now we know that the mass use of it among married couples might be bringing on a demographic crisis and economic collapse

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Yep.

I've been doing some recent reading on the effect of the pill on women. An author who is neither pro/anti the pill mentions several things that have changed for such women.

1. It changes the hormones of women which in turn changes their behavior. How this plays out is harder to quantify but one woman described as going of the pill as seeing the richness of color come back into her life. She suddenly cared more about how she looked and was attracted to certain men more. Think about what this means as the majority of women are on birth control. In 20152017, 64.9% of the 72.2 million women aged 1549 in the United States were currently using contraception.

2. It reduces the cortisol spike a natural woman would get with regard to danger or excitement. For example, a woman on the pill won't perceive the same level of risk to say a snake as a natural woman would. This means they aren't perceiving risk as they naturally should.

3. Women who are on the pill don't have the oxytocin release that a natural woman would have after having sex with their boyfriend/husband. This is important for bonding to your spouse. There are studies where women on the pill don't light up at a picture of their husband and instead perceive him at the same level as as stranger. For a woman not on the pill, they light up at the sight of their husband because of the oxytocin effect. There are also plenty of examples where a woman gets off the pill and is no longer interested in her husband who she met while on the pill or starts to have affairs because she is no longer into him off the pill.

4. Women on the pill often see a decreased desire in sex. This has an effect on men who then are getting decreased sex and changes how men deal with women to get sex. So this is fascinating because when a majority of women are on the pill, this not only changes their behavior but also men's behavior as they are forced to adapt to this changed behavior.

I think it is a bad thing when women (or men for that matter) aren't behaving as God designed them to be. This has a lot of consequences for the rest of society. Even our current illegal immigration situation can be tied back to women going on the pill in the 60s and 70s and having less children as a result; creating an inverted demographic funnel.

Oldbear83 said:

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Strange.

There is strong evidence that women who have abortions are often less happy in their long-term relationships.

Also strong evidence that fatherless children grow up with serious and permanent problems.

A reasonable person would look at those two data points and conclude that helping hetero couples find stable, loving relationships is the best plan for happiness and prosperity for all persons involved including the children, yet some still cling to the idea that abortion is a good thing and/or that men are not essential to a happy home.

And let's not forget the men who follow role 'models' in sports and celebrity who don't meet their duties as committed partners, fathers and heads of households. Such men should be shamed, not praised.

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I was referring to contraception, not abortion. But, if you're going there, I generally agree with what you said. Strange.

Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Contraception is completely antithetical to Christian morality. It's among the root causes of the West's current crisis by way of countless societal ills (fatherless homes, generational poverty, population decline, etc.).

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Not by a long shot. Contraception is one way to prevent to prevent fatherless homes and poverty.

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The evidence of objective reality suggests otherwise.

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Not by a long shot.

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But contraception has little to do with fatherless. America has never had more fatherless homes than now and that increase began right around the time of mass co contraception.

So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

We ran the experiment and it didn't work

PS

Less poverty is debatable. Would be increasing to see some studies and see if contraception has any real effect on poverty rates.

Economic development, capitalism, and technological innovation lead to less poverty. I doubt having less kids has much of an effect. And long term less kids is not usually good for the economy (aging & declining population leads to less development, innovation, workers/consumers and more economic stagnation)


% of fatherless in America by decade:

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Quote:

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So correlation is not necessarily causation…but it does blow the theory out the window that more contraception leads to less fatherless.

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You're right, correlation does not automatically equal causation. It does point to how much worse fatherless homes would be without contraception..

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And we had LESS fatherless homes before contraception was available.

So we can blow out your theory that somehow the pill is helping things.

We went from around 10% of kids being born out of wedlock…to 30%-40% today

(70% in the Black community)

The pill did little to nothing to stop that…in fact it might have accelerated the effect since many people think contraceptives are totally preventative (something that is not true) and thus radically increased their risky sexual activity.

The pill ushered in the age cheap and commitment-less sex. Marriage rates collapsed right after the pill came on the scene.

The pill did little else to actually help society.

And now we know that the mass use of it among married couples might be bringing on a demographic crisis and economic collapse

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Without contraception, it would likely be worse. People are having children out of wedlock, often choosing single parenting, for various reasons. Another issue is people often don't use available contraception for a host of reasons. One thing for sure, you're not likely to conceive if you properly use contraception. No conception no father.

If you want to eliminate the problems of fatherless children, cracking down on males who impregnate women and then disappear should be on the table. Our child support penalties and enforcement are a joke.

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I've been doing some recent reading on the effect of the pill on women. An author who is neither pro/anti the pill mentions several things that have changed for such women.

1. It changes the hormones of women which in turn changes their behavior. How this plays out is harder to quantify but one woman described as going of the pill as seeing the richness of color come back into her life. She suddenly cared more about how she looked and was attracted to certain men more. Think about what this means as the majority of women are on birth control. In 20152017, 64.9% of the 72.2 million women aged 1549 in the United States were currently using contraception.

2. It reduces the cortisol spike a natural woman would get with regard to danger or excitement. For example, a woman on the pill won't perceive the same level of risk to say a snake as a natural woman would. This means they aren't perceiving risk as they naturally should.

3. Women who are on the pill don't have the oxytocin release that a natural woman would have after having sex with their boyfriend/husband. This is important for bonding to your spouse. Their are studies were women on the pill don't light up at a picture of their husband and instead perceive him at the same level as as stranger. For a woman not on the pill, they light up at the sight of their husband because of the oxytocin effect. There are also plenty of examples where a woman gets off the pill and is no longer interested in her husband who she met while on the pill or starts to have affairs because she is no longer into him off the pill.

4. Women on the pill often see a decreased desire in sex. This has an effect on men who then are getting decreased sex and changes how men deal with women to get sex. So this is fascinating because when a majority of women are on the pill, this not only changes their behavior but also men's behavior as they are forced to adapt to this changed behavior.

I think it is a bad thing when women (or men for that matter) aren't behaving as God designed them to be. This has a lot of consequences for the rest of society. Even our current illegal immigration situation can be tied back to women going on the pill in the 60s and 70s and having less children as a result; creating an inverted demographic funnel.

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Who is the author?

TexasScientist said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I've been doing some recent reading on the effect of the pill on women. An author who is neither pro/anti the pill mentions several things that have changed for such women.

1. It changes the hormones of women which in turn changes their behavior. How this plays out is harder to quantify but one woman described as going of the pill as seeing the richness of color come back into her life. She suddenly cared more about how she looked and was attracted to certain men more. Think about what this means as the majority of women are on birth control. In 20152017, 64.9% of the 72.2 million women aged 1549 in the United States were currently using contraception.

2. It reduces the cortisol spike a natural woman would get with regard to danger or excitement. For example, a woman on the pill won't perceive the same level of risk to say a snake as a natural woman would. This means they aren't perceiving risk as they naturally should.

3. Women who are on the pill don't have the oxytocin release that a natural woman would have after having sex with their boyfriend/husband. This is important for bonding to your spouse. Their are studies were women on the pill don't light up at a picture of their husband and instead perceive him at the same level as as stranger. For a woman not on the pill, they light up at the sight of their husband because of the oxytocin effect. There are also plenty of examples where a woman gets off the pill and is no longer interested in her husband who she met while on the pill or starts to have affairs because she is no longer into him off the pill.

4. Women on the pill often see a decreased desire in sex. This has an effect on men who then are getting decreased sex and changes how men deal with women to get sex. So this is fascinating because when a majority of women are on the pill, this not only changes their behavior but also men's behavior as they are forced to adapt to this changed behavior.

I think it is a bad thing when women (or men for that matter) aren't behaving as God designed them to be. This has a lot of consequences for the rest of society. Even our current illegal immigration situation can be tied back to women going on the pill in the 60s and 70s and having less children as a result; creating an inverted demographic funnel.

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Who is the author?

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Sarah E. Hill, Ph.D

I assume that your statements about the pill do not apply to other means of contraception (eg condoms, IUDs, devices, vasectomy, tubes tied)

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TexasScientist said:

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BaylorFTW said:

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I've been doing some recent reading on the effect of the pill on women. An author who is neither pro/anti the pill mentions several things that have changed for such women.

1. It changes the hormones of women which in turn changes their behavior. How this plays out is harder to quantify but one woman described as going of the pill as seeing the richness of color come back into her life. She suddenly cared more about how she looked and was attracted to certain men more. Think about what this means as the majority of women are on birth control. In 20152017, 64.9% of the 72.2 million women aged 1549 in the United States were currently using contraception.

2. It reduces the cortisol spike a natural woman would get with regard to danger or excitement. For example, a woman on the pill won't perceive the same level of risk to say a snake as a natural woman would. This means they aren't perceiving risk as they naturally should.

3. Women who are on the pill don't have the oxytocin release that a natural woman would have after having sex with their boyfriend/husband. This is important for bonding to your spouse. Their are studies were women on the pill don't light up at a picture of their husband and instead perceive him at the same level as as stranger. For a woman not on the pill, they light up at the sight of their husband because of the oxytocin effect. There are also plenty of examples where a woman gets off the pill and is no longer interested in her husband who she met while on the pill or starts to have affairs because she is no longer into him off the pill.

4. Women on the pill often see a decreased desire in sex. This has an effect on men who then are getting decreased sex and changes how men deal with women to get sex. So this is fascinating because when a majority of women are on the pill, this not only changes their behavior but also men's behavior as they are forced to adapt to this changed behavior.

I think it is a bad thing when women (or men for that matter) aren't behaving as God designed them to be. This has a lot of consequences for the rest of society. Even our current illegal immigration situation can be tied back to women going on the pill in the 60s and 70s and having less children as a result; creating an inverted demographic funnel.

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Who is the author?

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Sarah E. Hill, Ph.D

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Her work looks interesting. I've known for years that the pill has significant side effects. Anytime you manipulate hormones, you're asking for trouble.