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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 5:25p, 4/16/26

LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
BaylorHistory said:
Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

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Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 6:01p, 4/16/26

LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

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In reply to Osodecentx • 6:23p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

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In reply to Johnny Bear • 6:26p, 4/16/26

Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
BaylorHistory said:
Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

Quote:
Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race beating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

When civil rights was about civil rights, there were a lot of great speeches. When it became a money grab they got ridiculous.

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In reply to BaylorHistory • 6:26p, 4/16/26

BaylorHistory said:
Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

Quote:
Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

If BU is claiming to be "intentionally Christian", then the sexuality arguments based on Constitutional rights are moot, being grounded in Scripture and not cultural interpretations. This would never have seen the light of day or discussions under Brooks, White, Abner or Herb, to their credit, integrity and strength of conviction. Add courage here, also, to stand against the cultural blackmail currently in vogue.

That got jettisoned with the focus on R1/Tier 1 status. Sloan's Vision 2010/2012 is noble endeavor but not at the expense of Baylor's historical commitments to faith, a price too high for integrity's sake but one we were willing to pay for a rep and influence in the academy. But here we are with 17% Level of Baptists in the student body and a community divided over what it means to be a Christian university, much less one of historical Baptist tenants. It seems evident that leadership lacks either courage of convictions in terms of faith or the intestinal fortitude to stand against a culturally-modified faith. Dylan was right: The times they are a' hanging due to an unstable foundation.

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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 6:34p, 4/16/26

LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

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6:43p, 4/16/26

Proud of Baylor and Linda Livingstone in allowing different views to be expressed.

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In reply to Midnight Rider • 6:52p, 4/16/26

Midnight Rider said:
Proud of Baylor and Linda Livingstone in allowing different views to be expressed.

a person who will not stand for something will fall for anything.

I'm a Bearbacker

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In reply to Osodecentx • 6:59p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

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In reply to 4th and Inches • 7:12p, 4/16/26

4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?
of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:20p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:20p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

Absolutely!
I don't think he asked the woman caught in the act of adultery to explain why her lifestyle was right

I don't think he asked the tax collectors to teach everyone how to pilfer money.

I could be wrong. Maybe Christ had someone read from Moloch's book of worship in the synagogue.

What do you think?

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In reply to 4th and Inches • 7:26p, 4/16/26

4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?
of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Yes, while showing love and acceptance of them as people, he would also admonish them to repent and stop committing what the scriptures clearly identify as sin. Likewise, Christ's church is supposed to accept and show love to sinners (which is ALL of us, by the way) while simultaneously being lovers and spreaders of the truth, including the truth about the destructive nature of sin.

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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 7:31p, 4/16/26

EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Through His Word.

It's the same Word that speaks of love, justice, and truth.

The same Word that says, " That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."

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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 7:31p, 4/16/26

EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Holy Spirit

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In reply to Osodecentx • 7:37p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Holy Spirit

Are we not told to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading and spread His word?

I am sure you are not suggesting the rocks cry out in place of those who believe?

We may not be the ones who finally convict the unrepentant sinner, but aren't we to be examples in word and deed? Why have missions and missionaries?

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In reply to EatMoreSalmon • 7:52p, 4/16/26

EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Holy Spirit

Are we not told to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading and spread His word?

I am sure you are not suggesting the rocks cry out in place of those who believe?

We may not be the ones who finally convict the unrepentant sinner, but aren't we to be examples in word and deed? Why have missions and missionaries?

I am saying you're not the HS

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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 7:57p, 4/16/26

LIB,MR BEARS said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Through His Word.

It's the same Word that speaks of love, justice, and truth.

The same Word that says, " That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."

That is certainly one important way. Another important way is through heart felt promptings from the Holy Spirit - often referred to as "the still, small voice". Other ways can include dreams, visions, and even in rare cases an audible voice (thus far I haven't personally experienced the last two).

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In reply to Johnny Bear • 8:01p, 4/16/26

Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Through His Word.

It's the same Word that speaks of love, justice, and truth.

The same Word that says, " That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."

That is certainly one important way. Another important way is through heart felt promptings from the Holy Spirit - often referred to as "the still, small voice". Other ways can include dreams, visions, and even in rare cases an audible voice (thus far I haven't personally experienced the last two).

Do you suppose "the still, small voice" contradicts scripture?

If "heart-felt promptings" are in contradiction to scripture, are they from the Holy Spirit?

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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:03p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Holy Spirit

Are we not told to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading and spread His word?

I am sure you are not suggesting the rocks cry out in place of those who believe?

We may not be the ones who finally convict the unrepentant sinner, but aren't we to be examples in word and deed? Why have missions and missionaries?

I am saying you're not the HS

Neither, as it happens, is the well-dressed pointy-hat dude in Rome.

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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:17p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

After he healed them.

Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 8:18p, 4/16/26

LIB,MR BEARS said:
Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Through His Word.

It's the same Word that speaks of love, justice, and truth.

The same Word that says, " That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."

That is certainly one important way. Another important way is through heart felt promptings from the Holy Spirit - often referred to as "the still, small voice". Other ways can include dreams, visions, and even in rare cases an audible voice (thus far I haven't personally experienced the last two).

Do you suppose "the still, small voice" contradicts scripture?

If "heart-felt promptings" are in contradiction to scripture, are they from the Holy Spirit?

Good questions, because it's true temptations often come in the form of still small voice type promptings. The answer is if it contradicts scripture that's the best way to know that it's not from the Holy Spirit. And it's also a huge reason why it's important to be informed about Biblical scripture.

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In reply to Osodecentx • 8:27p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?
of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.
Revelation 3:19

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In reply to 4th and Inches • 8:52p, 4/16/26

4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?
of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.
Revelation 3:19

You rebuke or HS?

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In reply to Osodecentx • 9:00p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Holy Spirit

Are we not told to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading and spread His word?

I am sure you are not suggesting the rocks cry out in place of those who believe?

We may not be the ones who finally convict the unrepentant sinner, but aren't we to be examples in word and deed? Why have missions and missionaries?

I am saying you're not the HS

you are being a room temp Christian who doesnt want to be accused of judging.

Have you read Acts? I dont think I readin the written word where the apostles were just chilling and letting everybody live their best life while waiting for the Holy Spirit to teach the good news and wait for people to repent in their own time..

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In reply to Johnny Bear • 9:04p, 4/16/26

Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Through His Word.

It's the same Word that speaks of love, justice, and truth.

The same Word that says, " That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."

That is certainly one important way. Another important way is through heart felt promptings from the Holy Spirit - often referred to as "the still, small voice". Other ways can include dreams, visions, and even in rare cases an audible voice (thus far I haven't personally experienced the last two).

Do you suppose "the still, small voice" contradicts scripture?

If "heart-felt promptings" are in contradiction to scripture, are they from the Holy Spirit?

Good questions, because it's true temptations often come in the form of still small voice type promptings. The answer is if it contradicts scripture that's the best way to know that it's not from the Holy Spirit. And it's also a huge reason why it's important to be informed about Biblical scripture.

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In reply to Osodecentx • 9:04p, 4/16/26

Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?
of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.
Revelation 3:19

You rebuke or HS?

1 Timothy 5:20
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

Titus 2:15
Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

Have you ever read the bible or are you just sermon rich?

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In reply to Johnny Bear • 9:09p, 4/16/26

Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
EatMoreSalmon said:
Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

How does Christ speak to sinners today?

Through His Word.

It's the same Word that speaks of love, justice, and truth.

The same Word that says, " That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh."

That is certainly one important way. Another important way is through heart felt promptings from the Holy Spirit - often referred to as "the still, small voice". Other ways can include dreams, visions, and even in rare cases an audible voice (thus far I haven't personally experienced the last two).

Do you suppose "the still, small voice" contradicts scripture?

If "heart-felt promptings" are in contradiction to scripture, are they from the Holy Spirit?

Good questions, because it's true temptations often come in the form of still small voice type promptings. The answer is if it contradicts scripture that's the best way to know that it's not from the Holy Spirit. And it's also a huge reason why it's important to be informed about Biblical scripture.

modern western Christianity is sermon rich and scripture poor. A half hour a week about who knows what at the sunday morning country club..

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9:13p, 4/16/26

"How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?"

" I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase."

The Holy Spirit uses those who share The truth

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In reply to Osodecentx • 12:20a, 4/17/26

Osodecentx said:
4th and Inches said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
Osodecentx said:
Waco1947 said:
Space Cutter said:
Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

Would Christ break bread with LGBT?
of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

Sure
Let Christ tell them

Lol, he's told them through scripture and he he continues to tell them through scripture and believers.

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In reply to Johnny Bear • 6:42a, 4/17/26

Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
BaylorHistory said:
Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

Quote:
Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

“It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.” ~ Upton Sinclair

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In reply to TexasScientist • 6:49a, 4/17/26

TexasScientist said:
Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
BaylorHistory said:
Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

Quote:
Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

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In reply to LIB,MR BEARS • 7:06a, 4/17/26

LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
BaylorHistory said:
Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

Quote:
Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

My point was sarcasm at 83's comment. He didn't think prior to 86 Baylor would allow a controversial or left leaning "non-aligned" person speak at Baylor, and that clearly wasn't true.

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In reply to TexasScientist • 8:12a, 4/17/26

TexasScientist said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
Johnny Bear said:
LIB,MR BEARS said:
TexasScientist said:
Oldbear83 said:
BaylorHistory said:
Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

Quote:
Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

My point was sarcasm at 83's comment. He didn't think prior to 86 Baylor would allow a controversial or left leaning "non-aligned" person speak at Baylor, and that clearly wasn't true.

Again, I was there. Upfront I didn't know what to expect but I objectively listened. As Lib posted he said nothing contrary to scripture, plus there was no playing the race or victim card. He challenged the black community to be fully responsible for taking advantage of all the opportunities they have in America and challenged the white community to not impede or stop them (agree with all of that). Didn't sound at all like a "left leaning controversial figure" back then. Granted he subsequently changed but at the time I heard nothing offensive or contrary to BU's mission statement and what I heard that day was fine.

And if people were "walking out" in any kind of noticeable numbers I didn't see it.

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In reply to Danielsjackson114 • 8:16a, 4/17/26

Danielsjackson114 said:
Linda Livingstone has quietly destroyed every aspect of the Baylor we knew..

But our athletic brand and academic reputation are doing better than ever. Right?

"Smarter than the Average Bear."

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