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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

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Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

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Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

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In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

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I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

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Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

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of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

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Sure
Let Christ tell them

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Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest and repent.
Revelation 3:19

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You rebuke or HS?

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1 Timothy 5:20
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

Titus 2:15
Declare these things; exhort and rebuke with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

Have you ever read the bible or are you just sermon rich?

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I'd rather see a sermon than hear one

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Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

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Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

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Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

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I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

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Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

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Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

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I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

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It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

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He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

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My point was sarcasm at 83's comment. He didn't think prior to 86 Baylor would allow a controversial or left leaning "non-aligned" person speak at Baylor, and that clearly wasn't true.

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Since that's not what I wrote, that's your filter speaking.

What I said was that Baylor had a solid standard in place for a very long time, using their creed and history to weigh these sorts of decisions. The Jackson visit proves that standard was fair and unbiased. The problem now is that the school looks for secular optics first, and the Christian mission is damaged because Linda and her crew prefer media approval.

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I fear you are correct and have had that conviction for some time.

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Linda Livingstone has quietly destroyed every aspect of the Baylor we knew..

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Are you afraid of what will be said?

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nah, we are all cool with satan promoting sin at a bible college

Matthew 6:24. "No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money."

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You fear the spoken word

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I fear nothing but the one true God in Heaven

Speak all you want, accept all the sin you want.. I will rebuke you for it and if you are unhospitable, I dust my sandals off..

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Read a little more about the disciples and their mission.

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expand..

I give you the floor to make your case

I could explain that you potentially break all 10 of the 10 Commandments just during the act of self pleasure. Let's not even get started on what happens when you involve two people.

God is the Father, Jesus is the truth.. not my truth or your truth but the truth. Compromised interpretation of scripture to make people feel good is sin.

Those who bring others to sin are to be harshly punished. Those who stand by and watch others sin without rebuke are guilty of the same sin.

The biblical law of first mentions clearly designate that intimacy is between one man and one woman in the covenant of marriage.

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am excited to elaborate on a separate post titled "Homoerotic Behavior and Heterotic Behavior." I encourage you to research these terms, as they reflect what Paul described and resonate with my own experiences. Understanding these concepts can deepen our conversation and insight into these behaviors.
Other concepts to explore include power dynamics in sexual behavior. Injustice in human power relationships reflects the brokenness of our relationships with God and each other. Homoerotic and heteroerotic conduct was often perceived as inherently involving one person's exploitation of another.

In your response to me, remember what Paul Romans !:28 And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to an unfit mind and to do things that should not be done. 29 They were filled with every kind of injustice, evil, covetousness, and malice. Full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, craftiness, they are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, rebellious toward parents, 31 foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless.

So remember Paul's advice to avoid harboring malice, strife, insolence, haughtiness, and boastfulness toward me, as it constitutes an injustice. And I am opening myself up to attack. 4th you have asked a fair request. Thank you

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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

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Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

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Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

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In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

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I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

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Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

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of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

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Sure
Let Christ tell them

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How does Christ speak to sinners today?

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Holy Spirit

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Are we not told to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading and spread His word?

I am sure you are not suggesting the rocks cry out in place of those who believe?

We may not be the ones who finally convict the unrepentant sinner, but aren't we to be examples in word and deed? Why have missions and missionaries?

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I am saying you're not the HS

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Why say something I have not claimed?
Why do we have missionaries?

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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

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Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

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I'm sorry but that decision was made when they applied to Baylor.

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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

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Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

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Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

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In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

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I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

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Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

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of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

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Sure
Let Christ tell them

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How does Christ speak to sinners today?

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Holy Spirit

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Are we not told to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading and spread His word?

I am sure you are not suggesting the rocks cry out in place of those who believe?

We may not be the ones who finally convict the unrepentant sinner, but aren't we to be examples in word and deed? Why have missions and missionaries?

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I am saying you're not the HS

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Why say something I have not claimed?
Why do we have missionaries?

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You aspire to office of junior HS,

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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

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Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

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I'm sorry but that decision was made when they applied to Baylor.

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I don't want to misinterpret your words. Please expand on your sentence; I'm sorry but that decision was made when they applied to Baylor.

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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

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Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

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Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

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In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

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I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

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Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

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of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

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Sure
Let Christ tell them

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How does Christ speak to sinners today?

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Holy Spirit

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Are we not told to listen to the Holy Spirit's leading and spread His word?

I am sure you are not suggesting the rocks cry out in place of those who believe?

We may not be the ones who finally convict the unrepentant sinner, but aren't we to be examples in word and deed? Why have missions and missionaries?

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I am saying you're not the HS

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Why say something I have not claimed?
Why do we have missionaries?

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You aspire to office of junior HS,

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I see a comma at the end of your sentence. I hope this post was in error.

Are you led by the Holy Spirit to help guide others to Christ by speaking to them? Should Paul not have spoken to the Athenians? If we all choose not to speak, are we leaving the Holy Spirit's leading to those who speak ill of Christ?

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Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

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Operative words there are "a structured environment.

That is not really what Baylor is allowing with competing rallies on the same day. That is asking for open conflict.

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Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

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Operative words there are "a structured environment.

That is not really what Baylor is allowing with competing rallies on the same day. That is asking for open conflict.

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Bingo

One gets the feeling Baylor really does not want to embrace conservative viewpoints (but fears that fact getting out…would hurt enrollment & donations)

While it really wants to embrace progressive viewpoints (but wants to manage how that is seen by the outside. Let academia know Baylor is onboard. But have deniability before the students & alumni)

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive"

PS

This kind of double talk goes on all over academia..

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Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

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Operative words there are "a structured environment.

That is not really what Baylor is allowing with competing rallies on the same day. That is asking for open conflict.

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Gods plan is structure, Satan spreads deceit, distraction, amd discord

Test every situation.

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Why not allow Baylor students an opportunity within a fairly structured environment where they can be exposed to the arguments/ opinions of the issue and listen to the give and take? Otherwise they graduate and go out in the world not having had the opportunity to process the arguments within a Christian environment.and be more open to misinformation.

Isn't a purpose of a college education is to learn how to think/process information rather than what to think?

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Why host the rival-oppositional rally on the same day?

Allowing a different rally with a different view the next week would allow the debate for students you claim to be interested in. This seems more like Baylor attempting to let world know it does not condone conservative viewpoints and worldviews. They can't have a single day/single event on campus without opposition (facilitated by Baylor leadership)

And an another question is…did Baylor leadership take this same approach when they went full court press in support of all things BLM?

I don't remember any oppositional or contrary opinions being given support or venues by the leadership to present kids on campus with a different view point.

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This.

I mean it is clear as day to anyone paying attention.

But the typical progressives and the fake conservatives cannot help but lick up their vomit and defend it.

Student enrollment collapse is coming across the country

Hope Baylor is ready for it.

And I guess we need to hope that woke Christian school is a selling point for the diminishing number of students enrolling in college in the future

I don’t think people have fully absorbed just how big the declines in student enrollment are going to be.

Eight states are projected to experience DOUBLE DIGIT declines by 2031. pic.twitter.com/3niwwEt5qW

— Marc Porter Magee 🎓 (@marcportermagee) April 18, 2026

Yep sad times

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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

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Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

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Christ should have let the people of Jerusalem make up their on minds by giving the Pharisees equal time. Instead, he called the wolves in sheep's clothing.

Assuming God hears your prayers, you should tell him how he had it wrong.

/s

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In the TPUSA issue at Baylor, please tell me who the wolves& pharisees are

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I'm not saying either one are the Pharisees but, I'm certainly illustrating that one's stated position is opposed to scripture.

I don't remember Christ going out of his way before crowds asking for the opposing Jew to be stated.

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with love? Absolutely!

Did Christ show everyone He came in contact with the truth? Absolutely!

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Would Christ break bread with LGBT?

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of course, the church is a hospital for sinners.

Would Christ tell the sinners to repent?

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Sure
Let Christ tell them

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Titus 2:15
These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

2 Timothy 4:2
preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction.

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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Let's throw Mammon in there, too.

Oops.........too late.

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Turning PointUSA is having an event at Baylor on April 22. So what does Baylor leadership do?

Well of course they allow a gay group to have an event ON BAYLOR CAMPUS so both sides can voice their ideas. So a PRIVATE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY leadership believes they should counter a Christian organization in TurningPoint with non Biblical teachings of homosexuality. So much for standing firm on God's Word.

Real leadership would be to tell the homosexual group to have their event but not on Baylor campus! Affirm the true word of Jesus Christ. Do not allow worship of Baal, Ashura, or Mollech.

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Turning Point is not a theological group and a political one. The gay group is political too. Apparently, Baylor thinks college students may be too stupid to entertain ideas or make up their minds.

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Baylor is letting both sides speak so students can make up their minds

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I'm sorry but that decision was made when they applied to Baylor.

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I don't want to misinterpret your words. Please expand on your sentence; I'm sorry but that decision was made when they applied to Baylor.

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Sounds to me like they gave up expectation of free thought upon application for enrollment.

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Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

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Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

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Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

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I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

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Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

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Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

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I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

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It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

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He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

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My point was sarcasm at 83's comment. He didn't think prior to 86 Baylor would allow a controversial or left leaning "non-aligned" person speak at Baylor, and that clearly wasn't true.

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Since that's not what I wrote, that's your filter speaking.

What I said was that Baylor had a solid standard in place for a very long time, using their creed and history to weigh these sorts of decisions. The Jackson visit proves that standard was fair and unbiased. The problem now is that the school looks for secular optics first, and the Christian mission is damaged because Linda and her crew prefer media approval.

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I don't see where you said that. I think you said: "I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment."

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Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

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Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

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Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

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I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

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Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

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Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

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I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

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It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

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He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

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My point was sarcasm at 83's comment. He didn't think prior to 86 Baylor would allow a controversial or left leaning "non-aligned" person speak at Baylor, and that clearly wasn't true.

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Again, I was there. Upfront I didn't know what to expect but I objectively listened. As Lib posted he said nothing contrary to scripture, plus there was no playing the race or victim card. He challenged the black community to be fully responsible for taking advantage of all the opportunities they have in America and challenged the white community to not impede or stop them (agree with all of that). Didn't sound at all like a "left leaning controversial figure" back then. Granted he subsequently changed but at the time I heard nothing offensive or contrary to BU's mission statement and what I heard that day was fine.

And if people were "walking out" in any kind of noticeable numbers I didn't see it. Then try the 60's for walking out. Shoot George Wallace tried to shut down a whole university.

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Baylor didn't sell out by allowing speakers on campus

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No they sell out for other reasons.

But the timing of this is the issue. If the gays want a day to gay it up, so be it. But BU doesn't need the potential violent conflict that liberals tend to bring with them when the liberals here opposing views.

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Johnny Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

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Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

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Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

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I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

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Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

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Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

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I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

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It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

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He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

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My point was sarcasm at 83's comment. He didn't think prior to 86 Baylor would allow a controversial or left leaning "non-aligned" person speak at Baylor, and that clearly wasn't true.

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Again, I was there. Upfront I didn't know what to expect but I objectively listened. As Lib posted he said nothing contrary to scripture, plus there was no playing the race or victim card. He challenged the black community to be fully responsible for taking advantage of all the opportunities they have in America and challenged the white community to not impede or stop them (agree with all of that). Didn't sound at all like a "left leaning controversial figure" back then. Granted he subsequently changed but at the time I heard nothing offensive or contrary to BU's mission statement and what I heard that day was fine.

And if people were "walking out" in any kind of noticeable numbers I didn't see it. Then try the 60's for walking out. Shoot George Wallace tried to shut down a whole university.

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What George Wallace did in Alabama in the early 60's has absolutely nothing to do with Jesse Jackson's appearance on the Baylor campus more than a decade after that.

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Johnny Bear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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TexasScientist said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Johnny Bear said:

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LIB,MR BEARS said:

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TexasScientist said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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BaylorHistory said:

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Personally believe in the UChicago model that they expressed in 2014 (and have had for >100 years) when there were people that were upset that it was allowing people on campus that would remove their "safe space" experience.

Quote:

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Education should not be intended to make people comfortable, it is meant to make them think. Universities should be expected to provide the conditions within which hard thought, and therefore strong disagreement, independent judgment, and the questioning of stubborn assumptions, can flourish in an environment of the greatest freedom."

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Obviously, Baylor as a private institution can do what they want, but Chicago's method seems to be the point of an institute of higher learning existing.

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I'd suggest that Baylor 1836-1986 set a good example for how the university should treat requests from special-interest groups. Some align with the traditional values, some oppose them, and the school should act according to that alignment.

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Yeah, like alignment back in the good old days when Jesse Jackson was invited to speak at Chapel.

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Nothing wrong with that.

JJJr spoke of justice which is also spoken of frequently in scripture.

Justice aligns well with Baylor's stated mission.

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I attended that lecture in the 70's as a BU student. The Jesse Jackson of those days is not at all comparable to the Jesse Jackson of subsequent decades, after he sadly discovered how lucrative being a race bating shakedown artist could be. Both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump would have probably agreed with the speech he gave back then.

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It's my understanding people walked out and took double cuts. My point is Baylor wasn't that much different prior to 1986, they invited him to speak and gave him a forum.

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He had a good message that wasn't against Christian doctrine.

Face it, you didn't think it through and the point you were trying to make was weakened by the point you did make.

You failed

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My point was sarcasm at 83's comment. He didn't think prior to 86 Baylor would allow a controversial or left leaning "non-aligned" person speak at Baylor, and that clearly wasn't true.

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Again, I was there. Upfront I didn't know what to expect but I objectively listened. As Lib posted he said nothing contrary to scripture, plus there was no playing the race or victim card. He challenged the black community to be fully responsible for taking advantage of all the opportunities they have in America and challenged the white community to not impede or stop them (agree with all of that). Didn't sound at all like a "left leaning controversial figure" back then. Granted he subsequently changed but at the time I heard nothing offensive or contrary to BU's mission statement and what I heard that day was fine.

And if people were "walking out" in any kind of noticeable numbers I didn't see it. Then try the 60's for walking out. Shoot George Wallace tried to shut down a whole university.

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What George Wallace did in Alabama in the early 60's has absolutely nothing to do with Jesse Jackson's appearance on the Baylor campus more than a decade after that.

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Both go to academic freedom