As measles takes toll on kids anti-vaxxers have change of heart

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/as-measles-takes-toll-on-kids-anti-vaxxers-have-change-of-heart/ar-AA21iL9p


It was a tipping point for the 40-year-old stay-at-home mom who had grown up in a staunchly anti-vaccine, fundamentalist Christian community. "What are we doing? Why are we doing this?" she remembers thinking. "I wanted to protect my kids."

She took all six of them to get the measles, mumps and rubella shot. Then she posted an emotional TikTok aimed at the anti-vax crowd she used to be a part of: "You can change your mind," she said in the video that's been watched more than 422,000 times.

It's good her children weren't injured by the vaccine. She is one of the lucky ones.

Some, such as my family, aren't so lucky.

The MMR vaccine (measles, mumps, and rubella) is considered safe for the vast majority of children. Serious side effects are very rare. According to research and data from sources like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO), the likelihood of a child being harmed by the MMR vaccine is extremely low.
Here are some key points based on the available evidence:
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  • Common side effects: Mild reactions like fever, a rash, or temporary joint pain may occur, but these are typically short-lived and are not considered harmful in the long term.
  • Serious side effects: The risk of more serious side effects like an allergic reaction, seizures from fever, or a temporary drop in platelet count is very low. For example, the risk of having a severe allergic reaction is about 1 in 1 million doses.
  • Link to autism: Extensive studies have shown no connection between the MMR vaccine and autism. This myth originated from a now-discredited study published in 1998 by Andrew Wakefield, who was later found guilty of ethical violations. Multiple large-scale studies have confirmed that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism.
  • Risk vs. benefit: The benefits of the MMR vaccine in preventing measles, mumps, and rubella far outweigh the very small risk of side effects. These diseases can cause severe complications, including brain damage, hearing loss, and even death.
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    In summary, the percentage of kids harmed by the MMR vaccine is incredibly low. The vaccine's benefits in preventing serious diseases far exceed the risks of side effects.

    Like I said, some families, like my own, aren't so lucky. Some are harmed, permanently.

    but ya'll are so rare, you can be disregarded - Big Pharma

    Yeah, let's just get rid of all vaccines since one person might be harmed. Who gives a damn about the other millions that could suffer. Your logic is about as brain dead as you are.

    This is what you would call a straw man argument.

    Speaking of being brain dead, nobody has said "let's just get rid of all vaccines." Nobody. So let's dispense with that silly straw man argument.

    What I have suggested, Kennedy has suggested, and a lot of doctors have suggested, is let's take a look at our vaccine schedule to make sure it's not overdoing it. Let's make sure that the vaccines are as safe as they can be, fully tested. Let's make sure the exponential increase in vaccines since the mid-80s (and the exponential rise in childhood conditions) is not harming our children. Let's make sure all children are safe from the negative repercussions of vaccines. Let's make sure their bodies can take them.

    Had that been done, my oldest child's compromised immune system and genetic mutation would have been found, and he would not have contracted encephalitis and the resulting brain damage. If that had happened, he would not have gotten autism. He and many others like him.

    It's not just one child, but thousands that are injured like my son every year. So let's also stop pretending only one child suffered negative repercussions. While my son's was way worse than most, there are numerous documented vaccine injuries. These are undisputed facts.

    This is what I call a straw man argument. Thousands are not injured every year. That is a complete lie. The studies have been done over and over again and the vaccines are safe except in very rare circumstances and the benefits of vaccines far outweigh any potential negatives. Any decent scientist agrees with this too.

    What I find interesting is how you completely gloss over the fact what would have happened if your child caught MMR in the wild? You completely disregard how he might have reacted if he actually caught any of those diseases. It's possible his injuries could have been worse, but you discount that completely.

    It's actually called a fact. NIH says 3,152 vaccine injuries from 2003 to 2013 related to the MMR vaccine. That's just a ten year period. So, yes, it's in the thousands, like I said.

    If my child had caught measles, he probably would have been perfectly fine - just like the vast majority of children who catch it. What I do know is he likely would not have had permanent brain damage, and would not have to have foregone a normal life. Because of the MMR vaccine, he will never marry, and he will live with my wife and I until we die, at which point his brothers will hopefully take him in.

    Between the two, I would have taken my chances with measles any day of the week.

    Probably fine? Highly doubtful and not based in fact at all.

    And why do you keep lying about the numbers without telling the full story? I get it you want to blame someone but you are leaving out extremely relevant facts to bolster your argument. Stop doing that and give the full story.

    Here's what's actually going on:
    1) The number itself is (roughly) real
    There is a published paper (often hosted on NIH/PMC) analyzing reports to the VAERS system from 20032013. It found:
    • 3,175 reports of adverse events after the MMR vaccine in adults
    So your quoted figure of "~3,152" is basically in the same ballpark.

    2) But these are reports, not confirmed injuries
    This is the crucial part the statement gets wrong.
    The database used is VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System), which:
    • Accepts any report after vaccination, whether or not the vaccine caused it
    • Includes unverified, coincidental, or unrelated events
    • Is explicitly designed as a signal detection system, not proof of causation
    In other words, a VAERS report means:
    Quote:

    "Something happened after vaccination,"
    not
    "The vaccine caused it."


    3) Most reported events were minor
    From the same study:
    • Only about 5% were classified as serious
    • Common reports were things like:
      • fever
      • rash
      • pain
    Those are expected, generally mild reactions.

    4) The study's actual conclusion contradicts the claim
    The researchers explicitly concluded:
    • They "did not detect any new or unexpected safety concerns"
    That's the opposite of implying widespread harm.

    Bottom line
    • Factually correct: There were a few thousand reports in that time period.
    • Misleading claim: Calling them "vaccine injuries" implies confirmed causation, which is not what the data shows.
    A more accurate version would be:
    Quote:

    "There were ~3,000 reported adverse events in VAERS over 10 years, most of which were non-serious and not proven to be caused by the vaccine."

















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    Tempus Edax Rerum said:

    Mothra said:

    Tempus Edax Rerum said:

    Mothra said:

    Tempus Edax Rerum said:

    Mothra said:

    Tempus Edax Rerum said:

    LIB,MR BEARS said:

    Mothra said:

    Tempus Edax Rerum said:

    Mothra said:

    Osodecentx said:

    Tempus Edax Rerum said:

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/as-measles-takes-toll-on-kids-anti-vaxxers-have-change-of-heart/ar-AA21iL9p


    It was a tipping point for the 40-year-old stay-at-home mom who had grown up in a staunchly anti-vaccine, fundamentalist Christian community. "What are we doing? Why are we doing this?" she remembers thinking. "I wanted to protect my kids."

    She took all six of them to get the measles, mumps and rubella shot. Then she posted an emotional TikTok aimed at the anti-vax crowd she used to be a part of: "You can change your mind," she said in the video that's been watched more than 422,000 times.

    It's good her children weren't injured by the vaccine. She is one of the lucky ones.

    Some, such as my family, aren't so lucky.

    The MMR vaccine (measles, mumps, and rubella) is considered safe for the vast majority of children. Serious side effects are very rare. According to research and data from sources like the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO), the likelihood of a child being harmed by the MMR vaccine is extremely low.
    Here are some key points based on the available evidence:
    [ol]
  • Common side effects: Mild reactions like fever, a rash, or temporary joint pain may occur, but these are typically short-lived and are not considered harmful in the long term.
  • Serious side effects: The risk of more serious side effects like an allergic reaction, seizures from fever, or a temporary drop in platelet count is very low. For example, the risk of having a severe allergic reaction is about 1 in 1 million doses.
  • Link to autism: Extensive studies have shown no connection between the MMR vaccine and autism. This myth originated from a now-discredited study published in 1998 by Andrew Wakefield, who was later found guilty of ethical violations. Multiple large-scale studies have confirmed that the MMR vaccine does not cause autism.
  • Risk vs. benefit: The benefits of the MMR vaccine in preventing measles, mumps, and rubella far outweigh the very small risk of side effects. These diseases can cause severe complications, including brain damage, hearing loss, and even death.
  • [/ol]
    In summary, the percentage of kids harmed by the MMR vaccine is incredibly low. The vaccine's benefits in preventing serious diseases far exceed the risks of side effects.

    Like I said, some families, like my own, aren't so lucky. Some are harmed, permanently.

    but ya'll are so rare, you can be disregarded - Big Pharma

    Yeah, let's just get rid of all vaccines since one person might be harmed. Who gives a damn about the other millions that could suffer. Your logic is about as brain dead as you are.

    This is what you would call a straw man argument.

    Speaking of being brain dead, nobody has said "let's just get rid of all vaccines." Nobody. So let's dispense with that silly straw man argument.

    What I have suggested, Kennedy has suggested, and a lot of doctors have suggested, is let's take a look at our vaccine schedule to make sure it's not overdoing it. Let's make sure that the vaccines are as safe as they can be, fully tested. Let's make sure the exponential increase in vaccines since the mid-80s (and the exponential rise in childhood conditions) is not harming our children. Let's make sure all children are safe from the negative repercussions of vaccines. Let's make sure their bodies can take them.

    Had that been done, my oldest child's compromised immune system and genetic mutation would have been found, and he would not have contracted encephalitis and the resulting brain damage. If that had happened, he would not have gotten autism. He and many others like him.

    It's not just one child, but thousands that are injured like my son every year. So let's also stop pretending only one child suffered negative repercussions. While my son's was way worse than most, there are numerous documented vaccine injuries. These are undisputed facts.

    This is what I call a straw man argument. Thousands are not injured every year. That is a complete lie. The studies have been done over and over again and the vaccines are safe except in very rare circumstances and the benefits of vaccines far outweigh any potential negatives. Any decent scientist agrees with this too.

    What I find interesting is how you completely gloss over the fact what would have happened if your child caught MMR in the wild? You completely disregard how he might have reacted if he actually caught any of those diseases. It's possible his injuries could have been worse, but you discount that completely.

    It's actually called a fact. NIH says 3,152 vaccine injuries from 2003 to 2013 related to the MMR vaccine. That's just a ten year period. So, yes, it's in the thousands, like I said.

    If my child had caught measles, he probably would have been perfectly fine - just like the vast majority of children who catch it. What I do know is he likely would not have had permanent brain damage, and would not have to have foregone a normal life. Because of the MMR vaccine, he will never marry, and he will live with my wife and I until we die, at which point his brothers will hopefully take him in.

    Between the two, I would have taken my chances with measles any day of the week.

    Probably fine? Highly doubtful and not based in fact at all.

    And why do you keep lying about the numbers without telling the full story? I get it you want to blame someone but you are leaving out extremely relevant facts to bolster your argument. Stop doing that and give the full story.

    Here's what's actually going on:
    1) The number itself is (roughly) real
    There is a published paper (often hosted on NIH/PMC) analyzing reports to the VAERS system from 20032013. It found:
    • 3,175 reports of adverse events after the MMR vaccine in adults
    So your quoted figure of "~3,152" is basically in the same ballpark.

    2) But these are reports, not confirmed injuries
    This is the crucial part the statement gets wrong.
    The database used is VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System), which:
    • Accepts any report after vaccination, whether or not the vaccine caused it
    • Includes unverified, coincidental, or unrelated events
    • Is explicitly designed as a signal detection system, not proof of causation
    In other words, a VAERS report means:
    Quote:

    "Something happened after vaccination,"
    not
    "The vaccine caused it."


    3) Most reported events were minor
    From the same study:
    • Only about 5% were classified as serious
    • Common reports were things like:
      • fever
      • rash
      • pain
    Those are expected, generally mild reactions.

    4) The study's actual conclusion contradicts the claim
    The researchers explicitly concluded:
    • They "did not detect any new or unexpected safety concerns"
    That's the opposite of implying widespread harm.

    Bottom line
    • Factually correct: There were a few thousand reports in that time period.
    • Misleading claim: Calling them "vaccine injuries" implies confirmed causation, which is not what the data shows.
    A more accurate version would be:
    Quote:

    "There were ~3,000 reported adverse events in VAERS over 10 years, most of which were non-serious and not proven to be caused by the vaccine."

















    Not interested in your AI garbage.

    yeah, unless it supports your opinion. Truth hurts.


    You don't have an original thought. AI says what you wanted to say. If I wanted to do a retort with AI certainly could. But I don't lack the ability to speak cogently as you do.

    Your AI drivel focus largely on issues I didn't raise and were completely irrelevant to my point. All of the facts stated in my post were True and your AI garbage didn't refute those. That I give you an E for effort. It must be hard to type all of that into ChatGPT.
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