Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

Yet you keep repeating the "1600 years after the fact" lie over and over and over. What's even worse is that you've convinced yourself to believe it. You are literally closing your eyes, plugging your ears, and yelling "la, la, la, I can't hear you!" It really is embarassing to behold.

People with the Holy Spirit and who are in the truth don't do this. There is something really, really wrong here, if you guys say you're true Christians.

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Zero doubt in my mind that if Jesus came back tomorrow and picked up where he left off, 3/4 of the RNP board would declare him a weak on crime socialist with TDS,

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This is the Religious Post of the Year...

I will throw in SicEm... The Catholic Church. The SBC. The Lutherans. Did I leave anyone out.

Given the choice of following Paul or Christ, they would choose Paul.

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

How long was Judaism around before Christ started correcting the errors of the priests, scribes and pharisees?

I thought he wrote that about cannibalism.

Paul was a Christian. Not sure how you confused yourself on that point.

I would say least 1500 years back to Abraham. That's ballpark; I'm unsure of the actual span.

Paul's rules are much different than what Jesus said in the Gospels. We, modern Christians, follow more of Paul's day to day rules than Jesus's.



It is a commonly argued position. Not unique to me.

Do we live the Apostles message or Paul the Romans?

For discussion, I am not saying it is correct. But, as you know Paul is not one of my favorites. Always telling us what to do, asking for money...








Jesus vs. Paul - doctrine.org

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Paul was a Christian. Not sure how you confused yourself on that point.

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also points back to Christ aggressively in his writings

Paul was also instructed to preach to the gentiles, not the Jews.

So there are different rules? That sounds very Jesus-like... : )

Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

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What an absolute shock you think that.

Do you really think people put any weight in what you say?

Augustine was saying it was not cannabalism. He is confirming the real presence. You misinterpreted.

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Augustine was saying it was not cannabalism. He is confirming the real presence. You misinterpreted.

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I didn't say that Augustine didn't think it was the "real presence". I said that he said it was figurative/symbolic.

You misinterpreted me.

Oldbear83 said:

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How long was Judaism around before Christ started correcting the errors of the priests, scribes and pharisees?

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Luther and his progeny aren't Christ.

Oldbear83 said:

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Paul was a Christian. Not sure how you confused yourself on that point.

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True.

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So there are different rules? That sounds very Jesus-like... : )

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Jesus wept for Jerusalem, expressing sorrow over its people's rejection of Him and the impending destruction they would face (Luke 19:41-44). This moment highlights His compassion and lament for those who missed the opportunity for peace.

Luke 7:50
And He said to the woman, "Your faith has saved you; go in peace." It doesnt say to be sure and hit up the local church for the bread and cup on sunday..

John 3:15
so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

John 5:24
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

The post resurrection Jesus taught Paul..

Paul was uniquely qualified because he was trained as Pharisees and was also a Roman citizen in knew Greek literature.

His teachings confirmed in 1 Peter 3:15

What Jesus taught that was written in the 4 gospels and what Jesus taught that was written by Paul is all Jesus

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

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What an absolute shock you think that.

Do you really think people put any weight in what you say?

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I have no idea. Just stating the facts.

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So there are different rules? That sounds very Jesus-like... : )

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There's no opposition between Paul and Jesus.

FLBear5630 said:

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Paul's rules are much different than what Jesus said in the Gospels. We, modern Christians, follow more of Paul's day to day rules than Jesus's.



It is a commonly argued position. Not unique to me.

Do we live the Apostles message or Paul the Romans?

For discussion, I am not saying it is correct. But, as you know Paul is not one of my favorites. Always telling us what to do, asking for money...








Jesus vs. Paul - doctrine.org

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It's because you guys don't understand what really happened in the Gospels.

Jesus came only for the Jews first. He came to become their Messiah and literal, physical, earthly king. The Law would still apply (because Jesus hadn't died for sin). But the Jews rejected him, and killed him. But that was God's plan all along - Satan killing Jesus resulted in Jesus' sacrfice paying for all sins, which allowed the offer of the kingdom to be extended to all people (Gentiles) who believe, not just Jews, in a kingdom where the Law was no longer in effect because Jesus fulfilled it (law of grace). It was a secret that Satan and his evil forces didn't know about (I Corinthians 2:7-8)

Jesus sent his apostles, namely Paul, to give the offer of the kingdom to the Gentiles - by GRACE. That's why Paul's message is different from Jesus'. Jesus' message to the Jews was BEFORE he was crucified. Jesus' death and resurrection changed things afterwards.

Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

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What an absolute shock you think that.

Do you really think people put any weight in what you say?

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I have no idea. Just stating the facts.

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The facts as you see them, which have been repeatedly shown to be ridiculously faulty.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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How long was Judaism around before Christ started correcting the errors of the priests, scribes and pharisees?

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Luther and his progeny aren't Christ.

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And the Popes are not Christ, nor superior in authority to any other believer.

FLBear5630 said:

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Paul's rules are much different than what Jesus said in the Gospels. We, modern Christians, follow more of Paul's day to day rules than Jesus's.



It is a commonly argued position. Not unique to me.

Do we live the Apostles message or Paul the Romans?

For discussion, I am not saying it is correct. But, as you know Paul is not one of my favorites. Always telling us what to do, asking for money...








Jesus vs. Paul - doctrine.org

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Anyone who contends Paul opposed Christ or taught a different Gospel is bearing false witness.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Paul's rules are much different than what Jesus said in the Gospels. We, modern Christians, follow more of Paul's day to day rules than Jesus's.



It is a commonly argued position. Not unique to me.

Do we live the Apostles message or Paul the Romans?

For discussion, I am not saying it is correct. But, as you know Paul is not one of my favorites. Always telling us what to do, asking for money...








Jesus vs. Paul - doctrine.org

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It's because you guys don't understand what really happened in the Gospels.

Jesus came only for the Jews first. He came to become their Messiah and literal, physical, earthly king. The Law would still apply (because Jesus hadn't died for sin). But the Jews rejected him, and killed him. But that was God's plan all along - Satan killing Jesus resulted in Jesus' sacrfice paying for all sins, which allowed the offer of the kingdom to be extended to all people (Gentiles) who believe, not just Jews, in a kingdom where the Law was no longer in effect because Jesus fulfilled it (law of grace). It was a secret that Satan and his evil forces didn't know about (I Corinthians 2:7-8)

Jesus sent his apostles, namely Paul, to give the offer of the kingdom to the Gentiles - by GRACE. That's why Paul's message is different from Jesus'. Jesus' message to the Jews was BEFORE he was crucified. Jesus' death and resurrection changed things afterwards.

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Notice that in that 'comparison' which tried to pit Paul against Christ, the fact that Jesus did in fact help, heal and teach non-Jews is tacitly admitted:

The Healing of the Centurion's Servant (Matthew 8:5-13)
The Healing of the Syrophoenician Woman's Daughter (Mark 7:24-30)
The Samaritan Woman at the Well (John 4:1-42)
The Healing of the Ten Lepers (Luke 17:11-19)

Note also Christ sent The Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), which was GLOBAL in scope and therefore by definition not limited to Jews.

Christ began with Israel. He always meant to continue on, and so He instructed Paul to do so.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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How long was Judaism around before Christ started correcting the errors of the priests, scribes and pharisees?

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Luther and his progeny aren't Christ.

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And the Popes are not Christ, nor superior in authority to any other believer.

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And because they aren't Christ, they don't claim the authority to "reform" the deposit of faith. Yet other believers do.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

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What an absolute shock you think that.

Do you really think people put any weight in what you say?

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I have no idea. Just stating the facts.

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The facts as you see them, which have been repeatedly shown to be ridiculously faulty.

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Not at all. Your proof text notwithstanding, it's been shown that Augustine was a Catholic and a believer in the Eucharist.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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How long was Judaism around before Christ started correcting the errors of the priests, scribes and pharisees?

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Luther and his progeny aren't Christ.

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And the Popes are not Christ, nor superior in authority to any other believer.

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And because they aren't Christ, they don't claim the authority to "reform" the deposit of faith. Yet other believers do.

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Men in high Church positions have done great evil.

This includes some Popes.

Denying this will not undo the harm they caused, nor offend the Lord less.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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How long was Judaism around before Christ started correcting the errors of the priests, scribes and pharisees?

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Luther and his progeny aren't Christ.

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And the Popes are not Christ, nor superior in authority to any other believer.

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And because they aren't Christ, they don't claim the authority to "reform" the deposit of faith. Yet other believers do.

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Men in high Church positions have done great evil.

This includes some Popes.

Denying this will not undo the harm they caused, nor offend the Lord less.

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We've all done evil, yet the Lord's promise to the church remains true. We need not trust our own understanding or search through thousands of conflicting interpretations in order to receive the Gospel.

Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

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What an absolute shock you think that.

Do you really think people put any weight in what you say?

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I have no idea. Just stating the facts.

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The facts as you see them, which have been repeatedly shown to be ridiculously faulty.

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Not at all. Your proof text notwithstanding, it's been shown that Augustine was a Catholic and a believer in the Eucharist.

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...which he clearly believed was symbolic/figurative, not literal.

Any argument against this is pure intellectual dishonesty.

BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

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What an absolute shock you think that.

Do you really think people put any weight in what you say?

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I have no idea. Just stating the facts.

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The facts as you see them, which have been repeatedly shown to be ridiculously faulty.

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Not at all. Your proof text notwithstanding, it's been shown that Augustine was a Catholic and a believer in the Eucharist.

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...which he clearly believed was symbolic/figurative, not literal.

Any argument against this is pure intellectual dishonesty.

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Wrong.

Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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How long was Judaism around before Christ started correcting the errors of the priests, scribes and pharisees?

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Luther and his progeny aren't Christ.

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And the Popes are not Christ, nor superior in authority to any other believer.

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And because they aren't Christ, they don't claim the authority to "reform" the deposit of faith. Yet other believers do.

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Men in high Church positions have done great evil.

This includes some Popes.

Denying this will not undo the harm they caused, nor offend the Lord less.

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We've all done evil, yet the Lord's promise to the church remains true. We need not trust our own understanding or search through thousands of conflicting interpretations in order to receive the Gospel.

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Because all men have done evil, we must never put the word of a man above the Word of the Lord, which is Scripture.

Ole Trump is quite the snake charmer. He has now got non-Catholics hating on the Pope. Amazing!!!

Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

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What an absolute shock you think that.

Do you really think people put any weight in what you say?

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I have no idea. Just stating the facts.

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The facts as you see them, which have been repeatedly shown to be ridiculously faulty.

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Not at all. Your proof text notwithstanding, it's been shown that Augustine was a Catholic and a believer in the Eucharist.

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...which he clearly believed was symbolic/figurative, not literal.

Any argument against this is pure intellectual dishonesty.

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Wrong.

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"It is a figure" - Augustine.

You really are so rock bottom, that there's really nowhere further down for you to go.

Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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BusyTarpDuster2017 said:

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Realitybites said:

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J.R. said:

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This Christian nick picking is , IMO just nuts. Instead of nitpicking small stuff. Can't we Christians, just be Christians , love one another, respect on another. Seems we are all on the same team. I also believe that lots of us gonna be surprised in said after life. Call me simple.

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I agree that a lot of us are going to be surprised in the afterlife.

That having been said, this isn't really nitpicking.

Just take the Orthodox, Roman Catholic, and Lutheran teachings about the real presence in the Eucharist, and the Evangelical teaching that rejects it. Here you have the three oldest faith traditions in Christendom teaching one thing consistent with a plain reading of the Bible and people coming in 1600 years after the fact who say "nah, not really."

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As has been repeatedly shown to you guys, Augustine (4th - 5th century) himself wrote that the "eating and drinking of Jesus' flesh" in John chapter 6 was purely figurative/symbolic.

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Augustine never wrote that.

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What an absolute shock you think that.

Do you really think people put any weight in what you say?

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I have no idea. Just stating the facts.

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The facts as you see them, which have been repeatedly shown to be ridiculously faulty.

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Not at all. Your proof text notwithstanding, it's been shown that Augustine was a Catholic and a believer in the Eucharist.

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...which he clearly believed was symbolic/figurative, not literal.

Any argument against this is pure intellectual dishonesty.

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Wrong.

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Thats correct

Many explicit quotes of his stating exactly what Catholics believe of the Eucharist. We John 6:53 not John 6:61&John6:67ers

But then again, he was……Catholic

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Ole Trump is quite the snake charmer. He Pope Leo has now got non-Catholics hating on criticizing the Pope. Amazing!!!

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