historian said:

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Fascinating article:

It's Time To Acknowledge The Truth About China

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2026/03/it_s_time_to_acknowledge_the_truth_about_china.html#google_vignette

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Just take a look the last 80 years to see who has started or engaged in the most wars/ military actions around the globe. I will give you a hint. China is waaaayyyy down the list. Do you know who #1 is?

Donald Trump went from the least war mongering President in his first term to the biggest in his second term. And he's got 2 1/2 years left. Did not vote for this. Who is Trump going to invade/ attack next? Cuba? Greenland? Nothing would surprise me at this point.

I think Xi Jinping is smart enough to sit back and continue to watch our million dollar+ Patriot missiles continue to annihilate Iran's $20,000 drones.

Which country has been transformed from a weak & divided land with a history of foreign subjugation, revolution, and rule by warlords to a modern powerhouse, considered by some a superpower? Also, which is a ruthless communist dictatorship that today practices genocide and maintains concentration camps? So which is a greater threat to US security?

What I find strange is how many here claim to understand China, yet they imagine China is a single homogeneous country.

The truth is quite different. But then again, most here have never set foot there

historian said:

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Fascinating article:

It's Time To Acknowledge The Truth About China

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2026/03/it_s_time_to_acknowledge_the_truth_about_china.html#google_vignette

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Maybe we can form a trading partnership with other Asian countries to thwart China's influence. We could call it a Trans Pacific Partnership.

What's fascinating is how the conversation changes as we get closer to active hostilities. We saw the same pattern with Iraq, Iran, etc. Cold strategic calculation gradually gives way to scaremongering. By the time the first shots are fired, the underlying reasons for the conflict are relegated to the province of conspiracy theory.

This article from a few years ago is an interesting relic and very much worth reading. It sets forth the case against China in relatively honest terms: they're too big, they're too successful, and we don't like it. We'll be hearing less and less of this as the war drums beat louder.

https://time.com/6221072/why-protecting-taiwan-really-matters-to-the-u-s/

GrowlTowel said:

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RD2WINAGNBEAR86 said:

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historian said:

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Fascinating article:

It's Time To Acknowledge The Truth About China

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2026/03/it_s_time_to_acknowledge_the_truth_about_china.html#google_vignette

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Just take a look the last 80 years to see who has started or engaged in the most wars/ military actions around the globe. I will give you a hint. China is waaaayyyy down the list. Do you know who #1 is?

Donald Trump went from the least war mongering President in his first term to the biggest in his second term. And he's got 2 1/2 years left. Did not vote for this. Who is Trump going to invade/ attack next? Cuba? Greenland? Nothing would surprise me at this point.

I think Xi Jinping is smart enough to sit back and continue to watch our million dollar+ Patriot missiles continue to annihilate Iran's $20,000 drones.

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Almost everything you have written here has nothing to do with the OP or whether or not China is a threat to the US.

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My point is that China is not the big bad Bogeyman that Trump wants us to believe. They have much more serious problems than we do. If anything, Trump has made them stronger due to his Trade War vs. the world. China has made new alliances with many of our former allies out of necessity. Just another self-inflicted wound by Donald Trump.

To my knowledge Trump has never said that China is the "big bag bogeyman." Many others have said as much and there is much truth to that. They definitely are not our friends and cannot be trusted.

whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What's fascinating is how the conversation changes as we get closer to active hostilities. We saw the same pattern with Iraq, Iran, etc. Cold strategic calculation gradually gives way to scaremongering. By the time the first shots are fired, the underlying reasons for the conflict are relegated to the province of conspiracy theory.

This article from a few years ago is an interesting relic and very much worth reading. It sets forth the case against China in relatively honest terms: they're too big, they're too successful, and we don't like it. We'll be hearing less and less of this as the war drums beat louder.

https://time.com/6221072/why-protecting-taiwan-really-matters-to-the-u-s/

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China's war drums are not beating louder. They're watching their cost of a move on Taiwan sharply escalate. We now have control over their oil supply chain. No more cheap Venezuelan oil. No more Panama canal to ship it thru. No more cheap Iranian oil. No more free passage thru the Malacca Straits. No more basing rights in the Americas (well, almost, Cuba hasn't fallen....yet). And on and on.

Everything we've done the last 4 months has been sharply to China's detriment.
And they can't do a damned thing about it.

"Every battle is won before it is fought."
-Sun Tzu

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I'm talking about war drums from the likes of the "American Thinker." Of course China has no interest in war with us.

Both China and the US will suffer in the short term. In the long term, we're the ones who will lose access to Middle East oil unless we get serious about making a deal.

We don't need oil from the Middle East. We produce more than enough domestically and have access to more from Canada & Venezuela. The U.S. is a net exporter of oil.

Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What's fascinating is how the conversation changes as we get closer to active hostilities. We saw the same pattern with Iraq, Iran, etc. Cold strategic calculation gradually gives way to scaremongering. By the time the first shots are fired, the underlying reasons for the conflict are relegated to the province of conspiracy theory.

This article from a few years ago is an interesting relic and very much worth reading. It sets forth the case against China in relatively honest terms: they're too big, they're too successful, and we don't like it. We'll be hearing less and less of this as the war drums beat louder.

https://time.com/6221072/why-protecting-taiwan-really-matters-to-the-u-s/

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China's war drums are not beating louder. They're watching their cost of a move on Taiwan sharply escalate. We now have control over their oil supply chain. No more cheap Venezuelan oil. No more Panama canal to ship it thru. No more cheap Iranian oil. No more free passage thru the Malacca Straits. No more basing rights in the Americas (well, almost, Cuba hasn't fallen....yet). And on and on.

Everything we've done the last 4 months has been sharply to China's detriment.
And they can't do a damned thing about it.

"Every battle is won before it is fought."
-Sun Tzu

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I'm talking about war drums from the likes of the "American Thinker." Of course China has no interest in war with us.

Both China and the US will suffer in the short term. In the long term, we're the ones who will lose access to Middle East oil unless we get serious about making a deal.

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China has been waging economic war since the 1980s. They are just lately becoming rich and industrialized enough to start challenging the US in military hardware. Not facilitating the continuation of that trend is in the best interest of the US.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What's fascinating is how the conversation changes as we get closer to active hostilities. We saw the same pattern with Iraq, Iran, etc. Cold strategic calculation gradually gives way to scaremongering. By the time the first shots are fired, the underlying reasons for the conflict are relegated to the province of conspiracy theory.

This article from a few years ago is an interesting relic and very much worth reading. It sets forth the case against China in relatively honest terms: they're too big, they're too successful, and we don't like it. We'll be hearing less and less of this as the war drums beat louder.

https://time.com/6221072/why-protecting-taiwan-really-matters-to-the-u-s/

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China's war drums are not beating louder. They're watching their cost of a move on Taiwan sharply escalate. We now have control over their oil supply chain. No more cheap Venezuelan oil. No more Panama canal to ship it thru. No more cheap Iranian oil. No more free passage thru the Malacca Straits. No more basing rights in the Americas (well, almost, Cuba hasn't fallen....yet). And on and on.

Everything we've done the last 4 months has been sharply to China's detriment.
And they can't do a damned thing about it.

"Every battle is won before it is fought."
-Sun Tzu

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I'm talking about war drums from the likes of the "American Thinker." Of course China has no interest in war with us.

Both China and the US will suffer in the short term. In the long term, we're the ones who will lose access to Middle East oil unless we get serious about making a deal.

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China has been waging economic war since the 1980s. They are just lately becoming rich and industrialized enough to start challenging the US in military hardware. Not facilitating the continuation of that trend is in the best interest of the US.

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They've been competing economically, which we consider a form of warfare. The rest of the world doesn't necessarily see it that way.

Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What's fascinating is how the conversation changes as we get closer to active hostilities. We saw the same pattern with Iraq, Iran, etc. Cold strategic calculation gradually gives way to scaremongering. By the time the first shots are fired, the underlying reasons for the conflict are relegated to the province of conspiracy theory.

This article from a few years ago is an interesting relic and very much worth reading. It sets forth the case against China in relatively honest terms: they're too big, they're too successful, and we don't like it. We'll be hearing less and less of this as the war drums beat louder.

https://time.com/6221072/why-protecting-taiwan-really-matters-to-the-u-s/

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China's war drums are not beating louder. They're watching their cost of a move on Taiwan sharply escalate. We now have control over their oil supply chain. No more cheap Venezuelan oil. No more Panama canal to ship it thru. No more cheap Iranian oil. No more free passage thru the Malacca Straits. No more basing rights in the Americas (well, almost, Cuba hasn't fallen....yet). And on and on.

Everything we've done the last 4 months has been sharply to China's detriment.
And they can't do a damned thing about it.

"Every battle is won before it is fought."
-Sun Tzu

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I'm talking about war drums from the likes of the "American Thinker." Of course China has no interest in war with us.

Both China and the US will suffer in the short term. In the long term, we're the ones who will lose access to Middle East oil unless we get serious about making a deal.

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China has been waging economic war since the 1980s. They are just lately becoming rich and industrialized enough to start challenging the US in military hardware. Not facilitating the continuation of that trend is in the best interest of the US.

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They've been competing economically, which we consider a form of warfare. The rest of the world doesn't necessarily see it that way.

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Fun fact: When I worked for Schlumberger, we did a site audit of three foundries we had in China and our regular laptops were replaced with others which could not access the main company site, because we learned China would have people steal company laptops to gain access to technology, especially patent research. The practice of stealing IP has been common to China since at least 1990, and every nation which does business with China knows this and plans for it.

Russia, Germany, France, etc. all act the same way as the US in this regard, because China will very commonly use means to steal while pretending it's just random crime.

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What's fascinating is how the conversation changes as we get closer to active hostilities. We saw the same pattern with Iraq, Iran, etc. Cold strategic calculation gradually gives way to scaremongering. By the time the first shots are fired, the underlying reasons for the conflict are relegated to the province of conspiracy theory.

This article from a few years ago is an interesting relic and very much worth reading. It sets forth the case against China in relatively honest terms: they're too big, they're too successful, and we don't like it. We'll be hearing less and less of this as the war drums beat louder.

https://time.com/6221072/why-protecting-taiwan-really-matters-to-the-u-s/

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China's war drums are not beating louder. They're watching their cost of a move on Taiwan sharply escalate. We now have control over their oil supply chain. No more cheap Venezuelan oil. No more Panama canal to ship it thru. No more cheap Iranian oil. No more free passage thru the Malacca Straits. No more basing rights in the Americas (well, almost, Cuba hasn't fallen....yet). And on and on.

Everything we've done the last 4 months has been sharply to China's detriment.
And they can't do a damned thing about it.

"Every battle is won before it is fought."
-Sun Tzu

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I'm talking about war drums from the likes of the "American Thinker." Of course China has no interest in war with us.

Both China and the US will suffer in the short term. In the long term, we're the ones who will lose access to Middle East oil unless we get serious about making a deal.

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China has been waging economic war since the 1980s. They are just lately becoming rich and industrialized enough to start challenging the US in military hardware. Not facilitating the continuation of that trend is in the best interest of the US.

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They've been competing economically, which we consider a form of warfare. The rest of the world doesn't necessarily see it that way.

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This is where you aren't serious again. China has pushed imposter products and stolen intellectual property for a long time. It is long past time to rein in our dependence upon them, while they still depend on the American market for wealth generation.

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That kind of thing is manageable in the ordinary system of national and international law (and the Chinese aren't the only ones who don't always play fair). That's not economic war. BRICS, Belt and Road, alternatives to dollar hegemony -- those things mean war from our point of view.

Oldbear83 said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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whiterock said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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What's fascinating is how the conversation changes as we get closer to active hostilities. We saw the same pattern with Iraq, Iran, etc. Cold strategic calculation gradually gives way to scaremongering. By the time the first shots are fired, the underlying reasons for the conflict are relegated to the province of conspiracy theory.

This article from a few years ago is an interesting relic and very much worth reading. It sets forth the case against China in relatively honest terms: they're too big, they're too successful, and we don't like it. We'll be hearing less and less of this as the war drums beat louder.

https://time.com/6221072/why-protecting-taiwan-really-matters-to-the-u-s/

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China's war drums are not beating louder. They're watching their cost of a move on Taiwan sharply escalate. We now have control over their oil supply chain. No more cheap Venezuelan oil. No more Panama canal to ship it thru. No more cheap Iranian oil. No more free passage thru the Malacca Straits. No more basing rights in the Americas (well, almost, Cuba hasn't fallen....yet). And on and on.

Everything we've done the last 4 months has been sharply to China's detriment.
And they can't do a damned thing about it.

"Every battle is won before it is fought."
-Sun Tzu

---

I'm talking about war drums from the likes of the "American Thinker." Of course China has no interest in war with us.

Both China and the US will suffer in the short term. In the long term, we're the ones who will lose access to Middle East oil unless we get serious about making a deal.

---

China has been waging economic war since the 1980s. They are just lately becoming rich and industrialized enough to start challenging the US in military hardware. Not facilitating the continuation of that trend is in the best interest of the US.

---

They've been competing economically, which we consider a form of warfare. The rest of the world doesn't necessarily see it that way.

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Fun fact: When I worked for Schlumberger, we did a site audit of three foundries we had in China and our regular laptops were replaced with others which could not access the main company site, because we learned China would have people steal company laptops to gain access to technology, especially patent research. The practice of stealing IP has been common to China since at least 1990, and every nation which does business with China knows this and plans for it.

Russia, Germany, France, etc. all act the same way as the US in this regard, because China will very commonly use means to steal while pretending it's just random crime.

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back in the day......the DGSE (French intel service) had the ability to eavesdrop on conversations in first & business classes on certain French airlines. Got some intel out of it and would regularly share commercially relevant information with French companies. Easy to do stuff like that when the airline is wholly or partly state owned.