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FLBear5630 said:

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This is NOT what he ran on and told us. No new wars? Now all we can fund is wars?


Trump says it's 'not possible' for Washington to fund Medicaid, Medicare: 'We're fighting wars.' How to prepare as costs rise


Come on guys? Under Biden you went NUTS over just giving weapons to Ukraine. Now we can't fund health care for the elderly because we are fighting wars?

Crickets...

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Good post, FLBear. No, none of us voted for this. He went from the Peace President in his first term to Worldwide Bully in his second term. In the process he has alienated most of our allies. America First has transformed into America Isolated.

I will give credit where credit is due. Yay closed borders and yay eggs!!! That's about it.

"We are the hottest country in the world! We have eleventy bazillion dollars promised in IOUs! Nobody has ever seen anything like it!" Blah........blah........blah...........

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Hey, Peter Navaro says Trump is right. Well, ok then... With good objective analysis like that, how can you question?


Read this book. This is what is going on and the Trump family and their cronies are making a fortune. Did you hear, Musk is buying Spirit for pennies on the dollar.



Chokepoints: American Power in the Age of Economic Warfare

Wangchung said:

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He didn't say they shouldn't be funded, he said they should be run at the state level and funded by each state. Just admit you want socialized healthcare and be honest.

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Yes, I want healthcare for who needs it. There should be a base level for citizens. A combo of basic socialized and private works for me. And????

Yep,

TDS is a *****

We disagree. Everyone is entitled to basic healthcare and it shouldn't bankrupt them because they got sick.

FLBear5630 said:

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This is NOT what he ran on and told us. No new wars? Now all we can fund is wars?

Trump says it's 'not possible' for Washington to fund Medicaid, Medicare: 'We're fighting wars.' How to prepare as costs rise

Come on guys? Under Biden you went NUTS over just giving weapons to Ukraine. Now we can't fund health care for the elderly because we are fighting wars?

Crickets...

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Failed state.

Or more properly, a state owned by AIPAC.



As the saying goes, you get what you pay for.

Wangchung said:

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He didn't say they shouldn't be funded, he said they should be run at the state level and funded by each state. Just admit you want socialized healthcare and be honest.

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Federal taxes for medicare.

1.45%+1.45%+ 0.9% + 3.8% additional capital gains.

If you want the states to fund medicare, get rid of those federal taxes.

No, you choose guns over butter. It is a choice. Guns are more important to you than healthcare and assisting widows. Spoken like a true "have".

FLBear5630 said:

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No, you choose guns over butter. It is a choice. Guns are more important to you than healthcare and assisting widows. Spoken like a true "have".

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What a bad take. I am certain you are trying another joke, but the sad thing is, some really think like this.

Joke? I wish it was a joke. That is a true statement, we are prioritizing guns over butter. We have a trillion dollar plus military budget being floated and saying we cant fully fund healthcare for the elderly and the disabled? Daycare would at least allow people to work to support the military economy, so that is short sighted. Maybe daycare in armament companies.

Sorry you dont like that i verbalized it, but that is the choice. And like it or not, i do believe everyone deserves a basic level of healthcare that is not "charity". Everyone, especially the elderly deserve a little level of self dignity. In my F-ed up opinion, part of the benefit of citizenship, we take care of our own and we shouldn't make people beg. Bad take, right...

But a much more acceptable position by this group is to not take care of the disabled and elderly and build more missiles as Israel needs them.. Afterall invasion is around the corner, right

"It's not possible for us to take care of day care, Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things. They can do it on a state basis. You can't do it on a federal. We have to take care of one thing: military protection. We have to guard the country." - Donald Trump 4/2026

This is what you guys signed on for? I dint expect the CEO types to give a **** as long as their bonuses are up. But, the rest of you? You guys are good with it? Who is invading us?

FLBear5630 said:

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Joke? I wish it was a joke. That is a true statement, we are prioritizing guns over butter. We have a trillion dollar plus military budget being floated and saying we cant fully fund healthcare for the elderly and the disabled? Daycare would at least allow people to work to support the military economy, so that is short sighted. Maybe daycare in armament companies.

Sorry you dont like that i verbalized it, but that is the choice. And like it or not, i do believe everyone deserves a basic level of healthcare that is not "charity". Everyone, especially the elderly deserve a little level of self dignity. In my F-ed up opinion, part of the benefit of citizenship, we take care of our own and we shouldn't make people beg. Bad take, right...

But a much more acceptable position by this group is to not take care of the disabled and elderly and build more missiles as Israel needs them.. Afterall invasion is around the corner, right

"It's not possible for us to take care of day care, Medicaid, Medicare, all these individual things. They can do it on a state basis. You can't do it on a federal. We have to take care of one thing: military protection. We have to guard the country." - Donald Trump 4/2026

This is what you guys signed on for? I dint expect the CEO types to give a **** as long as their bonuses are up. But, the rest of you? You guys are good with it? Who is invading us?

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There's probably 25% of the country that's on board with this because Paula White told them they need to be so the third temple can be rebuilt, or they get paid by the MIC to be on board with it. It is going to be interesting to see how they break when it's a choice between Medicare cuts and supporting Israel.

November is going to be ugly.

As in the GOP may not survive it ugly.

I believe that the richest country in the world could provide a min. level of HCI. I have studied our HC fairly closely and man is it effed up. We are the only industrized country where HCI is subsidized by businesses or govt employers. Everyone should have to source their own HC instead of the man doing it.

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I believe that the richest country in the world could provide a min. level of HCI. I have studied our HC fairly closely and man is it effed up. We are the only industrized country where HCI is subsidized by businesses or govt employers. Everyone should have to source their own HC instead of the man doing it.

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Call me a liberal idealist, but taking care of your weakest, oldest and most in need was at one time a noble goal. A strong Nation takes care of those that can't and reward the elderly after a lifetime of working for the Nation (and yes working is for the Nation), what we are pushing to punt that to others is not what I signed on for.

If by the "man" you mean employers, I agree. If by the "man" you mean Government, I disagree. That bottomline is that the Federal Govt is the only entity that can assure standardized Health Care system for all.

This is one I have changed on over the years, but I am seeing too many having their lives destroyed by HC costs and lack of treatment. If we can afford these CEO bonuses and a Trillion+ Defense budget we can afford to help our citizens.

FLBear5630 said:

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This is one I have changed on over the years, but I am seeing too many having their lives destroyed by HC costs and lack of treatment. If we can afford these CEO bonuses and a Trillion+ Defense budget we can afford to help our citizens.

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Would you be OK restricting this benefit to natural born citizens?

Zero coverage for illegal aliens, work visa holders, permanent residents or naturalized citizens.

Realitybites said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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This is one I have changed on over the years, but I am seeing too many having their lives destroyed by HC costs and lack of treatment. If we can afford these CEO bonuses and a Trillion+ Defense budget we can afford to help our citizens.

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Would you be OK restricting this benefit to natural born citizens?

Zero coverage for illegal aliens, work visa holders, permanent residents or naturalized citizens.

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Yes, it would be for citizens. Citizenship has to have value and we take care of our own has to mean something.

In concept, being a Roman citizen was an honor and with it went protection, privilege and responsibility. Now, I get they had a class system, but you get the point. Health care has gotten so complex, expensive and integrated with lifestyle that what may not have been a necessity in 1700 is now. Conditions change.

I am also for strict border control and a challenging path to citizenship. Sorry, but integration is important to any society. I had no issue with ICE deporting, just how they did it.

FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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This is one I have changed on over the years, but I am seeing too many having their lives destroyed by HC costs and lack of treatment. If we can afford these CEO bonuses and a Trillion+ Defense budget we can afford to help our citizens.

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Would you be OK restricting this benefit to natural born citizens?

Zero coverage for illegal aliens, work visa holders, permanent residents or naturalized citizens.

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Yes, it would be for citizens. Citizenship has to have value and we take care of our own has to mean something.

In concept, being a Roman citizen was an honor and with it went protection, privilege and responsibility. Now, I get they had a class system, but you get the point. Health care has gotten so complex, expensive and integrated with lifestyle that what may not have been a necessity in 1700 is now. Conditions change.

I am also for strict border control and a challenging path to citizenship. Sorry, but integration is important to any society. I had no issue with ICE deporting, just how they did it.

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What about tying this to eliminating birthright citizenship?

I think something like this could work if it was restricted to natural born citizens with an elimination of birthright citizenship for the children of foreign citizens?

But you're right in that something must be done. Right now we've gone from the private practice dominated health care system we had in the 1960s and 1970s to something that has the expense of a private pay model with the bureaucracy of a national health service. That is unsustainable.

Realitybites said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Realitybites said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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This is one I have changed on over the years, but I am seeing too many having their lives destroyed by HC costs and lack of treatment. If we can afford these CEO bonuses and a Trillion+ Defense budget we can afford to help our citizens.

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Would you be OK restricting this benefit to natural born citizens?

Zero coverage for illegal aliens, work visa holders, permanent residents or naturalized citizens.

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Yes, it would be for citizens. Citizenship has to have value and we take care of our own has to mean something.

In concept, being a Roman citizen was an honor and with it went protection, privilege and responsibility. Now, I get they had a class system, but you get the point. Health care has gotten so complex, expensive and integrated with lifestyle that what may not have been a necessity in 1700 is now. Conditions change.

I am also for strict border control and a challenging path to citizenship. Sorry, but integration is important to any society. I had no issue with ICE deporting, just how they did it.

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What about tying this to eliminating birthright citizenship?

I think something like this could work if it was restricted to natural born citizens with an elimination of birthright citizenship for the children of foreign citizens?

But you're right in that something must be done. Right now we've gone from the private practice dominated health care system we had in the 1960s and 1970s to something that has the expense of a private pay model with the bureaucracy of a national health service. That is unsustainable.

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I can agree to the if born on US soil by foreign nationals part. I do believe 1 parent needs to be a citizen. Regular Starship Troopers right. : ) "Would you like to know more..."

FLBear5630 said:

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I can agree to the if born on US soil by foreign nationals part. I do believe 1 parent needs to be a citizen. Regular Starship Troopers right. : ) "Would you like to know more..."

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Hah. That was an OK movie. Actually Ender's Game was really, really good if you like such things.

Ok, one citizen parent grants citizenship. Fair enough.

Well, now that we've solved that problem we can move on to any number of others.

Realitybites said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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I can agree to the if born on US soil by foreign nationals part. I do believe 1 parent needs to be a citizen. Regular Starship Troopers right. : ) "Would you like to know more..."

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Hah. That was an OK movie. Actually Ender's Game was really, really good if you like such things.

Ok, one citizen parent grants citizenship. Fair enough.

Well, now that we've solved that problem we can move on to any number of others.

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I agree.

Now, my more immediate issue - War in Iran.

Really? We have to go to war with Iran in my 40th anniversary year when I already paid for a river cruise in Europe? This year? Really....

FLBear5630 said:

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J.R. said:

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I believe that the richest country in the world could provide a min. level of HCI. I have studied our HC fairly closely and man is it effed up. We are the only industrized country where HCI is subsidized by businesses or govt employers. Everyone should have to source their own HC instead of the man doing it.

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Call me a liberal idealist, but taking care of your weakest, oldest and most in need was at one time a noble goal. A strong Nation takes care of those that can't and reward the elderly after a lifetime of working for the Nation (and yes working is for the Nation), what we are pushing to punt that to others is not what I signed on for.

If by the "man" you mean employers, I agree. If by the "man" you mean Government, I disagree. That bottomline is that the Federal Govt is the only entity that can assure standardized Health Care system for all.

This is one I have changed on over the years, but I am seeing too many having their lives destroyed by HC costs and lack of treatment. If we can afford these CEO bonuses and a Trillion+ Defense budget we can afford to help our citizens.

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stand corrected on govt insurance.

We disagree on these items.

Why? Because it is needed. It is the single thing that Government can do to really impact people's lives. The system is not working and what is government for if not to fix what is not working. Was it needed in the 50"s, no. Is it needed today? Yeah. Go to an inner city ER or a rural Hospital and tell me it is a NYC Progressive thing that is made up.

Spending on day care will do more for the economy than many other programs and investments.

Have you even researched what you gasp "Oh my God" about?

Day Care is actually the easiest case for Government subsidies. Daycare in Texas is about 21% of the average salary of users.
child-care-investment-is-crucial-for-future-economic-growth-1.pdf
Who's paying now?: The explicit and implicit costs of the current early care and education system | Economic Policy Institute

Even subsidized health care can make an economic case, worst case let's say it is a push. You still have people covered when they get sick. But, it has to include preventive to make it work. Our current system doesn't do that across the board. Healthy people are productive people.

The impact of health on economic growth: A narrative literature review - ScienceDirect

So don't give me the Liberal crap, there are just as good of cases for economic growth for day care and health care being paid by Government than much of what we pay right now.