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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Porteroso said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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The "black jury" canard is just more disinformation in this case that should not be given oxygen that the tacists so crave.

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No. Valid thing to wonder about. Many innocent blacks convicted over the years by all white juries. Though in most cases the real blame lies with lying scumbag cops and prosecutors.

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Sure, it's the 50s. Keep telling yourself that.

You just prove the other point that blacks cannot be objective and convict a black of killing a white person.

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If you were on trial, and an all black jury, with higher IQ and education than you, were to decide your fate, would you trust that jury?

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Yes.

Can you name a black defendant wrongfully convicted by an all-white jury because of racism that has occurred in the last 60 years?

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No, I dont follow general murder trials like that. A quick look at the Innocence projects shows that in May 2026 they got 3 men freed after 28 years behind bars. Seems to fall within your 60 year window. Was it racism? Dunno, but just guess the skin color.

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If it is not instantly clear why that is problematic it is pointless to attempt to explain it to you.

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So 28 years ago, racism couldn't have been a factor in a wrongful conviction of black men? Racism was dead in 1998?

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Share an example. Otherwise you're tilting at windmills.

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https://innocenceproject.org/news/batson-v-kentucky-racially-biased-jury-selection-40-years-later/
Interesting read.

But here is the link I googled for you. Don Quixote put way more effort in, than a few googles, by the way. Make white knights great again!

https://innocenceproject.org/news/philadelphia-men-exonerated-jermal-shuler-brittingham-turner/

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Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D) suggests that she also would have stabbed Austin Metcalf: pic.twitter.com/TBn3txFSAi

— End Wokeness (@EndWokeness) June 10, 2026

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Karmelo is a coward. Plain and simple. He went into the tent and initiated an altercation with every intent to use that knife. His plan all along was to use self defense to commit murder. The problem is.. he didn't plan on a bunch of kids of his color telling a jury that he was the aggressor. A coward to his core. Also I'll put this out there. Had they actually fought with fists and settled it like men he would have gotten destroyed.

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Wangchung said:

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I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

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You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.

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I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.

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Weird how you left out the 15 times Karmelo was asked to leave before anyone came near him in response to his threats and antagonism. For all you know, if an adult had dared to disrespect Karmelo by asking him to move from where he didn't belong the adult would be dead now instead of Austin.

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Oldbear83 said:

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I don't like seeing this incident presented as a 'blacks vs whites' situation. I have colleagues and friends of every race and many nationalities. The problem here is that some areas have developed a culture of victimhood, of looking for someone else to blame for their own failures.

I'm old enough to remember areas here in Texas where there were white enclaves of victimhood, like Vidor and New Caney. Places within towns as well, where people were not well off but always blamed someone else for their woes.

Politicians have played on such hatred for as long as our nation has been around. It just takes on different labels and changes a few names of players.

Until the say Satan is bound and sent to his end, there will be men who listen to him and hate their brothers.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

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You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.

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I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.

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Weird how you left out the 15 times Karmelo was asked to leave before anyone came near him in response to his threats and antagonism. For all you know, if an adult had dared to disrespect Karmelo by asking him to move from where he didn't belong the adult would be dead now instead of Austin.

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How do they know it was 15 times?

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Eyewitnesses.

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Fre3dombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Mothra said:

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El Oso said:

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I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

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You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.

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I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.

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Weird how you left out the 15 times Karmelo was asked to leave before anyone came near him in response to his threats and antagonism. For all you know, if an adult had dared to disrespect Karmelo by asking him to move from where he didn't belong the adult would be dead now instead of Austin.

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How do they know it was 15 times?

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Eyewitnesses.

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Ah. Wholly made up number then. Thought it was lile a precise number.

Still zero chamce rheres no video recording of the whole thing. We know why we haven't seen or heard it. Some people forever coddled though . We will never be free till people raise their standards. 2 tier society hurts us all but mostly blacks sadly who every day become a smaller % of the population. Largely thanks to Obama oddly enough.

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Wangchung said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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El Oso said:

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Mothra said:

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El Oso said:

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I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

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You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.

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I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.

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Weird how you left out the 15 times Karmelo was asked to leave before anyone came near him in response to his threats and antagonism. For all you know, if an adult had dared to disrespect Karmelo by asking him to move from where he didn't belong the adult would be dead now instead of Austin.

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How do they know it was 15 times?

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Eyewitnesses.

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Ah. Wholly made up number then. Thought it was lile a precise number.

Still zero chamce rheres no video recording of the whole thing. We know why we haven't seen or heard it. Some people forever coddled though . We will never be free till people raise their standards. 2 tier society hurts us all but mostly blacks sadly who every day become a smaller % of the population. Largely thanks to Obama oddly enough.

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Yeah, just the word of all the witnesses that were still alive to testify and under oath. Legally binding testimony: Such a two tiered system to use such a thing in addition to all of the other evidence. The simply MUST be a magic bullet video out there somewhere that exonerates Karmelo.

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Realitybites said:

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So 28 years ago, racism couldn't have been a factor in a wrongful conviction of black men? Racism was dead in 1998?

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While it may not have been "dead", things were a heck of a lot better before BHO got into office and picked all the scabs off those old wounds.

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Fre3dombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Fre3dombear said:

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Wangchung said:

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El Oso said:

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Mothra said:

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El Oso said:

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I've not made any excuses. I think the jury got it right in verdictand sentence. There are three things that must occur in self defense. I could see an argument that two did. I could not see how force was met with proportional force.

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You cannot claim self-defense if you started or provoked the conflict. That clearly happened here, IMO.

Regardless, an adult should not have to babysit a 17 year old to prevent him from stabbing someone in the heart at a track meet. Perhaps that would have prevented this hoodlum from doing what he did, or perhaps it would have gotten the teacher killed. It's not a fair ask of any teacher or coach. It's also not relevant to any issue in this case, which is why it's weird you keep talking about it.

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I somewhat disagree that Melo provoked it. According to the videos and the witnesses, Austin got up, climbed up four rows, and pushed Melo. Melo's unwanted existence is not provocation. His words, maybe.

It's extremely relevant to all facts in the case. If an adult is there, no kid feels the need to remove Melo. That's the adult's job, and in 13 years of teaching and coaching, I only had to call for help once. I moved the kids away and waited for help to arrive. You ask the kid to move. If he doesn't, you send a kid for one of the police officers and another for another coach.

Experience and wisdom, things teenagers do not have, prevent tragedies.

Melo's still 100% responsible for what he did. I'm just saying I'm extremely confident this would not have happened with an adult present.

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Weird how you left out the 15 times Karmelo was asked to leave before anyone came near him in response to his threats and antagonism. For all you know, if an adult had dared to disrespect Karmelo by asking him to move from where he didn't belong the adult would be dead now instead of Austin.

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How do they know it was 15 times?

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Eyewitnesses.

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Ah. Wholly made up number then. Thought it was lile a precise number.

Still zero chamce rheres no video recording of the whole thing. We know why we haven't seen or heard it. Some people forever coddled though . We will never be free till people raise their standards. 2 tier society hurts us all but mostly blacks sadly who every day become a smaller % of the population. Largely thanks to Obama oddly enough.

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Yeah, just the word of all the witnesses that were still alive to testify and under oath. Legally binding testimony: Such a two tiered system to use such a thing in addition to all of the other evidence. The simply MUST be a magic bullet video out there somewhere that exonerates Karmelo.

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Odd. Id thimk the video would remove all doubt this thug from a loser family is a cold blooded murder but udou

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Harrison Bergeron said:

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So 28 years ago, racism couldn't have been a factor in a wrongful conviction of black men? Racism was dead in 1998?

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While it may not have been "dead", things were a heck of a lot better before BHO got into office and picked all the scabs off those old wounds.

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ehh mb... it certainly didnt help... but that was also around the same time Boomers had completely taken over the mantle of leadership over this country...

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It empirically demonstrable - race relations via people's attitudes had been improving for years and then start to decline when Smokin Barry took over.

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Doc Holliday said:

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Imagine losing a child and having people mad at you because the person who killed him got charged with murder.

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The_barBEARian said:

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Realitybites said:

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Porteroso said:

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So 28 years ago, racism couldn't have been a factor in a wrongful conviction of black men? Racism was dead in 1998?

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While it may not have been "dead", things were a heck of a lot better before BHO got into office and picked all the scabs off those old wounds.

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ehh mb... it certainly didnt help... but that was also around the same time Boomers had completely taken over the mantle of leadership over this country...

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