That's the left for you. Left wing terrorism is on the rise

It is always about violence for them

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While I give the Piggy Admin credit for border security as that was by far the best thing he has done. Now, this ICE chit shooting people dead in our streets (one was the wrong guy). These people had work permits and were the type of immigrants we want and need.(legally). So, we just shoot them dead in the street. One was killed by an "agent" shooting indescrimanately into the windshield of the car which is not protocol in any circumstances except for imminent death threat. The HAS to STOP. Oh, no, Piggy doubled down and cranked it back up. Anyone think this is ok? Biden didn't have anything to do with it.

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Congress almost passed immigration reform but didn't because Trump wanted the politics. There is always an orderly solution that Trump dismisses.

It's more than trigger happy for me. The fact that ICE is routinely stopping minorities without cause and terrorizing them is unacceptable. And even more, it's ineffective.

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Bull-hit. That bill would have codified the Biden practice of flooding the country with illegals. The other part was an Ukraine funding bill.

Don't bring weak ass -hit here.

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So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not. It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly. (Funny thing, 2A folks argue we all need guns for this exact situation)

"Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular.

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** sigh **

SO much wrong in that post. OK, by point then:

"So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not."

So right from the start, you introduced the room to the retrospective determinism fallacy. The immigration problem is more than a half-century old, and some Congresses and Presidents have actually made things worse in scope and character. The actions by ICE and the DHS are overdue and for the most part restrained.


" It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly."

That's the DNC spin and not winning over most anyone else. Frankly, the Democrats never seemed to grasp the growing public anger about illegals in gangs and the drug flow they brought - the 'Maryland Man' issue worked against the Democrats, and may still be hurting them as we approach the midterms.

" "Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular."

The Democrats never seem to tire of false Nazi analogies. It's old, stale, and only hard-boiled haters still buy it. The fact is that while most Americans are unhappy with the tragic deaths, they understand why these incidents are not happening with many Americans, including immigrant communities.

So Democrats are left with malicious stories and selective cop hate, and ultimately show no concern for legal immigrants and citizens hurt, even killed, by illegals.

Such a strange hill to die on.

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There is nothing measured or restrained about the current approach. The administration openly admits that isn't their intention. That's how you end up with a situation where a 6 man tactical team is used to round up a non violent non felon Uber Driver that overstayed a visa. We killed an American citizen in the process. These are military tactics used for domestic enforcement and intentional intimidation.

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I noticed you still ignore the problem of non-cooperation, often interference, from certain local and county officials (Democrats, of course), working to prevent LEO coordination.

Why do you hide that part?

Almost as dishonest as the lie that this is not about the illegals,

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It doesn't happen if they're not pursuing Chuma doing their job and just act like Democrats.

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Corrected.

And apparently you are a fan of local LEO ignoring the illegals problem.

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You would defend anything this administration does so the facts of the situation are of no concern to you. Again, we sent a tactical team to pursue a non violent non felon who had already been detained and released during the first Trump admin and was in visa review status. Not MS-13, not Tren de Aragua, not murderers, not traffickers, but a damn Uber/Lyft driver.

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Sort of like the early morning raids on the grandparents that wonder through the capital on Jan 6th.

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Maybe you forgot all the times I argued about how Jan 6 wasn't an insurrection. Some of us, unlike OB, apply principles to all parties, not excuse them because the other guy did it.

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I see Hypocrisy has entered the chat.

The current situation regarding enforcement of deportation laws is frankly unprecedented. All those comparisons between how ICE acted under Obama and now ignore the fact that under Obama local and state officials did not stand in the way, did not oppose, the enforcement of law. ICE agents were able to act in cooperation with other agencies, something the Left has actively opposed in the current term.

All these hypocrites who go after ICE now like to pretend they are using principles, even as they ignore the different conditions, the active hostility - Good and Pritti would be alive today if they were not militant antagonists of the federal agents, and the very selective media spin all matter in this day and place.

Those self-righteous critics must sure be limber, to pat their backs so much even as they throw dung at agents doing a stressful and dangerous job that voters demanded.

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This isn't hypocrisy because there is simply no comparison.

The job became significantly more dangerous because of how this administration chose to conduct it. Under Obama, ICE worked quietly through local jail pipelines to target individuals with violent criminal records. This administration chose to deploy masked, tactical units into civilian neighborhoods using unmarked cars and decoy stickers without regard for whether the target was a violent felon or simply illegal. And they didn't seek cooperation, they just did it.

Dropping a mass net into dense urban neighborhoods for street-level sweeps creates chaos and dramatically raises the danger for agents, targets, and bystanders alike. That operational choice is what is unprecedented.

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ICE helicoptered into the south side of Chicago and took over an apartment building placing citizen children onto zip ties until they confirmed their status.

This is why people are anti ICE. It's the tactics not the mission.

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Whatever tactics are deemed appropriate, if you're a law abiding legal citizen you've got nothing to worry about, now do you?

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There was a 17 year old kid at work at Target. ICE came into the store (he was at work) grabbed him. Drove him miles away. Verified his citizenship (he was carrying his passport) and dumped him where they were.

Yes, you have to be worried about. Law abiding isn't enough.

If this were honorable, they'd do it unmasked.

And there are 10s of thousands of arrests that are made with no incident at all

Why not bring up all of those? Why emphasize the few that are trouble makers mainly due to anti ice protestors or the illegals themselves?

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J.R. said:

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While I give the Piggy Admin credit for border security as that was by far the best thing he has done. Now, this ICE chit shooting people dead in our streets (one was the wrong guy). These people had work permits and were the type of immigrants we want and need.(legally). So, we just shoot them dead in the street. One was killed by an "agent" shooting indescrimanately into the windshield of the car which is not protocol in any circumstances except for imminent death threat. The HAS to STOP. Oh, no, Piggy doubled down and cranked it back up. Anyone think this is ok? Biden didn't have anything to do with it.

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Congress almost passed immigration reform but didn't because Trump wanted the politics. There is always an orderly solution that Trump dismisses.

It's more than trigger happy for me. The fact that ICE is routinely stopping minorities without cause and terrorizing them is unacceptable. And even more, it's ineffective.

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Bull-hit. That bill would have codified the Biden practice of flooding the country with illegals. The other part was an Ukraine funding bill.

Don't bring weak ass -hit here.

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So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not. It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly. (Funny thing, 2A folks argue we all need guns for this exact situation)

"Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular.

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** sigh **

SO much wrong in that post. OK, by point then:

"So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not."

So right from the start, you introduced the room to the retrospective determinism fallacy. The immigration problem is more than a half-century old, and some Congresses and Presidents have actually made things worse in scope and character. The actions by ICE and the DHS are overdue and for the most part restrained.


" It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly."

That's the DNC spin and not winning over most anyone else. Frankly, the Democrats never seemed to grasp the growing public anger about illegals in gangs and the drug flow they brought - the 'Maryland Man' issue worked against the Democrats, and may still be hurting them as we approach the midterms.

" "Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular."

The Democrats never seem to tire of false Nazi analogies. It's old, stale, and only hard-boiled haters still buy it. The fact is that while most Americans are unhappy with the tragic deaths, they understand why these incidents are not happening with many Americans, including immigrant communities.

So Democrats are left with malicious stories and selective cop hate, and ultimately show no concern for legal immigrants and citizens hurt, even killed, by illegals.

Such a strange hill to die on.

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There is nothing measured or restrained about the current approach. The administration openly admits that isn't their intention. That's how you end up with a situation where a 6 man tactical team is used to round up a non violent non felon Uber Driver that overstayed a visa. We killed an American citizen in the process. These are military tactics used for domestic enforcement and intentional intimidation.

---

I noticed you still ignore the problem of non-cooperation, often interference, from certain local and county officials (Democrats, of course), working to prevent LEO coordination.

Why do you hide that part?

Almost as dishonest as the lie that this is not about the illegals,

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It doesn't happen if they're not pursuing Chuma doing their job and just act like Democrats.

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Corrected.

And apparently you are a fan of local LEO ignoring the illegals problem.

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You would defend anything this administration does so the facts of the situation are of no concern to you. Again, we sent a tactical team to pursue a non violent non felon who had already been detained and released during the first Trump admin and was in visa review status. Not MS-13, not Tren de Aragua, not murderers, not traffickers, but a damn Uber/Lyft driver.

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Sort of like the early morning raids on the grandparents that wonder through the capital on Jan 6th.

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Maybe you forgot all the times I argued about how Jan 6 wasn't an insurrection. Some of us, unlike OB, apply principles to all parties, not excuse them because the other guy did it.

---

I see Hypocrisy has entered the chat.

The current situation regarding enforcement of deportation laws is frankly unprecedented. All those comparisons between how ICE acted under Obama and now ignore the fact that under Obama local and state officials did not stand in the way, did not oppose, the enforcement of law. ICE agents were able to act in cooperation with other agencies, something the Left has actively opposed in the current term.

All these hypocrites who go after ICE now like to pretend they are using principles, even as they ignore the different conditions, the active hostility - Good and Pritti would be alive today if they were not militant antagonists of the federal agents, and the very selective media spin all matter in this day and place.

Those self-righteous critics must sure be limber, to pat their backs so much even as they throw dung at agents doing a stressful and dangerous job that voters demanded.

---

This isn't hypocrisy because there is simply no comparison.

The job became significantly more dangerous because of how this administration chose to conduct it. Under Obama, ICE worked quietly through local jail pipelines to target individuals with violent criminal records. This administration chose to deploy masked, tactical units into civilian neighborhoods using unmarked cars and decoy stickers without regard for whether the target was a violent felon or simply illegal. And they didn't seek cooperation, they just did it.

Dropping a mass net into dense urban neighborhoods for street-level sweeps creates chaos and dramatically raises the danger for agents, targets, and bystanders alike. That operational choice is what is unprecedented.

---

ICE helicoptered into the south side of Chicago and took over an apartment building placing citizen children onto zip ties until they confirmed their status.

This is why people are anti ICE. It's the tactics not the mission.

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Whatever tactics are deemed appropriate, if you're a law abiding legal citizen you've got nothing to worry about, now do you?

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There was a 17 year old kid at work at Target. ICE came into the store (he was at work) grabbed him. Drove him miles away. Verified his citizenship (he was carrying his passport) and dumped him where they were.

Yes, you have to be worried about. Law abiding isn't enough.

If this were honorable, they'd do it unmasked.

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Why? So you and the other goons can hunt them down? Intimidate them so that they won't do their job of getting rid of the trespassers?

Talk about hypocrisy

But anti ice liberal fools can wear masks during protest?

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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J.R. said:

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While I give the Piggy Admin credit for border security as that was by far the best thing he has done. Now, this ICE chit shooting people dead in our streets (one was the wrong guy). These people had work permits and were the type of immigrants we want and need.(legally). So, we just shoot them dead in the street. One was killed by an "agent" shooting indescrimanately into the windshield of the car which is not protocol in any circumstances except for imminent death threat. The HAS to STOP. Oh, no, Piggy doubled down and cranked it back up. Anyone think this is ok? Biden didn't have anything to do with it.

---

Congress almost passed immigration reform but didn't because Trump wanted the politics. There is always an orderly solution that Trump dismisses.

It's more than trigger happy for me. The fact that ICE is routinely stopping minorities without cause and terrorizing them is unacceptable. And even more, it's ineffective.

---

Bull-hit. That bill would have codified the Biden practice of flooding the country with illegals. The other part was an Ukraine funding bill.

Don't bring weak ass -hit here.

---

So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not. It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly. (Funny thing, 2A folks argue we all need guns for this exact situation)

"Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular.

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** sigh **

SO much wrong in that post. OK, by point then:

"So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not."

So right from the start, you introduced the room to the retrospective determinism fallacy. The immigration problem is more than a half-century old, and some Congresses and Presidents have actually made things worse in scope and character. The actions by ICE and the DHS are overdue and for the most part restrained.


" It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly."

That's the DNC spin and not winning over most anyone else. Frankly, the Democrats never seemed to grasp the growing public anger about illegals in gangs and the drug flow they brought - the 'Maryland Man' issue worked against the Democrats, and may still be hurting them as we approach the midterms.

" "Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular."

The Democrats never seem to tire of false Nazi analogies. It's old, stale, and only hard-boiled haters still buy it. The fact is that while most Americans are unhappy with the tragic deaths, they understand why these incidents are not happening with many Americans, including immigrant communities.

So Democrats are left with malicious stories and selective cop hate, and ultimately show no concern for legal immigrants and citizens hurt, even killed, by illegals.

Such a strange hill to die on.

---

There is nothing measured or restrained about the current approach. The administration openly admits that isn't their intention. That's how you end up with a situation where a 6 man tactical team is used to round up a non violent non felon Uber Driver that overstayed a visa. We killed an American citizen in the process. These are military tactics used for domestic enforcement and intentional intimidation.

---

I noticed you still ignore the problem of non-cooperation, often interference, from certain local and county officials (Democrats, of course), working to prevent LEO coordination.

Why do you hide that part?

Almost as dishonest as the lie that this is not about the illegals,

---

It doesn't happen if they're not pursuing Chuma doing their job and just act like Democrats.

---

Corrected.

And apparently you are a fan of local LEO ignoring the illegals problem.

---

You would defend anything this administration does so the facts of the situation are of no concern to you. Again, we sent a tactical team to pursue a non violent non felon who had already been detained and released during the first Trump admin and was in visa review status. Not MS-13, not Tren de Aragua, not murderers, not traffickers, but a damn Uber/Lyft driver.

---

Sort of like the early morning raids on the grandparents that wonder through the capital on Jan 6th.

---

Maybe you forgot all the times I argued about how Jan 6 wasn't an insurrection. Some of us, unlike OB, apply principles to all parties, not excuse them because the other guy did it.

---

I see Hypocrisy has entered the chat.

The current situation regarding enforcement of deportation laws is frankly unprecedented. All those comparisons between how ICE acted under Obama and now ignore the fact that under Obama local and state officials did not stand in the way, did not oppose, the enforcement of law. ICE agents were able to act in cooperation with other agencies, something the Left has actively opposed in the current term.

All these hypocrites who go after ICE now like to pretend they are using principles, even as they ignore the different conditions, the active hostility - Good and Pritti would be alive today if they were not militant antagonists of the federal agents, and the very selective media spin all matter in this day and place.

Those self-righteous critics must sure be limber, to pat their backs so much even as they throw dung at agents doing a stressful and dangerous job that voters demanded.

---

This isn't hypocrisy because there is simply no comparison.

The job became significantly more dangerous because of how this administration chose to conduct it. Under Obama, ICE worked quietly through local jail pipelines to target individuals with violent criminal records. This administration chose to deploy masked, tactical units into civilian neighborhoods using unmarked cars and decoy stickers without regard for whether the target was a violent felon or simply illegal. And they didn't seek cooperation, they just did it.

Dropping a mass net into dense urban neighborhoods for street-level sweeps creates chaos and dramatically raises the danger for agents, targets, and bystanders alike. That operational choice is what is unprecedented.

---

ICE helicoptered into the south side of Chicago and took over an apartment building placing citizen children onto zip ties until they confirmed their status.

This is why people are anti ICE. It's the tactics not the mission.

---

Whatever tactics are deemed appropriate, if you're a law abiding legal citizen you've got nothing to worry about, now do you?

---

There was a 17 year old kid at work at Target. ICE came into the store (he was at work) grabbed him. Drove him miles away. Verified his citizenship (he was carrying his passport) and dumped him where they were.

Yes, you have to be worried about. Law abiding isn't enough.

If this were honorable, they'd do it unmasked.

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Honor or dishonor has nothing to do with why they mask. You know as well as anyone else why they mask.

Lefties aren't that bright

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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J.R. said:

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While I give the Piggy Admin credit for border security as that was by far the best thing he has done. Now, this ICE chit shooting people dead in our streets (one was the wrong guy). These people had work permits and were the type of immigrants we want and need.(legally). So, we just shoot them dead in the street. One was killed by an "agent" shooting indescrimanately into the windshield of the car which is not protocol in any circumstances except for imminent death threat. The HAS to STOP. Oh, no, Piggy doubled down and cranked it back up. Anyone think this is ok? Biden didn't have anything to do with it.

---

Congress almost passed immigration reform but didn't because Trump wanted the politics. There is always an orderly solution that Trump dismisses.

It's more than trigger happy for me. The fact that ICE is routinely stopping minorities without cause and terrorizing them is unacceptable. And even more, it's ineffective.

---

Bull-hit. That bill would have codified the Biden practice of flooding the country with illegals. The other part was an Ukraine funding bill.

Don't bring weak ass -hit here.

---

So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not. It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly. (Funny thing, 2A folks argue we all need guns for this exact situation)

"Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular.

---

** sigh **

SO much wrong in that post. OK, by point then:

"So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not."

So right from the start, you introduced the room to the retrospective determinism fallacy. The immigration problem is more than a half-century old, and some Congresses and Presidents have actually made things worse in scope and character. The actions by ICE and the DHS are overdue and for the most part restrained.


" It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly."

That's the DNC spin and not winning over most anyone else. Frankly, the Democrats never seemed to grasp the growing public anger about illegals in gangs and the drug flow they brought - the 'Maryland Man' issue worked against the Democrats, and may still be hurting them as we approach the midterms.

" "Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular."

The Democrats never seem to tire of false Nazi analogies. It's old, stale, and only hard-boiled haters still buy it. The fact is that while most Americans are unhappy with the tragic deaths, they understand why these incidents are not happening with many Americans, including immigrant communities.

So Democrats are left with malicious stories and selective cop hate, and ultimately show no concern for legal immigrants and citizens hurt, even killed, by illegals.

Such a strange hill to die on.

---

There is nothing measured or restrained about the current approach. The administration openly admits that isn't their intention. That's how you end up with a situation where a 6 man tactical team is used to round up a non violent non felon Uber Driver that overstayed a visa. We killed an American citizen in the process. These are military tactics used for domestic enforcement and intentional intimidation.

---

I noticed you still ignore the problem of non-cooperation, often interference, from certain local and county officials (Democrats, of course), working to prevent LEO coordination.

Why do you hide that part?

Almost as dishonest as the lie that this is not about the illegals,

---

It doesn't happen if they're not pursuing Chuma doing their job and just act like Democrats.

---

Corrected.

And apparently you are a fan of local LEO ignoring the illegals problem.

---

You would defend anything this administration does so the facts of the situation are of no concern to you. Again, we sent a tactical team to pursue a non violent non felon who had already been detained and released during the first Trump admin and was in visa review status. Not MS-13, not Tren de Aragua, not murderers, not traffickers, but a damn Uber/Lyft driver.

---

Sort of like the early morning raids on the grandparents that wonder through the capital on Jan 6th.

---

Maybe you forgot all the times I argued about how Jan 6 wasn't an insurrection. Some of us, unlike OB, apply principles to all parties, not excuse them because the other guy did it.

---

I see Hypocrisy has entered the chat.

The current situation regarding enforcement of deportation laws is frankly unprecedented. All those comparisons between how ICE acted under Obama and now ignore the fact that under Obama local and state officials did not stand in the way, did not oppose, the enforcement of law. ICE agents were able to act in cooperation with other agencies, something the Left has actively opposed in the current term.

All these hypocrites who go after ICE now like to pretend they are using principles, even as they ignore the different conditions, the active hostility - Good and Pritti would be alive today if they were not militant antagonists of the federal agents, and the very selective media spin all matter in this day and place.

Those self-righteous critics must sure be limber, to pat their backs so much even as they throw dung at agents doing a stressful and dangerous job that voters demanded.

---

This isn't hypocrisy because there is simply no comparison.

The job became significantly more dangerous because of how this administration chose to conduct it. Under Obama, ICE worked quietly through local jail pipelines to target individuals with violent criminal records. This administration chose to deploy masked, tactical units into civilian neighborhoods using unmarked cars and decoy stickers without regard for whether the target was a violent felon or simply illegal. And they didn't seek cooperation, they just did it.

Dropping a mass net into dense urban neighborhoods for street-level sweeps creates chaos and dramatically raises the danger for agents, targets, and bystanders alike. That operational choice is what is unprecedented.

---

ICE helicoptered into the south side of Chicago and took over an apartment building placing citizen children onto zip ties until they confirmed their status.

This is why people are anti ICE. It's the tactics not the mission.

---

Whatever tactics are deemed appropriate, if you're a law abiding legal citizen you've got nothing to worry about, now do you?

---

There was a 17 year old kid at work at Target. ICE came into the store (he was at work) grabbed him. Drove him miles away. Verified his citizenship (he was carrying his passport) and dumped him where they were.

Yes, you have to be worried about. Law abiding isn't enough.

If this were honorable, they'd do it unmasked.

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Honor or dishonor has nothing to do with why they mask. You know as well as anyone else why they mask.

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Every job has a line with honor and dishonor. If, as you suggest, they are masked because "of the public" then every police officer should also mask. They face the same challenges.

Again, it's the tactics. I have a family full of peace officers. I've been pulled over more than I liked. I've probably even been racially profiled.

I've never been snatched up and forced to show my papers because of my skin.

I'm not blaming them. I do believe the fear and terror is intentional. I've made sure all my Latino relatives have passports. They think I'm crazy. I'm not.

This is one dishonest and a half post.

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ATL Bear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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J.R. said:

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While I give the Piggy Admin credit for border security as that was by far the best thing he has done. Now, this ICE chit shooting people dead in our streets (one was the wrong guy). These people had work permits and were the type of immigrants we want and need.(legally). So, we just shoot them dead in the street. One was killed by an "agent" shooting indescrimanately into the windshield of the car which is not protocol in any circumstances except for imminent death threat. The HAS to STOP. Oh, no, Piggy doubled down and cranked it back up. Anyone think this is ok? Biden didn't have anything to do with it.

---

Congress almost passed immigration reform but didn't because Trump wanted the politics. There is always an orderly solution that Trump dismisses.

It's more than trigger happy for me. The fact that ICE is routinely stopping minorities without cause and terrorizing them is unacceptable. And even more, it's ineffective.

---

Bull-hit. That bill would have codified the Biden practice of flooding the country with illegals. The other part was an Ukraine funding bill.

Don't bring weak ass -hit here.

---

So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not. It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly. (Funny thing, 2A folks argue we all need guns for this exact situation)

"Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular.

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** sigh **

SO much wrong in that post. OK, by point then:

"So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not."

So right from the start, you introduced the room to the retrospective determinism fallacy. The immigration problem is more than a half-century old, and some Congresses and Presidents have actually made things worse in scope and character. The actions by ICE and the DHS are overdue and for the most part restrained.


" It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly."

That's the DNC spin and not winning over most anyone else. Frankly, the Democrats never seemed to grasp the growing public anger about illegals in gangs and the drug flow they brought - the 'Maryland Man' issue worked against the Democrats, and may still be hurting them as we approach the midterms.

" "Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular."

The Democrats never seem to tire of false Nazi analogies. It's old, stale, and only hard-boiled haters still buy it. The fact is that while most Americans are unhappy with the tragic deaths, they understand why these incidents are not happening with many Americans, including immigrant communities.

So Democrats are left with malicious stories and selective cop hate, and ultimately show no concern for legal immigrants and citizens hurt, even killed, by illegals.

Such a strange hill to die on.

---

There is nothing measured or restrained about the current approach. The administration openly admits that isn't their intention. That's how you end up with a situation where a 6 man tactical team is used to round up a non violent non felon Uber Driver that overstayed a visa. We killed an American citizen in the process. These are military tactics used for domestic enforcement and intentional intimidation.

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I noticed you still ignore the problem of non-cooperation, often interference, from certain local and county officials (Democrats, of course), working to prevent LEO coordination.

Why do you hide that part?

Almost as dishonest as the lie that this is not about the illegals,

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It doesn't happen if they're not pursuing Chuma doing their job and just act like Democrats.

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Corrected.

And apparently you are a fan of local LEO ignoring the illegals problem.

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You would defend anything this administration does so the facts of the situation are of no concern to you. Again, we sent a tactical team to pursue a non violent non felon who had already been detained and released during the first Trump admin and was in visa review status. Not MS-13, not Tren de Aragua, not murderers, not traffickers, but a damn Uber/Lyft driver.

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Sort of like the early morning raids on the grandparents that wonder through the capital on Jan 6th.

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Maybe you forgot all the times I argued about how Jan 6 wasn't an insurrection. Some of us, unlike OB, apply principles to all parties, not excuse them because the other guy did it.

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I see Hypocrisy has entered the chat.

The current situation regarding enforcement of deportation laws is frankly unprecedented. All those comparisons between how ICE acted under Obama and now ignore the fact that under Obama local and state officials did not stand in the way, did not oppose, the enforcement of law. ICE agents were able to act in cooperation with other agencies, something the Left has actively opposed in the current term.

All these hypocrites who go after ICE now like to pretend they are using principles, even as they ignore the different conditions, the active hostility - Good and Pritti would be alive today if they were not militant antagonists of the federal agents, and the very selective media spin all matter in this day and place.

Those self-righteous critics must sure be limber, to pat their backs so much even as they throw dung at agents doing a stressful and dangerous job that voters demanded.

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This isn't hypocrisy because there is simply no comparison.

The job became significantly more dangerous because of how this administration chose to conduct it. Under Obama, ICE worked quietly through local jail pipelines to target individuals with violent criminal records. This administration chose to deploy masked, tactical units into civilian neighborhoods using unmarked cars and decoy stickers without regard for whether the target was a violent felon or simply illegal. And they didn't seek cooperation, they just did it.

Dropping a mass net into dense urban neighborhoods for street-level sweeps creates chaos and dramatically raises the danger for agents, targets, and bystanders alike. That operational choice is what is unprecedented.

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ICE helicoptered into the south side of Chicago and took over an apartment building placing citizen children onto zip ties until they confirmed their status.

This is why people are anti ICE. It's the tactics not the mission.

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Whatever tactics are deemed appropriate, if you're a law abiding legal citizen you've got nothing to worry about, now do you?

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If this were honorable, they'd do it unmasked.

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You could say the same thing about rioters, looters, and even protesters. If your cause is honorable and protesting peaceful, why would you need or want to hide your identity?

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Some of you Trumpians are missing the point. Disobeying a traffic law does not constitute anything remotely close to the untrained, Jack Booted Thugs willfully gunning down people in our streets . "This aggression will not stand, Man" The Dude! Seriously, this is serious, serious problem. This cannot be sanctioned in any way. Maybe , one of those thugs should turn the gun on Piggy and Stephen Miller.

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Come on man, it's ok to hate on Trump, there is plenty of disdain for Trump in my own household, this bull**** isn't ok.

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stand by it. These 2 kill people, send kids to die and don't give a chit! Disgusting people.

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This liberal woman from Portland, ME, claims she couldn’t enjoy her child’s graduation because… WAIT FOR IT… she had to go outside to patrol the parking lot for ICE vehicles that might be there to detain illegals.

I have no words left for how mentally damaged these people are! pic.twitter.com/ODBABgJLs1

— Based Bandita (@BasedBandita) June 22, 2026

You never had lunatics doing this during the Osama Bin Laden Era.


TDS has driven many of these people to do absolutely brain dead shyte like this woman

But this is a microcosm as to why people are dying

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Is that little jr ?

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While I give the Piggy Admin credit for border security as that was by far the best thing he has done. Now, this ICE chit shooting people dead in our streets (one was the wrong guy). These people had work permits and were the type of immigrants we want and need.(legally). So, we just shoot them dead in the street. One was killed by an "agent" shooting indescrimanately into the windshield of the car which is not protocol in any circumstances except for imminent death threat. The HAS to STOP. Oh, no, Piggy doubled down and cranked it back up. Anyone think this is ok? Biden didn't have anything to do with it.

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Congress almost passed immigration reform but didn't because Trump wanted the politics. There is always an orderly solution that Trump dismisses.

It's more than trigger happy for me. The fact that ICE is routinely stopping minorities without cause and terrorizing them is unacceptable. And even more, it's ineffective.

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Bull-hit. That bill would have codified the Biden practice of flooding the country with illegals. The other part was an Ukraine funding bill.

Don't bring weak ass -hit here.

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So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not. It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly. (Funny thing, 2A folks argue we all need guns for this exact situation)

"Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular.

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** sigh **

SO much wrong in that post. OK, by point then:

"So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not."

So right from the start, you introduced the room to the retrospective determinism fallacy. The immigration problem is more than a half-century old, and some Congresses and Presidents have actually made things worse in scope and character. The actions by ICE and the DHS are overdue and for the most part restrained.


" It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly."

That's the DNC spin and not winning over most anyone else. Frankly, the Democrats never seemed to grasp the growing public anger about illegals in gangs and the drug flow they brought - the 'Maryland Man' issue worked against the Democrats, and may still be hurting them as we approach the midterms.

" "Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular."

The Democrats never seem to tire of false Nazi analogies. It's old, stale, and only hard-boiled haters still buy it. The fact is that while most Americans are unhappy with the tragic deaths, they understand why these incidents are not happening with many Americans, including immigrant communities.

So Democrats are left with malicious stories and selective cop hate, and ultimately show no concern for legal immigrants and citizens hurt, even killed, by illegals.

Such a strange hill to die on.

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There is nothing measured or restrained about the current approach. The administration openly admits that isn't their intention. That's how you end up with a situation where a 6 man tactical team is used to round up a non violent non felon Uber Driver that overstayed a visa. We killed an American citizen in the process. These are military tactics used for domestic enforcement and intentional intimidation.

---

I noticed you still ignore the problem of non-cooperation, often interference, from certain local and county officials (Democrats, of course), working to prevent LEO coordination.

Why do you hide that part?

Almost as dishonest as the lie that this is not about the illegals,

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It doesn't happen if they're not pursuing Chuma doing their job and just act like Democrats.

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Corrected.

And apparently you are a fan of local LEO ignoring the illegals problem.

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You would defend anything this administration does so the facts of the situation are of no concern to you. Again, we sent a tactical team to pursue a non violent non felon who had already been detained and released during the first Trump admin and was in visa review status. Not MS-13, not Tren de Aragua, not murderers, not traffickers, but a damn Uber/Lyft driver.

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Sort of like the early morning raids on the grandparents that wonder through the capital on Jan 6th.

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Maybe you forgot all the times I argued about how Jan 6 wasn't an insurrection. Some of us, unlike OB, apply principles to all parties, not excuse them because the other guy did it.

---

I see Hypocrisy has entered the chat.

The current situation regarding enforcement of deportation laws is frankly unprecedented. All those comparisons between how ICE acted under Obama and now ignore the fact that under Obama local and state officials did not stand in the way, did not oppose, the enforcement of law. ICE agents were able to act in cooperation with other agencies, something the Left has actively opposed in the current term.

All these hypocrites who go after ICE now like to pretend they are using principles, even as they ignore the different conditions, the active hostility - Good and Pritti would be alive today if they were not militant antagonists of the federal agents, and the very selective media spin all matter in this day and place.

Those self-righteous critics must sure be limber, to pat their backs so much even as they throw dung at agents doing a stressful and dangerous job that voters demanded.

---

This isn't hypocrisy because there is simply no comparison.

The job became significantly more dangerous because of how this administration chose to conduct it. Under Obama, ICE worked quietly through local jail pipelines to target individuals with violent criminal records. This administration chose to deploy masked, tactical units into civilian neighborhoods using unmarked cars and decoy stickers without regard for whether the target was a violent felon or simply illegal. And they didn't seek cooperation, they just did it.

Dropping a mass net into dense urban neighborhoods for street-level sweeps creates chaos and dramatically raises the danger for agents, targets, and bystanders alike. That operational choice is what is unprecedented.

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ICE helicoptered into the south side of Chicago and took over an apartment building placing citizen children onto zip ties until they confirmed their status.

This is why people are anti ICE. It's the tactics not the mission.

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Whatever tactics are deemed appropriate, if you're a law abiding legal citizen you've got nothing to worry about, now do you?

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If this were honorable, they'd do it unmasked.

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You could say the same thing about rioters, looters, and even protesters. If your cause is honorable and protesting peaceful, why would you need or want to hide your identity?

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Absolutely!

with liberals, it is never out of the question

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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ATL Bear said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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ATL Bear said:

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Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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J.R. said:

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While I give the Piggy Admin credit for border security as that was by far the best thing he has done. Now, this ICE chit shooting people dead in our streets (one was the wrong guy). These people had work permits and were the type of immigrants we want and need.(legally). So, we just shoot them dead in the street. One was killed by an "agent" shooting indescrimanately into the windshield of the car which is not protocol in any circumstances except for imminent death threat. The HAS to STOP. Oh, no, Piggy doubled down and cranked it back up. Anyone think this is ok? Biden didn't have anything to do with it.

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Congress almost passed immigration reform but didn't because Trump wanted the politics. There is always an orderly solution that Trump dismisses.

It's more than trigger happy for me. The fact that ICE is routinely stopping minorities without cause and terrorizing them is unacceptable. And even more, it's ineffective.

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Bull-hit. That bill would have codified the Biden practice of flooding the country with illegals. The other part was an Ukraine funding bill.

Don't bring weak ass -hit here.

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So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not. It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly. (Funny thing, 2A folks argue we all need guns for this exact situation)

"Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular.

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** sigh **

SO much wrong in that post. OK, by point then:

"So, is the immigration problem solved? It's not."

So right from the start, you introduced the room to the retrospective determinism fallacy. The immigration problem is more than a half-century old, and some Congresses and Presidents have actually made things worse in scope and character. The actions by ICE and the DHS are overdue and for the most part restrained.


" It's just added chaos onto our streets. It still has to be addressed. Why? Because we do expect orderly."

That's the DNC spin and not winning over most anyone else. Frankly, the Democrats never seemed to grasp the growing public anger about illegals in gangs and the drug flow they brought - the 'Maryland Man' issue worked against the Democrats, and may still be hurting them as we approach the midterms.

" "Show your papers, minorities" doesn't work for most of us. It's why ICE is unpopular."

The Democrats never seem to tire of false Nazi analogies. It's old, stale, and only hard-boiled haters still buy it. The fact is that while most Americans are unhappy with the tragic deaths, they understand why these incidents are not happening with many Americans, including immigrant communities.

So Democrats are left with malicious stories and selective cop hate, and ultimately show no concern for legal immigrants and citizens hurt, even killed, by illegals.

Such a strange hill to die on.

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There is nothing measured or restrained about the current approach. The administration openly admits that isn't their intention. That's how you end up with a situation where a 6 man tactical team is used to round up a non violent non felon Uber Driver that overstayed a visa. We killed an American citizen in the process. These are military tactics used for domestic enforcement and intentional intimidation.

---

I noticed you still ignore the problem of non-cooperation, often interference, from certain local and county officials (Democrats, of course), working to prevent LEO coordination.

Why do you hide that part?

Almost as dishonest as the lie that this is not about the illegals,

---

It doesn't happen if they're not pursuing Chuma doing their job and just act like Democrats.

---

Corrected.

And apparently you are a fan of local LEO ignoring the illegals problem.

---

You would defend anything this administration does so the facts of the situation are of no concern to you. Again, we sent a tactical team to pursue a non violent non felon who had already been detained and released during the first Trump admin and was in visa review status. Not MS-13, not Tren de Aragua, not murderers, not traffickers, but a damn Uber/Lyft driver.

---

Sort of like the early morning raids on the grandparents that wonder through the capital on Jan 6th.

---

Maybe you forgot all the times I argued about how Jan 6 wasn't an insurrection. Some of us, unlike OB, apply principles to all parties, not excuse them because the other guy did it.

---

I see Hypocrisy has entered the chat.

The current situation regarding enforcement of deportation laws is frankly unprecedented. All those comparisons between how ICE acted under Obama and now ignore the fact that under Obama local and state officials did not stand in the way, did not oppose, the enforcement of law. ICE agents were able to act in cooperation with other agencies, something the Left has actively opposed in the current term.

All these hypocrites who go after ICE now like to pretend they are using principles, even as they ignore the different conditions, the active hostility - Good and Pritti would be alive today if they were not militant antagonists of the federal agents, and the very selective media spin all matter in this day and place.

Those self-righteous critics must sure be limber, to pat their backs so much even as they throw dung at agents doing a stressful and dangerous job that voters demanded.

---

This isn't hypocrisy because there is simply no comparison.

The job became significantly more dangerous because of how this administration chose to conduct it. Under Obama, ICE worked quietly through local jail pipelines to target individuals with violent criminal records. This administration chose to deploy masked, tactical units into civilian neighborhoods using unmarked cars and decoy stickers without regard for whether the target was a violent felon or simply illegal. And they didn't seek cooperation, they just did it.

Dropping a mass net into dense urban neighborhoods for street-level sweeps creates chaos and dramatically raises the danger for agents, targets, and bystanders alike. That operational choice is what is unprecedented.

---

ICE helicoptered into the south side of Chicago and took over an apartment building placing citizen children onto zip ties until they confirmed their status.

This is why people are anti ICE. It's the tactics not the mission.

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Whatever tactics are deemed appropriate, if you're a law abiding legal citizen you've got nothing to worry about, now do you?

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There was a 17 year old kid at work at Target. ICE came into the store (he was at work) grabbed him. Drove him miles away. Verified his citizenship (he was carrying his passport) and dumped him where they were.

Yes, you have to be worried about. Law abiding isn't enough.

If this were honorable, they'd do it unmasked.

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Can you LWNJs decide whether or not "no one is above the law" and if masks are good or bad ... keeping up with you idiots' constantly changing reality is exhausting ... Sonny Hostin you are.