FLBear5630 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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I asked my friend Google if Invermectin is proven to be an effective treatment for Covid 19 and the answer is No.

Can you publish links to studies that prove otherwise?

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Seems to be hit or miss, some said it helped others not.


Effect of Early Treatment with Ivermectin among Patients with Covid-19 | New England Journal of Medicine

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That's really the root of the issue ... there seems to be mixed reviews of it and hydroxychloroquine, but the appropriate response always should have been "why not try it" vs. active suppression of diverse views. By definition science requires curiosity and experimentation and contemplation of possibilities not rigid trial by politics and TDS.

muddybrazos said:

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I work for a medical practice so I had ivermectin prescribed and ready to go when I got covid. I came down with it on Christmas day 2021. I had my flight booked for Nola the ffollowing Friday to go to the Sugar Bowl. I started taking the ivermectin immediately and was over it in 3 days. It was barely a cold.

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The same thing happened to me without taking Ivermectin. Many, many Covid cases were not severe.

Same here. Mine was mild.

I am not saying one way or another. For an individual person, I agree wholeheartedly. For National Policy? The standard may differ. Your Doctor is looking at 1 individual and it may be perfectly ok. He knows you and the risk. Fauci was looking at policy for 360M, his recommendations should have been more conservative.

So, I don't hold him responsible. He made the best decision he could with the information he had at the time. I learned in the military not to question the decision line units make under duress. He was on the line, not me.

Sam Lowry said:

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Realitybites said:

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Guy Noir said:

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I asked my friend Google if Invermectin is proven to be an effective treatment for Covid 19 and the answer is No.

Can you publish links to studies that prove otherwise?

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I can't speak specifically regarding Ivermectin as I caught Covid early and treated myself with the HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc cocktail. I added low dose aspirin because I was already seeing signs of the spike protein being a procoagulant. So I haven't looked specifically at that.

The mechanism for using that cocktail when administered *early* in the outpatient setting to prevent the progression to ARDS is known and Henry Ford had one of the early studies out regarding that.

Before pharmacists started refusing to fill HCQ prescriptions, I was able to treat quite a few Covid patients successfully using that combination of medications.

Those of you who don't have medical training and still believe that the FDA, CDC, and pharmaceutical companies are somehow benevolent or are otherwise working in your best interest need to adjust your thinking. There is a very real effort in the medical field to replace Hippocratic physicians with providers who will put their brains in neutral and mindlessly follow public health dictates.

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I believe there were various mechanisms postulated, none actually known, and the benefits didn't pan out in later studies.

I'm all for off-label prescriptions up to a point. But some states required pharmacies to stop filling them out of concern over excessive stockpiling. There are people who need HCQ for its approved uses.

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You're incorrect about it not working.

"A total of 43 reports were found that examined HCQ treatment for COVID-19 patients. Twenty-five reported positive clinical efficacy from providing HCQ to for COVID-19 patients; 15 showed no improvement with HCQ and three showed worse clinical results in patients who received HCQ....Several studies showing negative efficacy have been withdrawn as a result of methodologic problems."

Efficacy Table

Early outpatient treatment was always the key. Once a patient had progressed to ARDS was in the ICU or on a vent, it was too late.

Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19: a systematic review

Harrison Bergeron said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Guy Noir said:

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I asked my friend Google if Invermectin is proven to be an effective treatment for Covid 19 and the answer is No.

Can you publish links to studies that prove otherwise?

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Seems to be hit or miss, some said it helped others not.


Effect of Early Treatment with Ivermectin among Patients with Covid-19 | New England Journal of Medicine

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That's really the root of the issue ... there seems to be mixed reviews of it and hydroxychloroquine, but the appropriate response always should have been "why not try it" vs. active suppression of diverse views. By definition science requires curiosity and experimentation and contemplation of possibilities not rigid trial by politics and TDS.

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An emergency approval of an experimental 'vaccine' required active suppression of any alternatives.

It was never about saving lives - it was always about Big Pharma $.

Realitybites said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Realitybites said:

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Guy Noir said:

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I asked my friend Google if Invermectin is proven to be an effective treatment for Covid 19 and the answer is No.

Can you publish links to studies that prove otherwise?

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I can't speak specifically regarding Ivermectin as I caught Covid early and treated myself with the HCQ/Azithromycin/Zinc cocktail. I added low dose aspirin because I was already seeing signs of the spike protein being a procoagulant. So I haven't looked specifically at that.

The mechanism for using that cocktail when administered *early* in the outpatient setting to prevent the progression to ARDS is known and Henry Ford had one of the early studies out regarding that.

Before pharmacists started refusing to fill HCQ prescriptions, I was able to treat quite a few Covid patients successfully using that combination of medications.

Those of you who don't have medical training and still believe that the FDA, CDC, and pharmaceutical companies are somehow benevolent or are otherwise working in your best interest need to adjust your thinking. There is a very real effort in the medical field to replace Hippocratic physicians with providers who will put their brains in neutral and mindlessly follow public health dictates.

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I believe there were various mechanisms postulated, none actually known, and the benefits didn't pan out in later studies.

I'm all for off-label prescriptions up to a point. But some states required pharmacies to stop filling them out of concern over excessive stockpiling. There are people who need HCQ for its approved uses.

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You're incorrect about it not working.

"A total of 43 reports were found that examined HCQ treatment for COVID-19 patients. Twenty-five reported positive clinical efficacy from providing HCQ to for COVID-19 patients; 15 showed no improvement with HCQ and three showed worse clinical results in patients who received HCQ....Several studies showing negative efficacy have been withdrawn as a result of methodologic problems."

Efficacy Table

Early outpatient treatment was always the key. Once a patient had progressed to ARDS was in the ICU or on a vent, it was too late.

Hydroxychloroquine is effective, and consistently so when provided early, for COVID-19: a systematic review

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That's another very early analysis based mostly on observational studies.