The dangers of Flock cameras spying on us

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Osodecentx
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historian said:

Those videos are not used to spy on people. Big Brother is not watching them.


Store videos used to prove shoplifting. You are under video surveillance from the moment you enter. There are many video cameras on streets, e.g Mangione video assassinating the CEO IN NYC
Oldbear83
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historian said:

Those videos are not used to spy on people. Big Brother is not watching them.


Not sure what was your point there. There have already been clear abuses of Flock cameras, and no shortage of new dangers that need to be guarded against.
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historian
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You are talking about security cameras in a privately owned business being used for a legitimate purpose. It's not a government system spying on people, watching everything they do, tracking their movements, and basically acting like Orwell's Big Brother.
historian
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My point is about the government spying on people and violating our 4th amendment rights.
Sam Lowry
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I may be starting to like these Flock cameras. I never thought I'd see anything that could make the 4th Amendment popular on SicEm.
boognish_bear
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muddybrazos
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historian said:

You are talking about security cameras in a privately owned business being used for a legitimate purpose. It's not a government system spying on people, watching everything they do, tracking their movements, and basically acting like Orwell's Big Brother.

So you're saying its ok for the govt to outsource the spying to Flock, Palantir or google as long as they arent doing the spying themselves. So a surveillance state is fine as long as its a private one.
historian
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I never said anything of the kind. Nobody has the right to spy on us while we are going about our business in public spaces.

Private businesses do have the right to use security cameras to protect themselves. They should act as a deterrent to shoplifters and other criminals. But the criminals must be prosecuted and punished.
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A lot of people in the comments coming up with alibis for these guys

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boognish_bear said:



Wish Desantis was governor of Texas
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muddybrazos
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BylrFan said:

boognish_bear said:



Wish Desantis was governor of Texas

Maybe he could be now that his 3 terms are over.
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Osodecentx said:

Tyler Robinson, Luigi Mangione, & criminals everywhere oppose Flock cameras. I wonder why?


George Washington and the rest of the founding fathers oppose them as well. So since there is a large bipartisan spectrum of opposition to these things across society and history...who exactly wants them?

Americans are not going to tolerate a CCP level of surveillance of their lives just because .gov decided it can circumvent the constitution by outsourcing it to the private sector.

At least I hope we won't.
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historian
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A list of blue cities doing something is not going to convince red cities they should do the same. The list should have included a few more red cities. It might have a larger impact.
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boognish_bear said:


315 outside searches to 1 PD search.

Who are the criminals?

Is it the entities running searches under false pretenses?
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Without comment on the issue -

The Government has had cameras everywhere for a very long time. Every toll road is loaded with them. Every government building (inside and out) is covered with them. High accident intersections have them. Neighborhoods put them up to reduce crime. Etc.

Regardless, I find the people cutting them down to be a little be wacky. You cut the camera down to protect your privacy - fine, but you voluntarily put in your pocket the greatest surveillance tool every invented - your phone.
LIB,MR BEARS
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GrowlTowel said:

Without comment on the issue -

The Government has had cameras everywhere for a very long time. Every toll road is loaded with them. Every government building (inside and out) is covered with them. High accident intersections have them. Neighborhoods put them up to reduce crime. Etc.

Regardless, I find the people cutting them down to be a little be wacky. You cut the camera down to protect your privacy - fine, but you voluntarily put in your pocket the greatest surveillance tool every invented - your phone.


"Willingly" = option

GPS tracking can be toggled off/on= option

Apps = options



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LIB,MR BEARS said:

GrowlTowel said:

Without comment on the issue -

The Government has had cameras everywhere for a very long time. Every toll road is loaded with them. Every government building (inside and out) is covered with them. High accident intersections have them. Neighborhoods put them up to reduce crime. Etc.

Regardless, I find the people cutting them down to be a little be wacky. You cut the camera down to protect your privacy - fine, but you voluntarily put in your pocket the greatest surveillance tool every invented - your phone.


"Willingly" = option

GPS tracking can be toggled off/on= option

Apps = options





Cell towers bing and bang 24 hours a day, unless your phone is off.
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LIB,MR BEARS
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GrowlTowel said:

LIB,MR BEARS said:

GrowlTowel said:

Without comment on the issue -

The Government has had cameras everywhere for a very long time. Every toll road is loaded with them. Every government building (inside and out) is covered with them. High accident intersections have them. Neighborhoods put them up to reduce crime. Etc.

Regardless, I find the people cutting them down to be a little be wacky. You cut the camera down to protect your privacy - fine, but you voluntarily put in your pocket the greatest surveillance tool every invented - your phone.


"Willingly" = option

GPS tracking can be toggled off/on= option

Apps = options





Cell towers bing and bang 24 hours a day, unless your phone is off.

Yes, that's an option as well.

Where is our option with flock cameras?
historian
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DeSantis: All Flock cameras on Florida highways will be removed

https://notthebee.com/article/desantis-announces-that-all-flock-cameras-on-florida-highways-are-going-to-be-removed
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