Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Growl Towel So… how many more trillions should our secular government spend to get right with Jesus?

Jesus never gave the government a dollar amount to spend

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[The United States federal government spends approximately $4.1 trillion to $4.4 trillion each year on entitlement and mandatory social programs.

Out of this total, about $1.1 trillion to $1.3 trillion goes specifically toward lower-income safety net or means-tested "welfare" programs.]

The USA and its taxpayers spend the most of any nation on earth (or in human history) on social programs and welfare.

The European Union is much larger in population size than the USA. So far more citizens and far more taxpayers. And yet it spends less on social programs than America does.... [Across the European Union alone, this collective spending totals roughly 4 trillion]

African governments only allocate a regional average of 1.1% to 1.2% of GDP to non-contributory welfare like cash transfers, school feeding programs, and emergency food aid. And that number is only in the low billions. [African Union (AU) member countries spend an estimated $39.2 billion to $42.7 billion annually on direct social protection and welfare programs]. The African Union has 1.55 billion people/citizens living in its countries.

India has 1.4 Billion people. And it spend less than $200 billion on social and welfare spending. [Government of India allocates central expenditures to the social sector and welfare, which amounts to approximately 9.62 lakh crore (about $115 billion USD) from the central government]


So the population figures are:


African Union: 1.5 Billion
India: 1.4 Billion
EU: 460 Million
USA: 360 Million


So the USA spends more....with far less people and taxpayers

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If Jesus' call to care for the hungry, sick, poor, and vulnerable applies to nations, then our moral responsibility is not measured by what other nations choose to do. We have to ask what justice and compassion require of us. Whether another nation spends more or less on social programs is ultimately immaterial to our own obligation. Their choices don't excuse us from ours.

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Your very first post on this thread was about nations (plural)

[Waco1947: Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.]

I just showed you the verifiable accurate data that the USA is the most generous nation on earth.

The USA far surpasses all nations in charitable acts

The USA has spent more money and given more money than any other nation current in existence....or any nation that has every existed in human history.

The USA has also run more programs and given more time of its government employees and regular citizens to this type of work.

At the very least this is a good data point to show that Americans as a nation and as individuals are going far and beyond to doing good works.

The rest of the world (especially African and Islamic-middle eastern nations) are failing their poor and their duty "feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, provide clean water" & "act charitable"

Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Growl Towel So… how many more trillions should our secular government spend to get right with Jesus?

Jesus never gave the government a dollar amount to spend

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[The United States federal government spends approximately $4.1 trillion to $4.4 trillion each year on entitlement and mandatory social programs.

Out of this total, about $1.1 trillion to $1.3 trillion goes specifically toward lower-income safety net or means-tested "welfare" programs.]

The USA and its taxpayers spend the most of any nation on earth (or in human history) on social programs and welfare.

The European Union is much larger in population size than the USA. So far more citizens and far more taxpayers. And yet it spends less on social programs than America does.... [Across the European Union alone, this collective spending totals roughly 4 trillion]

African governments only allocate a regional average of 1.1% to 1.2% of GDP to non-contributory welfare like cash transfers, school feeding programs, and emergency food aid. And that number is only in the low billions. [African Union (AU) member countries spend an estimated $39.2 billion to $42.7 billion annually on direct social protection and welfare programs]. The African Union has 1.55 billion people/citizens living in its countries.

India has 1.4 Billion people. And it spend less than $200 billion on social and welfare spending. [Government of India allocates central expenditures to the social sector and welfare, which amounts to approximately 9.62 lakh crore (about $115 billion USD) from the central government]


So the population figures are:


African Union: 1.5 Billion
India: 1.4 Billion
EU: 460 Million
USA: 360 Million


So the USA spends more....with far less people and taxpayers

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If Jesus' call to care for the hungry, sick, poor, and vulnerable applies to nations, then our moral responsibility is not measured by what other nations choose to do. We have to ask what justice and compassion require of us. Whether another nation spends more or less on social programs is ultimately immaterial to our own obligation. Their choices don't excuse us from ours.

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Your very first post on this thread was about nations (plural)

[Waco1947: Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.]

I just showed you the verifiable accurate data that the USA is the most generous nation on earth.

The USA far surpasses all nations in charitable acts

The USA has spent more money and given more money than any other nation current in existence....or any nation that has every existed in human history.

The USA has also run more programs and given more time of its government employees and regular citizens to this type of work.

At the very least this is a good data point to show that Americans as a nation and as individuals are going far and beyond to doing good works.

The rest of the world (especially African and Islamic-middle eastern nations) are failing their poor and their duty "feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, provide clean water" & "act charitable"

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Again, the number of nations and actions does not let the US off the hook for moral responsibility to its citizens.
At this juncture, I am not sure what point you are making.
What specifically is the United States morally obligated to do, and why? These are policy questions and, again, are resolved at the ballot box.
Agian the op reminds that thes nations are judged

Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Growl Towel So… how many more trillions should our secular government spend to get right with Jesus?

Jesus never gave the government a dollar amount to spend

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[The United States federal government spends approximately $4.1 trillion to $4.4 trillion each year on entitlement and mandatory social programs.

Out of this total, about $1.1 trillion to $1.3 trillion goes specifically toward lower-income safety net or means-tested "welfare" programs.]

The USA and its taxpayers spend the most of any nation on earth (or in human history) on social programs and welfare.

The European Union is much larger in population size than the USA. So far more citizens and far more taxpayers. And yet it spends less on social programs than America does.... [Across the European Union alone, this collective spending totals roughly 4 trillion]

African governments only allocate a regional average of 1.1% to 1.2% of GDP to non-contributory welfare like cash transfers, school feeding programs, and emergency food aid. And that number is only in the low billions. [African Union (AU) member countries spend an estimated $39.2 billion to $42.7 billion annually on direct social protection and welfare programs]. The African Union has 1.55 billion people/citizens living in its countries.

India has 1.4 Billion people. And it spend less than $200 billion on social and welfare spending. [Government of India allocates central expenditures to the social sector and welfare, which amounts to approximately 9.62 lakh crore (about $115 billion USD) from the central government]


So the population figures are:


African Union: 1.5 Billion
India: 1.4 Billion
EU: 460 Million
USA: 360 Million


So the USA spends more....with far less people and taxpayers

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If Jesus' call to care for the hungry, sick, poor, and vulnerable applies to nations, then our moral responsibility is not measured by what other nations choose to do. We have to ask what justice and compassion require of us. Whether another nation spends more or less on social programs is ultimately immaterial to our own obligation. Their choices don't excuse us from ours.

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Your very first post on this thread was about nations (plural)

[Waco1947: Jesus calls nations to feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, and provide clean water.
Jesus is very clear that nations are responsible, not just individuals. It is not merely a person's own charitable giving but our collective will as a nation.]

I just showed you the verifiable accurate data that the USA is the most generous nation on earth.

The USA far surpasses all nations in charitable acts

The USA has spent more money and given more money than any other nation current in existence....or any nation that has every existed in human history.

The USA has also run more programs and given more time of its government employees and regular citizens to this type of work.

At the very least this is a good data point to show that Americans as a nation and as individuals are going far and beyond to doing good works.

The rest of the world (especially African and Islamic-middle eastern nations) are failing their poor and their duty "feed the hungry, treat prisoners as human, house the homeless, provide clean water" & "act charitable"

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Again, the number of nations and actions does not let the US off the hook for moral responsibility to its citizens.

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The USA has not asked to be "let off the hook".

The USA and its citizens give more charity every single year... to its own people and to billions of other peoples on earth....trillions in dollars spent and vast amounts of service hours. [Over half of Americans also perform informal or formal community service.. Americans contribute roughly 4.99 billion to 5 billion total hours of formal volunteer service each year... Americans give $617.20 billion in private money to charity each year, according to the Giving USA 2026 annual report]

The Most of any nation anywhere at any time in human history. Service hours, tax money, and private money

Why are you letting other nations in Africa and the Middle East off the hook for their moral responsibility to their own citizens and to other people on earth?

Just like Hamas Harry's fake genocide in Gaza, social justice is a myth.