11 states put the burden on the prosecution
35 states put it on the defense at beyond a reasonable doubt standard
11 states put it on defense at clear and convincing standard
4 states do not allow insanity defense

Nationwide, insanity defense is used in less than 1% of all felony cases, and when it is raised, it is successful only about 25% of the time. Massachusetts data is in line with national data.

Harrison Bergeron said:

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Killed his 4 kids (did have mental issues)

"The jury deliberated for 50 minutes and handed down a death sentence.

He died via the electrocution in 2007.

Men didn't line the streets in support.

They didn't do heart shaped hands.

They didn't donate $1 million."

This Daryl Keith Holton.

On November 30, 1997, in Shelbyville, Tennessee, Holton shot his four children—Stephen (12), Brent (10), Eric (6), and Kayla (4) two at a time in his garage.

He told them not to peek because "Daddy had a surprise."

Holton was diagnosed with Major… pic.twitter.com/HSGD2uNXcb

— Pro America Politics (@proamericapol) September 3, 2026

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Think about Chris Watts:

He killed his pregnant life and kids: where is the sympathy and outrage over his conviction.

This sets a really dangerous precedent.

Matt Walsh made a good point: maybe there is a reason women traditionally have not been considered for high pressure jobs and maybe employers and voters should think twice when hiring them for high pressure jobs.

I'll ask one of my questions no one will be able to answer:
- We've been told that alcoholism is a disease
- How can anyone claim Clancy should be found guilty because she claimed to have post-partum depression believe any man that gets drunk and kills his kids should be found guilty?

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Yep

Our society has come to accept that men will snap (endless pressure of work, finances, responsibilities, underlying mental health issues)

We just expect them to kill themselves

(and boy do they….30,000 a year in the USA…600k to 800k world wide)

We are shockingly comfortable with this.

We just expect women not kill anyone.

Holdout is a man.

Arguments in open court this morning provided a couple of hints about the jury of nine women and three men who are deliberating Clancy's fate. The lead defense lawyer, Kevin Reddington, referred to the jury's foreperson as "she," and to the holdout juror as "he."

El Oso said:

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Holdout is a man.

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They almost always are.....


"In public situations, men are more likely to hold their ground, act independently, and refuse to conform...
whereas women are more likely to conform to the opinions of others in order to prevent social disagreement"

[Early research on conformity...conclude that "females supply greater amounts of conformity under almost all conditions than men" (Nord, Citation1969, p. 198) and a number of subsequent studies in social psychology (Cacioppo & Petty, Citation1980; Cooper, Citation1979; Eagly, Citation1978; Eagly & Wood, Citation1991; Janis & Field, Citation1959) found that women may be more responsive to social influence than men. Indeed, in a large meta-analysis, Eagly and Carli (Citation1981) found that women are typically more persuadable than men. Notably, this gender difference emerged specifically for conformity.]

Shut The Front Door!

Men and women are different?

Not surprising women are expo e ty more like to fall for social contagion.

Next time tell chatgpt to modernize your research. Those cites are almost as old as I am.

El Oso said:

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11 states put the burden on the prosecution
35 states put it on the defense at beyond a reasonable doubt standard
11 states put it on defense at clear and convincing standard
4 states do not allow insanity defense

Nationwide, insanity defense is used in less than 1% of all felony cases, and when it is raised, it is successful only about 25% of the time. Massachusetts data is in line with national data.

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The question still remains. In Massachusetts why would a good lawyer not use that plea in any case where a person goes postal?

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Next time tell chatgpt to modernize your research. Those cites are almost as old as I am.

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Helen Andrews discusses this pattern.

She relates it more to higher society levels and large organizations (like universities)....but gives us good insight into the dynamic at work.

[Helen Andrews contends that aggregate behavioral differences between the sexes mean groups of women prioritize social cohesion, emotional safety, and consensus over open, adversarial conflict...

Rather than utilizing direct, open debate (which she codes as a masculine norm of argumentation), Andrews argues that female-majority or feminized spaces enforce compliance via indirect means like exclusion, consensus-seeking, and social ostracism.]

None of this is shocking or goes against a vast amount of observational data

Hour long interview with her that is very interesting.

redfish961 said:

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Mistrial.

It's crazy for me to think someone can kill their 3 small children and not be convicted...for any reason.

This world just gets crazier and crazier.

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Its always been this way....

We all have a hard time accepting women can commit murder in general....and certainly are even less likely to accept women might murder children. (goes against everything we feel is true and want to be true)

Our deep psychic reaction is to assume insanity and not moral depravity.

We all know that women in general are far less likely to commit murder than men. (men are just more violent in general)

But even when women do commit murder we have a hard time accepting it and we often give out far more lenient sentences for female criminals.

[When women are convicted of serious crimes, research into sentencing disparities indicates they often face lower incarceration rates or shorter average prison terms compared to men with similar offense histories, though outcomes vary based on the specific nature of the crime and judicial discretion. Opinions on the systemic reasons behind sentencing differences remain mixed among legal analysts...]

redfish961 said:

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Mistrial.

It's crazy for me to think someone can kill their 3 small children and not be convicted...for any reason.

This world just gets crazier and crazier.

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My dad used to threaten me with that all the time. "I brought you into the world, I can take you out" he was also confident he could make more.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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redfish961 said:

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Mistrial.

It's crazy for me to think someone can kill their 3 small children and not be convicted...for any reason.

This world just gets crazier and crazier.

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My dad used to threaten me with that all the time. "I brought you into the world, I can take you out" he was also confident he could make more.

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I bet your dad would have been first in line to take out anyone who murdered you, though.

Mitch Blood Green said:

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redfish961 said:

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Mistrial.

It's crazy for me to think someone can kill their 3 small children and not be convicted...for any reason.

This world just gets crazier and crazier.

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My dad used to threaten me with that all the time. "I brought you into the world, I can take you out" he was also confident he could make more.

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So to your dad, you were equal in worth to a dorito?

GrowlTowel said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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redfish961 said:

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Mistrial.

It's crazy for me to think someone can kill their 3 small children and not be convicted...for any reason.

This world just gets crazier and crazier.

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My dad used to threaten me with that all the time. "I brought you into the world, I can take you out" he was also confident he could make more.

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Your dad was Bill Cosby?

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Nope. Never doped anyone.

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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redfish961 said:

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Mistrial.

It's crazy for me to think someone can kill their 3 small children and not be convicted...for any reason.

This world just gets crazier and crazier.

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My dad used to threaten me with that all the time. "I brought you into the world, I can take you out" he was also confident he could make more.

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I bet your dad would have been first in line to take out anyone who murdered you, though.

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No doubt.

Oldbear83 said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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redfish961 said:

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Mistrial.

It's crazy for me to think someone can kill their 3 small children and not be convicted...for any reason.

This world just gets crazier and crazier.

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My dad used to threaten me with that all the time. "I brought you into the world, I can take you out" he was also confident he could make more.

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So to your dad, you were equal in worth to a dorito?

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Probably more pork rind or hog head cheese.

GrowlTowel said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Mitch Blood Green said:

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redfish961 said:

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Mistrial.

It's crazy for me to think someone can kill their 3 small children and not be convicted...for any reason.

This world just gets crazier and crazier.

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My dad used to threaten me with that all the time. "I brought you into the world, I can take you out" he was also confident he could make more.

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Your dad was Bill Cosby?

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Nope. Never doped anyone.

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Your Dad's quote is straight from Bill Cosby Himself. I was not implying criminal activity.

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Understood. I added the slight.

John Battaglia killed his two daughters in a case forensic psychologists linked to psychosis stemming from bipolar disorder.

The jury took just 19 minutes to deliberate.

He was executed in Texas in 2018. pic.twitter.com/e2E5bkEV3t

— Thrilla the Gorilla (@ThrillaRilla369) September 3, 2026

Harrison Bergeron said:

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John Battaglia killed his two daughters in a case forensic psychologists linked to psychosis stemming from bipolar disorder.

The jury took just 19 minutes to deliberate.

He was executed in Texas in 2018. pic.twitter.com/e2E5bkEV3t

— Thrilla the Gorilla (@ThrillaRilla369) September 3, 2026

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We need to address the systemic sexism in the justice system.

1. Men get harsher sentences

2. More men are incarcerated than women

The justice system is sexist.

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Woke conceptions and critical lens analysis is only for "oppressed" groups in society....and not "oppressor" groups.

Whites and Males can not claim systemic sexism or discrimination because they are not "oppressed"... they are "oppressors"

Talk to Baylor academics to have them explain this illogical argument if you are confused.

Does mistrial mean they will do the trial again?

I doubt your Dad ever was serious or ever did anything to made you believe he was serious.

Also, it's not about mere words in this case. She really did strangle her children, including her newborn, and confessed to it. It should be an open shut case and should have been a guilty verdict in 1-2 hours.

Liberal lunatic is always about feelings and not facts

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Does mistrial mean they will do the trial again?

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The prosecutor told reporters he will not decide today if he will retry the case. There will be a case status hearing on September 29. Charges will remain in place until that hearing. Clancy will also remain in Tewksberry State Hospital until at least that hearing.

Patrick Clancy told reporters, "The loss of Patrick's children is something from which he will never recover," "The prospect of reliving this tragedy through another trial is extraordinarily painful."

Juror names will be released in two weeks.

It's sickening

These two cases are apples and oranges once you clear they are both parents who killed their children.

John Battaglia's jury in Dallas answered whether he had done it. He had not seriously denied it, and he never pleaded insanity. He couldn't. His own psychiatrist had told the court in a pre-trial hearing he knew what he was doing, which is the sentence that ends an insanity claim before it starts. His bipolar disorder came up afterwards, in the punishment phase, as an argument against the death penalty.

Lindsay Clancy's jury is not being asked whether she did it. That is conceded. They are being asked whether she was criminally responsible, which is the plea Battaglia never made because he legally could not because he couldn't prove he was insane.

Tennessee is one of the 11 states where the prosecution has to prove the defendant is not insane. They did just that in the trial. So far, the Massachusetts (another of the 11 where the prosecution has to prove the defendant is not insane) prosecutor is 0-1.

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She admitted knowing what she was doing.

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This sentence in your response is not true, and it is critical to what happened in this case, and what will happen in the retrial. Her defense centers on whether she understood right from wrong or possessed the criminal responsibility required for a conviction due to her post partum psychosis. In other words, she knows she did it, but she didn't know it was wrong when she did it.

I pray to God you don't have kids…. Ever

You are insane