Who Needs Islam?

https://pjmedia.com/aj-christopher/2026/08/22/who-needs-islam-n4956418

Hamas Harry aka Sam Losery loves Islam

He takes up for it all the time

Danielsjackson114 said:

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I love trolling

I do it all the time

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Duly noted.

Sam Lowry said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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Hamas Harry aka Sam Losery loves Islam

He takes up for it all the time

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Yeah, I do

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I didn't need validation bro. I was stating a fact.

THOMAS JEFFERSON: "It was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged the Muslim's authority were sinners, that it was their right & duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoner." pic.twitter.com/hc2PnmkBnJ

— The Conservative Alternative (@OldeWorldOrder) September 2, 2026

And Muslims still act that way. Today, in 2026, Muslims own slaves. It's a real thing that not enough people talk about.

What caused the underdevelopment of Muslim countries? @prof_ahmetkuru says neither colonialism nor orientalism is to blame.https://t.co/Y2AvGZDMpD pic.twitter.com/nhqWFhYYqs

— Matthew Schmitz (@matthewschmitz) October 16, 2026

In his 1938 work The Great Heresies, Hilaire Belloc devoted a chapter to Islam:

"Millions of modern people of the white civilization—that is, the civilization of Europe and America—have forgotten all about Islam. They have never come in contact with it. They take for granted… https://t.co/s9cEskUr46 pic.twitter.com/ENZWGA4XlG

— Humble Flow (@HumbleFlow) October 16, 2026

If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

fubar said:

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If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

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It's a good point

What does the 14 centuries of mass violence, discrimination against others, and sanctioned holy war waged by this religion's adherents teach us?



[History clearly shows how Islam was spread by the sword from its very beginning.

Even in the Rashidun era, the 4 Caliphs exactly after Muhammad, war and violence remained a policy through all of their existence. And still went on during the Umayyad & Abbasid eras of Islamic expansion.
Violence existed since the birth of the faith to this day.
When we read the Medinan verses which abrogate the Meccan ones, we can see that disbelief in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet already constitutes an offence. This literal reading is also confirmed by the hadith (Bukhari & Muslim) of the related verse.
Syeikh Omar Abdel Rahman once said in a lecture "Quran has a surah called spoils of war. But it does not have a surah called peace. If you take Jihad & killing out of Islam, you are cutting its head off."
A common apologist defense of the radicals are that they are only a tiny minority of the ummah, and they have misunderstood the text won't cut it. Has Islam been misunderstood for 14 centuries then?]

Redbrickbear said:

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In his 1938 work The Great Heresies, Hilaire Belloc devoted a chapter to Islam:

"Millions of modern people of the white civilization—that is, the civilization of Europe and America—have forgotten all about Islam. They have never come in contact with it. They take for granted… https://t.co/s9cEskUr46 pic.twitter.com/ENZWGA4XlG

— Humble Flow (@HumbleFlow) October 16, 2026

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Does Marine Le Pen think that's why North Africa and Syria are still under French rule?

EatMoreSalmon said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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In his 1938 work The Great Heresies, Hilaire Belloc devoted a chapter to Islam:

"Millions of modern people of the white civilization—that is, the civilization of Europe and America—have forgotten all about Islam. They have never come in contact with it. They take for granted… https://t.co/s9cEskUr46 pic.twitter.com/ENZWGA4XlG

— Humble Flow (@HumbleFlow) October 16, 2026

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Does Marine Le Pen think that's why North Africa and Syria are still under French rule?

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She is post-religious and does not give it much deep thought I think

She is a cultural French nationalist…and thinks French culture (divorced from any religious foundation) can still "conquer all" and over come all new comers…provided they come in small enough numbers

It's an interesting idea….we will see if it works long term.

It also shows that even the modern French "right wing" is actually fundamentally pretty progressive/liberal in many fundamental ways

fubar said:

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If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

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Would that include the 20%-30% of the Islamic population that strongly believe in radical Islam and jihadist principles?

The elephant in the room here is a fundamentalist Christian doesn't want you dead for your beliefs. A very significant portion of the Muslim world does. And well more than half of them strongly, disagree with western freedom, and principles

Redbrickbear said:

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EatMoreSalmon said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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In his 1938 work The Great Heresies, Hilaire Belloc devoted a chapter to Islam:

"Millions of modern people of the white civilization—that is, the civilization of Europe and America—have forgotten all about Islam. They have never come in contact with it. They take for granted… https://t.co/s9cEskUr46 pic.twitter.com/ENZWGA4XlG

— Humble Flow (@HumbleFlow) October 16, 2026

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Does Marine Le Pen think that's why North Africa and Syria are still under French rule?

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She is post-religious and does not give it much deep thought I think

She is a cultural French nationalist…and thinks French culture (divorced from any religious foundation) can still "conquer all" and over come all new comers…provided they come in small enough numbers

It's an interesting idea….we will see if it works long term.

It also shows that even the modern French "right wing" is actually fundamentally pretty progressive/liberal in many fundamental ways

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Without large scale revivalism it's difficult to see how France or anywhere in the west can survive. Half baked efforts that compromise on the most fundamental issues might gain some success but it will be only temporary.

Mothra said:

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fubar said:

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If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

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Would that include the 20%-30% of the Islamic population that strongly believe in radical Islam and jihadist principles?

The elephant in the room here is a fundamentalist Christian doesn't want you dead for your beliefs. A very significant portion of the Muslim world does. And well more than half of them strongly, disagree with western freedom, and principles

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And a significant number of those dangerous radicals live here in the US, including significant numbers in Texas.

🚨🇬🇧 In the UK, a child at a primary school was branded a racist for refusing to take part in Ramadan

The child said - "Why do we have to do that? I'm not doing that. Do I have to? If I don't will you make me?"

The school responded - "This will be added to your child's… pic.twitter.com/0GZw6cn592

— MAGA Storm 47 (@MAGAStorm47) October 18, 2026

Redbrickbear said:

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fubar said:

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If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

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It's a good point

What does the 14 centuries of mass violence, discrimination against others, and sanctioned holy war waged by this religion's adherents teach us?



[History clearly shows how Islam was spread by the sword from its very beginning.

Even in the Rashidun era, the 4 Caliphs exactly after Muhammad, war and violence remained a policy through all of their existence. And still went on during the Umayyad & Abbasid eras of Islamic expansion.
Violence existed since the birth of the faith to this day.
When we read the Medinan verses which abrogate the Meccan ones, we can see that disbelief in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet already constitutes an offence. This literal reading is also confirmed by the hadith (Bukhari & Muslim) of the related verse.
Syeikh Omar Abdel Rahman once said in a lecture "Quran has a surah called spoils of war. But it does not have a surah called peace. If you take Jihad & killing out of Islam, you are cutting its head off."
A common apologist defense of the radicals are that they are only a tiny minority of the ummah, and they have misunderstood the text won't cut it. Has Islam been misunderstood for 14 centuries then?]

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So, basically not too different from Protestantism. Both have a history of violence and crudely literal exegesis, but that doesn't necessarily mean coexistence is impossible.

Redbrickbear said:

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🚨🇬🇧 In the UK, a child at a primary school was branded a racist for refusing to take part in Ramadan

The child said - "Why do we have to do that? I'm not doing that. Do I have to? If I don't will you make me?"

The school responded - "This will be added to your child's… pic.twitter.com/0GZw6cn592

— MAGA Storm 47 (@MAGAStorm47) October 18, 2026

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Islam has a history of forced conversions. This looks like that

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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fubar said:

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If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

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It's a good point

What does the 14 centuries of mass violence, discrimination against others, and sanctioned holy war waged by this religion's adherents teach us?



[History clearly shows how Islam was spread by the sword from its very beginning.

Even in the Rashidun era, the 4 Caliphs exactly after Muhammad, war and violence remained a policy through all of their existence. And still went on during the Umayyad & Abbasid eras of Islamic expansion.
Violence existed since the birth of the faith to this day.
When we read the Medinan verses which abrogate the Meccan ones, we can see that disbelief in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet already constitutes an offence. This literal reading is also confirmed by the hadith (Bukhari & Muslim) of the related verse.
Syeikh Omar Abdel Rahman once said in a lecture "Quran has a surah called spoils of war. But it does not have a surah called peace. If you take Jihad & killing out of Islam, you are cutting its head off."
A common apologist defense of the radicals are that they are only a tiny minority of the ummah, and they have misunderstood the text won't cut it. Has Islam been misunderstood for 14 centuries then?]

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So, basically not too different from Protestantism. Both have a history of violence and crudely literal exegesis, but that doesn't necessarily mean coexistence is impossible.

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Does not mean coexistence is likely

And even if we accept your premise…Protestantism does not have 14 centuries of continuous historical record of violence and conquest…Islam does

Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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fubar said:

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If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

---

It's a good point

What does the 14 centuries of mass violence, discrimination against others, and sanctioned holy war waged by this religion's adherents teach us?



[History clearly shows how Islam was spread by the sword from its very beginning.

Even in the Rashidun era, the 4 Caliphs exactly after Muhammad, war and violence remained a policy through all of their existence. And still went on during the Umayyad & Abbasid eras of Islamic expansion.
Violence existed since the birth of the faith to this day.
When we read the Medinan verses which abrogate the Meccan ones, we can see that disbelief in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet already constitutes an offence. This literal reading is also confirmed by the hadith (Bukhari & Muslim) of the related verse.
Syeikh Omar Abdel Rahman once said in a lecture "Quran has a surah called spoils of war. But it does not have a surah called peace. If you take Jihad & killing out of Islam, you are cutting its head off."
A common apologist defense of the radicals are that they are only a tiny minority of the ummah, and they have misunderstood the text won't cut it. Has Islam been misunderstood for 14 centuries then?]

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So, basically not too different from Protestantism. Both have a history of violence and crudely literal exegesis, but that doesn't necessarily mean coexistence is impossible.

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Does not mean coexistence is likely

And even if we accept your premise…Protestantism does not have 14 centuries of continuous historical record of violence and conquest…Islam does

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That's not really true. There are plenty of examples of Muslims living in peace with their neighbors.

Sam Lowry said:

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Danielsjackson114 said:

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I love trolling

I do it all the time

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Duly noted.

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Are you surprised?

Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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fubar said:

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If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

---

It's a good point

What does the 14 centuries of mass violence, discrimination against others, and sanctioned holy war waged by this religion's adherents teach us?



[History clearly shows how Islam was spread by the sword from its very beginning.

Even in the Rashidun era, the 4 Caliphs exactly after Muhammad, war and violence remained a policy through all of their existence. And still went on during the Umayyad & Abbasid eras of Islamic expansion.
Violence existed since the birth of the faith to this day.
When we read the Medinan verses which abrogate the Meccan ones, we can see that disbelief in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet already constitutes an offence. This literal reading is also confirmed by the hadith (Bukhari & Muslim) of the related verse.
Syeikh Omar Abdel Rahman once said in a lecture "Quran has a surah called spoils of war. But it does not have a surah called peace. If you take Jihad & killing out of Islam, you are cutting its head off."
A common apologist defense of the radicals are that they are only a tiny minority of the ummah, and they have misunderstood the text won't cut it. Has Islam been misunderstood for 14 centuries then?]

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So, basically not too different from Protestantism. Both have a history of violence and crudely literal exegesis, but that doesn't necessarily mean coexistence is impossible.

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Does not mean coexistence is likely

And even if we accept your premise…Protestantism does not have 14 centuries of continuous historical record of violence and conquest…Islam does

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That's not really true. There are plenty of examples of Muslims living in peace with their neighbors.

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Historical there are not

Subject peoples who were not Muslims were always under a heavy burden of oppression and discrimination

The myth of al-Andalus has distorted the West’s understanding of its own history.

In my latest for @RestoringWest, I set the record straight. https://t.co/7rvc2OrCcm

— Ayaan Hirsi Ali (@Ayaan) October 18, 2026

Redbrickbear said:

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Sam Lowry said:

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Redbrickbear said:

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fubar said:

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If you really wish to learn about a religion, learn from its adherents.

If you just want to justify your bigotry, stick with the internet.

---

It's a good point

What does the 14 centuries of mass violence, discrimination against others, and sanctioned holy war waged by this religion's adherents teach us?



[History clearly shows how Islam was spread by the sword from its very beginning.

Even in the Rashidun era, the 4 Caliphs exactly after Muhammad, war and violence remained a policy through all of their existence. And still went on during the Umayyad & Abbasid eras of Islamic expansion.
Violence existed since the birth of the faith to this day.
When we read the Medinan verses which abrogate the Meccan ones, we can see that disbelief in Allah and Muhammad as his prophet already constitutes an offence. This literal reading is also confirmed by the hadith (Bukhari & Muslim) of the related verse.
Syeikh Omar Abdel Rahman once said in a lecture "Quran has a surah called spoils of war. But it does not have a surah called peace. If you take Jihad & killing out of Islam, you are cutting its head off."
A common apologist defense of the radicals are that they are only a tiny minority of the ummah, and they have misunderstood the text won't cut it. Has Islam been misunderstood for 14 centuries then?]

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So, basically not too different from Protestantism. Both have a history of violence and crudely literal exegesis, but that doesn't necessarily mean coexistence is impossible.

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Does not mean coexistence is likely

And even if we accept your premise…Protestantism does not have 14 centuries of continuous historical record of violence and conquest…Islam does

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He must be a Catholic. Catholics have more of a history of violence than Protestants, mainly because they've been around about as long as Islam while Martin Luther startled the Reformation in 1517. Over the past 500 years, Christian's in general have about the same levels of violence.

Important point: Christians engaging in violence are rarely following the teachings of Christ who taught love not hatred.