Mothra said:
In other news, someone chose to drive a car today despite the fact that there are 103 accident fatalities a day in the United States.
Damn you, Sean Duffy!
Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:
In other news, someone chose to drive a car today despite the fact that there are 103 accident fatalities a day in the United States.
Damn you, Sean Duffy!
Nobody's arguing cars should be banned. We're arguing seatbelts work. Four people died of a disease we eliminated 26 years ago, two of them babies who couldn't be vaccinated, and the guy in charge is trying to delete them from the spreadsheet.
103 deaths a day comes out of roughly 230 million licensed drivers covering about 3 trillion miles a year. The four Pennsylvania deaths come out of 693 confirmed cases in 38 counties, with 133 hospitalizations. That's a fatality rate per case in the neighborhood of 1 in 175, and roughly one in five cases landing in a hospital. Per exposure, these aren't in the same universe.
We did not shrug at car deaths. We mandated seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, crash testing, and DUI enforcement, and cut the per-mile death rate by about 90% since the 1960s. The car comparison is a story about a society that took a deadly activity and engineered the danger out of it. The MMR vaccine is the seatbelt. The objection isn't that people died, it's that they died of something that was solved in 1963.
Traffic deaths are stable or falling. Measles was declared eliminated in the US in 2000, and 1992 was the last year with four measles deaths; last year there were three, two in Texas and one in New Mexico. A stable background rate and a resurging one are different kinds of fact, and only one of them tells you something about where you're headed.
Drivers mostly accept risk on their own behalf. Two of the four Pennsylvania deaths were infants too young to be vaccinated. They didn't opt in, and nothing they or their parents could do would have protected them except the immunity of the people around them. Cars don't spread to the next family over.
People aren't naming the HHS secretary because deaths occurred during his tenure. They're naming him because of specific conduct: Kennedy publicly questioned whether measles contributed to the first two deaths and suggested they might have been fabricated, then asked the CDC director to remove them from the national tally after CDC staff accepted Pennsylvania's classification. The parallel would be a transportation secretary saying crash victims were faked and ordering NHTSA to stop counting them. If Duffy did that, the joke would write itself in the other direction.
Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:
In other news, someone chose to drive a car today despite the fact that there are 103 accident fatalities a day in the United States.
Damn you, Sean Duffy!
Nobody's arguing cars should be banned. We're arguing seatbelts work. Four people died of a disease we eliminated 26 years ago, two of them babies who couldn't be vaccinated, and the guy in charge is trying to delete them from the spreadsheet.
103 deaths a day comes out of roughly 230 million licensed drivers covering about 3 trillion miles a year. The four Pennsylvania deaths come out of 693 confirmed cases in 38 counties, with 133 hospitalizations. That's a fatality rate per case in the neighborhood of 1 in 175, and roughly one in five cases landing in a hospital. Per exposure, these aren't in the same universe.
We did not shrug at car deaths. We mandated seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, crash testing, and DUI enforcement, and cut the per-mile death rate by about 90% since the 1960s. The car comparison is a story about a society that took a deadly activity and engineered the danger out of it. The MMR vaccine is the seatbelt. The objection isn't that people died, it's that they died of something that was solved in 1963.
Traffic deaths are stable or falling. Measles was declared eliminated in the US in 2000, and 1992 was the last year with four measles deaths; last year there were three, two in Texas and one in New Mexico. A stable background rate and a resurging one are different kinds of fact, and only one of them tells you something about where you're headed.
Drivers mostly accept risk on their own behalf. Two of the four Pennsylvania deaths were infants too young to be vaccinated. They didn't opt in, and nothing they or their parents could do would have protected them except the immunity of the people around them. Cars don't spread to the next family over.
People aren't naming the HHS secretary because deaths occurred during his tenure. They're naming him because of specific conduct: Kennedy publicly questioned whether measles contributed to the first two deaths and suggested they might have been fabricated, then asked the CDC director to remove them from the national tally after CDC staff accepted Pennsylvania's classification. The parallel would be a transportation secretary saying crash victims were faked and ordering NHTSA to stop counting them. If Duffy did that, the joke would write itself in the other direction.
cowboycwr said:
How can something that was "eliminated" come back???????
Guess it wasn't eliminated then......
Danielsjackson114 said:
Most of these deaths due to underlying issues
Guy Noir said:cowboycwr said:
How can something that was "eliminated" come back???????
Guess it wasn't eliminated then......
I think you are just being being argumentative. The disease was eliminated in the USA for all practical purposes. The disease still was active outside the USA and that is a reason it can come beck.
Open borders is a terrible policy? Agreed. Stop voting democrat.Guy Noir said:cowboycwr said:
How can something that was "eliminated" come back???????
Guess it wasn't eliminated then......
I think you are just being being argumentative. The disease was eliminated in the USA for all practical purposes. The disease still was active outside the USA and that is a reason it can come beck.
cowboycwr said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:
In other news, someone chose to drive a car today despite the fact that there are 103 accident fatalities a day in the United States.
Damn you, Sean Duffy!
Nobody's arguing cars should be banned. We're arguing seatbelts work. Four people died of a disease we eliminated 26 years ago, two of them babies who couldn't be vaccinated, and the guy in charge is trying to delete them from the spreadsheet.
103 deaths a day comes out of roughly 230 million licensed drivers covering about 3 trillion miles a year. The four Pennsylvania deaths come out of 693 confirmed cases in 38 counties, with 133 hospitalizations. That's a fatality rate per case in the neighborhood of 1 in 175, and roughly one in five cases landing in a hospital. Per exposure, these aren't in the same universe.
We did not shrug at car deaths. We mandated seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, crash testing, and DUI enforcement, and cut the per-mile death rate by about 90% since the 1960s. The car comparison is a story about a society that took a deadly activity and engineered the danger out of it. The MMR vaccine is the seatbelt. The objection isn't that people died, it's that they died of something that was solved in 1963.
Traffic deaths are stable or falling. Measles was declared eliminated in the US in 2000, and 1992 was the last year with four measles deaths; last year there were three, two in Texas and one in New Mexico. A stable background rate and a resurging one are different kinds of fact, and only one of them tells you something about where you're headed.
Drivers mostly accept risk on their own behalf. Two of the four Pennsylvania deaths were infants too young to be vaccinated. They didn't opt in, and nothing they or their parents could do would have protected them except the immunity of the people around them. Cars don't spread to the next family over.
People aren't naming the HHS secretary because deaths occurred during his tenure. They're naming him because of specific conduct: Kennedy publicly questioned whether measles contributed to the first two deaths and suggested they might have been fabricated, then asked the CDC director to remove them from the national tally after CDC staff accepted Pennsylvania's classification. The parallel would be a transportation secretary saying crash victims were faked and ordering NHTSA to stop counting them. If Duffy did that, the joke would write itself in the other direction.
How can something that was "eliminated" come back???????
Guess it wasn't eliminated then......
Mothra said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:
In other news, someone chose to drive a car today despite the fact that there are 103 accident fatalities a day in the United States.
Damn you, Sean Duffy!
Nobody's arguing cars should be banned. We're arguing seatbelts work. Four people died of a disease we eliminated 26 years ago, two of them babies who couldn't be vaccinated, and the guy in charge is trying to delete them from the spreadsheet.
103 deaths a day comes out of roughly 230 million licensed drivers covering about 3 trillion miles a year. The four Pennsylvania deaths come out of 693 confirmed cases in 38 counties, with 133 hospitalizations. That's a fatality rate per case in the neighborhood of 1 in 175, and roughly one in five cases landing in a hospital. Per exposure, these aren't in the same universe.
We did not shrug at car deaths. We mandated seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, crash testing, and DUI enforcement, and cut the per-mile death rate by about 90% since the 1960s. The car comparison is a story about a society that took a deadly activity and engineered the danger out of it. The MMR vaccine is the seatbelt. The objection isn't that people died, it's that they died of something that was solved in 1963.
Traffic deaths are stable or falling. Measles was declared eliminated in the US in 2000, and 1992 was the last year with four measles deaths; last year there were three, two in Texas and one in New Mexico. A stable background rate and a resurging one are different kinds of fact, and only one of them tells you something about where you're headed.
Drivers mostly accept risk on their own behalf. Two of the four Pennsylvania deaths were infants too young to be vaccinated. They didn't opt in, and nothing they or their parents could do would have protected them except the immunity of the people around them. Cars don't spread to the next family over.
People aren't naming the HHS secretary because deaths occurred during his tenure. They're naming him because of specific conduct: Kennedy publicly questioned whether measles contributed to the first two deaths and suggested they might have been fabricated, then asked the CDC director to remove them from the national tally after CDC staff accepted Pennsylvania's classification. The parallel would be a transportation secretary saying crash victims were faked and ordering NHTSA to stop counting them. If Duffy did that, the joke would write itself in the other direction.
Didn't read the ChatGPT response, but thanks.
Danielsjackson114 said:
Most of these deaths due to underlying issues
cowboycwr said:
Plus what is the concern if we all got a vaccine for it as kids? The idiots that don't get one will suffer.
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Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:
In other news, someone chose to drive a car today despite the fact that there are 103 accident fatalities a day in the United States.
Damn you, Sean Duffy!
Nobody's arguing cars should be banned. We're arguing seatbelts work. Four people died of a disease we eliminated 26 years ago, two of them babies who couldn't be vaccinated, and the guy in charge is trying to delete them from the spreadsheet.
103 deaths a day comes out of roughly 230 million licensed drivers covering about 3 trillion miles a year. The four Pennsylvania deaths come out of 693 confirmed cases in 38 counties, with 133 hospitalizations. That's a fatality rate per case in the neighborhood of 1 in 175, and roughly one in five cases landing in a hospital. Per exposure, these aren't in the same universe.
We did not shrug at car deaths. We mandated seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, crash testing, and DUI enforcement, and cut the per-mile death rate by about 90% since the 1960s. The car comparison is a story about a society that took a deadly activity and engineered the danger out of it. The MMR vaccine is the seatbelt. The objection isn't that people died, it's that they died of something that was solved in 1963.
Traffic deaths are stable or falling. Measles was declared eliminated in the US in 2000, and 1992 was the last year with four measles deaths; last year there were three, two in Texas and one in New Mexico. A stable background rate and a resurging one are different kinds of fact, and only one of them tells you something about where you're headed.
Drivers mostly accept risk on their own behalf. Two of the four Pennsylvania deaths were infants too young to be vaccinated. They didn't opt in, and nothing they or their parents could do would have protected them except the immunity of the people around them. Cars don't spread to the next family over.
People aren't naming the HHS secretary because deaths occurred during his tenure. They're naming him because of specific conduct: Kennedy publicly questioned whether measles contributed to the first two deaths and suggested they might have been fabricated, then asked the CDC director to remove them from the national tally after CDC staff accepted Pennsylvania's classification. The parallel would be a transportation secretary saying crash victims were faked and ordering NHTSA to stop counting them. If Duffy did that, the joke would write itself in the other direction.
Didn't read the ChatGPT response, but thanks.
Of course not. Why would you read something that made your argument look stupid?
Tempus Edax Rerum said:cowboycwr said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:
In other news, someone chose to drive a car today despite the fact that there are 103 accident fatalities a day in the United States.
Damn you, Sean Duffy!
Nobody's arguing cars should be banned. We're arguing seatbelts work. Four people died of a disease we eliminated 26 years ago, two of them babies who couldn't be vaccinated, and the guy in charge is trying to delete them from the spreadsheet.
103 deaths a day comes out of roughly 230 million licensed drivers covering about 3 trillion miles a year. The four Pennsylvania deaths come out of 693 confirmed cases in 38 counties, with 133 hospitalizations. That's a fatality rate per case in the neighborhood of 1 in 175, and roughly one in five cases landing in a hospital. Per exposure, these aren't in the same universe.
We did not shrug at car deaths. We mandated seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, crash testing, and DUI enforcement, and cut the per-mile death rate by about 90% since the 1960s. The car comparison is a story about a society that took a deadly activity and engineered the danger out of it. The MMR vaccine is the seatbelt. The objection isn't that people died, it's that they died of something that was solved in 1963.
Traffic deaths are stable or falling. Measles was declared eliminated in the US in 2000, and 1992 was the last year with four measles deaths; last year there were three, two in Texas and one in New Mexico. A stable background rate and a resurging one are different kinds of fact, and only one of them tells you something about where you're headed.
Drivers mostly accept risk on their own behalf. Two of the four Pennsylvania deaths were infants too young to be vaccinated. They didn't opt in, and nothing they or their parents could do would have protected them except the immunity of the people around them. Cars don't spread to the next family over.
People aren't naming the HHS secretary because deaths occurred during his tenure. They're naming him because of specific conduct: Kennedy publicly questioned whether measles contributed to the first two deaths and suggested they might have been fabricated, then asked the CDC director to remove them from the national tally after CDC staff accepted Pennsylvania's classification. The parallel would be a transportation secretary saying crash victims were faked and ordering NHTSA to stop counting them. If Duffy did that, the joke would write itself in the other direction.
How can something that was "eliminated" come back???????
Guess it wasn't eliminated then......
You really can't be that dumb, can you?
El Oso said:cowboycwr said:
Plus what is the concern if we all got a vaccine for it as kids? The idiots that don't get one will suffer.
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With Kennedy actively arguing against the need for vaccines and manipulating data, kids that should be getting vaccinated aren't.
And, the second half of your statement isn't scientifically accurate. While vaccines offer outstanding protection, no vaccine is 100% effective. When unvaccinated individuals allow a highly contagious disease like measles to spread, it directly increases the chances that a vaccinated child's immunity will be tested and potentially overwhelmed.
One dose success rate is 93%. 2 doses is 97%, so yes,unvaccinated children to expose vaccinated people to potential problems.
Even if everyone had 2 doses, 2.19 million children would be in danger of contracting measles in theory.
Mothra said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:Tempus Edax Rerum said:Mothra said:
In other news, someone chose to drive a car today despite the fact that there are 103 accident fatalities a day in the United States.
Damn you, Sean Duffy!
Nobody's arguing cars should be banned. We're arguing seatbelts work. Four people died of a disease we eliminated 26 years ago, two of them babies who couldn't be vaccinated, and the guy in charge is trying to delete them from the spreadsheet.
103 deaths a day comes out of roughly 230 million licensed drivers covering about 3 trillion miles a year. The four Pennsylvania deaths come out of 693 confirmed cases in 38 counties, with 133 hospitalizations. That's a fatality rate per case in the neighborhood of 1 in 175, and roughly one in five cases landing in a hospital. Per exposure, these aren't in the same universe.
We did not shrug at car deaths. We mandated seatbelts, airbags, crumple zones, crash testing, and DUI enforcement, and cut the per-mile death rate by about 90% since the 1960s. The car comparison is a story about a society that took a deadly activity and engineered the danger out of it. The MMR vaccine is the seatbelt. The objection isn't that people died, it's that they died of something that was solved in 1963.
Traffic deaths are stable or falling. Measles was declared eliminated in the US in 2000, and 1992 was the last year with four measles deaths; last year there were three, two in Texas and one in New Mexico. A stable background rate and a resurging one are different kinds of fact, and only one of them tells you something about where you're headed.
Drivers mostly accept risk on their own behalf. Two of the four Pennsylvania deaths were infants too young to be vaccinated. They didn't opt in, and nothing they or their parents could do would have protected them except the immunity of the people around them. Cars don't spread to the next family over.
People aren't naming the HHS secretary because deaths occurred during his tenure. They're naming him because of specific conduct: Kennedy publicly questioned whether measles contributed to the first two deaths and suggested they might have been fabricated, then asked the CDC director to remove them from the national tally after CDC staff accepted Pennsylvania's classification. The parallel would be a transportation secretary saying crash victims were faked and ordering NHTSA to stop counting them. If Duffy did that, the joke would write itself in the other direction.
Didn't read the ChatGPT response, but thanks.
Of course not. Why would you read something that made your argument look stupid?
The hilarious thing is you don't understand your use of ChatGPT is what makes you look stupid. You're unable to come up with a cogent logical thought on your own so you have to resort to AI.
I could enter the information I want to say, and it would come up with a cogent response for me as well. But I'm not the dim bulb you are.
El Oso said:
I have always disputed vaccines cause autism. I even got into a lengthy discussion with one poster who argues there are too many required.
I do believe some should be optional (covid, theres another one during early teen years escaping me right now to name two). Measles is not optional in my opinion.
