FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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fubar said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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I'm probably a bit older than you (I'm 64), but I don't remember anybody opposing vaccines 25 years ago. I remember a measles outbreak when I was a junior at BU -- fall of 1982 -- but I don't remember people opposing vaccines.

But even if they did then, why in the world would MAGA "conservatives" oppose a measles vaccine now?

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Vaccine schedule - and the incidence of childhood disorders like autism and ADD - were much smaller back then. You and I got around 5 immunizations as children. Last time I checked, today's kids get around 70.

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/09/260924020405.htm

https://news.yale.edu/2026/05/01/many-genes-have-been-linked-autism-new-study-suggests-it-may-be-their-path-brain-matters

https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2026/new-research-reveals-autism-risk-genes-are-shared-across-ancestries

https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/27/health/autism-treatment-new-map-study

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I am not sure anyone has ever disputed a genetic component to autism. Indeed, most diseases have genetic components. The question is, what other environmental factors are contributing to the astronomical increase in autism? We know it's not genetics, because that hasn't changed. Some of it can be attributed to better diagnoses, but most studies that have looked at it say that's only a small factor. So the big question is what happened around 1986 to cause the diagnoses to go through the roof...

There is a plausible explanation.

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This has been studied extensively. Here is an NIH peer reviewed study. It looks at all the risk factors.

Personally, I think #6 is of interest as it talks of pre-birth stress on mothers during gestation. Women working in the work force and 2 income families have put women in high stress situations the whole preganancy. Can't help but wonder about that impact.


Environmental factors influencing the risk of autism - PMC

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Ironically, your link largely supports the point I was making.

First, that is not an "NIH study." It is a 2017 review article that is housed in PubMed Central. More importantly, the authors did not conduct a new population study that somehow identified "all the risk factors." They reviewed previously published literature concerning a variety of reported environmental associations.

And the central premise of the article is that autism is multifactorial, involving both genetic susceptibility and environmental influences. In other words, that is essentially the question I was raising: if genetics alone cannot explain changes occurring over a relatively short period of time, what environmental factors, possibly interacting with genetic susceptibility, might be involved?

The studies definitively alleging that there is no link between vaccines and autism don't really exist, or they are extremely flawed, as anyone who's done a deep dive on this issue can attest.

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Geez, it was a resource. I pointed out one of the conclusions that seemed interesting. That is all. NIH, PubMed, are usually reliable sources. Nothing more.

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You alleged it had been studied extensively, and then posted a study that didn't support your position (and in fact, supported mine). I am not sure what you expected in response.

It hasn't been studied extensively. You're just making stuff up because that's the standard line from your ilk. You don't actually do the research, and haven't been personally affected by a vaccine injury. You just rely on general knowledge because that's what you want to believe. Be honest about it.

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FLBear5630 said:

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Mothra said:

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Mothra said:

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fubar said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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I'm probably a bit older than you (I'm 64), but I don't remember anybody opposing vaccines 25 years ago. I remember a measles outbreak when I was a junior at BU -- fall of 1982 -- but I don't remember people opposing vaccines.

But even if they did then, why in the world would MAGA "conservatives" oppose a measles vaccine now?

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Vaccine schedule - and the incidence of childhood disorders like autism and ADD - were much smaller back then. You and I got around 5 immunizations as children. Last time I checked, today's kids get around 70.

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https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/09/260924020405.htm

https://news.yale.edu/2026/05/01/many-genes-have-been-linked-autism-new-study-suggests-it-may-be-their-path-brain-matters

https://www.mountsinai.org/about/newsroom/2026/new-research-reveals-autism-risk-genes-are-shared-across-ancestries

https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/27/health/autism-treatment-new-map-study

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I am not sure anyone has ever disputed a genetic component to autism. Indeed, most diseases have genetic components. The question is, what other environmental factors are contributing to the astronomical increase in autism? We know it's not genetics, because that hasn't changed. Some of it can be attributed to better diagnoses, but most studies that have looked at it say that's only a small factor. So the big question is what happened around 1986 to cause the diagnoses to go through the roof...

There is a plausible explanation.

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This has been studied extensively. Here is an NIH peer reviewed study. It looks at all the risk factors.

Personally, I think #6 is of interest as it talks of pre-birth stress on mothers during gestation. Women working in the work force and 2 income families have put women in high stress situations the whole preganancy. Can't help but wonder about that impact.


Environmental factors influencing the risk of autism - PMC

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Ironically, your link largely supports the point I was making.

First, that is not an "NIH study." It is a 2017 review article that is housed in PubMed Central. More importantly, the authors did not conduct a new population study that somehow identified "all the risk factors." They reviewed previously published literature concerning a variety of reported environmental associations.

And the central premise of the article is that autism is multifactorial, involving both genetic susceptibility and environmental influences. In other words, that is essentially the question I was raising: if genetics alone cannot explain changes occurring over a relatively short period of time, what environmental factors, possibly interacting with genetic susceptibility, might be involved?

The studies definitively alleging that there is no link between vaccines and autism don't really exist, or they are extremely flawed, as anyone who's done a deep dive on this issue can attest.

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Geez, it was a resource. I pointed out one of the conclusions that seemed interesting. That is all. NIH, PubMed, are usually reliable sources. Nothing more.

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You alleged it had been studied extensively, and then posted a study that didn't support your position (and in fact, supported mine). I am not sure what you expected in response.

It hasn't been studied extensively. You're just making stuff up because that's the standard line from your ilk. You don't actually do the research, and haven't been personally affected by a vaccine injury. You just rely on general knowledge because that's what you want to believe. Be honest about it.

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I think the world disagrees with you. I know you don't like the findings so the source doesn't count. It is pretty much settled science, if you choose not to believe it? Well, that is a you thing. But don't tell the rest of the world it hasn't been studied and there is a factual connection. I get it, my friend has a daughter with mild autism, they blamed the vaccines too. Bad stuff happens and we all want to blame something. My Dad did it with my Mom's cancer, he still blames a medication that can't cause what she had. You will never convince my Dad no matter how much science you show him.


Autism and Vaccines: Read the Science - Autism Science Foundation

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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The measles vaccine is a gimme. Not giving your kid covid or flu shots, sure, but measles? Only way parents choose that is complete ignorance of what kids getting measles looks like.

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I refuse to give my kid the Polio shot.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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I'm probably a bit older than you (I'm 64), but I don't remember anybody opposing vaccines 25 years ago. I remember a measles outbreak when I was a junior at BU -- fall of 1982 -- but I don't remember people opposing vaccines.

But even if they did then, why in the world would MAGA "conservatives" oppose a measles vaccine now?

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I always had perfect attendance in school because if you got sick, my dad would give us Castor oil and Cod Liver oil. No thanks pops, I'm gonna go share the flu with everyone.

GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Waco1947 said:

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Absolute lunacy" in honor DJ14

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If we vaccinate all the kids in Texas, will you outlaw cutting off their parts or giving them unalterable hormone treatments before they become adults?

Not vaccinating your kids = Unwise and Foolish

Giving Kids Irreversible Surgery or Hormones = Absolute Lunacy

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What a rhetorical two-step: "If we vaccinate kids, will you outlaw something else?" You're treating two completely different medical questions as though they're the same issue.

And if your point is that Texas should prohibit irreversible medical interventions for minors, you're about three years late to the argument. Texas already enacted SB 14, which prohibits physicians and other health-care providers from providing the covered gender-transitioning and gender-reassignment procedures and treatments to children under 18, subject to statutory exceptions.

So by all means argue about vaccination policy. But pretending Texas has no law addressing medical transition of minors doesn't strengthen your argumentit just makes the argument factually wrong.

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There are people like you who support transing kids. If you aren't a felon, you will vote for Talarico, a guy who is absolutely pro transing kids.

You kid predators are the worst scumbags on the planet. Any man who supports a man who is for transing kids is an ally of demons, and not a real man.

You should be ashamed of yourself and how you will twist Gods word, and how you will lie to your flock. You will be judged like the utter contemptable kid predator, pretend it doesn't matter, scumroach you are.

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You've managed to turn a political disagreement into an accusation of child predation. That isn't an argument; it's a smear.
If you want to discuss what Talarico actually supports regarding minors, then cite his specific statements, legislation, or votes and we can discuss the facts. But pretending that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a "kid predator" is intellectually lazy and morally reckless.
And invoking God doesn't magically make your accusations true. If you're going to claim that I "twist God's word," then show me where. Otherwise, you're not defending Christianityyou're using Christianity as a weapon to condemn someone you disagree with.
Calling people demons, scum, and predators may make you feel righteous, but it doesn't make your argument any stronger. It just demonstrates how quickly outrage replaces evidence when the facts aren't doing the work for you.

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fubar said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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I'm probably a bit older than you (I'm 64), but I don't remember anybody opposing vaccines 25 years ago. I remember a measles outbreak when I was a junior at BU -- fall of 1982 -- but I don't remember people opposing vaccines.

But even if they did then, why in the world would MAGA "conservatives" oppose a measles vaccine now?

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I always had perfect attendance in school because if you got sick, my dad would give us Castor oil and I

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I had perfect attendance throughout elementary school, junior high, and Senior High. I missed a week in first grade due to chickenpox. I watched a lot of Diana Shore, " See the USA in your Chevrolet."
And I can't believe it, but my Dad gave me paragoric for stomach aches. I lived to tell about it.

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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What is the "point"? Please justify your argument.

Liberal started anti vaxx way before Trump followers have

Are you really this stupid? or are just too woke

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/liberal-anti-vax-rfk-jr/

cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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What is the "point"? Please justify your argument.

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The point is this:

The title of this thread is "Right wing Lunacy" as in implying that everyone on the right believes in not getting their kids vaccines.

When in reality it is just a handful of people across the country. from BOTH sides of the aisle. The movement has been around for over 2 centuries. It is not something that just became and issue with the election of Trump.

That is the point... that the thread is trying to lump an entire group of people into the same category and ignoring reality.

For an example look at Flbears response two after yours. He is again lumping the entire right into one group because of one loon.

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

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And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

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And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

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I was on this thread for a while.

So, RFK didn't escalate this issue?

By the way, interacting is actually a complement that someone takes the time to discuss an issue. If you were a crackpot beyond talking, you would be on ignore. If you want ignore, no issues here.

FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

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And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

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I was on this thread for a while.

So, RFK didn't escalate this issue?

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He only escalated it for those with TDS who never cared about the anti vax people and then suddenly did as a chance to attack Trump.

I have seen no evidence that the movement has grown because of him. If you have some provide it.

Otherwise it is just screaming at clouds and evidence of TDS.

cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

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And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

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I was on this thread for a while.

So, RFK didn't escalate this issue?

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He only escalated it for those with TDS who never cared about the anti vax people and then suddenly did as a chance to attack Trump.

I have seen no evidence that the movement has grown because of him. If you have some provide it.

Otherwise it is just screaming at clouds and evidence of TDS.

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Oh Good Lord, there is a big difference between ignoring anti-vax hillbillies and pointing out that the Secretary of Health and Human Services is relying on junk science in his anti-vax conspiracy crap. Pointing out that Mr. Kennedy is causing harm with his stupidity isn't evidence of TDS. It's evidence of common sense.

If you don't see that, there is zero reason to engage with you.

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Absolute lunacy" in honor DJ14

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If we vaccinate all the kids in Texas, will you outlaw cutting off their parts or giving them unalterable hormone treatments before they become adults?

Not vaccinating your kids = Unwise and Foolish

Giving Kids Irreversible Surgery or Hormones = Absolute Lunacy

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What a rhetorical two-step: "If we vaccinate kids, will you outlaw something else?" You're treating two completely different medical questions as though they're the same issue.

And if your point is that Texas should prohibit irreversible medical interventions for minors, you're about three years late to the argument. Texas already enacted SB 14, which prohibits physicians and other health-care providers from providing the covered gender-transitioning and gender-reassignment procedures and treatments to children under 18, subject to statutory exceptions.

So by all means argue about vaccination policy. But pretending Texas has no law addressing medical transition of minors doesn't strengthen your argumentit just makes the argument factually wrong.

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There are people like you who support transing kids. If you aren't a felon, you will vote for Talarico, a guy who is absolutely pro transing kids.

You kid predators are the worst scumbags on the planet. Any man who supports a man who is for transing kids is an ally of demons, and not a real man.

You should be ashamed of yourself and how you will twist Gods word, and how you will lie to your flock. You will be judged like the utter contemptable kid predator, pretend it doesn't matter, scumroach you are.

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You've managed to turn a political disagreement into an accusation of child predation. That isn't an argument; it's a smear.
If you want to discuss what Talarico actually supports regarding minors, then cite his specific statements, legislation, or votes and we can discuss the facts. But pretending that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a "kid predator" is intellectually lazy and morally reckless.
And invoking God doesn't magically make your accusations true. If you're going to claim that I "twist God's word," then show me where. Otherwise, you're not defending Christianityyou're using Christianity as a weapon to condemn someone you disagree with.
Calling people demons, scum, and predators may make you feel righteous, but it doesn't make your argument any stronger. It just demonstrates how quickly outrage replaces evidence when the facts aren't doing the work for you.

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You go get the citations, he's an avowed kids transer and his favorite trannie is one that caters to kids.

Your a scumroach for supporting that. You don't believe in hell, but anyone who's willing to vote for someone who supports that is an ally of demons.

You should be ashamed of yourself. But how could you be, you lie to your flock, and you have zero respect for traditional Christianity. You make up morality based on your gay loving wims. Sicko.

I will always vote against kid predators, scumroaches.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Absolute lunacy" in honor DJ14

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If we vaccinate all the kids in Texas, will you outlaw cutting off their parts or giving them unalterable hormone treatments before they become adults?

Not vaccinating your kids = Unwise and Foolish

Giving Kids Irreversible Surgery or Hormones = Absolute Lunacy

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What a rhetorical two-step: "If we vaccinate kids, will you outlaw something else?" You're treating two completely different medical questions as though they're the same issue.

And if your point is that Texas should prohibit irreversible medical interventions for minors, you're about three years late to the argument. Texas already enacted SB 14, which prohibits physicians and other health-care providers from providing the covered gender-transitioning and gender-reassignment procedures and treatments to children under 18, subject to statutory exceptions.

So by all means argue about vaccination policy. But pretending Texas has no law addressing medical transition of minors doesn't strengthen your argumentit just makes the argument factually wrong.

---

There are people like you who support transing kids. If you aren't a felon, you will vote for Talarico, a guy who is absolutely pro transing kids.

You kid predators are the worst scumbags on the planet. Any man who supports a man who is for transing kids is an ally of demons, and not a real man.

You should be ashamed of yourself and how you will twist Gods word, and how you will lie to your flock. You will be judged like the utter contemptable kid predator, pretend it doesn't matter, scumroach you are.

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You've managed to turn a political disagreement into an accusation of child predation. That isn't an argument; it's a smear.
If you want to discuss what Talarico actually supports regarding minors, then cite his specific statements, legislation, or votes and we can discuss the facts. But pretending that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a "kid predator" is intellectually lazy and morally reckless.
And invoking God doesn't magically make your accusations true. If you're going to claim that I "twist God's word," then show me where. Otherwise, you're not defending Christianityyou're using Christianity as a weapon to condemn someone you disagree with.
Calling people demons, scum, and predators may make you feel righteous, but it doesn't make your argument any stronger. It just demonstrates how quickly outrage replaces evidence when the facts aren't doing the work for you.

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You go get the citations, he's an avowed kids transer and his favorite trannie is one that caters to kids.

Your a scumroach for supporting that. You don't believe in hell, but anyone who's willing to vote for someone who supports that is an ally of demons.

You should be ashamed of yourself. But how could you be, you lie to your flock, and you have zero respect for traditional Christianity. You make up morality based on your gay loving wims. Sicko.

I will always vote against kid predators, scumroaches.

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Have you researched this at all?

No one is against sex reassignment of minors more than me. That is not what the position on the Texas Bill was about. It was about the use of those meds. Sometimes people are against a poorly worded bill, not the concept. The current Bill is creating situations where those drugs can't be used for medical reasons. My understanding is that is the problem with the bill, not sex re-assignment.

What I don't get is just amend the bill. But, it has turned into a political weapon, as you are seeing above. It is the abortion/pro-life all over again. Reduce candidates to one issue and hammer that issue. Even better if it is so obscene like child sex re-assignment. Both sides do it. Meanwhile you have kids, mostly in rural West Texas locations that can't get meds they need because some board says the drugs can be used for sex re-assignment. The one case in the Texas Journal, they said they didn't believe that the Doctor wouldn't use it for what he said. So they said no. So the kid keeps getting bigger and bigger... Come on?

FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

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So glad he did. Don't care that it pisses off people.

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Absolute lunacy" in honor DJ14

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If we vaccinate all the kids in Texas, will you outlaw cutting off their parts or giving them unalterable hormone treatments before they become adults?

Not vaccinating your kids = Unwise and Foolish

Giving Kids Irreversible Surgery or Hormones = Absolute Lunacy

---

What a rhetorical two-step: "If we vaccinate kids, will you outlaw something else?" You're treating two completely different medical questions as though they're the same issue.

And if your point is that Texas should prohibit irreversible medical interventions for minors, you're about three years late to the argument. Texas already enacted SB 14, which prohibits physicians and other health-care providers from providing the covered gender-transitioning and gender-reassignment procedures and treatments to children under 18, subject to statutory exceptions.

So by all means argue about vaccination policy. But pretending Texas has no law addressing medical transition of minors doesn't strengthen your argumentit just makes the argument factually wrong.

---

There are people like you who support transing kids. If you aren't a felon, you will vote for Talarico, a guy who is absolutely pro transing kids.

You kid predators are the worst scumbags on the planet. Any man who supports a man who is for transing kids is an ally of demons, and not a real man.

You should be ashamed of yourself and how you will twist Gods word, and how you will lie to your flock. You will be judged like the utter contemptable kid predator, pretend it doesn't matter, scumroach you are.

---

You've managed to turn a political disagreement into an accusation of child predation. That isn't an argument; it's a smear.
If you want to discuss what Talarico actually supports regarding minors, then cite his specific statements, legislation, or votes and we can discuss the facts. But pretending that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a "kid predator" is intellectually lazy and morally reckless.
And invoking God doesn't magically make your accusations true. If you're going to claim that I "twist God's word," then show me where. Otherwise, you're not defending Christianityyou're using Christianity as a weapon to condemn someone you disagree with.
Calling people demons, scum, and predators may make you feel righteous, but it doesn't make your argument any stronger. It just demonstrates how quickly outrage replaces evidence when the facts aren't doing the work for you.

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You go get the citations, he's an avowed kids transer and his favorite trannie is one that caters to kids.

Your a scumroach for supporting that. You don't believe in hell, but anyone who's willing to vote for someone who supports that is an ally of demons.

You should be ashamed of yourself. But how could you be, you lie to your flock, and you have zero respect for traditional Christianity. You make up morality based on your gay loving wims. Sicko.

I will always vote against kid predators, scumroaches.

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Have you researched this at all?

No one is against sex reassignment of minors more than me. That is not what the position on the Texas Bill was about. It was about the use of those meds. Sometimes people are against a poorly worded bill, not the concept. The current Bill is creating situations where those drugs can't be used for medical reasons. My understanding is that is the problem with the bill, not sex re-assignment.

What I don't get is just amend the bill. But, it has turned into a political weapon, as you are seeing above. It is the abortion/pro-life all over again. Reduce candidates to one issue and hammer that issue. Even better if it is so obscene like child sex re-assignment. Both sides do it. Meanwhile you have kids, mostly in rural West Texas locations that can't get meds they need because some board says the drugs can be used for sex re-assignment. The one case in the Texas Journal, they said they didn't believe that the Doctor wouldn't use it for what he said. So they said no. So the kid keeps getting bigger and bigger... Come on?

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I pose the same question to you: Have you researched this at all? Because your statement that the bill is creating situations where drugs can't be used for medical reasons is just a demonstrably false statement.

SB 14 expressly says that its prohibition does not apply to puberty blockers used "for the purpose of normalizing puberty for a minor experiencing precocious puberty." It also expressly permits appropriate and medically necessary treatment for certain specified disorders of sex development and chromosomal abnormalities. So your conclusion above is a lie.

Let's be honest, shall we? We know that the reason Talarico, and most Democrats, voted against the bill was not because he was concerned with the drugs not being able to be used for medical reasons. That is of course the stated excuse for his refusal to support the bill.

The real issue is Dems don't want to be seen voting against this bill, because by and large they support this kind of crap. Talarico did too before it became politically necessary to change his stance.

I swear, for a seemingly smart guy, you sure do have your head in the sand on certain issues.

fubar said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

$$$$

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

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Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

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And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

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I was on this thread for a while.

So, RFK didn't escalate this issue?

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He only escalated it for those with TDS who never cared about the anti vax people and then suddenly did as a chance to attack Trump.

I have seen no evidence that the movement has grown because of him. If you have some provide it.

Otherwise it is just screaming at clouds and evidence of TDS.

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Oh Good Lord, there is a big difference between ignoring anti-vax hillbillies and pointing out that the Secretary of Health and Human Services is relying on junk science in his anti-vax conspiracy crap. Pointing out that Mr. Kennedy is causing harm with his stupidity isn't evidence of TDS. It's evidence of common sense.

If you don't see that, there is zero reason to engage with you.

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Your tds is showing.

You are calling millionaire celebs hillbillies. That's funny.

Show proof he has caused the movement to grow any more than celebs saying the EXACT same thing.

FLBear5630 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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Waco1947 said:

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Bruisers Burner Phone said:

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Waco1947 said:

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"Absolute lunacy" in honor DJ14

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If we vaccinate all the kids in Texas, will you outlaw cutting off their parts or giving them unalterable hormone treatments before they become adults?

Not vaccinating your kids = Unwise and Foolish

Giving Kids Irreversible Surgery or Hormones = Absolute Lunacy

---

What a rhetorical two-step: "If we vaccinate kids, will you outlaw something else?" You're treating two completely different medical questions as though they're the same issue.

And if your point is that Texas should prohibit irreversible medical interventions for minors, you're about three years late to the argument. Texas already enacted SB 14, which prohibits physicians and other health-care providers from providing the covered gender-transitioning and gender-reassignment procedures and treatments to children under 18, subject to statutory exceptions.

So by all means argue about vaccination policy. But pretending Texas has no law addressing medical transition of minors doesn't strengthen your argumentit just makes the argument factually wrong.

---

There are people like you who support transing kids. If you aren't a felon, you will vote for Talarico, a guy who is absolutely pro transing kids.

You kid predators are the worst scumbags on the planet. Any man who supports a man who is for transing kids is an ally of demons, and not a real man.

You should be ashamed of yourself and how you will twist Gods word, and how you will lie to your flock. You will be judged like the utter contemptable kid predator, pretend it doesn't matter, scumroach you are.

---

You've managed to turn a political disagreement into an accusation of child predation. That isn't an argument; it's a smear.
If you want to discuss what Talarico actually supports regarding minors, then cite his specific statements, legislation, or votes and we can discuss the facts. But pretending that anyone who disagrees with you is automatically a "kid predator" is intellectually lazy and morally reckless.
And invoking God doesn't magically make your accusations true. If you're going to claim that I "twist God's word," then show me where. Otherwise, you're not defending Christianityyou're using Christianity as a weapon to condemn someone you disagree with.
Calling people demons, scum, and predators may make you feel righteous, but it doesn't make your argument any stronger. It just demonstrates how quickly outrage replaces evidence when the facts aren't doing the work for you.

---

You go get the citations, he's an avowed kids transer and his favorite trannie is one that caters to kids.

Your a scumroach for supporting that. You don't believe in hell, but anyone who's willing to vote for someone who supports that is an ally of demons.

You should be ashamed of yourself. But how could you be, you lie to your flock, and you have zero respect for traditional Christianity. You make up morality based on your gay loving wims. Sicko.

I will always vote against kid predators, scumroaches.

---

Have you researched this at all?

No one is against sex reassignment of minors more than me. That is not what the position on the Texas Bill was about. It was about the use of those meds. Sometimes people are against a poorly worded bill, not the concept. The current Bill is creating situations where those drugs can't be used for medical reasons. My understanding is that is the problem with the bill, not sex re-assignment.

What I don't get is just amend the bill. But, it has turned into a political weapon, as you are seeing above. It is the abortion/pro-life all over again. Reduce candidates to one issue and hammer that issue. Even better if it is so obscene like child sex re-assignment. Both sides do it. Meanwhile you have kids, mostly in rural West Texas locations that can't get meds they need because some board says the drugs can be used for sex re-assignment. The one case in the Texas Journal, they said they didn't believe that the Doctor wouldn't use it for what he said. So they said no. So the kid keeps getting bigger and bigger... Come on?

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stupid post.

The dude is an avowed kid trans apologist.

Sometimes one issue is so reprehensible that no real man could even pretend otherwise.

You're a clown these days brother. You've lost all respectability because you don't like Trump.

Talarico is a garbage candidate. The stuff he'd attempt to pass, and the stuff he'd support is everything all real men are trying to get away from. He's an ally of the devil. You trying to murky the water on his behalf, well it's clear what that makes you.

cowboycwr said:

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fubar said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

$$$$

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

---

Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

---

Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

---

And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

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I was on this thread for a while.

So, RFK didn't escalate this issue?

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He only escalated it for those with TDS who never cared about the anti vax people and then suddenly did as a chance to attack Trump.

I have seen no evidence that the movement has grown because of him. If you have some provide it.

Otherwise it is just screaming at clouds and evidence of TDS.

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Oh Good Lord, there is a big difference between ignoring anti-vax hillbillies and pointing out that the Secretary of Health and Human Services is relying on junk science in his anti-vax conspiracy crap. Pointing out that Mr. Kennedy is causing harm with his stupidity isn't evidence of TDS. It's evidence of common sense.

If you don't see that, there is zero reason to engage with you.

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Your tds is showing.

You are calling millionaire celebs hillbillies. That's funny.

Show proof he has caused the movement to grow any more than celebs saying the EXACT same thing.

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Sick of you MAGA lackeys calling any question TDS. There is no such thing as TDS, it is a label Donald uses to discredit anyone challenging him. You sheep fall in right on cue.

How does it feel to be a sheep? Done with your Trump Youth rally?

FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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fubar said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

$$$$

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

---

Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

---

Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

---

And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

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I was on this thread for a while.

So, RFK didn't escalate this issue?

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He only escalated it for those with TDS who never cared about the anti vax people and then suddenly did as a chance to attack Trump.

I have seen no evidence that the movement has grown because of him. If you have some provide it.

Otherwise it is just screaming at clouds and evidence of TDS.

---

Oh Good Lord, there is a big difference between ignoring anti-vax hillbillies and pointing out that the Secretary of Health and Human Services is relying on junk science in his anti-vax conspiracy crap. Pointing out that Mr. Kennedy is causing harm with his stupidity isn't evidence of TDS. It's evidence of common sense.

If you don't see that, there is zero reason to engage with you.

---

Your tds is showing.

You are calling millionaire celebs hillbillies. That's funny.

Show proof he has caused the movement to grow any more than celebs saying the EXACT same thing.

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Sick of you MAGA lackeys calling any question TDS. There is no such thing as TDS, it is a label Donald uses to discredit anyone challenging him. You sheep fall in right on cue.

How does it feel to be a sheep? Done with your Trump Youth rally?

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Saying there is no TDS is the number one symptom of having TDS. So delusional.

Of course, not everything is TDS, but it certainly exists.

TinFoilHatPreacherBear said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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fubar said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

$$$$

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

---

Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

---

That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

---

Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

---

And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

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I was on this thread for a while.

So, RFK didn't escalate this issue?

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He only escalated it for those with TDS who never cared about the anti vax people and then suddenly did as a chance to attack Trump.

I have seen no evidence that the movement has grown because of him. If you have some provide it.

Otherwise it is just screaming at clouds and evidence of TDS.

---

Oh Good Lord, there is a big difference between ignoring anti-vax hillbillies and pointing out that the Secretary of Health and Human Services is relying on junk science in his anti-vax conspiracy crap. Pointing out that Mr. Kennedy is causing harm with his stupidity isn't evidence of TDS. It's evidence of common sense.

If you don't see that, there is zero reason to engage with you.

---

Your tds is showing.

You are calling millionaire celebs hillbillies. That's funny.

Show proof he has caused the movement to grow any more than celebs saying the EXACT same thing.

---

Sick of you MAGA lackeys calling any question TDS. There is no such thing as TDS, it is a label Donald uses to discredit anyone challenging him. You sheep fall in right on cue.

How does it feel to be a sheep? Done with your Trump Youth rally?

---

Saying there is no TDS is the number one symptom of having TDS. So delusional.

Of course, not everything is TDS, but it certainly exists.

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No more than the anti-Biden, anti-Obama, anti- Clinton, anti-Bush. Every President that has the reputation of not working across the aisle has opposition. Trump opposition is nothing special...He just uses it as propaganda...

FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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fubar said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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FLBear5630 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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Waco1947 said:

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cowboycwr said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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Funny thing is, 25 years ago it was the wacky liberals that generally opposed big pharmaceutical and vaccines.

$$$$

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It actually hasn't even been that long ago that it was the left. See my previous post about the actors who were anti vax. They held this view into the 20teens and some right up until 2020 and then suddenly it was covid and they were pro vax.

---

Sure, some people on the left were vaccine skeptics before COVID, and some changed their views when the pandemic hit. That's not exactly the devastating "gotcha" you think it ispeople can change their minds when circumstances and evidence change.
But if your argument is that the entire left suddenly became pro-vaccine in 2020, you're going to need more than a few actors to prove it. And if a handful of celebrities changing their minds is your evidence for what millions of people believed, congratulations: you've discovered that celebrities are not a scientific consensus.

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That is not what I am saying at all.

I am simply pointing out that this entire thread is full of people (like yourself) that miss the point about the anti-vax crowd. They act like it is something that has only come into existence with Trump and his followers when it has been around for a long, long time.

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Trump making RFK in charge of HHS brought the spotlight on this issue. It was well known that RFK holds some less that mainstream views on this item and made moves that enflamed it.

Could have put him in charge of Interior, Housing, Agriculture, Energy or just the EPA. HHS set off a **** storm and he knew it would.

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And yet this thread is not titled "One solitary nut case" but rather "Right wing lunacy" as in the entire right wing, even those that consider themselves right wing or conservatives that don't support Trump.

And because it was a chance to attack Trump and showcase your TDS while following me around the boards just for the sake of arguing you choose to interject yourself in the discussion.

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I was on this thread for a while.

So, RFK didn't escalate this issue?

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He only escalated it for those with TDS who never cared about the anti vax people and then suddenly did as a chance to attack Trump.

I have seen no evidence that the movement has grown because of him. If you have some provide it.

Otherwise it is just screaming at clouds and evidence of TDS.

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Oh Good Lord, there is a big difference between ignoring anti-vax hillbillies and pointing out that the Secretary of Health and Human Services is relying on junk science in his anti-vax conspiracy crap. Pointing out that Mr. Kennedy is causing harm with his stupidity isn't evidence of TDS. It's evidence of common sense.

If you don't see that, there is zero reason to engage with you.

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Your tds is showing.

You are calling millionaire celebs hillbillies. That's funny.

Show proof he has caused the movement to grow any more than celebs saying the EXACT same thing.

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Sick of you MAGA lackeys calling any question TDS. There is no such thing as TDS, it is a label Donald uses to discredit anyone challenging him. You sheep fall in right on cue.

How does it feel to be a sheep? Done with your Trump Youth rally?

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Dude how many times do I have to tell you that I am not maga?

There was not a single question in his post.

He called the millionaire celebs hillbillies.

Where is the evidence rfk has increased the anti vax crowd? I asked you earlier and you ignored it and instead show your tds by AGAIN calling me maga because I disagree with you.