My vote is Dary Stone. I had a Baylor coach tell me once Dary used to call Baylor head coaches directly and bypass the AD and President and tell the coaches what to do. What a crappy way to run a school.
So what regent(s) ruined Baylor Football?
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Good thread title. I don't know the answer but I'll be checking back to see the responses.
The ones that have seen the inside of the Pepper Hamilton headquarters.
You, Sir, have your priorities all mixed up. We don't need no stinkin' football!Conference Saviour said:
My vote is Dary Stone. I had a Baylor coach tell me once Dary used to call Baylor head coaches directly and bypass the AD and President and tell the coaches what to do. What a crappy way to run a school.
https://www2.baylor.edu/baylorproud/2018/02/scenes-from-sing-2018/
"This is not an institution of football."
-- Dr. David Garland
-- Dr. David Garland
As Elizabeth Barrett once wrote to Robert Browning . . . "let me count the ways"
I'm a Bearbacker
Wasn't Dary Stone's son the PK for the team? Didn't follow close enough back then to know the inside story. Was the kid really the best we had, or the best we could get? Or did dad's influence have something/everything to do with it?
Willis was the problem. Stone wasn't on the board.
Every regent in the room is responsible
Jett, were there any outside influences on Willis' leadership or was this all him?
There were 31 other people in the room
https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-ceo/2012/december/adventures-of-dallas-real-estate-executive-dary-stone/JettRink said:
Willis was the problem. Stone wasn't on the board.
"Current board chairman Richard Willis, CEO of Navarre Corp., says Stone's varied experiences have benefited Baylor. "He was very good at bringing practical solutions, making sure we were flexible, and educating the board on best practices," Willis says.
Sounds to me like Dick Willis had a mentor. Or two.
"This is not an institution of football."
-- Dr. David Garland
-- Dr. David Garland
Bump
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Fly on wall here
80sBEAR said:https://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-ceo/2012/december/adventures-of-dallas-real-estate-executive-dary-stone/JettRink said:
Willis was the problem. Stone wasn't on the board.
"Current board chairman Richard Willis, CEO of Navarre Corp., says Stone's varied experiences have benefited Baylor. "He was very good at bringing practical solutions, making sure we were flexible, and educating the board on best practices," Willis says.
Sounds to me like Dick Willis had a mentor. Or two.
In reading his bio it appears he's perhaps self made???
Seems to be a very mobile CEO(do they still contract out these type CEOs?) in differing retail and manufacturing giants???
Pretty impressive but I know nothing of his personality or leanings
If he really did that, it stands to reason that is why the BOR is so worried about personal liability. If it got out that regents, and former regents, were bypassing the chain of command I can see why they are worried. We need to see all the emails in and out of Pat Neff, the AD's emails, etc. to determine what the hell was going on. I suspect that's why we will never see them.Conference Saviour said:
My vote is Dary Stone. I had a Baylor coach tell me once Dary used to call Baylor head coaches directly and bypass the AD and President and tell the coaches what to do. What a crappy way to run a school.
We already have proof of that meddling by Buddy Jones and his "perverted little tarts" email. The BOR is so screwed up and needs a total cleansing. I know Drayton and Turner can't stand Buddy or Dary.
Here's one:
Regents not only published the 105 recommendations from Pepper Hamilton and took steps to ensure their implementation, but also wanted to go beyond Title IX requirements in addressing the problem of sexual violence, Wiles said.
"Regardless of what Pepper Hamilton recommends, this is a Christian institution. Why is this kind of stuff happening?" he asked.
Regents grieved deeply over the findings Pepper Hamilton presented, he noted. At one point, Wiles said, he led the regents in a "solemn assembly" of prayer.
"We went before the Lord and just grieved," he said. "The groanings were too deep for words. There were a number of us just crying out to God."
Keep in mind, PH never said "fire Briles".
Regents not only published the 105 recommendations from Pepper Hamilton and took steps to ensure their implementation, but also wanted to go beyond Title IX requirements in addressing the problem of sexual violence, Wiles said.
"Regardless of what Pepper Hamilton recommends, this is a Christian institution. Why is this kind of stuff happening?" he asked.
Regents grieved deeply over the findings Pepper Hamilton presented, he noted. At one point, Wiles said, he led the regents in a "solemn assembly" of prayer.
"We went before the Lord and just grieved," he said. "The groanings were too deep for words. There were a number of us just crying out to God."
Keep in mind, PH never said "fire Briles".
It's a miracle Baylor has ever had a winning season in football with Boards like they have in past and present
Snowflakes and football don't mix
Snowflakes and football don't mix
Frankly it is a miracle we have a decent academic reputation with a BOR like this. Oddly enough the BOR's in the 80s and 90s were not so bad. Oddly enough they all had to be Baptist back then but the folks who got on all ended up being more like the type of Catholic that serves on ND's BOR. That said the way Baptists are these days, I would not trust an all Baptist board anymore than I would trust the all conservative evangelical model we have moved to which is atrocious. Again we are lucky we are still regarded well academically.
Dary's meddling into things began when he became BOR chair in 2009. Prior to him his pal Buddy did the meddling. When Lilley was fired and Garland became interim, Dary effectively moved to Waco to run the university. This resulted in a full scale war against the Baylor Alumni Association among other things. The micromanagement of the administration continued through Willis and Ken Starr. Basically Stone/Willis would phone Garland/Starr, Ramsower, Elizabeth Davis, Ian, Art or whoever and tell them what they needed to be doing that day.
The seriousness of the situation was that it was a huge violation of accreditation guidelines. Baylor 's accreditation situation was cleaned up with the arrival of Linda Livingstone and the board interference ceased. Baylor's problems were not all caused football, rather began with BOR corruption that has not quite been cleaned up yet.
The seriousness of the situation was that it was a huge violation of accreditation guidelines. Baylor 's accreditation situation was cleaned up with the arrival of Linda Livingstone and the board interference ceased. Baylor's problems were not all caused football, rather began with BOR corruption that has not quite been cleaned up yet.
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To say that the corruption "has not quite been cleaned up yet" seems more than generous or disingenuous (I can't decide)!Stranger said:
Dary's meddling into things began when he became BOR chair in 2009. Prior to him his pal Buddy did the meddling. When Lilley was fired and Garland became interim, Dary effectively moved to Waco to run the university. This resulted in a full scale war against the Baylor Alumni Association among other things. The micromanagement of the administration continued through Willis and Ken Starr. Basically Stone/Willis would phone Garland/Starr, Ramsower, Elizabeth Davis, Ian, Art or whoever and tell them what they needed to be doing that day.
The seriousness of the situation was that it was a huge violation of accreditation guidelines. Baylor 's accreditation situation was cleaned up with the arrival of Linda Livingstone and the board interference ceased. Baylor's problems were not all caused football, rather began with BOR corruption that has not quite been cleaned up yet.
57Bear said:To say that the corruption "has not quite been cleaned up yet" seems more than generous or disingenuous (I can't decide)!Stranger said:
Dary's meddling into things began when he became BOR chair in 2009. Prior to him his pal Buddy did the meddling. When Lilley was fired and Garland became interim, Dary effectively moved to Waco to run the university. This resulted in a full scale war against the Baylor Alumni Association among other things. The micromanagement of the administration continued through Willis and Ken Starr. Basically Stone/Willis would phone Garland/Starr, Ramsower, Elizabeth Davis, Ian, Art or whoever and tell them what they needed to be doing that day.
The seriousness of the situation was that it was a huge violation of accreditation guidelines. Baylor 's accreditation situation was cleaned up with the arrival of Linda Livingstone and the board interference ceased. Baylor's problems were not all caused football, rather began with BOR corruption that has not quite been cleaned up yet.
You are correct sir. Not sure it gets cleaned up in my lifetime.
I'm a Bearbacker
Power struggle of agendas with them thinking that Baylor was their toy to play with or to use as a bargaining chip. All of them are guilty. They either caused the problem or allowed it to happen or to continue.
It is ludicrous for them to even ask the question as to how it could happen at a "Christian" institution. This institution is just like all other institutions....made up of flawed individuals who talk but don't walk the talk. Our students are basically no different than those at any other major university. They all have their share of bad apples. Anywhere else the board would have either resigned or been terminated for failing in their fiduciary duties. Only at Baylor can the inmates run the asylum without having to answer to anyone.
It is ludicrous for them to even ask the question as to how it could happen at a "Christian" institution. This institution is just like all other institutions....made up of flawed individuals who talk but don't walk the talk. Our students are basically no different than those at any other major university. They all have their share of bad apples. Anywhere else the board would have either resigned or been terminated for failing in their fiduciary duties. Only at Baylor can the inmates run the asylum without having to answer to anyone.
We should have dicked Willis before he dicked BU80sBEAR said:JettRink said:
Willis was the problem. Stone wasn't on the board.
Sounds to me like Dick Willis had a mentor.
Dary is an extremely vindicative man too. I have stories that would curl your toes.Stranger said:
Dary's meddling into things began when he became BOR chair in 2009. Prior to him his pal Buddy did the meddling. When Lilley was fired and Garland became interim, Dary effectively moved to Waco to run the university. This resulted in a full scale war against the Baylor Alumni Association among other things. The micromanagement of the administration continued through Willis and Ken Starr. Basically Stone/Willis would phone Garland/Starr, Ramsower, Elizabeth Davis, Ian, Art or whoever and tell them what they needed to be doing that day.
The seriousness of the situation was that it was a huge violation of accreditation guidelines. Baylor 's accreditation situation was cleaned up with the arrival of Linda Livingstone and the board interference ceased. Baylor's problems were not all caused football, rather began with BOR corruption that has not quite been cleaned up yet.
nopeyOsodecentx said:
There were 31 other people in the room
blackie said:
Power struggle of agendas with them thinking that Baylor was their toy to play with or to use as a bargaining chip. All of them are guilty. They either caused the problem or allowed it to happen or to continue.
It is ludicrous for them to even ask the question as to how it could happen at a "Christian" institution. This institution is just like all other institutions....made up of flawed individuals
Isn't this the truth that statement either tells me the guy is removed from reality, which I doubt, or being disingenuous.
He knows the stats...60-70% of Church going men view porn, 30% of pastors as well. And he somehow thinks much less mature children aren't all over this mess. Then sending them away from home with other kids don't make it worse, with all kinds of experimentation. With lots and lots of drunken bad sex.
Regarding the PH report, please see Penn State....I cant believe we paid serious coin for this non sense.
Seriously, this was a cut and past job. Embarrassing, Put this garbage on any single school not named BYU or affiliates and it would stick.
What a joke to pay a group of lesbo's to espouse a singular message without questioning the accused.
Deplorable. Honestly, does anyone here accept the conclusions without reference from the accused?
Go ahead and fire whomever you want, pay them whatever you choose, just dont take the MORAL HIGH GROUND WITH OUT QUESTION....always 2 sides to any story, and this is coming from someone who was accused and NOT indicted in Williamson County from a lady who's father said he could indict a "Ham Sandwich".
FYI, the accuser spent 63 days in jail for "misleading the court".
Only cost me 18,000 bucks....what a load of crap.
Seriously, this was a cut and past job. Embarrassing, Put this garbage on any single school not named BYU or affiliates and it would stick.
What a joke to pay a group of lesbo's to espouse a singular message without questioning the accused.
Deplorable. Honestly, does anyone here accept the conclusions without reference from the accused?
Go ahead and fire whomever you want, pay them whatever you choose, just dont take the MORAL HIGH GROUND WITH OUT QUESTION....always 2 sides to any story, and this is coming from someone who was accused and NOT indicted in Williamson County from a lady who's father said he could indict a "Ham Sandwich".
FYI, the accuser spent 63 days in jail for "misleading the court".
Only cost me 18,000 bucks....what a load of crap.
It's like anything else in our country right now
When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.
When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.
Most excellent post, Sir. That pretty much sums it up. You gotta pay to play to even have a say.cBUrurenthusism said:
It's like anything else in our country right now
When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.
"This is not an institution of football."
-- Dr. David Garland
-- Dr. David Garland
80sBEAR said:Most excellent post, Sir. That pretty much sums it up. You gotta pay to play to even have a say.cBUrurenthusism said:
It's like anything else in our country right now
When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.
.... and they're really ruining my day!
If anything comes out of this that's positive it is to teach our children a lesson Art probably wishes he had stuck to every minute of every day - you can't buy honor and integrity with money.80sBEAR said:Most excellent post, Sir. That pretty much sums it up. You gotta pay to play to even have a say.cBUrurenthusism said:
It's like anything else in our country right now
When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.
Amen Brother! Where is JettRink? I thought for sure he would be back here to share his infinite wisdom and vision of Baylor.cBUrurenthusism said:If anything comes out of this that's positive it is to teach our children a lesson Art probably wishes he had stuck to every minute of every day - you can't buy honor and integrity with money.80sBEAR said:Most excellent post, Sir. That pretty much sums it up. You gotta pay to play to even have a say.cBUrurenthusism said:
It's like anything else in our country right now
When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.
"This is not an institution of football."
-- Dr. David Garland
-- Dr. David Garland
We will never know, but my guess is that the PH report included graphic detail that would have damaged Baylor even more than the summary report. Thus the emotional reaction of the regents and the decision to never produce a full written report. Not sure what else the regents could have done.
So, don't worry your pretty little heads about this. Just move on. Nothing to see. Trust us!Bearly said:
We will never know, but my guess is that the PH report included graphic detail that would have damaged Baylor even more than the summary report. Thus the emotional reaction of the regents and the decision to never produce a full written report. Not sure what else the regents could have done.
BS
My guess is that BOR was looking for a sacrifice to take their place
What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?
JXL said:
What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?
Exactly
No matter what, Baylor Football had to and was going to be taken down
Whatever it took they were going down.
UT and ESPN gets what they want