Bearly said:

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We will never know, but my guess is that the PH report included graphic detail that would have damaged Baylor even more than the summary report. Thus the emotional reaction of the regents and the decision to never produce a full written report. Not sure what else the regents could have done.

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I may be wrong, but I thought they had made the decision not to receive a written report BEFORE they heard the oral briefing from PH that made them all wail to heaven.

cBUrurenthusism said:

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It's like anything else in our country right now

When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.

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I agree.

I believe that Sloan was able to load up the BOR with "yes men" that were there because they agreed with his agenda. This practice continued by BOR leadership where they pushed the agendas of the BOR Chairmen. Many were connected to the FOB Organization. I hope that is no longer the case.

I was puzzled by the Baylor Leadership (e.g. Ken Starr) during the Pepper Hamilton Investigation. The leadership seemed to be inactive for the 6-9 months waiting for the PH investigation to complete. some action should have been put in process during that 6-9 month time period. I am guessing this happened because the BOR was micromanaging the University and the Baylor Leaders were somewhat powerless to address the problem.

Guy Noir said:

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cBUrurenthusism said:

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It's like anything else in our country right now

When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.

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I agree.

I believe that Sloan was able to load up the BOR with "yes men" that were there because they agreed with his agenda. This practice continued by BOR leadership where they pushed the agendas of the BOR Chairmen. Many were connected to the FOB Organization. I hope that is no longer the case.

I was puzzled by the Baylor Leadership (e.g. Ken Starr) during the Pepper Hamilton Investigation. The leadership seemed to be inactive for the 6-9 months waiting for the PH investigation to complete. some action should have been put in process during that 6-9 month time period. I am guessing this happened because the BOR was micromanaging the University and the Baylor Leaders were somewhat powerless to address the problem.

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That's all pretty close. Kenneth Starr couldn't lead a silent prayer.

Bearly said:

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We will never know, but my guess is that the PH report included graphic detail that would have damaged Baylor even more than the summary report. Thus the emotional reaction of the regents and the decision to never produce a full written report. Not sure what else the regents could have done.

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They never wanted a full report because the BOR was extremely worried about personal liability. It would have exposed Buddy and Dary too much.

BOR blew it big time.

They took a problem and made it cataclysmic

Guy Noir said:

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cBUrurenthusism said:

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It's like anything else in our country right now

When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.

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I agree.

I believe that Sloan was able to load up the BOR with "yes men" that were there because they agreed with his agenda. This practice continued by BOR leadership where they pushed the agendas of the BOR Chairmen. Many were connected to the FOB Organization. I hope that is no longer the case.

I was puzzled by the Baylor Leadership (e.g. Ken Starr) during the Pepper Hamilton Investigation. The leadership seemed to be inactive for the 6-9 months waiting for the PH investigation to complete. some action should have been put in process during that 6-9 month time period. I am guessing this happened because the BOR was micromanaging the University and the Baylor Leaders were somewhat powerless to address the problem.

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Do you know how to use the "Wayback Machine" for internet page archives?

Goto
http://archive.org/web/
or google Wayback Machine.

at the top type in FriendsOfBaylor.com then hit {Enter}

I went to the the year with a lot of saves which was 2004. I then randomly chose June 14th.

Now you have an archived webpage. Click on the "Membership" tab and read the names. Any familiar ones on there?

Florda_mike said:

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JXL said:

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What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?

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Exactly

No matter what, Baylor Football had to and was going to be taken down

Whatever it took they were going down.

UT and ESPN gets what they want

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There was no conspiracy. The 9 other conference members told Baylor to schedule better but Ian and Art were too dense to get it. "That means you Baylor."

Baylor football didn't create a penny of bowl money towards conference members till 2010. Thus, you can imagine how pissed off the conference was when Art tried to get up under Bowlsby (he is the tv money guy that works with the networks to allow schools to have money to pay coaches $6 million and not win a major bowl) and ignored the request to schedule better.

Briles was a liability to making money. It was an easy decision at ESPN to cover our Briles related scandal. The conference didn't protect Baylor. In fact, they still hold our tv money. There's your hidden message - don't screw with the tv money.

xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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JXL said:

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What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?

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Exactly

No matter what, Baylor Football had to and was going to be taken down

Whatever it took they were going down.

UT and ESPN gets what they want

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There was no conspiracy. The 9 other conference members told Baylor to schedule better but Ian and Art were too dense to get it. "That means you Baylor."

Baylor football didn't create a penny of bowl money towards conference members till 2010. Thus, you can imagine how pissed off the conference was when Art tried to get up under Bowlsby (he is the tv money guy that works with the networks to allow schools to have money to pay coaches $6 million and not win a major bowl) and ignored the request to schedule better.

Briles was a liability to making money. It was an easy decision at ESPN to cover our Briles related scandal. The conference didn't protect Baylor. In fact, they still hold our tv money. There's your hidden message - don't screw with the tv money.

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^^^ I can't tell if you're making my point but just doing with another variable?

Conference Saviour said:

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My vote is Dary Stone. I had a Baylor coach tell me once Dary used to call Baylor head coaches directly and bypass the AD and President and tell the coaches what to do. What a crappy way to run a school.

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None. This is on Art

Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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JXL said:

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What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?

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Exactly

No matter what, Baylor Football had to and was going to be taken down

Whatever it took they were going down.

UT and ESPN gets what they want

---

There was no conspiracy. The 9 other conference members told Baylor to schedule better but Ian and Art were too dense to get it. "That means you Baylor."

Baylor football didn't create a penny of bowl money towards conference members till 2010. Thus, you can imagine how pissed off the conference was when Art tried to get up under Bowlsby (he is the tv money guy that works with the networks to allow schools to have money to pay coaches $6 million and not win a major bowl) and ignored the request to schedule better.

Briles was a liability to making money. It was an easy decision at ESPN to cover our Briles related scandal. The conference didn't protect Baylor. In fact, they still hold our tv money. There's your hidden message - don't screw with the tv money.

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^^^ I can't tell if you're making my point but just doing with another variable?

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Your point is valid but it wasn't a conspiracy by ESPN. There was no support inside the conference to protect our athletic department or football program after our failing to be a good partner.

xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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JXL said:

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What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?

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Exactly

No matter what, Baylor Football had to and was going to be taken down

Whatever it took they were going down.

UT and ESPN gets what they want

---

There was no conspiracy. The 9 other conference members told Baylor to schedule better but Ian and Art were too dense to get it. "That means you Baylor."

Baylor football didn't create a penny of bowl money towards conference members till 2010. Thus, you can imagine how pissed off the conference was when Art tried to get up under Bowlsby (he is the tv money guy that works with the networks to allow schools to have money to pay coaches $6 million and not win a major bowl) and ignored the request to schedule better.

Briles was a liability to making money. It was an easy decision at ESPN to cover our Briles related scandal. The conference didn't protect Baylor. In fact, they still hold our tv money. There's your hidden message - don't screw with the tv money.

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^^^ I can't tell if you're making my point but just doing with another variable?

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Your point is valid but it wasn't a conspiracy by ESPN. There was no support inside the conference to protect our athletic department or football program after our failing to be a good partner.

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But most posters fall into two categories around here:
The secular schools hate Christian schools
We beat them too much so they took us down

So your "it is always about money" argument does not hit with them.

JXL said:

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What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?

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Not with the bunch we had in the board room and in Pat Neff or the genius PR consultants we use. No real way to answer your question, but it (the storm) has blown over at OU, Tennessee. Florida State, Mississippi (or Miss State, whichever it was), likely at Michigan State, and a dozen other well-known universities. Multiple times at some of these places.

Anyone hear of any public or media outrage that 20% of coeds at UT report they were a victim of sexual abuse during the four years on campus?.........didn't think so.

The problem I have with PH from what I have read, and that is all I really have to go on, is that they seem to fit the narrative to the answer they want going in. In other words, people are guilty till proven innocent. You don't bring in the IRS when you think you have a tax problem. You go to a good CPA to verify if you have a problem first. We skipped that part and went directly to the IRS and told them.....we think we might have taxes we haven't paid, but are not sure. Could you help us out?

A previous poster probably had the right slant. It wasn't going away because of UT and ESPN (and their tie to UT). None of those other universities I mentioned fit the bill of causing so many problems for their cash cows. We were the fly in the ointment. Where it might have blown over somewhere else, it wasn't going to blow over here because we were rocking the football boat. Pity the next school that tries to do so.

NoBSU said:

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Guy Noir said:

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cBUrurenthusism said:

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It's like anything else in our country right now

When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.

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I agree.

I believe that Sloan was able to load up the BOR with "yes men" that were there because they agreed with his agenda. This practice continued by BOR leadership where they pushed the agendas of the BOR Chairmen. Many were connected to the FOB Organization. I hope that is no longer the case.

I was puzzled by the Baylor Leadership (e.g. Ken Starr) during the Pepper Hamilton Investigation. The leadership seemed to be inactive for the 6-9 months waiting for the PH investigation to complete. some action should have been put in process during that 6-9 month time period. I am guessing this happened because the BOR was micromanaging the University and the Baylor Leaders were somewhat powerless to address the problem.

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Do you know how to use the "Wayback Machine" for internet page archives?

Goto
http://archive.org/web/
or google Wayback Machine.

at the top type in FriendsOfBaylor.com then hit {Enter}

I went to the the year with a lot of saves which was 2004. I then randomly chose June 14th.

Now you have an archived webpage. Click on the "Membership" tab and read the names. Any familiar ones on there?


I see that, thanks for the information.

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Guy Noir said:

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NoBSU said:

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Guy Noir said:

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cBUrurenthusism said:

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It's like anything else in our country right now

When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.

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I agree.

I believe that Sloan was able to load up the BOR with "yes men" that were there because they agreed with his agenda. This practice continued by BOR leadership where they pushed the agendas of the BOR Chairmen. Many were connected to the FOB Organization. I hope that is no longer the case.

I was puzzled by the Baylor Leadership (e.g. Ken Starr) during the Pepper Hamilton Investigation. The leadership seemed to be inactive for the 6-9 months waiting for the PH investigation to complete. some action should have been put in process during that 6-9 month time period. I am guessing this happened because the BOR was micromanaging the University and the Baylor Leaders were somewhat powerless to address the problem.

---

Do you know how to use the "Wayback Machine" for internet page archives?

Goto
http://archive.org/web/
or google Wayback Machine.

at the top type in FriendsOfBaylor.com then hit {Enter}

I went to the the year with a lot of saves which was 2004. I then randomly chose June 14th.

Now you have an archived webpage. Click on the "Membership" tab and read the names. Any familiar ones on there?


I see that, thanks for the information.

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You mentioned FOB and it is amazing how many listed above in this thread are on that list. Plus a WSJ interviewee and a PH case manager.

NoBSU said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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xiledinok said:

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Florda_mike said:

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JXL said:

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What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?

---

Exactly

No matter what, Baylor Football had to and was going to be taken down

Whatever it took they were going down.

UT and ESPN gets what they want

---

There was no conspiracy. The 9 other conference members told Baylor to schedule better but Ian and Art were too dense to get it. "That means you Baylor."

Baylor football didn't create a penny of bowl money towards conference members till 2010. Thus, you can imagine how pissed off the conference was when Art tried to get up under Bowlsby (he is the tv money guy that works with the networks to allow schools to have money to pay coaches $6 million and not win a major bowl) and ignored the request to schedule better.

Briles was a liability to making money. It was an easy decision at ESPN to cover our Briles related scandal. The conference didn't protect Baylor. In fact, they still hold our tv money. There's your hidden message - don't screw with the tv money.

---

^^^ I can't tell if you're making my point but just doing with another variable?

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Your point is valid but it wasn't a conspiracy by ESPN. There was no support inside the conference to protect our athletic department or football program after our failing to be a good partner.

---

But most posters fall into two categories around here:
The secular schools hate Christian schools
We beat them too much so they took us down

So your "it is always about money" argument does not hit with them.

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Yes it does too

Secular schools are where the money is in general

And ALL your points are intertwined one way or another to form a much more lengthy and complicated answer

Same takedown did happen at Tech though as they were an odd state school sacrificed as they began to take too much of the pie

blackie said:

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JXL said:

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What would have happened if we didn't bring in PH but circled the wagons instead? Does anyone really think the storm would have blown over with no repercussions?

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Not with the bunch we had in the board room and in Pat Neff or the genius PR consultants we use. No real way to answer your question, but it (the storm) has blown over at OU, Tennessee. Florida State, Mississippi (or Miss State, whichever it was), likely at Michigan State, and a dozen other well-known universities. Multiple times at some of these places.

Anyone hear of any public or media outrage that 20% of coeds at UT report they were a victim of sexual abuse during the four years on campus?.........didn't think so.

The problem I have with PH from what I have read, and that is all I really have to go on, is that they seem to fit the narrative to the answer they want going in. In other words, people are guilty till proven innocent. You don't bring in the IRS when you think you have a tax problem. You go to a good CPA to verify if you have a problem first. We skipped that part and went directly to the IRS and told them.....we think we might have taxes we haven't paid, but are not sure. Could you help us out?

A previous poster probably had the right slant. It wasn't going away because of UT and ESPN (and their tie to UT). None of those other universities I mentioned fit the bill of causing so many problems for their cash cows. We were the fly in the ointment. Where it might have blown over somewhere else, it wasn't going to blow over here because we were rocking the football boat. Pity the next school that tries to do so.

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NoBSU said:

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Guy Noir said:

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NoBSU said:

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Guy Noir said:

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cBUrurenthusism said:

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It's like anything else in our country right now

When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.

---

I agree.

I believe that Sloan was able to load up the BOR with "yes men" that were there because they agreed with his agenda. This practice continued by BOR leadership where they pushed the agendas of the BOR Chairmen. Many were connected to the FOB Organization. I hope that is no longer the case.

I was puzzled by the Baylor Leadership (e.g. Ken Starr) during the Pepper Hamilton Investigation. The leadership seemed to be inactive for the 6-9 months waiting for the PH investigation to complete. some action should have been put in process during that 6-9 month time period. I am guessing this happened because the BOR was micromanaging the University and the Baylor Leaders were somewhat powerless to address the problem.

---

Do you know how to use the "Wayback Machine" for internet page archives?

Goto
http://archive.org/web/
or google Wayback Machine.

at the top type in FriendsOfBaylor.com then hit {Enter}

I went to the the year with a lot of saves which was 2004. I then randomly chose June 14th.

Now you have an archived webpage. Click on the "Membership" tab and read the names. Any familiar ones on there?


I see that, thanks for the information.

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You mentioned FOB and it is amazing how many listed above in this thread are on that list. Plus a WSJ interviewee and a PH case manager.

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From early 2005...

FRIENDS OF BAYLOR LEADERSHIP
Co-Chairs
Arnie & Rosie Cavazos
Partner, Cavazos, Hendricks & Poirot
Cary Gray
Attorney, Looper, Reed & McGraw
Jim Hawkins
Chairman, First City Financial Corporation
Neal Jeffrey
Assoc. Pastor, Prestonwood Baptist Church
Skip McBride
Senior Partner, Bracewell & Patterson
Ron Murff
President, Guaranty Retail Bank
Bob Perry
CEO, Perry Homes
Harold Riley
Chairman, Citizens, Inc.
Clifton Robinson
Chairman & CEO, National Lloyds Insurance Baylor
Dary Stone
Vice Chairman, Cousins Properties

Man - this list is really relevant and timely - NOT!

Reporter said:

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Man - this list is really relevant and timely - NOT!

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Timely? Absolutely not, since several are no longer drawing breath. But relevant it is and will continue to be so as long as they occupy a position on the BOR.

JettRink said:

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Willis was the problem. Stone wasn't on the board.

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Stone still made calls and so did Buddy. Both of them meddled and directed a lot of stuff they should have had no business in.

If we could see the emails we'd be shocked.

Dungeon Athletics said:

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NoBSU said:

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Guy Noir said:

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NoBSU said:

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Guy Noir said:

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cBUrurenthusism said:

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It's like anything else in our country right now

When you populate something like the Board of Regents based solely on rewarding them for either their connections, or how rich and how much money they give to the school and don't include some very smart very high quality normal working people that just want to do what's best for the school, you're going to end up with a bunch of bad decisions.

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I agree.

I believe that Sloan was able to load up the BOR with "yes men" that were there because they agreed with his agenda. This practice continued by BOR leadership where they pushed the agendas of the BOR Chairmen. Many were connected to the FOB Organization. I hope that is no longer the case.

I was puzzled by the Baylor Leadership (e.g. Ken Starr) during the Pepper Hamilton Investigation. The leadership seemed to be inactive for the 6-9 months waiting for the PH investigation to complete. some action should have been put in process during that 6-9 month time period. I am guessing this happened because the BOR was micromanaging the University and the Baylor Leaders were somewhat powerless to address the problem.

---

Do you know how to use the "Wayback Machine" for internet page archives?

Goto
http://archive.org/web/
or google Wayback Machine.

at the top type in FriendsOfBaylor.com then hit {Enter}

I went to the the year with a lot of saves which was 2004. I then randomly chose June 14th.

Now you have an archived webpage. Click on the "Membership" tab and read the names. Any familiar ones on there?


I see that, thanks for the information.

---

---

You mentioned FOB and it is amazing how many listed above in this thread are on that list. Plus a WSJ interviewee and a PH case manager.

---

From early 2005...

FRIENDS OF BAYLOR LEADERSHIP
Co-Chairs
Arnie & Rosie Cavazos
Partner, Cavazos, Hendricks & Poirot
Cary Gray
Attorney, Looper, Reed & McGraw
Jim Hawkins
Chairman, First City Financial Corporation
Neal Jeffrey
Assoc. Pastor, Prestonwood Baptist Church
Skip McBride
Senior Partner, Bracewell & Patterson
Ron Murff
President, Guaranty Retail Bank
Bob Perry
CEO, Perry Homes
Harold Riley
Chairman, Citizens, Inc.
Clifton Robinson
Chairman & CEO, National Lloyds Insurance Baylor
Dary Stone
Vice Chairman, Cousins Properties

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3 on that list are no longer of this mortal world:

Harold Riley (died 2017)
Bob Perry (died 2013)
Guaranty Bank (killed 2009)

Hahahaha, nice WT.

I went to a banking conference and they walked through a valuation of a mortgage backed security and why Guaranty failed.

Aside from his involvement in screwing up at Baylor, he is a punch line in Dallas banking circles.

Fire Murff.

Thought I'd pass along the opinion of a graduating student that was shared last week. Through my work with a healthcare organization I met a recent grad that had been accepted into a prestigious medical school. Star student, great representative of Baylor and sure to be a success.

His opinion was that the student body was disgusted with the board as well. Regents like Buddy Jones were front running the administrators and the corruption in which they gather in the suites and luxury events at Baylor has caused irreparable harm in terms of reputation.

They know how the money is spent, they can read the Form 990, they know that the payouts to rape victims and allowing people to circumvent rules was going on, aided and abetted by board members.

Bottom line, the perception of the students is that the Board at Baylor is corrupt and they wouldn't tolerate the hypocrisy of them trying to dictate behavior to students when their own examples fell very short of the university mission.

Baylor isn't gonna heal until those people are gone.

Uh, all of them?

I'd say at least 20% of them should've already been told to resign by Allison, if he would be honest with himself.

Tiny Elvis said:

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I'd say at least 20% of them should've already been told to resign by Allison, if he would be honest with himself.

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This is a guy who runs a hospital. He loves to tell people he's a CEO, but the reality is, a group of Doctors or a Chief Nursing officer can run him out of the building. He doesn't have enough of a clinical background to be a leader of a healthcare organization in the same sense that say Mark Hurd is the CEO of Oracle. He just doesn't wield that power. Success in his field is recruiting doctors and negotiating with insurance firms.

Point being, he's a consensus builder and compromise broker. In some situations, that's nice.

But right now, Baylor needs a change agent. Someone who will bring conflict, pressure and action on the problem at hand.

They bet on the storm blowing over. But people simply aren't foolish enough to believe it.