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Illegal immigration does pick your pocket. It just does it one penny at a time so that you don't notice it until all you pull out is some dusty lint. A few bones get broken along the way as well; you have just been lucky enough to stay out of the way.

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Govt picks your pocket by the dollar, puts border control inside the border where it costs all of us for shipping delays, and interdicts far less drugs and immigrants than the undermanned guys on tbe border.

But yeah, keep having your migrant fear parties.

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Illegal immigration does pick your pocket. It just does it one penny at a time so that you don't notice it until all you pull out is some dusty lint. A few bones get broken along the way as well; you have just been lucky enough to stay out of the way.

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The welfare state and taxation picks my pocket. I like to attack the problems directly.

I haven't checked the science on this, but I'd venture to guess a broken bone at the hands of another human being hurts the same regardless of his or her citizenship status.

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Yes on welfare and tax, but endless illegal immigration is equally bad if not worse in long run

A wise man said you can't balance the family budget with an endless flow of new people into your back door that you're responsible to feed. Eventually some can't afford to be fed and they then fight or steal for their own survival. Others are injured and could be killed if its a choice the starving have to make. If the flow of new people into the back door is allowed to continue the actions mentioned above increase at an increasing rate. At some point everyone has to share what's available and gets less and less in order to keep the starving from killing.

Imagine the above happening to an entire country and there being an elite political class completely walled off and isolated from this misery and it's consequences! Imagine them making themselves saviors by creating food opportunities for all that served properly to eek out meal each day if they just did right. If these actions allowed the political class to be considered saint and savior of those staving and this allowed the politicians to continue to serve eternally would or could they allow such a thing? Would the politicians allow endless immigration if it allowed them and their families to have their futures safe from any of this? Could politicians be such people?

Could that be a possibility here? Has it happened elsewhere? Is it happening now

Probably would never happen here, huh?

Oh well, I don't want to think such thoughts just like Quash and Cinquettes and their ilk. Gotta have those democrat votes that are hemorrhaging to the right on a daily basis

Carry on ...........

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Crash Davis said:

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Illegal immigration does pick your pocket. It just does it one penny at a time so that you don't notice it until all you pull out is some dusty lint. A few bones get broken along the way as well; you have just been lucky enough to stay out of the way.

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The welfare state and taxation picks my pocket. I like to attack the problems directly.

I haven't checked the science on this, but I'd venture to guess a broken bone at the hands of another human being hurts the same regardless of his or her citizenship status.

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Yes on welfare and tax, but endless illegal immigration is equally bad if not worse in long run

A wise man said you can't balance the family budget with an endless flow of new people into your back door that you're responsible to feed. Eventually some can't afford to be fed and they then fight or steal for their own survival. Others are injured and could be killed if its a choice the starving have to make. If the flow of new people into the back door is allowed to continue the actions mentioned above increase at an increasing rate. At some point everyone has to share what's available and gets less and less in order to keep the starving from killing.

Imagine the above happening to an entire country and there being an elite political class completely walled off and isolated from this misery and it's consequences! Imagine them making themselves saviors by creating food opportunities for all that served properly to eek out meal each day if they just did right. If these actions allowed the political class to be considered saint and savior of those staving and this allowed the politicians to continue to serve eternally would or could they allow such a thing? Would the politicians allow endless immigration if it allowed them and their families to have their futures safe from any of this? Could politicians be such people?

Could that be a possibility here? Has it happened elsewhere? Is it happening now

Probably would never happen here, huh?

Oh well, I don't want to think such thoughts

Carry on ...........

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Trust the free market. It works itself out when the government gets out of the way. Let's really start draining the swamp...can we start with the Department of Homeland Security?

By draining the corrupt?

Yeah we can start anytime you want and continue on and on and on to the other alphabet orgs too

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By draining the corrupt?

Yeah we can start anytime you want and continue on and on and on to the other alphabet orgs too

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I'm ready. Hopefully at some point during my lifetime we can elect a president that is committed to significantly downsizing government. Unfortunately populism is the flavor of the month.

And Trump supported the Kelo v City of New London decision...if you think he isn't part of the swamp you are delusional. That is about as swampy as it gets.

.... on Kelo vs New London ......

We are in an eminent domain issue on a property we own as we speak

It happens

They pay you fair value or close and then build what they need usually for progress. I invest what they pay elsewhere. My attorney is paid by them

No big deal. I've been against eminent domain until going through this process. When I got initial letter making me aware that our property could be taken I freaked out due to my ignorance of the process and what I'd heard from others. Not now, as it's not that bad and they give you plenty of time and money to adjust if you hire right attorneys

Ask around and get advice about best attorney for your particular property as you'll be inundated with lawyer postcards that are settling other cases on the same eminent domain case you're involved

All else fails post your issue on this board or others for wise advice of those that have been there done that.

That's my eminent domain survival story

Things have to get torn down for progress I've stubbornly admitted as I've grown older as I do like places(Waco especially as it's where I grew up decades ago) to stay same as way back then. Things change and out with old and in with new happens, it's inevitable

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.... on Kelo vs New London ......

We are in an eminent domain issue on a property we own as we speak

It happens

They pay you fair value or close and then build what they need usually for progress. I invest what they pay elsewhere. My attorney is paid by them

No big deal. I've been against eminent domain until going through this process. When I got initial letter making me aware that our property could be taken I freaked out do to my ignorance of the process and what I'd heard from others. Not now, as it's not that bad and they give you plenty of time and money to adjust if you hire right attorneys

Ask around and get advice about best attorney for your particular property as you'll be inundated with lawyer postcards that are settling other cases on the same eminent domain case you're involved

All else fails post your issue on this board or others for wise advice of those that have been there done that.

That's my eminent domain survival story

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Eminent domain survival stories don't have happy endings just because you got paid. The state takes property from people who had no desire to sell. In those cases the greenback salve did not heal the wound.

But you statists love you some eminent domain power.

Quash you are so dishonest as you know I'm far from what you know as a "statist!" That's a joke I'd assume?

Anyway have you had a personal experience with eminent domain or do you just have the fear of eminent domain because of what you've heard or read

Progress of cities, and its economies, are tied to infrastructure progress that's tied to this eminent domain issue. More roads mean more people will be able to live there means a larger supply of people vying for the limited homes in area means rising home values usually

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Florda_mike said:

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.... on Kelo vs New London ......

We are in an eminent domain issue on a property we own as we speak

It happens

They pay you fair value or close and then build what they need usually for progress. I invest what they pay elsewhere. My attorney is paid by them

No big deal. I've been against eminent domain until going through this process. When I got initial letter making me aware that our property could be taken I freaked out do to my ignorance of the process and what I'd heard from others. Not now, as it's not that bad and they give you plenty of time and money to adjust if you hire right attorneys

Ask around and get advice about best attorney for your particular property as you'll be inundated with lawyer postcards that are settling other cases on the same eminent domain case you're involved

All else fails post your issue on this board or others for wise advice of those that have been there done that.

That's my eminent domain survival story

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Eminent domain survival stories don't have happy endings just because you got paid. The state takes property from people who had no desire to sell. In those cases the greenback salve did not heal the wound.

But you statists love you some eminent domain power.

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If you do not have adequate or competent representation (i.e. $$ to hire it) you may end up with less than FMV for the property. Sometimes property has sentimental value, for which there is no compensation.

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.... on Kelo vs New London ......

We are in an eminent domain issue on a property we own as we speak

It happens

They pay you fair value or close and then build what they need usually for progress. I invest what they pay elsewhere. My attorney is paid by them

No big deal. I've been against eminent domain until going through this process. When I got initial letter making me aware that our property could be taken I freaked out do to my ignorance of the process and what I'd heard from others. Not now, as it's not that bad and they give you plenty of time and money to adjust if you hire right attorneys

Ask around and get advice about best attorney for your particular property as you'll be inundated with lawyer postcards that are settling other cases on the same eminent domain case you're involved

All else fails post your issue on this board or others for wise advice of those that have been there done that.

That's my eminent domain survival story

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Eminent domain survival stories don't have happy endings just because you got paid. The state takes property from people who had no desire to sell. In those cases the greenback salve did not heal the wound.

But you statists love you some eminent domain power.

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If you do not have adequate or competent representation (i.e. $$ to hire it) you may end up with less than FMV for the property. Sometimes property has sentimental value, for which there is no compensation.

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Have you gone through the process on your own property?

Representation costs nothing is my experience! The "defendant" is inundated with attorneys wishing for your case and taking it on contingency is my experience from myself and others I got advice from that have gone through process in past. Property is property and sentimental is what it is but sometimes life forces you to just move on without a person or property you've had in your past. Property is easier to do without than people is my experience too

Maybe Canada or someone has an eminent domain story they could share?

I'd be interested in any potential pitfalls?

On 2 occasions the Great State of Texas demanded land to widen/build streets to the south and east of the farm.

On the east side we took the states initial offer as the new road connects to the interstate..greatly increasing our land value.

However years earlier when the state wanted land to widen an existing road to the south.....I felt the offer was low. So we appealed the offer ( no attorney involved ). Got a slight increase ....took almost 2 years.....still felt it was low.

Finally the state threatened to condemn the land they wanted outright. And the state boys made a point to remind me they had attorneys on salary and could litigate me to death as need be.

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Quash you are so dishonest as you know I'm far from what you know as a "statist!" That's a joke I'd assume?

Anyway have you had a personal experience with eminent domain or do you just have the fear of eminent domain because of what you've heard or read

Progress of cities, and its economies, are tied to infrastructure progress that's tied to this eminent domain issue. More roads mean more people will be able to live there means a larger supply of people vying for the limited homes in area means rising home values usually

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Dude, you are making tbe case for govt to take private property. It doesn't get much more statist than that. The buyout doesn't change the fact that it is a use of state power to seize land.

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TexasScientist said:

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Florda_mike said:

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.... on Kelo vs New London ......

We are in an eminent domain issue on a property we own as we speak

It happens

They pay you fair value or close and then build what they need usually for progress. I invest what they pay elsewhere. My attorney is paid by them

No big deal. I've been against eminent domain until going through this process. When I got initial letter making me aware that our property could be taken I freaked out do to my ignorance of the process and what I'd heard from others. Not now, as it's not that bad and they give you plenty of time and money to adjust if you hire right attorneys

Ask around and get advice about best attorney for your particular property as you'll be inundated with lawyer postcards that are settling other cases on the same eminent domain case you're involved

All else fails post your issue on this board or others for wise advice of those that have been there done that.

That's my eminent domain survival story

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Eminent domain survival stories don't have happy endings just because you got paid. The state takes property from people who had no desire to sell. In those cases the greenback salve did not heal the wound.

But you statists love you some eminent domain power.

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If you do not have adequate or competent representation (i.e. $$ to hire it) you may end up with less than FMV for the property. Sometimes property has sentimental value, for which there is no compensation.

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Have you gone through the process on your own property?

Representation costs nothing is my experience! The "defendant" is inundated with attorneys wishing for your case and taking it on contingency is my experience from myself and others I got advice from that have gone through process in past. Property is property and sentimental is what it is but sometimes life forces you to just move on without a person or property you've had in your past. Property is easier to do without than people is my experience too

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Jebus, lawyers must love you. Contingency does not mean it cost you nothing.

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Quash you are so dishonest as you know I'm far from what you know as a "statist!" That's a joke I'd assume?

Anyway have you had a personal experience with eminent domain or do you just have the fear of eminent domain because of what you've heard or read

Progress of cities, and its economies, are tied to infrastructure progress that's tied to this eminent domain issue. More roads mean more people will be able to live there means a larger supply of people vying for the limited homes in area means rising home values usually

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Dude, you are making tbe case for govt to take private property. It doesn't get much more statist than that. The buyout doesn't change the fact that it is a use of state power to seize land.

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It's required for progress that allows for land and home values to increase because it proceeds increase of population. NOTE See Canada above as it greatly increase his land value he said!!!

Change has to happen and we get compensation without closing costs of realtor, Doc Stamps, Title etc. no search for someone to buy property as it provides built in buyer

No biggie just move on from property not married to

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Quash you are so dishonest as you know I'm far from what you know as a "statist!" That's a joke I'd assume?

Anyway have you had a personal experience with eminent domain or do you just have the fear of eminent domain because of what you've heard or read

Progress of cities, and its economies, are tied to infrastructure progress that's tied to this eminent domain issue. More roads mean more people will be able to live there means a larger supply of people vying for the limited homes in area means rising home values usually

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Dude, you are m3aking tbe case for govt to take private property. It doesn't get much more statist than that. The buyout doesn't change the fact that it is a use of state power to seize land.

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It's required for progress that allows for land and home values to increase because it proceeds increase of population. NOTE See Canada above as it greatly increase his land value he said!!!

Change has to happen and we get compensation without closing costs of realtor, Doc Stamps, Title etc. no search for someone to buy property as it provides built in buyer

No biggie just move on from property not married to

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The state. Takes private property.

No biggie...

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}-All I know is I love my Mexican housekeeper of 22 yrs. She helped raise my 2 kids who are now bilingual. She' and her family are part of our family!

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Is she a legal immigrant?

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Never asked the question, but doubt it!

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You hired a household employee without asking whether they had legal working status? So you must be committing tax fraud also by not paying her withholding tax. I guess I'd be for open borders and amnesty too if I were in your shoes.

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LOL Who cares? Person A offers contract and person B accepts...nobody got hurt. Goodness gracious, you must be the king of snowflake mountain.

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Who cares .....seriously ?

If I hired illegals it was a $ 10,000 fine per offense . Not getting 'caught 'doesn't make it right .

Besides my wife had some friends back in El Paso who had 'maids' from Juarez. The gals each (supposedly ) had green cards ( legal work permits ). Every one of them got fired eventually for stealing . Every.....one.

'Cheap labor' is never cheap in the long run .

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Conversely, not all laws are just/effective/relaveant ...can't believe I'm having to explain this to a "republican"...the small government party hahahahhahahahaha

Nobody is forcing you or your wife to hire Hispanics, legal or otherwise. Free markets...feel free to embrace them at some point. Y'all don't trust Hispanics? Great! Don't hire them. No skin off y'all's back.

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Serious question, crash. Is it a workable system for individuals to decide which laws are "just/effective/relevant"? If deciding that a law is unjust or ineffective, and thus you need not follow it, how is there any law and order at all? Maybe your position is that the laws should be changed, but surely you believe in following them until such point, no?

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I mean, everyone already operates that way, right? It's just a question of to what extent. Every one of y'all speeds. Many of y'all probably blatantly disregarded underage drinking laws in high school and college. Many on this board have smoked weed.

I don't think it is difficult to understand which laws are most important - the ones that are in place to dissuade people from physically harming other people or their property. "If it neither breaks my bones nor picks my pocket, what difference does it make to me?"

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No, not everyone does. I don't speed. Didn't drink in high school and no weed. My dad was a highway patrolman. I was raised respecting the law. I don't decided which ones matter or not. Are you 12?

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Good for you. You're the only person I've encountered in my entire life that hasn't broken a law. I'm sure you made your daddy very proud.

I am an adult...as was Thomas Aquinas.

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I don't break the law intentionally. I am 50...gotten two speeding tickets in my life...both were unintentional as I did not see the sign. It was my fault. I don't pick and choose which laws to follow.

Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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It's poor black people! None of these Christian men care about them....

let them eat cake

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Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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It's poor black people! None of these Christian men care about them....

let them eat cake

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What? Please explain

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Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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It's poor black people! None of these Christian men care about them....

let them eat cake

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What? Please explain

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It's a reference to Marie Antoinette. Cake is the stuff that stuck to the pan, not the good stuff.

Here is my eminent domain story. I had a nice place on the corner of highway 6 and CR 118 just outside Reisel about 15 years ago. !0 acres and a two story house. It was close enough to my other land and much closer to work. It had a nice stock tank I swam in almost every night after work. I kept cows that were close to calving there so I could keep an eye on them.

Well, the state decided to widen highway 6. They told me they were buying the frontage acres and would pay for my fencing. At first I didnt think it was a big deal. They were paying a little over what I would have gotten if I had sold the two acres. The first man that came by said they would asses the place and pay me for the loss in the value of my house created by the highway being within a stone throw of the front porch. I was against selling but i didnt have a choice.

When the man came with the papers for final sale the price was for two acres and a 1000 for fencework. Nothing for the lesser value of my house. I had no choice but to sign and figure I lost about 20,000 on the deal.

I went and built a better bigger house on my ranch in Moody but it was a bad deal for me. They didnt want to move the railroad over so all the widening came out of my frontage. If they had taken another 50 feet they would have bought my house, as they did with many closer to Marlin.

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Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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It's poor black people! None of these Christian men care about them....

let them eat cake

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What? Please explain

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It's a reference to Marie Antoinette. Cake is the stuff that stuck to the pan, not the good stuff.

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This is a 'merican site. Keep your bugger eating french stuff off this MAGA board, go be french or something

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Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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You understand the misleading spin from this article right? His research took into account only data from the Census Bureau's American Housing Survey which provides a moving category for "government displacement," not loss of ownership. Being displaced from the home did not mean that you owned the home, and did not mean that a move was caused by an eminent domain issue. This category includes such other reasons as structural condemnation, violation evictions in government housing, court ordered evictions, among others. Loss of ownership through eminent domain occurs far more often among landowners in rural and suburban areas. A vast majority of the "households in poverty" were forced to move from a home that they were renting, or in which they were being provided government assistance; these did not involve losing ownership of the property, simply a move to another rental unit or different government housing situation.

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Here is my imminent domain story. I had a nice place on the corner of highway 6 and CR 118 just outside Reisel about 15 years ago. !0 acres and a two story house. It was close enough to my other land and much closer two work. It had a nice stock tank I swam in almost every night after work. I kept cows that were close to calving there so I could keep an eye on them.

Well, the state decided to widen highway 6. They told me they were buying the frontage acres and would pay for my fencing. At first I didnt think it was a big deal. They were paying a little over what I would have gotten if I had sold the two acres. The first man that came by said they would asses the place and pay me for the loss in the value of my house created by the highway being within a stone throw of the front porch. I was against selling but i didnt have a choice.

When the man came with the papers for final sale the price was for two acres and a 1000 for fencework. Nothing for the lesser value of my house. I had no choice but to sign and figure I lost about 20,000 on the deal.

I went and built a better bigger house on my ranch in Moody but it was a bad deal for me. They didnt want to move the railroad over so all the widening came out of my frontage. If they had taken another 50 feet they would have bought my house, as they did with many closer to Marlin.

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I understand

When they widened the street to the south it made one smaller field practically unusable .

Not much you can realistically do about it .

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Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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It's poor black people! None of these Christian men care about them....

let them eat cake

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What? Please explain

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It's a reference to Marie Antoinette. Cake is the stuff that stuck to the pan, not the good stuff.

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Figured Mike would at least know about her because of Queen:

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}-All I know is I love my Mexican housekeeper of 22 yrs. She helped raise my 2 kids who are now bilingual. She' and her family are part of our family!

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Is she a legal immigrant?

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Never asked the question, but doubt it!

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You hired a household employee without asking whether they had legal working status? So you must be committing tax fraud also by not paying her withholding tax. I guess I'd be for open borders and amnesty too if I were in your shoes.

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LOL Who cares? Person A offers contract and person B accepts...nobody got hurt. Goodness gracious, you must be the king of snowflake mountain.

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Who cares .....seriously ?

If I hired illegals it was a $ 10,000 fine per offense . Not getting 'caught 'doesn't make it right .

Besides my wife had some friends back in El Paso who had 'maids' from Juarez. The gals each (supposedly ) had green cards ( legal work permits ). Every one of them got fired eventually for stealing . Every.....one.

'Cheap labor' is never cheap in the long run .

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Conversely, not all laws are just/effective/relaveant ...can't believe I'm having to explain this to a "republican"...the small government party hahahahhahahahaha

Nobody is forcing you or your wife to hire Hispanics, legal or otherwise. Free markets...feel free to embrace them at some point. Y'all don't trust Hispanics? Great! Don't hire them. No skin off y'all's back.

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Serious question, crash. Is it a workable system for individuals to decide which laws are "just/effective/relevant"? If deciding that a law is unjust or ineffective, and thus you need not follow it, how is there any law and order at all? Maybe your position is that the laws should be changed, but surely you believe in following them until such point, no?

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I mean, everyone already operates that way, right? It's just a question of to what extent. Every one of y'all speeds. Many of y'all probably blatantly disregarded underage drinking laws in high school and college. Many on this board have smoked weed.

I don't think it is difficult to understand which laws are most important - the ones that are in place to dissuade people from physically harming other people or their property. "If it neither breaks my bones nor picks my pocket, what difference does it make to me?"

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No, not everyone does. I don't speed. Didn't drink in high school and no weed. My dad was a highway patrolman. I was raised respecting the law. I don't decided which ones matter or not. Are you 12?

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Good for you. You're the only person I've encountered in my entire life that hasn't broken a law. I'm sure you made your daddy very proud.

I am an adult...as was Thomas Aquinas.

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I don't break the law intentionally. I am 50...gotten two speeding tickets in my life...both were unintentional as I did not see the sign. It was my fault. I don't pick and choose which laws to follow.

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You and I were raised very differently and that is ok. My family history probably lends itself to viewing government and authority in a very different light.

I don't think most people view speeding as a big deal, but to each his own.

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Quash you are so dishonest as you know I'm far from what you know as a "statist!" That's a joke I'd assume?

Anyway have you had a personal experience with eminent domain or do you just have the fear of eminent domain because of what you've heard or read

Progress of cities, and its economies, are tied to infrastructure progress that's tied to this eminent domain issue. More roads mean more people will be able to live there means a larger supply of people vying for the limited homes in area means rising home values usually

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Goodness gracious. You and I have a very different view of the role of government. You think government projects spark progress and economic growth? Yikes. You better hope your city never "wins" a bid to host the Olympics.



Oh, by the way, how is that economic growth going in New London?

https://fee.org/articles/ten-years-after-kelo-v-new-london/

"As I noted on the fifth anniversary of the Kelo decision, not only did the redevelopment fail to go as planned, Pfizer closed its research facility in 2009 and the land where the Kelo petitioners' homes once stood is now occupied only by waist-high weeds, feral cats, and perhaps today some leftover trash from when it was used as a dump in the aftermath of Hurricane Irene."

Unbelievable that sheep like you still buy the government's lines hook, line, and sinker. You're yelling "drain the swamp" and don't even realize you're floating down it in an innertube.

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Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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You understand the misleading spin from this article right? His research took into account only data from the Census Bureau's American Housing Survey which provides a moving category for "government displacement," not loss of ownership. Being displaced from the home did not mean that you owned the home, and did not mean that a move was caused by an eminent domain issue. This category includes such other reasons as structural condemnation, violation evictions in government housing, court ordered evictions, among others. Loss of ownership through eminent domain occurs far more often among landowners in rural and suburban areas. A vast majority of the "households in poverty" were forced to move from a home that they were renting, or in which they were being provided government assistance; these did not involve losing ownership of the property, simply a move to another rental unit or different government housing situation.

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It's not misleading when he says right in the article it was the closest data he could find.

Limited IQ Redneck in PU said:

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Here is my eminent domain story. I had a nice place on the corner of highway 6 and CR 118 just outside Reisel about 15 years ago. !0 acres and a two story house. It was close enough to my other land and much closer to work. It had a nice stock tank I swam in almost every night after work. I kept cows that were close to calving there so I could keep an eye on them.

Well, the state decided to widen highway 6. They told me they were buying the frontage acres and would pay for my fencing. At first I didnt think it was a big deal. They were paying a little over what I would have gotten if I had sold the two acres. The first man that came by said they would asses the place and pay me for the loss in the value of my house created by the highway being within a stone throw of the front porch. I was against selling but i didnt have a choice.

When the man came with the papers for final sale the price was for two acres and a 1000 for fencework. Nothing for the lesser value of my house. I had no choice but to sign and figure I lost about 20,000 on the deal.

I went and built a better bigger house on my ranch in Moody but it was a bad deal for me. They didnt want to move the railroad over so all the widening came out of my frontage. If they had taken another 50 feet they would have bought my house, as they did with many closer to Marlin.

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Sorry about that. GF and I had a beer at the Lumberyard not 2 weeks ago.

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Malbec said:

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quash said:

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Of course if you're white and wealthy it really is no biggie.

As a Cato economist noted: "Since Kelo, about 29% of households displaced by government action have been African-American, about twice that of the general population. As concerning is that about 32% are households in poverty, again about twice the rate of the overall population. If you're poor or African-American, you are twice as likely as households overall to be displaced by government action."

https://www.cato.org/blog/million-homes-taken-kelo

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You understand the misleading spin from this article right? His research took into account only data from the Census Bureau's American Housing Survey which provides a moving category for "government displacement," not loss of ownership. Being displaced from the home did not mean that you owned the home, and did not mean that a move was caused by an eminent domain issue. This category includes such other reasons as structural condemnation, violation evictions in government housing, court ordered evictions, among others. Loss of ownership through eminent domain occurs far more often among landowners in rural and suburban areas. A vast majority of the "households in poverty" were forced to move from a home that they were renting, or in which they were being provided government assistance; these did not involve losing ownership of the property, simply a move to another rental unit or different government housing situation.

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It's not misleading when he says right in the article it was the closest data he could find.

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It is misleading to use a portion of a blatantly flawed survey (which by the way, didn't even include comparison figures from prior to Kelo) to suggest a racial disparity in eminent domain cases created by Kelo.

What is the rate at which people in poverty live in government subsidized housing compared to the rest of the population, since those people are the most frequently "displaced by government"? This is sort of like saying, "A study found that there are more than 100,000 deaths by drug overdose every year since Bill Clinton left office, and then saying, "Therefor, people who use public transportation are dying from a heroin overdose at ten times the rate of those that drive luxury sedans, due to George W Bush."