I don't think so.

No. I got up and walked out when they asked me to sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic. It was years ago but I would do it again.

Losers, both, sad....get a life and get smarter.

KOK QB 70 said:

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Losers, both, sad....get a life and get smarter.

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Christian worship bothers you?

chuckle

The bizarre things some people choose to get upset about.

Gotta luv the internet ....such a numbers game.

Cinque, my Baptist pastor says hello.

Not upset. I answered a question. Then someone called names.

Have have attended many Catholic services and dont remember any patriotic hymns. I usually went to the early mass which was in Spanish. I attended Sacred Heart in Waco for a few years. So tell me Canadian, does the church you attend spend much time promoting nationalism?

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chuckle

The bizarre things some people choose to get upset about.

Gotta luv the internet ....such a numbers game.

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Since you're such a poorly catechized Catholic, I feel compelled to share this perspective of a well catechized Catholic:

This past Sunday, after Mass (and the traditional singing of "America the Beautiful"), I asked the celebrant, a priest from the Czech Republic, if they do that sort of thing in his homeland. He shook his head. "Never. Maybe on feast of St. Cyril and St. Methodius. But really, no." I have suspected for a while that this is a distinctly American custom; understandably, it has its supporters and detractors.
Kevin De Young is not a fan:

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Please think twice before putting on a Star Spangled gala in church this Sunday. I love to hear the national anthem and "God Bless America" and "My Country, Tis of Thee," but not in church where the nations gather to worship the King of all peoples. I love to see the presentation of colors and salute our veterans, but these would be better at the Memorial Day parade or during a time of remembrance at the cemetery. Earthly worship should reflect the on-going worship in heaven. And while there are many Americans singing glorious songs to Jesus there, they are not singing songs about the glories of America. We must hold to the traditions of the Apostles in our worship, not the traditions of American history. The church should not ask of her people what is not required in Scripture. So how can we ask the Koreans and Chinese and Mexicans and South Africans in our churches to pledge allegiance to a flag that is not theirs? Are we gathered under the banner of Christ or another banner? Is the church of Jesus Christour Jewish Lord and Saviorfor those draped in the red, white, and blue or for those washed in the blood of the Lamb?

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Not upset. I answered a question. Then someone called names.

Have have attended many Catholic services and dont remember any patriotic hymns. I usually went to the early mass which was in Spanish. I attended Sacred Heart in Waco for a few years. So tell me Canadian, does the church you attend spend much time promoting nationalism?

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Of course.

There is an American flag off to one side of the alter.

It is common for the Deacon to ask the Lord's Blessing for ' our military personnel and first responders '. Also common for Father Gregg to ask the entire congregation to pray for our military and guidance to all world leaders.

Maybe once or twice can I remember the Battle Hymn of the Republic sung at a Mass.

Never thought of it as nationalistic....rather as a regular hymn.


But seriously ....if leftists want to attempt to make an issue of any of this ...... they can have a nice day .

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I don't think so.

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Then don't sing. Take a knee.

Or abort a baby.

Or call someone racist.

Do what you do to make yourself the center of your world.

cinque said:

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Canada2017 said:

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chuckle

The bizarre things some people choose to get upset about.

Gotta luv the internet ....such a numbers game.

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Since you're such a poorly catechized Catholic, I feel compelled to share this perspective of a well catechized Catholic:

This past Sunday, after Mass (and the traditional singing of "America the Beautiful"), I asked the celebrant, a priest from the Czech Republic, if they do that sort of thing in his homeland. He shook his head. "Never. Maybe on feast of St. Cyril and St. Methodius. But really, no." I have suspected for a while that this is a distinctly American custom; understandably, it has its supporters and detractors.
Kevin De Young is not a fan:

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Please think twice before putting on a Star Spangled gala in church this Sunday. I love to hear the national anthem and "God Bless America" and "My Country, Tis of Thee," but not in church where the nations gather to worship the King of all peoples. I love to see the presentation of colors and salute our veterans, but these would be better at the Memorial Day parade or during a time of remembrance at the cemetery. Earthly worship should reflect the on-going worship in heaven. And while there are many Americans singing glorious songs to Jesus there, they are not singing songs about the glories of America. We must hold to the traditions of the Apostles in our worship, not the traditions of American history. The church should not ask of her people what is not required in Scripture. So how can we ask the Koreans and Chinese and Mexicans and South Africans in our churches to pledge allegiance to a flag that is not theirs? Are we gathered under the banner of Christ or another banner? Is the church of Jesus Christour Jewish Lord and Saviorfor those draped in the red, white, and blue or for those washed in the blood of the Lamb?

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You're not 'compelled ' ....merely an under medicated closet case trolling the internet 24/7 for nickels .

Thank God I don't have your life .

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cinque said:

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I don't think so.

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Then don't sing. Take a knee.

Or abort a baby.

Or call someone racist.

Do what you do to make yourself the center of your world.

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We don't have flags nor do we sing patriotic songs in worship. We do, however take to our knees quite often.

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No. I got up and walked out when they asked me to sing the Battle Hymn of the Republic. It was years ago but I would do it again.

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Why?

Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
He is trampling out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored,
He has loosed the fateful lightning of His terrible swift sword
His truth is marching on.
Chorus:
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
Glory! Glory! Hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.

I have seen Him in the watch-fires of a hundred circling camps
They have builded Him an altar in the evening dews and damps
I can read His righteous sentence by the dim and flaring lamps
His day is marching on.

Chorus
I have read a fiery gospel writ in burnish`d rows of steel,
"As ye deal with my contemnors, so with you my grace shall deal;"
Let the Hero, born of woman, crush the serpent with his heel
Since God is marching on.

Chorus
He has sounded from the trumpet that shall never call retreat
He is sifting out the hearts of men before His judgment-seat
Oh, be swift, my soul, to answer Him! Be jubilant, my feet!
Our God is marching on.

Chorus
In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me:
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.

Not even one reference to the USA.

It's the internet ....anyone and everyone can complain about the most ridiculous things .

Some can even make a few nickels in the process. A 24 hour effort might bring in $ 2.25

Lucky them

Limited can clear this up, but I suspect it had something to do with his southern pride and that song being the Union army go to song.

As to the OP, I've always been in favor of a strong separation of church and state. This applies to your question as well.

This week I can see reasons for having a patriotic themed service. Some current events may find a need for it as well, but generally speaking, the two should not be mixed.

GrowlTowel said:

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cinque said:

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I don't think so.

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Then don't sing. Take a knee.

Or abort a baby.

Or call someone racist.

Do what you do to make yourself the center of your world.

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This wins the internet! And embarrass cinque, the pretend Christian.

fadskier said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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cinque said:

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I don't think so.

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Then don't sing. Take a knee.

Or abort a baby.

Or call someone racist.

Do what you do to make yourself the center of your world.

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This wins the internet! And embarrass cinque, the pretend Christian.

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Yes it does. I laughed out loud.

El Oso said:

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Limited can clear this up, but I suspect it had something to do with his southern pride and that song being the Union army go to song.

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thanks oso. I mistakenly thought everyone knew the history of the song

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El Oso said:

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Limited can clear this up, but I suspect it had something to do with his southern pride and that song being the Union army go to song.

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thanks oso. I mistakenly thought everyone knew the history of the song

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It's even more anti-South when you consider that the tune was originally used for what could only be described as a hymn to John Brown, who was presented in the song as an anti-slavery martyr.

cinque said:

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I don't think so.

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No.

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El Oso said:

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Limited can clear this up, but I suspect it had something to do with his southern pride and that song being the Union army go to song.

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thanks oso. I mistakenly thought everyone knew the history of the song

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Oh come on....

Even if a guy is looking for a reason to stroll out of church early....this is still weak.

The words to the song are those of a hymn....hardly those of the Marching Through Georgia version .

Since cinque thinks it's wrong, that means it is probably something we should do.

What about "Onward Christian Soldiers"?

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Canada2017 said:

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chuckle

The bizarre things some people choose to get upset about.

Gotta luv the internet ....such a numbers game.

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Since you're such a poorly catechized Catholic, I feel compelled to share this perspective of a well catechized Catholic:

This past Sunday, after Mass (and the traditional singing of "America the Beautiful"), I asked the celebrant, a priest from the Czech Republic, if they do that sort of thing in his homeland. He shook his head. "Never. Maybe on feast of St. Cyril and St. Methodius. But really, no." I have suspected for a while that this is a distinctly American custom; understandably, it has its supporters and detractors.
Kevin De Young is not a fan:

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Please think twice before putting on a Star Spangled gala in church this Sunday. I love to hear the national anthem and "God Bless America" and "My Country, Tis of Thee," but not in church where the nations gather to worship the King of all peoples. I love to see the presentation of colors and salute our veterans, but these would be better at the Memorial Day parade or during a time of remembrance at the cemetery. Earthly worship should reflect the on-going worship in heaven. And while there are many Americans singing glorious songs to Jesus there, they are not singing songs about the glories of America. We must hold to the traditions of the Apostles in our worship, not the traditions of American history. The church should not ask of her people what is not required in Scripture. So how can we ask the Koreans and Chinese and Mexicans and South Africans in our churches to pledge allegiance to a flag that is not theirs? Are we gathered under the banner of Christ or another banner? Is the church of Jesus Christour Jewish Lord and Saviorfor those draped in the red, white, and blue or for those washed in the blood of the Lamb?

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Yeah, we certainly shouldn't celebrate our country. And if people in attendance that we sing and celebrate our country, they are free to find another church.

And congratulations, you have made many a stupid post, but this one is the stupidest...not to mention your precious feelings getting hurt.

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This past Sunday, after Mass (and the traditional singing of "America the Beautiful"), I asked the celebrant, a priest from the Czech Republic, if they do that sort of thing in his homeland. He shook his head. "Never. Maybe on feast of St. Cyril and St. Methodius. But really, no." I have suspected for a while that this is a distinctly American custom; understandably, it has its supporters and detractors.
Kevin De Young is not a fan:

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This weekend (at least at the 6PM Saturday mass, we also sung "America the Beautiful" According to most websites, this is considered a hymn (a religious song).

Based on the lyrics, it appears to be a song of praise, gratitude, and petition to the Lord. Our church will only sing these type of songs prior to Memorial and Independence Day.

I did some quick research in the GIRM (General Instruction of the Roman Missal) and could not find anything against signing a song like this. While the song is blatantly "'merican", it also worships the Lord and respects what the document released in 2007 by the USCCB (United States Council of Catholic Bishops) called Sing to the Lord: Music in Divine Worship calls cultural diversity.

I find no issue singing an America hymn in mass around an American holiday.

Flags: I had to check pictures of the our church to confirm that we do indeed have two flags in our church. One American and one Papal flag. Both approximately 25-30 away from the alter on each side. They are far enough away from the alter and ambo to not attract attention.

I read on theUSCCB site that the practice of flags in the sanctuary started during WWII as a reminder for people to pray for loved ones during times of war/conflict.

The USCCB goes on to state that they have request that flags NOT be placed in the sanctuary itself, in "order to reserve that space for the altar, the ambo, the presidential chair and the tabernacle."

I am not sure if an intra-church debate over whether we are currently at war is worth the time and energy for our parish.

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Since you're such a poorly catechized Catholic, I feel compelled to share this perspective of a well catechized Catholic:

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cinque - Do you believe that a truly well-catechized Catholic can be Pro-choice in the classical definition?

PS.. I was a poorly-catechized Catholic for the first 40 year of my life (thanks to confusion post-Vatican II). I have since been on a discovery for the last 8 years though my own study. I would consider myself to be well-catechized at this point.

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GrowlTowel said:

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cinque said:

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I don't think so.

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Then don't sing. Take a knee.

Or abort a baby.

Or call someone racist.

Do what you do to make yourself the center of your world.

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This wins the internet! And embarrass cinque, the pretend Christian.

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Not a real big fan of doubting somebody's faith. You must be a "good" Christian. I think I hear Lee Greenwood in the background whilst waving the red, white, and blue. Merica, damnit!

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fadskier said:

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GrowlTowel said:

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cinque said:

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I don't think so.

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Then don't sing. Take a knee.

Or abort a baby.

Or call someone racist.

Do what you do to make yourself the center of your world.

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This wins the internet! And embarrass cinque, the pretend Christian.

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Not a real big fan of doubting somebody's faith. You must be a "good" Christian. I think I hear Lee Greenwood in the background whilst waving the red, white, and blue. Merica, damnit!

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Nope, but if you'll read a lot of cinques posts, you'll see why I call him pretend. You must be a good Christian yourself.

My understanding of the teachings of Jesus is such that I don't think he would approve of patriotic flags and songs being used as part of a worship service.

Midnight Rider said:

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My understanding of the teachings of Jesus is such that I don't think he would approve of patriotic flags and songs being used as part of a worship service.

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Does your church have the American flag or sing patriotic songs ?

KOK QB 70 said:

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Losers, both, sad....get a life and get smarter.

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Hi Donald!

KOK QB 70 said:

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Cinque, my Baptist pastor says hello.

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good luck with your Baptist preacher man

Canada2017 said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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My understanding of the teachings of Jesus is such that I don't think he would approve of patriotic flags and songs being used as part of a worship service.

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Does your church have the American flag or sing patriotic songs ?

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Nope.

Canada2017 said:

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Midnight Rider said:

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My understanding of the teachings of Jesus is such that I don't think he would approve of patriotic flags and songs being used as part of a worship service.

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Does your church have the American flag or sing patriotic songs ?

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Nope and I would move on if it did.

That's totally fine.

What denomination is the Church ?