How can anyone believe the intelligence community?

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Osodecentx
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corncob pipe said:

Question in 2016: Will Trump Win The Election?

Answer From The American Intelligence Community: No, no, we'll stop him.
This isn't true. "The Intelligence Community" is much more than 2 FBI employees. I can find no such quotes from any other intelligence agency employee (CIA, NSA, DIA, etc)
Doc Holliday
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That unbiased FBI we had...



So if we vote Republican, we don't care about this country's values?

James Comey questions our patriotism unless we support The Party.

This hack was in charge of the FBI for years. Now THAT is scary.

- Comey admitted his wife and daughters marched in the D.C anti-Trump ***** hat celebration. (imagine that pillow talk)
-- Lisa Paige admited today that she's a Democrat and wanted to stop Trump.
-- Strzoke did the same via texts.
-- McCabe got nearly $750,000 dollars from the Clinton backed group for his wives run for senate as a Democrat.
-- Mueller hires not a single person that has a record of donating to a Republican. Many of whom directly donated to Hillary.
-- Mueller's "Pitbull" Andy Weissman attending Hillary's "Victory Party" in D.C.
The list goes on and and on.
But hey guys, "Robert Mueller is a Republican." Totally ignore that he initially hired them all for his "investigation."
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
quash
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Doc Holliday said:

That unbiased FBI we had...



So if we vote Republican, we don't care about this country's values?

James Comey questions our patriotism unless we support The Party.

This hack was in charge of the FBI for years. Now THAT is scary.

- Comey admitted his wife and daughters marched in the D.C anti-Trump ***** hat celebration. (imagine that pillow talk)
-- Lisa Paige admited today that she's a Democrat and wanted to stop Trump.
-- Strzoke did the same via texts.
-- McCabe got nearly $750,000 dollars from the Clinton backed group for his wives run for senate as a Democrat.
-- Mueller hires not a single person that has a record of donating to a Republican. Many of whom directly donated to Hillary.
-- Mueller's "Pitbull" Andy Weissman attending Hillary's "Victory Party" in D.C.
The list goes on and and on.
But hey guys, "Robert Mueller is a Republican." Totally ignore that he initially hired them all for his "investigation."

You just made Comey's point. You're both wrong.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Doc Holliday
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quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

That unbiased FBI we had...



So if we vote Republican, we don't care about this country's values?

James Comey questions our patriotism unless we support The Party.

This hack was in charge of the FBI for years. Now THAT is scary.

- Comey admitted his wife and daughters marched in the D.C anti-Trump ***** hat celebration. (imagine that pillow talk)
-- Lisa Paige admited today that she's a Democrat and wanted to stop Trump.
-- Strzoke did the same via texts.
-- McCabe got nearly $750,000 dollars from the Clinton backed group for his wives run for senate as a Democrat.
-- Mueller hires not a single person that has a record of donating to a Republican. Many of whom directly donated to Hillary.
-- Mueller's "Pitbull" Andy Weissman attending Hillary's "Victory Party" in D.C.
The list goes on and and on.
But hey guys, "Robert Mueller is a Republican." Totally ignore that he initially hired them all for his "investigation."

You just made Comey's point. You're both wrong.
How am I wrong?
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
Doc Holliday
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These people said tax cuts were going to start Armageddon.

That the end of net neutrality was going to literally kill people.

That Trump meeting with North Korea would lead to WWIII.

Now a summit press conference is treason.

It's hysterical and ridiculous.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
Doc Holliday
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
Golem
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Doc Holliday said:


At the height of the cold war, he voted with the communists? That is pretty disgusting right there. What a piece of dog $#17.

Golem
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Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

That unbiased FBI we had...



So if we vote Republican, we don't care about this country's values?

James Comey questions our patriotism unless we support The Party.

This hack was in charge of the FBI for years. Now THAT is scary.

- Comey admitted his wife and daughters marched in the D.C anti-Trump ***** hat celebration. (imagine that pillow talk)
-- Lisa Paige admited today that she's a Democrat and wanted to stop Trump.
-- Strzoke did the same via texts.
-- McCabe got nearly $750,000 dollars from the Clinton backed group for his wives run for senate as a Democrat.
-- Mueller hires not a single person that has a record of donating to a Republican. Many of whom directly donated to Hillary.
-- Mueller's "Pitbull" Andy Weissman attending Hillary's "Victory Party" in D.C.
The list goes on and and on.
But hey guys, "Robert Mueller is a Republican." Totally ignore that he initially hired them all for his "investigation."

You just made Comey's point. You're both wrong.
How am I wrong?
Don't bother with quash. He just says things. Half the time he doesn't know what he means.
Limited IQ Redneck in PU
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President Trump just said he believes them.
I have found theres only two ways to go:
Living fast or dying slow.
I dont want to live forever.
But I will live while I'm here.
corncob pipe
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Osodecentx said:

corncob pipe said:

Question in 2016: Will Trump Win The Election?

Answer From The American Intelligence Community: No, no, we'll stop him.
This isn't true. "The Intelligence Community" is much more than 2 FBI employees. I can find no such quotes from any other intelligence agency employee (CIA, NSA, DIA, etc)
Stzrok contracted out to 2 of those in his career
quash
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GolemIII said:

Doc Holliday said:

quash said:

Doc Holliday said:

That unbiased FBI we had...



So if we vote Republican, we don't care about this country's values?

James Comey questions our patriotism unless we support The Party.

This hack was in charge of the FBI for years. Now THAT is scary.

- Comey admitted his wife and daughters marched in the D.C anti-Trump ***** hat celebration. (imagine that pillow talk)
-- Lisa Paige admited today that she's a Democrat and wanted to stop Trump.
-- Strzoke did the same via texts.
-- McCabe got nearly $750,000 dollars from the Clinton backed group for his wives run for senate as a Democrat.
-- Mueller hires not a single person that has a record of donating to a Republican. Many of whom directly donated to Hillary.
-- Mueller's "Pitbull" Andy Weissman attending Hillary's "Victory Party" in D.C.
The list goes on and and on.
But hey guys, "Robert Mueller is a Republican." Totally ignore that he initially hired them all for his "investigation."

You just made Comey's point. You're both wrong.
How am I wrong?
Don't bother with quash. He just says things. Half the time he doesn't know what he means.

"I really don't care. Do U?"
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
Osodecentx
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corncob pipe said:

Osodecentx said:

corncob pipe said:

Question in 2016: Will Trump Win The Election?

Answer From The American Intelligence Community: No, no, we'll stop him.
This isn't true. "The Intelligence Community" is much more than 2 FBI employees. I can find no such quotes from any other intelligence agency employee (CIA, NSA, DIA, etc)
Stzrok contracted out to 2 of those in his career
One guy isn't the intelligence community
corncob pipe
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but he was a "special" envoy to President Obama, and worked simultaneously for the CIA and FBI

just sayin
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cinque
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corncob pipe said:


Did he mention at whose direction the IC lied about Iraq?
corncob pipe
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who ordered the FISA request
Doc Holliday
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corncob pipe said:

who ordered the FISA request
Brennan
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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Johnny Bear said:

Doc Holliday said:

J.R. said:

I believe our Intelligence folks everyday over Trumps who is know daily liar. Our folks aren't perfect and make mistakes, but they are not subversive and untrustworthy like Trumps is. Trumps is about Trumps, nothing else.
You shouldn't. It's clear as day that they tried to stop him from being president.
There you go, trying to reason with a lib democrat like J.R. again. I respect the attempt, but it's pointless.
You can't reason with.

If you've gone off the deep end into leftism then you have accepted that the ends justify the means with whatever goal you desire.

In their eyes, if Obama and Intelligence agencies illegally spied and tried to stop Trump, they wouldn't even care. In fact they probably enjoy the abuse of government.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
Osodecentx
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I wish you people would distinguish between the "intelligence community" and individuals within the intelligence community.

Y'all remind me of what Black Lives Matter is trying to do to police, i.e police are all bad, none can't be trusted, etc.

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Telling the truth or not seems to me to be situational. When you consider the shady operations they have to conduct to get what they need or want, not telling the truth is a given, a tool to be used. I think you are naive to believe otherwise regardless of politics that might be involved or what "party" put them in place.

I think the average person on the street has little option but to just listen to what they have to say and draw their own conclusion bearing in mind that what we hear in public may or may not be what is said in confidence internally. It just depends on the narrative they want to use for a given situation.

It is not unheard of police or public officials floating a public narrative that is far from the truth in order to smoke out perpetrators of crime.

I suspect what most people do is to believe the things they want to be true and disbelieve the things they don't want to be true. Just like they hear from their politicians....even their "own".

Bottom line....I think lying is one of the tools used to get closer to where they want to end up. There may have been a time when these organizations may not have been politicized. But just like SCOTUS and the network media, those days are long gone. It is beyond pathetic that just about everything said or done by anyone or anything in this country is driven by some political agenda that in reality does not have the country's best interests in mind, just the slanted interests of one side or the other. (And as stated in a previous post, you have to consider the difference between the organization and the individual....their motives are not always the same.)
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cinque said:

corncob pipe said:


Did he mention at whose direction the IC lied about Iraq?
Well, of course not, but there's more to it than that.

The intelligence community wasn't trying to deceive anyone about Iraq and WMD. The intelligence community was DIVIDED about Iraq and WMD. People like Cheney and others in the war camp cherry-picked the intelligence that supported their position and suppressed the rest. You could make a case that they were liars, and so was the CIA director who told W that it was a "slam dunk." But that was NOT by a long shot the consensus of the intelligence community. In the case of Russian attempts to interfere, the consensus is unanimous -- 17 out of 17 different agencies.
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Osodecentx said:

I wish you people would distinguish between the "intelligence community" and individuals within the intelligence community.

Y'all remind me of what Black Lives Matter is trying to do to police, i.e police are all bad, none can't be trusted, etc.


Ok. The elitist upper echelon in control of the intelligence community has a history littered with abuses of power and politics.

We're not talking about your middle of the pack FBI agent.

We're talking Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, Mueller, Rosenstein, Comey, Clapper etc.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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blackie said:

... It is beyond pathetic that just about everything said or done by anyone or anything in this country is driven by some political agenda that in reality does not have the country's best interests in mind, just the slanted interests of one side or the other. ...
That may be true of everyone except Strzok! He would never let his personal bias impact his investigations.
quash
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Doc Holliday said:



Ok. So?

And don't post that clusterfk chart again.
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
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Florda_mike
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Doc Holliday said:


quash
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Florda_mike said:

Doc Holliday said:



“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Doc Holliday
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quash said:

Doc Holliday said:



Ok. So?

And don't post that clusterfk chart again.
It's a conflict of interest.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
Florda_mike
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Why didn't those in charge during this Russian invasion do something about it in 2016?

Who was that?

Oh, it was Obama, Brennan, Clapper and Comey! Should we be investigating them?

Obama said there was no evidence of Russian tampering with our election and no votes were changed as that would be impossible.
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Osodecentx said:

ValhallaBear said:

Interesting

Did the moderators not honor your request to have your account permanently deleted because your life was in danger from an internet troll?

Or do you feel safe now?
Jinx 2 isn't Jinx


How do you know?
Florda_mike
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Doc Holliday said:




^^^ perhaps this needs repeated?

Have any anti Trumps commented on this yet
quash
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Florda_mike said:

Doc Holliday said:




^^^ perhaps this needs repeated?

Have any anti Trumps commented on this yet
“Life, liberty, and property do not exist because men have made laws. On the contrary, it was the fact that life, liberty, and property existed beforehand that caused men to make laws in the first place.” (The Law, p.6) Frederic Bastiat
Doc Holliday
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If you don't automatically accept the imprecise, non specific, never fully explained finding of shadowy intelligence agencies that have long track records of making serious mistakes, you've betrayed your country. They must be believed without question, or else.

Think about that.
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." ~ John Adams
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