. . . and the hits just keep on a comin'.

Doesn't it make you feel great about making gifts and donations to dear old Baylor? Just how many millions have been spent on lawyers, pr firms, victim payoffs and cover-ups by that bunch?

Makes me sick? Can we see some resignations, please? Does this never end?

The link within the Deadspin article to PR Weekly is where the detail is. Sad.

They infiltrate every group on campus. This was happening 20 years ago. They also encouraged snitching by students on other students.
I would have bet good money that every social event on campus has Baylor watching.

I m surprised it is a big deal. Baylor wouldn't pass up vigils. Find out the leaders and their thoughts.

Sounds like something RR would do.

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Sounds like something RR would do.

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Funny, this has been going on at least since Galloway was chairman of the regents and now he is BRL (Briles Last Resort).
It was common knowledge that Baylor might show up at parties or send snitches to join in the fun.

It's catchy language but if you don't think state schools do worse things, you're naive about what happens at a university.

"placing a mole," ***** please, all they had to do was go to a group member and ask what happened.

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It's catchy language but if you don't think state schools do worse things, you're naive about what happens at a university.

"placing a mole," ***** please, all they had to do was go to a group member and ask what happened.

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Who didn't know Baylor had it's folks inside groups and organizations? Snitching was encouraged. You would expect Baylor to know public details.

Nothing like faux liberal outrage on a Tuesday Morning.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/free-speech-in-the-courtroom-top-5-campus-lawsuits-of-2017

Read the article before spouting off opinions.

It comes down to the fact that he either tried minimizing and influencing the groups language used in response to the sexual abuse on campus in favor of the university, or he was just there as a kind soul helping and facilitating logistics on behalf of Baylor. .

There will be paper trails and witnesses if he was their with orders to influence and do anything more than help with logistics. From the article, at least two have come forward:

"Burchett also tried to shape the group's public statements, encouraged it not to say Baylor "failed" the survivors or Baylor "failed" to create a safe environment, two sources said. When the group was preparing to send a letter to Starr, Burchett suggested edits."

Bottom line. Depositions have been taken. The truth will come out. Let's see. If it was just help with logistics. Nothing to see and shouldn't be used against the leadership. If it wasn't.... I hope the typical shills have enough self respect left to avoid trying to spin this into being acceptable. Do I think our failed leaders were desperate enough to do this...history says yes. But that's just my opinion. Let's wait and see.

With all of the ugly headlines we have endured the last two years this is one of the uglier ones.

Most of my non-Baylor friends have BU scandal fatigue and don't really ever bring it up to me anymore thankfully. But when Deadspin ran this yesterday it got texted back to me several times.

I hope this whole saga continues to get cracked open and the light of day shines down on all who contributed to this.

I no longer send any donations to BU and have told both of my sons that they should not consider going there unless some big changes are made in the future. I hate that because I've been a proud Baylor alum for so long and they would be 3rd generation Baylor Bears if they attended....but I can't get myself to let it happen right now.

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With all of the ugly headlines we have endured last two years this is one of the uglier ones.

Most of my non-Baylor friends have BU scandal fatigue and don't really ever bring it up to me anymore thankfully. But when Deadspin ran this yesterday it got texted back to me several times.

I hope this whole saga continues to get cracked open and the light of day shines down on all who contributed to this.

I no longer send any donations to BU and have told both of my sons that they should not consider going there unless some big changes are made in the future. I hate that because I've been a proud Baylor alum for so long and they would be 3rd generation Baylor Bears if they attended....but I can't get myself to let it happen right now.

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Most of my non Baylor friends consider Baylor as "mission accomplished". Meaning the football team is no longer beating my team and it doesn't appear to be able to do so any time soon so I no longer care.

The only care for most was only to destroy our football program so theirs can be good again.

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With all of the ugly headlines we have endured last two years this is one of the uglier ones.

Most of my non-Baylor friends have BU scandal fatigue and don't really ever bring it up to me anymore thankfully. But when Deadspin ran this yesterday it got texted back to me several times.

I hope this whole saga continues to get cracked open and the light of day shines down on all who contributed to this.

I no longer send any donations to BU and have told both of my sons that they should not consider going there unless some big changes are made in the future. I hate that because I've been a proud Baylor alum for so long and they would be 3rd generation Baylor Bears if they attended....but I can't get myself to let it happen right now.

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The saddest part. This fatigue didn't have to heppen. And this is what the shills will never admit. Had the BoR truly loved Baylor and are serving on behalf of that love...not self preservation, ego, hubris, and damage control, all they had to do was release a statement:

"It is with great love and admiration for the uninsersity that we are stepping down in an effort to let the university heal and move forward. While we firmly state we've done nothing wrong, we acknowledge the overwhelming public perception of conflict of interests and the impossibility of the university to move forward without all future actions, disclosures, and the universities reputation to be questioned accordingly. Our beloved university is bigger than us as individuals, and we should not stand in the way of anything allowing it to move forward. We are engaging an outside panel to form a search committee who will find more than qualified options, the transition will take place in an organized manner over a period of the next 12 months to ensure organizational and systematic transitions are competed without undue rush."

I don't care that they would very likely ensure new members were picked to continue to protect them..the public perception alone would have ensured the university and it's alumni healed quicker and had given us all cover.

Did you guys go to school at Mary Hardin Baylor or Baylor in Waco? There's a difference.
Did you guys not know Baylor would be involved in every on campus event? I don't know how you kept Baylor out of those things. It was common knowledge that Baylor would be all over campus events and off campus social gatherings.
Did something change and people forget they did those things? I have heard they did more than just show up at events and they took active steps to slow down certain activities in groups. Baylor is a private school.

Don't think for a minute other schools don't do similar things (maybe without the Baptist flair).

Let's hope Baylor doesn't get ideas from Abilene Christian alumni and fans at the Saturday night tailgates.

"The PR strategy by Baylor to misdirect attention away from university-wide failures is highly important in showing they engaged in a concerted strategy to get the public to believe this is entirely and only a football-related problem," said Jim Dunnam...

No Jim. You making this comment is "highly important" in showing that YOU are engaged in a "concerted strategy," trying to get the public to believe Baylor chose to make this a football-only problem.

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Did you guys go to school at Mary Hardin Baylor or Baylor in Waco? There's a difference.
Did you guys not know Baylor would be involved in every on campus event? I don't know how you kept Baylor out of those things. It was common knowledge that Baylor would be all over campus events and off campus social gatherings.
Did something change and people forget they did those things? I have heard they did more than just show up at events and they took active steps to slow down certain activities in groups. Baylor is a private school.

Don't think for a minute other schools don't do similar things (maybe without the Baptist flair).

Let's hope Baylor doesn't get ideas from Abilene Christian alumni and fans at the Saturday night tailgates.

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Good lord X. How tone deaf are you? Showing up at fraternity parties, social events, **** shaming girls who had Premarital sex etc was the norm. Everyone knew it was coming. Yes. (That didn't make it ok).

That's not what this is about. This article claims that During the epic unraveling of the biggest scandal in school history that centered around our universities failed handling of sexual assault claims, the leaders thought it would be a great idea to have someone inform and meddle inside those very groups claiming mishandling on behalf of those leaders.

I've already said there's nothing to see if all he did is coordinate logistics for those events on behalf of Baylor...if that's not all he did, how can you be any more tone deaf? Depositions have been taken and witnesses have been interviewed. But if true, this is exactly what our BoR is counting on...such numb fatigue that even this falls under the category of "what's the big deal? nothing to see here". Even you're better than that.

Is it possible they infiltrated Noze events while wearing some clever disguise?

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xiledinok said:

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Did you guys go to school at Mary Hardin Baylor or Baylor in Waco? There's a difference.
Did you guys not know Baylor would be involved in every on campus event? I don't know how you kept Baylor out of those things. It was common knowledge that Baylor would be all over campus events and off campus social gatherings.
Did something change and people forget they did those things? I have heard they did more than just show up at events and they took active steps to slow down certain activities in groups. Baylor is a private school.

Don't think for a minute other schools don't do similar things (maybe without the Baptist flair).

Let's hope Baylor doesn't get ideas from Abilene Christian alumni and fans at the Saturday night tailgates.

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Good lord X. How tone deaf are you? Showing up at fraternity parties, social events, **** shaming girls who had Premarital sex etc was the norm. Everyone knew it was coming. Yes. (That didn't make it ok).

That's not what this is about. This article claims that During the epic unraveling of the biggest scandal in school history that centered around our universities failed handling of sexual assault claims, the leaders thought it would be a great idea to have someone inform and meddle inside those very groups claiming mishandling on behalf of those leaders.

I've already said there's nothing to see if all he did is coordinate logistics for those events on behalf of Baylor...if that's not all he did, how can you be any more tone deaf? Depositions have been taken and witnesses have been interviewed. But if true, this is exactly what our BoR is counting on...such numb fatigue that even this falls under the category of "what's the big deal? nothing to see here". Even you're better than that.

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They have been watching Baylor events off and on campus for years. It's not a big deal outside of Waco and those who attended Baylor would have expected them to be around things.

It's not tone deaf if you it was already known by at least 50 percent of the people who attended Baylor. It doesn't shock anyone.
The regents should count on it as being numb fatigue because it is numb fatigue that moves no one who has been there over the past 30 years. We assumed the school was watching us.
Did the football team not understand it because they seemed pretty wise to that fact 20 years ago? Heck, the stories I heard off the board today was enough to make me realize, I wasn't the only one to know Baylor watched things inside and out.

"When we get involved in any client engagement, we need to feel confident that we receive information in a timely and consistent manner, and in this case we reached a point when we believed that Baylor would be better served by another firm," said a Ketchum spokesperson. "Therefore, we resigned the business on October 3, 2016."

Just thought I'd post this for those who claim the BOR came clean with the FOF. Ketchum is saying they basically fired Baylor as a client becasue they were still lying. Long after May 2016.

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"When we get involved in any client engagement, we need to feel confident that we receive information in a timely and consistent manner, and in this case we reached a point when we believed that Baylor would be better served by another firm," said a Ketchum spokesperson. "Therefore, we resigned the business on October 3, 2016."

Just thought I'd post this for those who claim the BOR came clean with the FOF. Ketchum is saying they basically fired Baylor as a client becasue they were still lying. Long after May 2016.

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Or they weren't big enough to place the information where it needed to go. It looked like the replacement squad knew how to handle things. Kings and Queens from Europe read about our program and school in October 2016.

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"When we get involved in any client engagement, we need to feel confident that we receive information in a timely and consistent manner, and in this case we reached a point when we believed that Baylor would be better served by another firm," said a Ketchum spokesperson. "Therefore, we resigned the business on October 3, 2016."

Just thought I'd post this for those who claim the BOR came clean with the FOF. Ketchum is saying they basically fired Baylor as a client becasue they were still lying. Long after May 2016.

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And Bunting was hired shortly thereafter, as the Friday afternoon WSJ massacre occurred on October 28, 2016.

Noticed they slipped that 52 number out there again. 52 in 4 years.

Meaning over half our scholarship players during that time were accused of rape.

That is crap, the people writing it know it, they just wanting to make money.

xiledinok said:

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They infiltrate every group on campus. This was happening 20 years ago. They also encouraged snitching by students on other students.
I would have bet good money that every social event on campus has Baylor watching.

I m surprised it is a big deal. Baylor wouldn't pass up vigils. Find out the leaders and their thoughts.

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That's why we've gone as far as Comanche and Proctor lake to party. It's off the ****ing grid.

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Noticed they slipped that 52 number out there again. 52 in 4 years.

Meaning over half our scholarship players during that time were accused of rape.

That is crap, the people writing it know it, they just wanting to make money.

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This is what is so hurtful
To have a lot of good guys who are doing everything the right way get stained by this and BOR never came out and defended those boys

boognish_bear said:

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With all of the ugly headlines we have endured the last two years this is one of the uglier ones.

Most of my non-Baylor friends have BU scandal fatigue and don't really ever bring it up to me anymore thankfully. But when Deadspin ran this yesterday it got texted back to me several times.

I hope this whole saga continues to get cracked open and the light of day shines down on all who contributed to this.

I no longer send any donations to BU and have told both of my sons that they should not consider going there unless some big changes are made in the future. I hate that because I've been a proud Baylor alum for so long and they would be 3rd generation Baylor Bears if they attended....but I can't get myself to let it happen right now.

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Wow. Let's just throw out the baby with the bath water.

xiledinok said:

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Did you guys go to school at Mary Hardin Baylor or Baylor in Waco? There's a difference.
Did you guys not know Baylor would be involved in every on campus event? I don't know how you kept Baylor out of those things. It was common knowledge that Baylor would be all over campus events and off campus social gatherings.

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The only thing they weren't involved in is the broken, nearly non-existent Title IX process in regards to campus security, other than to sweep it under the rug later blame it on a football coach.

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xiledinok said:

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Did you guys go to school at Mary Hardin Baylor or Baylor in Waco? There's a difference.
Did you guys not know Baylor would be involved in every on campus event? I don't know how you kept Baylor out of those things. It was common knowledge that Baylor would be all over campus events and off campus social gatherings.

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The only thing they weren't involved in is the broken, nearly non-existent Title IX process in regards to campus security, other than to sweep it under the rug later blame it on a football coach.

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Starr was the reason for zero Title IX. It helps that the athletic department was covering for people. Ian's 25 percent are higher than any frat or sorority number and there's a good chance that the greeks numbers were combined less than 20 percent.
Oh, I know you believe Art did nothing wrong. I would hate the entire truth to come out. Probation, no bowls and of course show cause hearings for all involved.

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xiledinok said:

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They infiltrate every group on campus. This was happening 20 years ago. They also encouraged snitching by students on other students.
I would have bet good money that every social event on campus has Baylor watching.

I m surprised it is a big deal. Baylor wouldn't pass up vigils. Find out the leaders and their thoughts.

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That's why we've gone as far as Comanche and Proctor lake to party. It's off the ****ing grid.

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You used good old common sense and probably knew to be careful the first or second day of welcome week or you knew from people that had gone to Baylor before that told you they'd be watching.

xiledinok said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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xiledinok said:

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Did you guys go to school at Mary Hardin Baylor or Baylor in Waco? There's a difference.
Did you guys not know Baylor would be involved in every on campus event? I don't know how you kept Baylor out of those things. It was common knowledge that Baylor would be all over campus events and off campus social gatherings.

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The only thing they weren't involved in is the broken, nearly non-existent Title IX process in regards to campus security, other than to sweep it under the rug later blame it on a football coach.

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Starr was the reason for zero Title IX. It helps that the athletic department was covering for people. Ian's 25 percent are higher than any frat or sorority number and there's a good chance that the greeks numbers were combined less than 20 percent.
Oh, I know you believe Art did nothing wrong. I would hate the entire truth to come out. Probation, no bowls and of course show cause hearings for all involved.

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Well who is stopping the whole truth from coming out? And where are they hiding

xiledinok said:

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GoldMind said:

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xiledinok said:

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They infiltrate every group on campus. This was happening 20 years ago. They also encouraged snitching by students on other students.
I would have bet good money that every social event on campus has Baylor watching.

I m surprised it is a big deal. Baylor wouldn't pass up vigils. Find out the leaders and their thoughts.

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That's why we've gone as far as Comanche and Proctor lake to party. It's off the ****ing grid.

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You used good old common sense and probably knew to be careful the first or second day of welcome week or you knew from people that had gone to Baylor before that told you they'd be watching.

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They forced this type of behavior. We were forced to operate like Yakuzas for most of my time there. Baylor generally hates freedom, and thus fun. Treats students like children.

xiledinok said:

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Dia del DougO said:

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xiledinok said:

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Did you guys go to school at Mary Hardin Baylor or Baylor in Waco? There's a difference.
Did you guys not know Baylor would be involved in every on campus event? I don't know how you kept Baylor out of those things. It was common knowledge that Baylor would be all over campus events and off campus social gatherings.

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The only thing they weren't involved in is the broken, nearly non-existent Title IX process in regards to campus security, other than to sweep it under the rug later blame it on a football coach.

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Starr was the reason for zero Title IX. It helps that the athletic department was covering for people. Ian's 25 percent are higher than any frat or sorority number and there's a good chance that the greeks numbers were combined less than 20 percent.
Oh, I know you believe Art did nothing wrong. I would hate the entire truth to come out. Probation, no bowls and of course show cause hearings for all involved.

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Reagan Ramsower

Dr. Reagan Ramsower is responsible for the operations of the administrative and financial divisions at Baylor University. The following offices report to the Senior Vice President for Operations & Chief Financial Officer:

Campus Safety & Security

https://www.baylor.edu/graduate/index.php?id=867206

I'll say this much for Jersey: the fact he and his staff have been able to recruit at a reasonably high level with all the media sideshows is pretty damn impressive.

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xiledinok said:

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GoldMind said:

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xiledinok said:

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They infiltrate every group on campus. This was happening 20 years ago. They also encouraged snitching by students on other students.
I would have bet good money that every social event on campus has Baylor watching.

I m surprised it is a big deal. Baylor wouldn't pass up vigils. Find out the leaders and their thoughts.

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That's why we've gone as far as Comanche and Proctor lake to party. It's off the ****ing grid.

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You used good old common sense and probably knew to be careful the first or second day of welcome week or you knew from people that had gone to Baylor before that told you they'd be watching.

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They forced this type of behavior. We were forced to operate like Yakuzas for most of my time there. Baylor generally hates freedom, and thus fun. Treats students like children.

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I remember back in the day Baylor had the Gestapo busting up off campus parties
One frat had a thing called The Biggest Party Baylor Never Saw. You had to follow daily clues to find the location. It was out in the country somewhere. Great party!

xiledinok said:

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Did you guys go to school at Mary Hardin Baylor or Baylor in Waco? There's a difference.
Did you guys not know Baylor would be involved in every on campus event? I don't know how you kept Baylor out of those things. It was common knowledge that Baylor would be all over campus events and off campus social gatherings.

Well that is an interesting thing, if they were at everything, including off campus social gatherings, and there was supposed to be 52 assaults in 4 years, they had to have been present at some of those "events".

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I'll say this much for Jersey: the fact he and his staff have been able to recruit at a reasonably high level with all the media sideshows is pretty damn impressive.

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Yes, it is.