GolemIII said:BrooksBearLives said:GolemIII said:I'm committed to facts. You don't appear to have a good relationship with those.BrooksBearLives said:GolemIII said:You certainly don't think. No. Trump didn't remove the record, and hand written notes by an interpreter aren't "the record" any more than had a dozen people been in the room taking handwritten notes would have been 12 records, inviolable and required to archive. If you want an example you might be able to understand, ask yourself how an FBI 302 is an official record and not their handwritten notes. There is indeed a record of the meeting and the president decides how that record is presented...and classified.BrooksBearLives said:GolemIII said:BrooksBearLives said:I get that you like to call names. I'm sure that makes your mom proud.GolemIII said:BrooksBearLives said:Wait. You're saying he stole these notes because he couldn't trust his own National Security team from leaks?GolemIII said:Is it customary for presidents to have phone conversations to other world leaders leaked to the press?tommie said:
Is it customary for presidents to keep their national security team in the dark on meetings? To have the meeting notes in effect erased?
That's what you're saying?
He didn't steal anything. He controlled the meeting. You don't understand how broadly information can be disseminated because you're a moron.
On topic, however, he DID personally take the interpreter's notes. That's not usual. He "controlled" the information in the same way Bernie Madoff "controlled" his investor's money.
In either case, I can see someone wanting to limit exposure. But hiding that information from his own staff? Putin wasn't doing that. You're only screwing over the American people. This wasn't HIS information, it was the United State Citizen's that he represents.
I thought you were conservative?
You are so delusional it's a bit like talking to a schizophrenic. The president has Article II Plenary power as the Commander in Chief. This means the president is responsible for making the ultimate and final determination of who knows what. Always. He can classify or declassify anything in virtually any way he likes. He can take notes or not take them. His choices with regard to how to or whether to record data about meetings are his choice alone and nothing he does can ever be considered 'stealing' or 'hiding'. How he compartments his information is up to him. And it is his information, which he controls.
This applies to all presidents of all parties. You shouldn't speak about what you don't understand.
No. with respect, I don't think you know what you're talking about. The President has the right to classify/de-classify. But that's not what he's doing.
He's deleting/removing all record. THAT is not in his power. Ask Nixon. At the end of the day, that all belongs to the people.
Specifically: http://www.phschool.com/curriculum_support/interactive_constitution/scc/scc41.htm
Again, you shouldn't speak about things you don't understand.
[eye roll] you're committing to the idea that this is the President's attempt to supposedly limit leaking -which, if you can't trust your own security apparatuses, is troubling on a whole other level. That doesn't hold water, however, when one realizes that the Russians have record of it. They likely have recordings -and Putin isn't shielding it from his staff- so, once again, why would the President just handicap his own administration this way? He's demonstrated time and again that he's not a wonk and not a deep diver into issues. So, he needs the help.
And that's beyond the issue that hiding your communication with a foreign leader with whom you've been accused -with credibility- of collusion. At BEST it's incredibly irresponsible and concerning. THIS is what a guilty person does.
Ad hominem ad hominem ad hominem.
Almost substance.
Yes. Your posts about Trump are indeed all delusional ad hominem attacks.
